Infinite Points without Endless Mode (Balatro Optimized)

[@deassssssss]

I think I’ve decided I want to major in Balatro science. I took the basic balatronomics courses, and while they’re important, I don’t think that’s the career path for me 👍

[@drspectred]

I think more than half of college students change their major at least once, on average. And that's in addition to career changes after college. I started out in an engineering major before switching to pure mathematics. I thought my whole life I liked teaching, but the actual job, as a whole, was way more stressful than I could sustain. The important thing to keep in mind is that none of that time was wasted. You can't know you don't like things unless you spend time trying them. Checking another thing off the list is time well spent.

[@PotofGlue]

⁠​⁠you truly never know which comments will bring out some sincerity

[@shenn.]

I didn't expect to have my past college/uni life acknowledged and subsequently healed in the KZbin comments today, but here we are. Thank you, BU.

[@KaileeMix]

Balatrology was the best 4 years of college I experienced. Jokerism was a complicated topic to understand but nonetheless it was fun.

[@peterbiskup]

@@drspectred Which engineering? I'm guessing computer

[@kamilbidzinski475]

@39:21 "We'll go immolate here, and then we'll go ectoplasm and it lands on the brainstorm instead of the showman because we swapped our boots around" What a string of words, a truly brand new sentence

[@SerjeTheRobot]

Ghostbusters reboot be like:

[@mihailmilev9909]

Beutiful.

[@mihailmilev9909]

Beautiful

[@mihailmilev9909]

9:45

[@mihailmilev9909]

1:23:42

[@rkidy]

Drinking game: take a shot every time he says “it ends up not mattering”

[@drspectred]

rest in peace in less than 20 minutes

[@thiccycheeser69]

i did it. it ends up not mattering

[@bubrub23]

We know who is in a fraternity at Balatro U now

[@aliumhoomens8467]

Dead at 13 mins

[@tundcwe123]

For other videos, take a shot every time he gets away with this

[@w5ildhero]

Just when I thought he couldn't keep getting away with it, he keeps getting away with it even HARDER

[@TriggerHappy-mo3fr]

Never think he cant keep getting away with it

[@Wudjja]

Drspectred's Law of Luck The more the people think he can't get away with it, The harder HE can get away with it. Balatro University Advanced

[@lilaccreeper2005]

Selling bootstraps to buy bootstraps is something i would of never considered in order to change ectoplasm

[@eloquitodelcentro]

22:48 Hands 3 Discards 3 Income $333 Ante 3

[@jerecakes1]

round 3×3

[@lynharwood6194]

Time 3:33

[@lynharwood6194]

Not video time

[@lucaspedrazlopez4908]

So this is the seeded run that was responsible for Balatro University's recent lack of sleep! I hope you are taking care of yourself after this huge accomplishment

[@liam_iam]

the amount of time and attention to detail that it must have taken to route this and recreate it all here is absolutely insane

[@rkidy]

On average, a single 1.5x will add 0.17 to the exponent (the bit after e). To get to e308, you’d need ~1750 1.5x triggers. With 6 effective barons, each red steel king adds 1.5x mult 14 (2 triggers of 1 steel trigger and 6 baron triggers) times. This means you’d need at least 125 (1750/15) red steel kings with 6 barons to get naneinf score, which would require 62 cryptids. You had 59 cryptids in the big blind before the final round, so you were 3 cryptids off getting infinite score before the final boss. To cover all bases: the initial mult from the high card corresponds to ~8 triggers of 1.5x mult which is less than a single red steel king, so that doesn’t really make a difference.

[@madhavraghu]

This is super nitpicky, but from what I calculated, I believe you actually need around 60.9 cryptids, so you would need 61. I tried to plug in every possible factor, including the starting chips and mult and the fact that you have an extra non-red-seal steel card in hand. But there are a lot of factors, so my calculation might be a bit off.

[@rkidy]

@@madhavraghu I did a lot of rounding up during my calculations to make them simpler and didn’t account for base chips or mult so I’m definitely convinced 61 could do it, so he was only 2 off. Maybe the professor will end up dropping “infinite score before the final boss” in the future lol

[@co2_os]

People are doing science in here

[@demujo]

donnie darko meme: "i found a way to go infinite in balatro!" "is it a new seed, or banana?" "banana."

[@Baburun-Sama]

Gros Michel and Cavendish

[@ilonachan]

I just realized Balatro Set-Seed puzzle routing is the perfect application for Progressive Visual Analytics! There should be an interactive analysis tool that for each round displays the entire upcoming queue for everything, lets you change parameters like vouchers that change the queue probabilities, and importantly has some kind of timeline view where you can directly compare different approaches. This would get rid of being limited by money for exploration & having to reload saves a bunch... then again, it's just really cool that with those workarounds, all of this routing magic is still possible in the vanilla game!

[@benwang9745]

Technically a tool that could be built by the devs but it also removes the exploration of seeded runs since they would all be easily solved.

[@DoCaMakesArt]

I think i know why selling then re-buying the boot makes the ectoplasm apply to the brainstorm instead of the boot (now THAT has got to be a brand new sentence). If i remember correctly, ectoplasm has the same selection system as wheel or other cards that change a joker's edition : instead of selecting ANY random joker, it chooses between the oldest eligible and newest eligible joker. If you don't sell the boot, the oldest no-edition joker IS the boot, and the newest one is the showman. It randomly selects the oldest : the boot. If you DO sell then re-buy the boot, the ectoplasm STILL chooses the oldest no-edition joker, but selling the boot means this is now the brainstorm instead. In both cases, it chooses the oldest naked joker. I may be wrong, but i think that would make sense, and it means that any card that gives an edition to a joker always makes the same "choice" between oldest and newest NO MATTER how much you change the jokers inbetween, which means this could lead to some fun manipulation : check if a specific ectoplasm/hex/etc card chooses the oldest or newest joker, then load an earlier save to buy and sell accordingly to manipulate which joker is newest or oldest.

[@squidgypollard1561]

can't wait for when infinite point speedruns become a thing

[@kamilbidzinski475]

jokerless

[@josephrogers3666]

@@kamilbidzinski475blindfolded

[@LloydTheZephyrian]

@@josephrogers3666 while juggling

[@gamedude3005]

1:19:45 No jimbo it’s good these are fake because that’s more chips than atoms in the universe by many orders of magnitude.

[@gamedude3005]

And that’s before it becomes theoretical

[@philosophiabme]

I like that you explain the micro optimizations even at the end of the run. An extra dollar might not make a difference at that point, but those little insights are really important for the early game so you can balloon!

[@ecbrd8478]

Too bad these chips are all virtual...

[@adissentingopinion848]

More chips than there are atoms in every multiverse, with e200 to spare.

[@sklee318]

As a new Balatro player, let me just say I learned so much by watching this video. I feel like I can take on the world now!

[@night1hal1]

The Mime at the end is the ultimate punchline.

[@uncountablyinfinite3429]

This guy is a One Piece fan, plays MTG, and loves math???? Things cannot get better.

[@drspectred]

horo horo horo horo

[@co2_os]

HOOOOOOLY One Piece referenced

[@bbrainstormer2036]

I was wondering why it was called "naneinf". I knew that scientific notation using "e" was a thing, but I just hadn't put 2 and 2 together until you brought it up

[@FlameRat_YehLon]

The number that's supposed to be displayed should be inf. And my theory is that the game try to format the number by calculating the log10 of the number first, storing the result B, then divide the original number by B to get the result A, then simply display "AeB". And since the number is infinite, taking the log10 of it would result in also infinite, and divide infinite with infinite would result in NaN, thus combining the two would result in "naneinf". This bug can be fixed if the formatting algorithm check for infinity first.

[@Mysterious7352]

Surprised this seed ended up being ghost deck instead of plasma and getting cryptid with one of the spectral jokers

[@elizathegamer413]

i love balatro university theres something really cool and just, wholesome in the way he is so interested in figuring it all out n shit :)

[@elizathegamer413]

it makes me smile every time he goes on a tanget about something interesting in the source code, like when he talks about the queues and such

[@eronkwok7828]

For those who are wondering, if the counter is capable to display the score, it should be around 5.44e320, but unfortunately it’s greater than 1.78e308, which is the 1024-bit integer limit, that’s why it can only show ‘naneinf’ as it’s too big for it to handle.

[@angelcaru]

The score isn't a 1024-bit int, it's a float

[@emeraldnickel]

Now we’ve got naneinf before/as we’re winning, the new record to make is “earliest naneinf”. Good luck balatro ballers

[@pkfire5248]

what do you think the earlier possible ante to get infinity is?

[@ortnick]

Probably 4 or 5 after getting both -1 ante vouchers.

[@GamezMaestro]

Great vid! Do you think anyone will ever be able to do an infinite points run in non-endless mode without using Perkeo? It seems impossible to me but curious on your thoughts

[@gkhiemle17]

Thank you for the R key! It blows my mind when I know it.

[@RipcoreTheReaper]

I do love the “you know if you sell this here and buy this here, and then buying that back, it procs on the correct thing.” It’s like ah yes me in my normal run can see the future. Crazy how nitpicky rogulites can be, I love it so much

[@RipcoreTheReaper]

Although it does teach you to take small packs first, and to watch your rerolls, how to manage tarot cards, how to manage money, what specifically to look for. I love tf outta this game honestly

[@ALynn127]

Something as simple as putting a buffoon pack at the start is going to make my runs so much easier

[@david-fp6tp]

BU says this in another video, but starting buffoon pack is a trap. Since you can easily win ante 1 with no jokers, better to save money for interest.

[@Notanegg.]

​@@david-fp6tpcan you do that on gold stake though

[@markhdhu1320]

​@@david-fp6tpnot if u skip first 1 or 2 rounds for some tags

[@ALynn127]

@@david-fp6tp Most of the time, i'll reset until i get a free shop tag so this doesn't really apply

[@alphabitserial]

This seed has been very interesting to see studied!

[@jjjoker5766]

at around 34:15 you show that the judgment gives showman, could you not have saved money by not rerolling the shop and buying showman, but instead using judgment the next round?

[@drspectred]

Yes!

[@DamTay_13]

@@drspectredat 17:16 i got a devil then a saturn???

[@_Guigui]

feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the 1.0.1 buffoon pack on first shop only for random runs?

[@stupxd]

The runs act the same way seeded as unseeded. This run was not recorded on 1.0.1 as it breaks all old seeds (shops and soul change)

[@AaronT049]

I tried the seed and it gave brainstorm out of the first buffoon pack and no invisible joker idk whats up

[@drspectred]

I don't have Hit the Road unlocked. I explain it the last time I did this seed

[@AaronT049]

@@drspectred that makes sense yeah I don’t have it but it ended up working I got a blueprint around the same time as the invisible joker so it ended up being basically the same

[@wickedsamurai3323]

That’s insane. What a run

[@drgoku282]

I've had a lot of fun with this seed, I managed to get infinity with the pluto copy and did it just in time in ante 39.

[@sethchapman1425]

Still unlocking jokers. I can't do this yet.

[@DiggOlive]

any naneinfers?

[@NotSoAnonymousSoldier]

bro went through 1k shops in one round and NEVER saw a mime or even a blueprint

[@BrentonSheagley]

17:37 my shop has another egg and a Jupiter instead of the immolate. Anybody know why?

[@Megidolaon999]

Same problem

[@disbled]

the ultimate getting away with it

[@freaki0734]

my theory is that this record is going to be held by the plasma deck like all others halving the sum of chips and mult and then taking it to ^2 is just pretty insane you would of course need a godlike seed for the spectral cards but I think that is going to be the way

[@14프로지망]

In plasma its too hard to get the immolates and a cryptid early. You would have to get senace or sixth sence super early and go for the gamble WHILE also finding all the perkeo copies. It is probably still possible and you might reach naneinf before the final boss but the routing required for this would take years.

[@donnovanash2334]

For another variant of inf score, do a bull + bootstrap run with the infinite money exploit

[@LordTreyHowdy]

I for one enjoy watching you cook.

[@DJchoppa666]

what. this guy is crazy

[@LordTreyHowdy]

I like the part at 24:40 where you pause to look longingly at Michel and then roll on past.

[@gabrielscoccola5960]

Great video, love the explanation you give about every step of the run. How much earlier do you think it would be possible to get infinite score?

[@Expelsword]

My Sixth Sense tells me that infinite scores would be faster on the Plasma Deck, but even trickier to set up.

[@mrsnufflegums]

I would love to see you, as a special thing in the not super far but not super near future, go for the world record score, if possible. But like it's a lot of time so I totally get why you might not want to

[@JoeTheis]

Does playing facedown cards and reloading only work on seeded runs? Or does it work unseeded as well?

[@vulcaniel9348]

In theory, is there a build that allow us to get nameinf score consistently every round on endless without relyikng on cryptids?

[@Expelsword]

If you set up the Perkeo infinite Fool loop (discussed in a previous video) you could get an infinite number of Jokers, although I doubt the game would handle that very well, and it would take extremely long.

[@thetechnovoid]

its been four months so you probably know but i think perkeo observatory or chicot hands but both work as non cryptid nane-infs (also easier on plasma)

[@blondiebear42]

Balatromized

[@Sleeepy.]

55:00 made me giggle

[@Snowjob109]

Is there a correct order for baron and mime? Does it matter?

[@lukeanator5619]

how do you make a copy/backup of the save file?

[@jameshulsemorgan]

When you sell the invisible joker you mention that it would be better if it copied the brainstorm. If you switch the position of perkeo and brainstorm it will copy brainstorm, when I've done seeded runs Invisible seems to work off position not joker.

[@harrisoneaton293]

In ante 2 I keep getting Saturn in the shop with the devil card instead of an immolate. Tried a couple times. Reasons why maybe it’s not working 1. I don’t have hit the road unlocked I get brainstorm in stead in the first pack and then blueprint when you get brainstorm. Negative applies to the blueprint. So now for the rest of the run up to this point I have more copies of whatever card is in my consumable slot. All of this feels irrelevant. Only difference in my run is that Saturn card in place of the immolate. Alternatively I tried selling my first brainstorm at the same point you sold your hit the road. The only difference I’m my run up until the Saturn card was I had a couple extra dollars. 2. I am playing in switch. Unsure how this affects the seed Let me know if anyone else is having the same issue

[@Dodringo64]

I'm also on Switch having the same issue. Looks like seeds just work slightly differently depending on the console.

[@snowman2395]

Cant wait for inf score on gold stake!

[@ChiriVulpes]

How does Invisible Joker choose which Joker to become a copy of? Do we know how that randomisation works?

[@ChiriVulpes]

With the ectoplasm randomisation explanation at 36:00, one potential way it could be working (and the way I'd do it) is: purchased_cards[floor(random_float() * purchased_cards.length)] (IE, where the order of the jokers list is the purchase order instead of the order of them at time of random choice)

[@ChiriVulpes]

Oh, and interesting, you mentioning that the Wheel would apply to your Brainstorm at 37:10 makes me think that the random numbers for the "random joker" choice is a shared queue, which could mean it's possible to manipulate targeting by, for example, using a Wheel first to take one joker out of the list. From there the algorithm could work one of two ways, it could be choosing a random joker in a _filtered_ purchase order list, or (assuming you have any joker that it could apply to) it could repeatedly choose a joker from the available until it finds one that is applicable. But in general, if it is choosing based on just indexing the purchased jokers list with a float, simply purchasing additional jokers could cause Invisible Joker at the start here to apply to the Brainstorm instead of the Perkeo, depending on the specific random number used for that choice.

[@eaglgenes101]

Can you theorycraft a run with the earliest possible naneinf score?

[@jakefromstatefarm6969]

It could be big blind of ante 1, after heiroglyph and petroglyph. Cuz it takes 7 rounds of perkeo+bp+bs with overstock to copy all the tarot cards, plus the 1 original round before you get any jokers. So during the 8th round you can do the infinite money glitch and if you also got bootstraps and bull you can theoretically go infinite, but it'll take forever. I guess if you want to go even further into absurdity you can just assume that every time you use emperor it will give fool and temperance, and if that's the case you don't need perkeo and you can get naneinf in ante 0, but that's taking it to another level of unlikely.

[@thecarpetcentral5813]

I was attempting this and I forgot to move perkeo once so was so close

[@borawserboxer]

You can hold R to restart?!

[@salomonnoam6288]

I'm playing on playstation and the seed does not contain the exact same jokers???

[@hitbox_91]

How many Jokers are unlocked?

[@eddedeswe]

Got brainstorm instead of the rare in the beginning since i dont have the other one unlocked and the first brainstorm instead was a blueprint, tried to follow u after but a bit different (prob could be played way better) but got the inf score in round 28 :) Was fun to improvise 0.1% and not copy you 100%

[@ortnick]

Im surprised you can do it without mime. The run can definitely be pushed farther, when I did it on my seed I was 50e over naneinf. Sooner or later I wouldn't be surprised if a ante 6 or 7 wins shows up and on my run I only got one -1 ante voucher

[@Hunter-po8jy]

22:51 3 hands 3 discards $333 ante 3

[@ThaFritz]

Wait so i keep pausing the video wondering why no mime? I have to assume it didnt show up because wouldnt 1 mine w 4 barons be the same as the 6? Or wouldnt a mime w 5 barons save you 20% of your require cryptids? Still what a beautiful seed where everything falls into place so nicely Edit: you answered it no mime at the end, LMAO right after ante 8 what a jerk that guy is

[@sharktamer]

I dunno what your stance or opinion is on using feature and quality of life mods, but I'm pretty sure there's a few that could make this routing a little easier. For example here's a quick save/load mod that may help you out. edit: I should have said you're probably aware of them already, I'm more curious about what you'd think about using them.

[@ThaFritz]

Directions unclear banana stuck in shoe please help

[@AbelShields]

5 cards in the deck to 133 is insane

[@captainsanchez6329]

This seed doesnt work anymore

[@Franklin_Johanessan]

Does discarding a royal flush unlock anything?

[@Fatpuppy33]

Brainstorm

[@logananderon9693]

Always a Perkeo.

[@honestabe4768]

If u don't have hit the road jack unlocked u get brainstorm in the 2nd shop

[@honestabe4768]

Then you get blueprint instead of brainstorm in 3rd shop

[@ayoraster2970]

wow, very impressive!

[@nicrichey2417]

Perkio in first arcana skip seed: VH34T6K7

[@donavonlist3121]

bro one more second and you woulda had a straight

[@TheWolfSharp]

Is it fun though?

[@Blastoh]

Exiting thru the menu when you mess up or when something you don't like happens is lame.

[@Glutnix]

Thumbs up for iced tea

[@theokurpierz]

Let`s gooooo

[@jessejaremka3456]

Professef balatro university. How must i become better?

[@DeetzTheGuy]

Credit card + wraith copies = unlimited monies

[@relatal]

1:10:03 should’ve made a stronger stone :(

[@ImNetheN]

cool

[@yotiroyal5686]

W

[@Newdly]

🃏

[@mihailmilev9909]

9:45

[@mihailmilev9909]

9:45 9:45

[@mihailmilev9909]

1:23:42

[@coltinshort4001]

Not trying to be rude at all but can someone explain where the fun comes in when using the same seed every time? He literally knows what is coming…

[@goosemchjank9146]

5.97E321

[@maxhenderson8894]

I crashed it

[@tariqulislamakash5749]

sick

[@idk4143]

I beat you. I got inf score in ante 3. but I changed the code to make it easy

[@Kitana___]

????????????????????????????????????????????

[@nguyenkhanhhuy2004]

T9ARC32P

[@mihailmilev9909]

9:45