Infinity Train Book 3's Tragic Ending EXPLAINED!

Infinity Train Book 3 has concluded on HBO Max with Episodes 9 & 10, The Origami Car and The New Apex and we're here to dive into the insane ending! What's the future of Amelia and Hazel on the train? How can we recover from the tragic fates of the Apex? Did Simon and Grace's stories conclude on a good note? Let's break it all down!
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[@superprincessgem1]

Simon’s number didn’t just go to his face, it went (likely) all over his body. When you see him pinned by the ghom, you see the numbers all over his leg. So him attempting to kill grace was one of the biggest number increases there ever was.

[@osmosisjones4912]

He was younger and less life experience and more impression that Grace. Buy Samantha might taught him some stuff before Grace. And after . she Tells him all the stuff you do to get your number up imagine what Amelia most have done. Hr then runs back urgently . so he knows the higher numbers are evil yet still strives for higher numbers this deliberately doing the worse things deliberately trying to be evil why kicked grace off the train after she's save him because he knows its wrong and would give him a higher number

[@SpecialInterestShow]

Well, it was less the action itself, and more about how he had solidified his stance. He went so far that he believed he'd never be able to change, and so he doubled down, and then he lost all belief in himself that he could change. And that shot his number up

[@99sins]

Simon deserves the Mangekyo Sharingan

[@zerne6334]

So like if hilter entered the train would he be lower? I mean is there a limit to how much the numbers can go up cause there sure as heck isn't a limit to how many mistakes u can make ha ha ha ha.... Now I'm just imagining hilter like "yo my numbers 999999999999999" and then Simon's like pathetic

[@boppintoad2462]

It probably didn’t help that grace just saved him from death AGAIN after multiple times, so I think that gave the number an extra boost

[@CosmicTornado1]

"Everyone can change, but not everyone wants to" Grace and Simon embody this idea to a tee. Even if Simon hadn't died, he likely wouldn't have ever wanted to change. Grace did change though, but it cost her her best friend. This season was so dark and it had heavy themes, but this one takes the cake. I don't think I have ever seen a show try this out and succeed so well

[@barringtonbailey6768]

Good bc I'm tried of all the happy go lucky bullshit

[@lyonsin2535]

Perfectly put, redemption comes from yourself and yourself only. This season was really amazing in put through the values of empathy and morals. I want to support the show as much as I can because there not alot of shows like it.

[@kaitlnwhite6809]

That’s very true in life. People grow up and grow out of some people they were once close to. Some people change and others can’t no matter how hard you try. I really like the idea of redemption arcs, but every redemption story also needs to include characters who are irredeemable and just plain bad. I think the people who were complaining that Simon died missed the point of this season and were trying to find a way for him to survive, but even if he did, how could you live with that much pain and what makes you redeemable if you’ve taken away something permanent?

[@mattiismouse1086]

Ive been saying that

[@slyfox7452]

I think its not that he didnt want to change i think its more so that he was afraid to take the jump and right as he was about to he had his support slip out from under him plunging him into dispear he didn’t deserve what happened to him at the end.

[@BasilBard]

The Origami birds were certainly a convenience/contrivance, but it felt earned since she did go out of her way to try to help them and repair them. A payoff for her growth.

[@DJKennedy90]

The train is all about having the Denizens help people as they deal with their problems. One of Grace's was that, until Tuba and Hazel, she saw them as essentially non-people. So, when she realized her mistakes, and helped the birds, her growth was rewarded. It also helps that Origami Car was right next to the Mall Car, Grace might have left the door open when she left.

[@MacrWest]

its the eagles all over again

[@theflaminglitten-fo6jd]

@@DJKennedy90 I really love the way this season handled grace, it's clear she thought she was right and wouldn't listen to people SHE deemed not people, so when hazel came along a person she thought was like her and ended up being a ''null'' she realized that their was no difference between her and the people of the train, they are not toys, they are not objects or creatures they are people that feel and live lives and she needed her worldview shattered to realize that

[@joshuasatterwhite9520]

That wasn't the only time, at the beginning she also made sure not to crush them she stepped over them while in contrast Simon stepped on then and crushed them, then later on fixed them after being freed from the tape

[@ucnguyen6375]

it is too convenience that those little birds can carry her while they cam be easily crushed

[@alfredhinton8792]

When Amelia “saved” grace, she didn’t notice her. She just got her attention at the right moment

[@vedji1857]

DraKaleel 18 I doubt that. It’s clearly the same scenario with two people that meant differently for both. To Grace, she had her life saved from the steward by a legendary being. To Amelia, she was finding more orbs to create her past with, with the steward and was just telling it to get more orbs instead of focusing on a random kid.

[@alfredhinton8792]

Vedji exactly.

[@Slipperyslab]

DraKaleel 18 this is a fanfic type of theory

[@N_Phi6]

@DraKaleel 18 Honestly I don't think Amelia gives two fucks about literally anyone that is on the train. She has only ever thought of her self and still has a lot to learn. She hasn't changed MUCH from book 1 but is trying to change I just don't think she is there yet. (also if she did care she would probably be WAY closer to getting off the train by now).

[@KalinTheZola]

@DraKaleel 18 And she made them eggs. Multiple times.

[@Darwyn4321]

I don't think the train 'beat him'. The train gives the passengers opportunities to redeem themselves, not make them worse. Sure, Grace is the one that set him on this path but after a while you gotta take responsibility for your own actions. Grace literally saved his life by pulling him back onto the train. And in that final moment he made the decision to kill her, ignoring ALL the evidence that he was wrong about everything. The train didn't beat Simon. Simon beat himself.

[@fenrisvermundr2516]

Actually he kicked her off because of what she said. "I Don't Know" It makes it sound like she was just gonna let him die. Now if she said "Because you're my friend and I care about you" that might have set him on the path of redemption.

[@99sins]

@@fenrisvermundr2516 That's an interesting take. That would mean that he might have gone on the path to redemption if Grace would have just figured out her feelings for him sooner and be more open about how much she cares for him.

[@vulbvibe]

I don’t get why y’all have to justify Simon’s actions. Grace saved his life, but because she didn’t say the right thing after she didn’t do it right? Simon was a psycho.

[@fenrisvermundr2516]

@@vulbvibe When dealing with someone who is on the brink of snapping especially if you are the reason why. You do actually have to say the right thing. In that moment Simon's mind was clear enough for him to listen to what she had to say.

[@guifdcanalli]

@@fenrisvermundr2516 in the end of the day she literally didnt know Simon tried to kill her seconds before, it wasnt just their friendship, it was a growing sense of morality on her as well that she didnt know how to express She was right, she didnt know why she saved the guy that wanted her dead, some things just doesnt make any sense But Simon biggest fault is: He cant accept he might me wrong, when Grace said "i dont know" he saw how much she grow, and how much he screwed up, she was willing to die but she would save the guy who trapped her in her own mind, that betrayed her and tried to kill her Simon was the entire late season in denial, denying they were wrong about everything, that HE was wrong, that their entire lifes were just a big lie, but Grace saving him ultimatelly break through those denials, and as the final act of denial, to keep himself right, he tried to eliminate this walking true about everything being wrong that Grace was

[@angeltamarizvergara7332]

The moment when Hazel goes with Amelia, and Grace stars to cry, that tears are so real, you can see that Grace is disappointed of herself for not help Hazel at the end, that is what makes infinity train SO real.

[@silvercrystal2009]

right? i also loved simon's tears after he thought he killed grace. somewhere deep deep deep down he still cared for grace. well at least for 2 seconds

[@angeltamarizvergara7332]

silvercrystal200 lmao 2 sec of reedemption and then the Joker’s laugh

[@KavinCatastrophe]

Infinity Train Season 1:We killed Atticus but brought him back to life. Fans: I knew they didnt have the Balls to kill characters in this show. Infinity Train Season 2:We killed Mace and didnt bring him back to life Fans: Okay You killed off a Bad guy Big Deal. You still dont have the balls to kill of a Good guy. Infinity Train Season 3: We killed Tuba. Fans: Okay... Wow....Um..... that one Kind of Hurt but she was not Human soo.... Infinity Train season 3 Finale: We Killed Simon. Fans: Okay I'm just going to Shut up before I say you cant kill a good human on the Show. Infinity Train Season 4: Challege Accepted! Fans: Wait No!!!!!!!

[@DKnightLightdotcom]

*kills good person/protag moments after their number goes down to 0 & before they reach the door*

[@eieiejjr]

@@DKnightLightdotcom they would probably do that eventually if they got 8 seasons, but probably not in book 4 if it is about Amelia and hazel

[@MantaKizaemonFTW]

Copypasta?

[@KavinCatastrophe]

@@MantaKizaemonFTW Hey the Oh no guy. I saw you from Nerdwire. Glad you remember me.

[@MantaKizaemonFTW]

@@KavinCatastrophe hi

[@Lin-rn3kz]

One of the first scenes of the season was Grace and Simon going down the escalator and the colour pallette is warm. One of the _last_ scenes of the season was _just Grace_ going down the escalator and the pallette is cold. I _adore_ these parallels.

[@silvercrystal2009]

I thought there stories in general were parallels. They went through the same events, both were emotionally pained but grace was able to better herself through her love for hazel while simon grew more and more distant from his love for grace.

[@PhoenixFeather09]

When Simon got all those numbers across his face, did you notice he got numbers on his leg too when the Ghome got him? His number got so high, it is not just on his face, it spread all over his body! That is how bad he got!

[@Lord0x]

yes, the numbers almost covering all his body.

[@fry4guy]

It's so big it's in the Centrillion!

[@L337M4573RK]

Not just that, but there was the "red-ish" (or "pink-ish") lightning flashing from the sky and (seemingly) from the train cars in the background of that scene. This may have been a simple effect put in by the artists to emphasize just how evil Simon had become, but oddly enough, the lightning seems to disappear once Simon sees Grace being saved by the "Nulls"...right before the Ghome pounces on Simon, sucks out his life force, and immediate self-destructs! Could the lightning have something to do with Simon's number rising to such an unfathomable size that it caused some sort of malfunction in whatever mechanism the train itself is currently running on? Perhaps Book 4 may provide some of the answers...

[@UltraVioletKnight]

so this means he has numbers on his... you know...

[@fry4guy]

@@UltraVioletKnight ya pretty much...

[@byronius7012]

Simon's descent into madness was really hard to watch, especially since he came off as a likable dork in the first few episodes :(

[@silvercrystal2009]

I think that was my favorite part of the season. Simon felt like a real person because he wasn't just evil, he was just as human as tuba but his pain lead him to killing the one person he loved the most.

[@byronius7012]

I think the voice actor really helped to bring him to life as well. Kyle McCarley did a fantastic job, especially during that last scene. Few people can pull off insane laughter that well.

[@DJKennedy90]

Well, let's not forget that when he first showed up in Book 2, he was only nice to Jesse, and threatened to wheel Alan Dracula and MT for "being useless Nulls".

[@josephpanno6816]

@@byronius7012 I mean considering he also played 9S he was probably used to playing the dorky main character that tragically goes insane only to get violently murdered. Tbh the only real difference between the 2 is the lack of cussing and gore on Simon's part.

[@slevinchannel7589]

When Tuba dies and when Simon dies, the Sky reacts. Please note that this is not an astethic choice, like when Mufasa dies and it rains - no, on Earth, Rain is natural, but in the Desert-Dimension, things are naturall unchanging. So this must mean something. I wished more people would talk about this, seriously. The Numbers are meant to react, they're directly linked to the holder, but the Sky is different. This purple lightning is interesting!

[@WaterHazard86]

I have a theory that the sole purpose of the gohms are too scare and keep passengers on the train so that they can progress and get off by dropping their number. Simon probably died so quickly due to how absurdly high his number is, which explains why Tulip was able to survive her encounters, because her number is considerably lower.

[@matts5164]

@Ferd Ferd.D The train probably made them lethal as an extra incentive for the passengers to leave. They actually provide a reason to not stick around on the train.

[@eieiejjr]

@Ferd Ferd.D well it could be that case, considering that if there is somebody as bad as Simon on the train, it'd be best to get rid of them so it doesn't ruin anyone else's experience. If that's not the case, well it wouldn't be the only thing that's lethal about the train. Remember the dungeon car in s1?

[@themushroominside6540]

@Ferd Ferd.D Its because people can get exponentially worse, the gohms are there to scare yes, but they are also kind of like part of the train's immune system, if a person (or denizen in the case of Lake/Allan Dracula) gets too malignant or fall out of line, they simply are destroyed. Like our immune system, in terms of natural killer cells, the gohms destroy themselves after they have done their purpose to not cause unnecessary harm to the train. Like what water hazard said, its likely that the higher your number is the faster you are killed which was why Grace and Tulip did not get as badly hurt by the gohm when their life was being sucked out of them as they simply had lower numbers. It seems as if the train is simultaneously treating passengers (and sometimes denizens) as foreign objects which is why the gohms attack people, but its ultimate goal is to also help them.

[@lobstersonskateboards3988]

Personally, I think they exist as a means of reducing overpopulation within the train. Although the train is "infinite", I believe sacrificing those who have gone beyond redemption probably serves as a means of a) making sure that passengers aren't influenced by their behavior, or b) making sure the computer isn't overwhelmed by so many passengers, since it's most likely canon that the train often creates or moves cars dedicated to the growth of a passenger as seen in brief mentions in season 2. If there's too many passengers, it'd be safe to say that maybe the train might malfunction, especially if they're dedicated to fucking it up like the Apex did.

[@darthmomo6548]

It would have been cool if Simon didn't die but I stead turned into on when his number reached it's maximum, revealing what the gohms really are and how they came to be

[@AverytheCubanAmerican]

I'm glad CN let them do whatever they want with the show. Really makes the show enjoyable for all ages

[@ezyawn3161]

O hell no you think CN would allow that skeletal disintegration scene at TV. That was allowed cuz it was now HBO MAX exclusive

[@guinealover6674]

I don't think "all ages" describes this show anymore. More for teens or above.

[@justsomeguy4955]

@Luke Gonzales yes, but Adult Swim is also from CN, and it is (Spoiler alert lol) Exclusively for adults. Same with HBO Max. HBO Max allows South Park, so... Yeah. You're wrong.

[@justsomeguy4955]

@Luke Gonzales Not exactly. The simple fact that its a streaming service now allows for darker themes. With the OG cartoon Network, they would let anyone die, as long as they weren't human. But with HBO Max, they can kill off humans. Also, you misunderstood my point about adult swim. Adult Swim is a block on cartoon network, just like HBO has relations to Cartoon Network, so... Yeah.

[@ezyawn3161]

@Luke Gonzales ya i know it is being made in CN studios pfff big deal. Close enough which is a mature cartoon is also being made in CN studios. I just said it won't air in CN channel. Read properly next time

[@philly_sports1558]

Simon is a tragic character but he's a character who definitely deserved the fate that was given to him. He was presented with so many opportunities to change for the better but he chose to become a worse person every single time.

[@99sins]

The thing I wish they showed more of was his past and his parents. It's very clear that he has MAJOR trust issues and is quick to draw conclusions. He also seems to have a serious case of narcissism and entitlement. You don't just develop those things out of nowhere so I really wonder what kind of upbringing he must have had to become like that.

[@devinmccaffrey8855]

Kaweta I don’t know if I’d blame it entirely on his upbringing because he came on the train with a lower number than any of the other main characters did. Had he not come onto a train that was taken over by Amelia, he probably would have gotten off the train much, much earlier. Instead he got no introduction, his first “friendly” person was the cat and he views her as abandoning him. Then the person who saves him basically tricks him into thinking higher numbers are better.

[@devinmccaffrey8855]

Kaweta well almost any, I think Jesse may have been lower

[@99sins]

@@devinmccaffrey8855 that's a good point. It's possible that that is why Amilia's number is that high; She doomed so many passengers to a much more dangerous and potentially traumatic experience so some people that really can't handle uncontrolled factors like gohms (such as Simon) would end up being stuck for longer if not forever.

[@lilibane81]

I oddly feel sympathetic for him though. I think he didn't deserve it but THOUGHT he deserved it himself and went on a self destructive road to lead into him trying to kill grace... So I think he hated himself for things he did subconsciously, and did this to himself to excuse his actions... He COULDN'T have been saved because he was on a mental war with himself. He didn't WANT to be saved because he was clinging onto his belief. It was everything he had ever know shattered infront of him, and so did his mind... So I don't really blame the guy. And when you say he COULD have changed, I disagree. He did have the chance but that internal struggle prevented him from GIVING HIMSELF that choice.

[@goldenwolfxoxo4337]

Ok can I just say that I love Simon’s character? I loved the way he was written and designed. It’s simple but I like it. The way he was written though, very immaculate. He was irredeemable and apathetic about nulls from start to finish. I love how Infinity Train doesn’t always redeem the villains. Even with a sad backstory. I just really like Simon, even though everyone doesn’t like him (including me, so mixed feelings lol).

[@cutrim-b8t]

Same

[@candiedblue3507]

Same

[@Michalom.9841]

Dude, I just feel the same, as I understand that Simon was actually really evil, but I was sad about him, he killed so many characters and everybody said that he deserved his death, but I don't think this way, I was crying and horrifying watching his dying, I think nobody deserves that kind of death, I don't know... I just don't feel the triumph of justice or average or something... just sadness (I don't mean that he has to be saved, I love tragedy, it just, I don't hate him, I will cry at his funeral... Yes, don't mind me I am just a strange person here )

[@agentofxehanort]

I knew Simon's story was not going to end well, but holy crap, I was not expecting that. Also, Grace and the Apex being willing and open to change is still pretty hopeful IMO, even if it's not as hopeful as the last two books.

[@zacharyyamashita8554]

I expected that he’d get KARMA.

[@Popcultureguy3000]

I was honestly expecting him to become the first person to be punished for abusing the train system. I somehow got this idea that One-One would turn him into a Mall Car mannequin denizen wherein he’d mostly be completely reprogrammed to be cheerful and helpful towards passengers and have fleeting moments of awareness as the “fog clears over his mind”, like an Alzheimer’s patient.

[@despicablepenguin]

@@Popcultureguy3000 I mean he did get punished technically and he could still be a hazard to other passengers if he regained his memory. Don't want to take that chance

[@Popcultureguy3000]

Well why would The New Apex hang around that car anyway now that the memories of their good times have been turned on their heads by the revelation of just how chaos, death, and destruction they’ve caused. A hollow shell of their former leader would just be extra incentive to find a new base of operations.

[@99sins]

I expected Simon to become a more long-term antagonist and have the end of the season be more about him barely deciding to start trying to improve for the sake of his feelings towards Grace. The writers really ramped it up to cartoony levels with him even having a psychotic meltdown after realizing what he just did.

[@lazyhorn7184]

Ghom attacks Tulip: *slowly drains her of her life force* Glom attacks Simon: * S U C C *

[@seamustheshameful9498]

Higher number maybe

[@missfortune404]

Maybe it was tulips will to fight? Fighting for her life to get off the train. While Simon had nothing to fight for.

[@falconeshield]

How nice of the first Ghoms to let Tulip keep her youth and sanity

[@marcocortesguzman4949]

I love how infinity train isn't a cliche show

[@addisonivyy]

Me too. I love how unique it is.

[@barringtonbailey6768]

Fr I hate the *Oh and everyone lives happily ever after* endings *Looks at steven universe and Adventure time but atleast Adventure time was good*

[@AGamerthatregretsalot]

Same

[@thejaycrewsshow9827]

@@barringtonbailey6768 but this isn't the end of infinity train it could end like that (and leave Steven universe alone it's chilling)

[@genesisjoseph990]

Same I love how you think yk what’s going to happen next but then it doesn’t like *spoilers* when Simon tells hazel I would’ve thought he would’ve lie but he just straight up told her like how can you be so heartless not only to kill which I cried at that scene so much 🥺but also then tell her like it’s nothing but I mean he is a psycho who need help so

[@notoriousd.i.g.87]

The train is actually really messed up. You go through some sort of turmoil in your life, and weird train temps you onto it with the intention of helping you with your problem (or what the train perceives as a problem), and you're thrown onto a dangerous train full of monsters and potentially apocalyptic cars surrounded by evil cockroaches that violently suck out your freaking soul. Instead of dealing with your problems over the course of your life with the people you know and trust, you're kidnapped and put in exponential danger, probably traumatized and ultimately worse off than ever. Best case scenario is you learn a lesson, worst case scenario you fricking die or never go home again.

[@dreamythesheep]

Yeah it occurred to me that whatever family or friends Simon had to go back to will never get closure (if his death was permanent and he's not reincarnated like others theorize). I mean it doesn't seem like either had any intention to go home since Simon seemed to have trust issues when it came to authority and Grace for obvious reasons. The kids in the Apex are going to probably go back feeling extremely traumatized and guilty once they internalize that denizens are basically like humans and they've been murdering sentient creatures this entire time.

[@notoriousd.i.g.87]

@@dreamythesheep Not to mention the adults that get pulled onto the train. I just thought about this, but what happens when someone's parents just disappear for days, weeks, or even years. The kids probably feel abandoned randomly out of nowhere. This train really does only create more problems than it would really solve.

[@dreamythesheep]

@@notoriousd.i.g.87 It seems like the train has a base set of assumptions that not only will people have the intrapersonal skills to realize they have a problem, but that they have the physical and mental capability to survive on the train and leave in what it would assume is a timely manner. Who's to say this doesn't end up being a lotus flower situation and they never want to leave. I would have given the train a pass because I assumed it operated outside of time and space and whenever a person was picked up they were deposited back out at the same time and place they entered but Book Two literally acknowledged that there was a passage of time.

[@elizathegamer413]

@@dreamythesheep How the train normally works is that the people who come onto the train tend to have a tutorial by one-one, but while Amelia was 'in power' the tutorials didn't happen I think, so they didn't know how to leave, and so people like Grace assumed that they should make the numbers go up. However, with the tutorials, it appears that people would probably be better at leaving.

[@elizathegamer413]

@@notoriousd.i.g.87 It's impossible to ignore, however, that the train *must* be known about in the real world, as while people disappear for a while when they reunite people don't really mention it. Also, there are so many people with memories of the exact same train who have similar stories (including many similar characters like Randall) that it would become more and more impossible to discount it. In addition, the train appears to have existed for a very long time, so these stories would have some historical credibility. Then, we can see at the end of book one that Tulip does not have a reflection, so some acknowledgment of the supernatural must be made (also we have to say that Lake must be acknowledged as existing so that's even more major)

[@LycanMOON]

The main series of 2020: The owl house Infinity train Amphibia (The rest people added) She ra Mao mao heroes of pure heart Dragon prince (never heard of it btw) Kipo and the ago of wonderbeasts Ducktales Glitchtechs Meta runner Craig of the creek Twelve forever (it’s not that prominent but I think it could be good) Eiphet earased

[@Bigpapaforthewin]

And Big city Greens that show is hilarious😂

[@laurenhawes7201]

I still cant believe infitity train is this sucessful show. Like I rememeber when it was just a short pilot on yt that i was a fan of and signed petitions for it to become a show.

[@byronius7012]

hot take: owl house is the new steven universe infinity train is the new gravity falls amphibia is the new adventure time

[@FictionRaider007]

I do enjoy it when I can watch a 40-minute long live action tv show episode aimed at adults because almost always afterwards I can point to an 11-minute cartoon marketed at (originally, at least) children and yell "This did what you tried to do so much better!"

[@LycanMOON]

Big Papa but no one cares about that show.big city greens is just attached to the owl house and amphibia schedule

[@michaelpasquale9752]

I watched the whole series on HBO max because I heard it was really cool and the fact that they make each season an anthology series and each season being 10 episodes, they really did make a special series here, I’m just sad that everyone had to leave office.

[@rm-projects]

Michael Pasquale well if you don’t want writers to leave there offices and the show getting canceled rewatch the damn series over and over again not only this season the other seasons and get your family and friends to watch it too we need to show HBO max that this show matters the more views the better; your welcome for being captain obvious but I just wrote the comment to tell you in case you didn’t know

[@teddyfurstman1997]

ME too, I have HBO Max with our Cable Subscription to Watch this Amazingly dark Sci-Fi Cartoon Anthology. I love this series so much and I want an Hazel and Amelia Story in Book 4!

[@Yental]

@Derek Hottenstein I would watch it on HBO but I literary can't in my country

[@sousou6251]

I think, if the show goes on, the "apex" is going to change theire name and go on a journey to fix some cars. On that way they stay all together until everyone gets to number 0. On the way they are going to meet Amelia and see how Hazel's doing. And at the end they're going to have an emotional goodbye and everyone leaves the train. As an end-scene we see Grace seeing two elderly people she recognizes and that is the end. And the base for potentiell season 5 could be the journey of Hazel and Amelia.

[@osmosisjones4912]

Samantha might feel more responsible then Grace. Next season might be in her reflecting his she failed him. She did tell him all the stuff you do to get your number down. Imagine what Amelia most have done. He then runs back urgently ..so he knows those numbers mean evil yet still strives for higher numbers . this time deliberately trying to be dad why he kicked her off the train

[@samsmith4242]

Sousou El-Zainoun nah, have the apex do that but in a montage like episode with Grace meeting Hazel and Amelia again at the end of it in the unfinished car and then the next episode shows her leaving when she lets go of the baggage she had with hazel. Being emotional growth for Amelia as well when she finds out how Grace dealt with Simons death. After all, if she can let go of Alaric then her number should drop dramatically. Hazel is technically her daughter being made, so her and one-one finishing the error passenger (hazel, since her numbers not working right and she isn’t quite human. Lake already set the precedent that things from the train can leave it. So, one-one should be able to find the solution by remembering tulip) and then both leaving together is likely the end of her story. Hopefully, followed by a special where all the main characters from the first four books interact. Amelia would attract Grace and Tulips attention and lake and Jesse could easily be there by chance

[@ZackeryCochran]

Well actually Grace would have aged faster in the train. Only a few years should’ve past on the real world

[@swan7201]

Infinity train is the kind of show that just leaves you thinking for a straight minute after every episode

[@Foxraggs]

A minute? Dude, I’m going to think about this one for years.

[@Karlossus_]

My theory for the ghomes is that they act as a kind of symbiotic security system for the train. Their purpose is to prevent passengers/denizens from attempting to flee out into the wasteland and away from the train (the train is their only means of survival, and to leave it means certain death. The Ghomes act as a quick execution of sorts). As for the incident on the bridge, I also believe they're possibly attracted to the numbers on a passenger, with the higher numbers indicating passengers with more dangerous tendencies. All passengers we've seen with numbers running up their arms have harmed/killed denizens, however Simon is the only one we've seen with a complete covering, and as far as we're aware, is the only passenger we've seen kill another passenger (whether he managed to or not, Simon had committed to the act with full intent, and the numbers reflected this). The Ghom seemed to go directly for Simon as opposed to Grace or one of the other Alex children, which to me suggests the secondary purpose of the Ghomes is to eliminate passengers that pose a threat to others. In essence, denizens and passengers who leave the train or try to remain outside the cars are preyed upon by ghomes (escaping them is simple enough, a passenger merely needs to enter a car and shut the door until it has moved on), and as such the ghomes prevent passengers from suffering when they refuse to follow the train's rehabilitation system. Amelia's statement that when a number is that high, a stray digit doesn't make much difference, has more meaning than just being there longer. If a number is that high, you aren't likely to go home at all, and the ghomes seem to sense that. Also as a side note, comparing the actions of Simon to Amelia's makes me consider what Amelia did to gain her number. Other than attempted murder, she basically did everything Simon did in her attempt to prevent Tulip from progressing, from attempting to kill One-One/Atticus/Samantha the Cat, all the way to attempting to trap Tulip in her own tape. It makes me wonder if her number only became so high due to her interference with Tulip.

[@ariesmry]

Karlossus I think her number became so high because she interfered with several passengers growth. She was the false conductor for years if Grace met her when she was initially on the train. I also don’t think that SImon died. His physical body no longer existed, but neither did the gnomes form exist after sucking in his essence (spirit?). I think that no one really dies on the train, they just transform into something else, and Simon was transformed into a denizen. It appears that a few denizen are created (like Hazel), but many simply be passengers who were caught by ghomes. I think that Samantha at one point was a passenger, who transformed into a ghome (which would explain why she has possession of her own tape, and her self-preservation at all costs, to the extent she says “I am what I am”). Just as Atticus was able to transform from denizen, to ghome, back to denizen, I think its a similar cycle for human passengers. Which adds a completely different layer of darkness when it comes to the whole wheeling denizens because they aren’t human propaganda that the Apex adopted.

[@SpecialInterestShow]

I think that it's high because for the longest time, she refused to change, refused to move on, and even prevented others from doing the same. And she still hasn't moved on much. She's started trying, but only begrudgingly. Likely only in an effort to get off the train, not for wanting to actually be better.

[@streetcrash9]

Honestly, I just thought Amelia created the Ghoms. The blaster she had turned Atticus into one, so she must have rigged something together to do it.

[@Karlossus_]

@@streetcrash9 I decided to rewatch the scene where Amelia converts Atticus into a Ghom, and it would appear that the Ghoms have a cannon-compatible orb, just like the other inhabitants of the train. This would make sense, given the seemingly immobile Ghom that Samantha has in her cabin, and we know that the cannon merely gives an object a physical appearance resembling an orb's focus (such as the corgi orb turning the furniture and equipment in the engine into corgi-themed items). Given that the cannons came from the train itself, could it be that the Ghoms are were originally creatures from the wasteland the train resides in? Why would a train that exists in a seemingly barren and lifeless wasteland need weapons to defend itself? This also reminds me of a thought I had while writing the original comment, but now it's got me thinking even further. What if the ghoms are generated by the train itself, projected outside of the train in a similar way to the passenger processing car? And given we're now aware that the pocket dimensions the train cars project can vary from small to massive, depending on the puzzle within them, I'm now wondering if the wasteland itself, is a pocket dimension? It would explain how the track is seemingly infinite, and there never appears to be anything that forms a horizon like hills or mountains, it's always completely flat. Perhaps because it's generated to be so?

[@chaosandhugs]

It could possibly be because she also split the real conductor One into One-One, something we would have seen in season 5 as it would have focused on her taking over the train according to Owen Dennis himself.

[@DarthDerpy]

The last time I was this early was when Simon was alive...

[@karo3156]

So 2 days ago lmao

[@squid.sandwich]

You should’ve said Tuba was still alive😂

[@landonaustin6623]

I feel like it had to happen. Simon was too rooted in his hate to change. His number was higher than Amelia. It wasn't that he couldn't change but rather he didn't want to. When we saw Grace's with Amelia "saving" her he saw what he wanted to despite grace telling him she wasn't this mighty mysterious being she was just someone in a robot.

[@St4rStudios.]

I love how you could feel simon go from happy and empowered to sad and lonely then chaotic and insane in his laughing scene after "killing" grace

[@Goldenswagger359]

Mans just snapped and i felt so bad for him but his actions are inexcusable

[@NJ-tm1vn]

Technically somebody did leave the train in season 3. Simon left but not by an exit door but by death

[@hawkanonymous2610]

Actually, we do not know that. I bet he will return in some shape or form on the train. Look at the Gohm that ate him. It starts to glow and looks similar to the deer in seaon, just like something was trying to grow out of it. I would not be supised if people eaten by gohms are just reset to an earlier state and repalced on the train

[@_NIKOS9_NIKOS]

Nemo: We dont see anybode leave the train at all Me: Well Simon did leave, just not in a way most people expected him to

[@zack-ronald259]

*OOF*

[@LazyLoonz]

*OOF*

[@MarneyMooseYT]

I have a feeling theres gonna be a Book 4 with Amelia, Hazel, and possibly another animal companion, and they're gonna try to find out who or what Hazel is. That's just my theory anyway:)

[@Popcultureguy3000]

Amelia knows who Hazel is, she’s a failed attempt at making perfect denizen copy of her late husband. That’s why she’s turtle shapeshifter and has lived-in knowledge of British slang and vocabulary. How many American Six year olds would know how to properly use “daft” in a sentence or know that the tea kettle pourer is “mother”. I bet she even spells color with a “u”!

[@sethmillerd6538]

The return of Alain Dracula.

[@jdn4070]

It would probably be a silent Denizen similar to Alan Dracula who decides to tag along who Hazel will like and Amelia will begrudgingly accept, I don't see Amelia bringing along many more Denizens by choice

[@Lucien_M]

What if Book 4 is about Samantha attempting to get a passenger off the train, because she never got to do that with Simon

[@WarpChaos]

Each season is a new story though. Someone from the previous season.

[@TheRandomJguy]

infinity train lessons: book 1: change of life book 2: being your self book 3: helping others book 4: trusting others

[@samsmith4242]

Jose Gamer book three: you can’t help everyone and that’s ok

[@ANSKZ_]

10 seconds into the video: “GuYS sPOileRs AHEad” Thumbnail: Literally spoilers

[@elizathegamer413]

yeah i was kinda pissed i watched the rest of the book today but before that the video got reccomended and i was angry lol

[@sprinkles06]

Well nah I mean if you haven't seen the show at all and then see the disclaimer, your noT gonnA knOw what even that thumbnail was 😂😂😂 but yea if you didn't see the eps all in one sitting then it is spoils ig jdkdkfkkfg

[@lewishassell7948]

Well to be fair the expression he has in the thumbnail could mean anything.

[@elizathegamer413]

@@lewishassell7948 yeah but the fact that he has 1 billion numbers lmao

[@sam77rat]

I would argue that this was Simon's season. He was the only one who finished his journey on the train.

[@silvercrystal2009]

I like seeing it as both his and Grace's season and both characters had drastically different endpoints, simon's being the most tragic. Kind of like two parallel stories.

[@hunterwillis1202]

@@silvercrystal2009 I think he really means along the lines of a character finishing their business with the train. In both season 1 and 2, someone left the train. Season 1 was Tupil, season 2 was that kid and MT. Season 3 was Simon, though not by getting his number to 0 but through death. Grace still has business on the train, cause she still has a positive number.

[@Kkalicious]

I noticed in book 2 Jesse wanted so much sing a song called "When i see you, I see me" and in the begin of book 3 this music start to play

[@calamitysangfroid2407]

one thing i like about the grace vs simon fight is that simon broke his boot by choosing to become more aggressive, even though grace was on the defensive (catching his punches but not returning them). he smashed it against the fence, breaking both the barrier preventing their fall and his boot's magnet tech. it's a microcosm of how his actions destroyed any chance he had of salvation.

[@dagondreamer5763]

Simon: *Uncontrollably going insane* Viewers: Oh honey noo... Simon: *almost kills Grace* Viewers: OH HONEY NOOO!

[@maximusgennaro5342]

in the flashback he looked very dapper

[@Ezzie__]

Oh honey

[@Xman34washere]

Simon: dies Viewers: *OH HONEY NOOOOOOOOOOO*

[@lovelylapis979]

I feel so bad for him

[@holyheckinheckohheck]

Nemo: "Gohms are TERRIFYING." No-One: Sad-One: Glad-One: DO-DO DO DO DOODLE LOODLE DO DO DOODLE LOODLE DOOT DOOT DOOT DOOT DO!

[@tungstendioxide3055]

What?

[@zack-ronald259]

@@tungstendioxide3055 the joke is that glad-one is oblivious to everything

[@holyheckinheckohheck]

@@tungstendioxide3055 It's a wacky getting-chased song he made up.

[@Mayonnaise-m8h]

It's a wacky getting chased song.

[@brianlevine871]

This show just keeps getting better with each season/book, and this one really took the cake with everything revolving around Simon. Man, his final moments were frightening. Also, I'm glad that Grace didn't leave the train in the last episode, even though she really grew on me. Having her tell the former-Apex kids that they have a lot of work to do to redeem themselves makes me appreciate this even more. As for Book 4, chances are Amelia and Hazel will be the main focus, and they have another companion joining them (animal, robot, singing space cloud, anything).

[@Beviraku]

What I would love to happen is if a passenger were to reach the highest number (like Simon), the numbers would max out, and a large infinity sign would appear on the forehead.

[@silvercrystal2009]

oooo thats a really cool idea! personally, i like how having the numbers gives a hopeful end for each character, that eventually even the worst people might be able to change themselves. I'm so looking forward to amelia eventually getting to go home maybe as the final scene in the series.

[@LazyLoonz]

Like dragonball

[@matthewsrandomstuff3263]

I feel like this book has two morals, one being it is hard to say goodbye, and the second being that it is okay to be wrong

[@Nennecatgirl]

I'm scarred for life by those ghomes

[@freakystories3583]

I know right there so ugly and creepy and so mean. Why are they there any ways? Why do they eat people and nothing else? Are they like delinters that kill un wanted pates or are they just mind list monsters that where mutated from a lab?

[@muichirotokitou2615]

You know what I just realized, this might be quite the stretch but, the ghomes turn people into dust, the infinity train goes through a never ending desert.

[@maximusgennaro5342]

@@freakystories3583 they might e native to the wasteland or byproducts of the train. maybe they came from a car and do to there roach like nature spread to the wasteland

[@lyonsin2535]

Yea there scary and fuck and I love it. Reminds of some demons in Berserk

[@freakystories3583]

Very cleaver I didn't think of that thank you

[@b.rileyjowett6925]

Grace pulling the tape out of her head caused me more discomfort than having two teeth pulled without any anesthetic

[@chileanyways-593]

literally everytime i close my eyes i see melted simon- i absolutely love it

[@joaovictorabramides9977]

7:35 I just love how his voice suddenly got from calm to freaking out in a flat second.

[@НепТор]

When Simon kicked Grace off the train I had to go for a walk around the house just to stop the tears and save my brain from melting... That was the most extreme and dark action I've ever seen in a cartoon... I didn't think they'll go so far.. Even tho Grace was saved shortly after, this single action broke me the rest of the day

[@waheedabdullah6371]

I was really expecting Grace's number to get to zero and got back home after being gone for so long

[@silvercrystal2009]

Personally, i really liked how the ending showcased how not everything was right in the world. The characters still had struggles to go through and they lost things they will never get back. I thought the last two books already gave a happy wholesome ending, though i agree with you that i hope we can see characters like grace or amelia finally leave the train in future seasons.

[@DJKennedy90]

I think that Grace's number won't 0 out until she sees Hazel one last time; since Hazel (along with Simon's madness and death) are her final regrets on the train.

[@waheedabdullah6371]

I'm just happy Tuba got avenged

[@lokisbr9884]

Nah, it's ok.

[@hinamatsuro1908]

Bro it's still sad he died he went crazy

[@hinamatsuro1908]

Numbers also represent your emotions him getting numbers all over his body just emulate his feelings making him realize he just murdered his friend

[@zacharyyamashita8554]

I thought that this ending was satisfying because I really hated Simon, he got what he deserved.

[@pinkwooper5129]

Indeed

[@Cloud-zb8lw]

Simon: I don’t feel so good! Too soon ?

[@MarcosJunior-sf1ft]

Mayby but simon was a monster

[@LazyLoonz]

@@MarcosJunior-sf1ft Deep inside he was still human, he needed a therapist.

[@nyahnyahson523]

@@LazyLoonz The Infinity Train is supposed to basically be the ultimate therapist, and the higher number = the harder it is for them to get better. This is why Simon got such a high number, especially compared to Amelia. Amelia was a sociopath, not harboring any ill intent per say, but not caring for the harm she causes. Still treatable, just very difficult to do so. Simon, on the other hand, became a straight up psychopath. He was so far gone that it doesn't *matter* if he gets all the help in the world, since his heart basically shattered to the point where he wants people to suffer around him. He is almost completely non fixable, if not plainly completely unfixable.

[@hilelmauriciosalomon4465]

The tragic ending WAS foreshadowed on the FIRST episode of the season: In the musical car, there where two halves of a theater mask: the comedy one and the tragedy one. They were sing this song about empathy "when I see you, I see me". Then Apex just genocide every 'null' on stage, just leaving the poor TRAGEDY mask, seeing our duo and saying "when I see YOU, I see *ME* "

[@dann7476]

A random person: "I dont want to change" The train: Fine, I'll do it myself

[@eliasfitzgerald1786]

It took me a few watches to realize that when Grace looked at the reflective origami bird, it was literally: "When I look at you, I see me."

[@gramps3351]

i've said this before and i'll say it again, as someone with an NG tube, watching that scene with Grace pulling the tape out of her head made me physically nauseous like i had to pause that shit

[@chimp4225]

Infinity Train Stats of all books: Book 1: The Perennial Child Tulip: human Problem: divorce and denial to this Companion: one-one and atticus One-One: the true conductor but doesn’t remember it Atticus: adorable corgi denizen Way to get out of the train: accepting reality of divorce and saving Atticus Secondary Characters: Tulip’s friend, Tulip’s mom, One-One, Randal the water blob fellow, Samantha the cat, Atticus the royal Corgi, Steward, Bulky Crystal man, Amelia, Amelia boyfriend, a bunch of turtles, Lake, the chrome cops, and finally bunny plush toy Characters that died: only background ones Book 2: Cracked Reflection MT/ Lake: chrome version of Tulip physically, different personality/ clone denizen Problem: she doesn’t have a number but her problem is exactly that Companion: Jesse and Allen Dracula the superpowered deer Jesse: a passenger that pushed his little brother because of peer pressure Allen Dracula: a denizen with seemingly infinite powers, but doesn’t react on command Way to get out the train: putting hands together so Jesse’s number reflects on her hand Secondary Characters: Maze and the other chrome cop, bickering maple tree family, Marcel the weather-controlling cartographer head, The Toad, the green parasite, Grace and Simon and all the apex children, Lizard lady and finally, Jesse’s little brother Nate Returning cast: Randal, Samantha the cat, One-One, the Steward, chrome cops, Atticus (on a tv) Characters that died: Maze and other unnamed chrome cop Book 3: Cult of the Conductor Protagonists (PLURAL): Grace and Simon Grace: human child cult leader Simon: human child cult commander Problem: MANY. Main one being that their ideology on the train was wrong from the start and Simon refuses to change. Secondary one being Hazel doesn’t have a number and Tuba died because Simon “wheeled” her Companions: Tuba and Amelia Tuba: gorilla denizen that protects Hazel Amelia: previously known woman to hijack the train and use it to simulate her ideal life with her dead boyfriend Secondary characters: the apex children, the theatre car denizens, the debutante balls, the awesome bear that made pancakes, the color clock, sentient camping gear, the golden winged snakes, the yelling plummeting bricks, the origami birds, Simon’s ghom that tried to devour him as a child Returning characters: Amelia, Grace, Simon, Samantha the cat, and Randall the water blob dude Characters that died: Tuba: killed by Simon on the wheels Simon: incinerated alive by his childhood trauma and reduced to dust by the ghom Hope you enjoyed 8 ♾

[@JoaderR]

The "unnamed chrome cop" is called Sieve, if I remember correctly

[@chimp4225]

Joader R. Thanks this took me like 20 minutes

[@miguelcastro3216]

I cant tell how much i love and hate Simon. He is just a bad person, but is one of the best characters i have ever seen in cartoons

[@kcmoon2214]

Supposedly someone from the crew did say once a number covers your entire body, it'll go to your insides next. So your organs are next and maybe even your blood.

[@RebelReviews08]

Honestly that last bit with Simon as the leader of the Apex really reminded me of the last few chapters of The Lord of the Flies, with Jack and his Hunters

[@DJKennedy90]

So I'm of the "Ghoms are murdered Denizens" theory. Basically, Denizens are essentially like data given life by the train, and when they die, it can be inferred that some of that data goes back into the Train's computer systems, probably to try to create new lifeforms, new Denizens, that could help Passengers better. But, the data that's left over... they make up the bodies of the Ghoms. Incomplete beings, they try to feast on Passengers (especially those with high numbers) and Denizens (who are made of similar data) alike to try to regain what's missing in them. This is why the idea that the Ghom that ate Simon is comprised of what was left of Tuba would feel apropos; that not only did she find Simon (and Grace) because of their numbers, but because Simon (and Grace by unwilling association) was responsible for her death and she took revenge. As for the explosion afterwards? Partially to show that Simon is deader than dead and won't be saved like how Atticus was in Book 1 was, but also that maybe the Ghom got enough "data" from Simon and his ridiculously high number that it essentially became a different being and its current form exploded while it would reconstitute somewhere else. Sort of like a teleporting butterfly that escapes from an exploding cocoon. But hey, that's just a theory... A TV Theory!

[@KyikoKyubii]

I think the think that messes me up the most about Simon's arc is that he would've been much better off if the train had never come to him.

[@Hype_Films]

Ah yes let’s show a man going insane then dying in pain yknow for the children :)

[@CantBelieveItsJustButter]

Children love life being sucked out of a human being with a family and emotions. Whooooo

[@shelovesj.]

Right it down RIGHT IT DOWN

[@karo3156]

Honestly i wish they would make this like for 13 and up but all ages can still enjoy even if the deaths are scarring as hell

[@Hype_Films]

Dark Shadow Storm I couldn’t say it better it just surprised me when they showed it all ig they were able to bc they gave it to hbo

[@Hype_Films]

Dark Shadow Storm I full heartedly agree with everything your saying

[@dog8438]

This was such a good season. Every single season has been a banger. I get so attached to the protagonists that I become skeptical at the start of every season and then I end up loving them.

[@tartlynerdy]

Haven't seen anyone point this out but I noticed Simon letting his hair down because ponytail used to be one of Grace's little affectionate teases for him. She would often play with his hair when she was in a playful mood. Getting rid of that small thing was also like getting rid of something positive that reminded him of Grace, I think. I think the origami birds were to show the children of the apex that the train's denizens were good. They saved Grace's life. So I hope they'll learn to be kinder now that the group is revamping itself.

[@taddad2641]

I think you've msicharacterized the train. It is not an unfeeling machine. It is in fact an empathic machine, though ultimately still a machine. Its entire existence is towards empathy and to help individuals who are going on the wrong path. To keep them from self destruction at their lowest points. The train does all it can to keep people from dying but there are accidents. But i think that largely one one's 30 year removal caused a lot of glitches and issues. Its possible the gghom are not in fact a feature of the tarin and simply what lives here. Or are themselves glitches with no purpose, denizens gone rogue.

[@OzCroc]

Simon had numbers on his you know what... Just gonna put that out there

[@animanayak6469]

don't make it sexual Dodger

[@thenotsoamazinggracetnsag3463]

W H Y

[@scorchinglizard]

I love how everyone's reaction to the finale was basically "YO WHAT THE HECK"

[@rodolfomezaalvarado8004]

Simon starts laughing on somehow believeing that he finally got the ultimate number, then cries realizing he just killed his best friend. But final psicho laugh means he's lost, there's no coming back from that.

[@mrgroovy5113]

I still can't believe Simon was only 18 years old. I love how dark this show is!

[@Junosensei]

Anyone else realize that the train and the world itself are completely at odds with each other? The train that picks people up isn't the infinity train itself, for instance. It's just a portal to the wasteland. The train's magic magnet seems to drag the portal/person into the train as they arrive. The number isn't generated by the world itself, but by the train. The world is creepy magic. The train is more scifi, as if man-made. It's as if someone trapped in hell figured out the mechanism of how to escape, turned that into math (the number), and built the train to help others do so as well.

[@geardog24]

8:00 At least Simon got what he wanted, to become the ultimate numerical lifeform.

[@ahuman2303]

Is that a reference to that one manga and anime anthology series named JOJO’s bizzare adventure?

[@LivingStormStudios]

When I saw those origami birds save Grace I was like: "helps to help" unless they're crazy

[@m-2718]

What makes simon even more tragic is that he was 17 years old, and he was on the train since he was 10, pepole act like he was a adult, but he was just a teen, he didn't deserved it, pepole who say he did aren't better than him

[@1805movie]

I have a feeling Amelia and Hazel are going to be the next protagonists in Season 4 (if it happens).

[@streetcrash9]

That does seem to be how they shift between books. Lake appeared in Book 1 and got her own story in Book 2, and The Apex appeared in Book 2 and got their story in Book 3. Amelia makes the most sense since there aren't any other notable characters The Apex meet in Book 3. Oh wait, there is also The Cat, but she seems more like a recurring character for each book. I wonder if she'll find out about Simon's demise.

[@zack-ronald259]

there is no other characters in episode 7 so thats very likely

[@vulbvibe]

No worries season 4 is done, I think it just hasn’t been greenlit

[@zack-ronald259]

@@vulbvibe It can't be done if it wasn't greenlit i think you mean "annouced"

[@AdamDGoff]

I think the concept of “seeing how much darker they can get with it” is dangerous. It limits them creatively. Sometimes it’s okay to have a happy ending. I’m reminded of people disliking certain Twilight Zone or Black Mirror épisodes because they’re not as dark as the others. With that being said, I don’t want the show to lose its edge. I just want them to be able to do whatever they want to do.

[@ipxperfect]

Actually I’m pretty sure Hazel isn’t the main protagonists of season 3. She was like the new companion for Grace. it was Grace and Simon story in this one.

[@cadetcat13]

Maybe I am wrong, but I feel like the moral of this season was to be open minded and take responsibility for your own actions. The series as a whole shows the consequences and rewards for treating people or denizens with respect. Yet I really do appreciate in the end the show had Grace try to change and become better even though it is hard. What happened with Simon was sad at first, but eventually even sadder was his own actions and choices that ended up hurting those around him even himself. He didn't have a good start, but he chose to get worse instead of reflecting and helping those who did care for him. While fighting Grace still cared enough to save Simon. Even after Grace did not understand she wanted to work with him. The thing is he did not want to work things out. Grace is not perfect, but in the end she started to care how she treated others and tried to lay off being controlling. Personally, I wanted Simon to work stuff out, but in real life people have the choice to also become better or worse. At the end Simon did not care who he hurt or what he did as long as he felt in control and could blame anyone for his own life problems.

[@owenbridgers]

Train: made to "fix people" Also Train: *causes irreversible mental trauma*

[@marsyetir8304]

"...Simon is irredeemable character... " **Laughs in White Diamond**

[@JNSC_18]

Wow lol

[@anonanon4877]

He refuses to change, thats why

[@JNSC_18]

Well in white diamond's case till now you could still techniquely argue that she isn't really even fully redeemed yet

[@lyonsin2535]

Every character is redeemable it just that white diamonds happened so fast that it really did feel right at all. Change takes time, it why people love peridot arc so much.

[@marsyetir8304]

@@lyonsin2535 Agreed.

[@aquatus1]

I can't say I agree that the Train doesn't care about whether your numbers go up and down. Those origami birds weren't just flying by coincidentally (and outside of their car at that). The train does seem to be willing to help out those who are progressing towards...redemption? Self-understanding? Still not sure what reaching 0 truly means, but if that is the train's purpose, then it will take action to help people do so, which is as good a definition of caring as any other.

[@aquatus1]

As for the goms, I'm in the reincarnation camp for the passengers that are too far gone. We have only seen them threaten other passengers, which could also be explained as herding them to where they were meant to be, or even as extreme negative motivation to accomplish a task. Simon is the first time we see them actually kill someone, after which it consumes him and dies. That's not a particularly useful evolutionary trait, which means the goms are nulls, which means they have some sort of purpose.

[@anonymus5637]

From what has been shown "Reaching Zero" is when a passenger has finally recognized their mistakes and is willing to fix them in order to become a better person; Simon thought that, the higher his numbers were (The worse he let his Mental Sanity go), the more powerful he would be, which was a horrible lie that ended up as we know (Simon became a madman who did not trust anybody and murdered denizens thinking that this were not living beings, even after what was shown to him)

[@TubbyToadInc]

I like the Theory that the Groms are just an alternative way off the train, they are meant for those people who cant work through there problems, where the train is seen as a form of therapy to work through your issues, there are some which Therapy makes it worse, so they Eject the Passenger by alternative means

[@TheOwlsBranch]

His number got too high and he had to die. I am so happy they went for it and made it BRUTAL!! I appreciate that not everyone gets a redemption. It's important to realize that some people are truly beyond help especially when they REFUSE to try to change themselves.

[@silvercrystal2009]

I think what would have made it better though was if his death had been caused by his own mistakes or more natural causes than a random train monster. I's kind of dark that one one has monsters in the first place.

[@vedji1857]

Personally I knew he was gonna die but not.... like that.

[@oni123]

*laughs in white diamond*

[@IceLena]

@@silvercrystal2009 With how quickly he went, compare to the other Ghom encounters. There is a good chance that getting his number that high did cause the Ghom to attack and why it was so swift with killing him.

[@LazyLoonz]

@@oni123 she didn't die tho

[@geneclark4657]

give me a hundred villians, and i can give you two hundred tragic backstories each more heartbreaking then the last. The idea that one's own pain can somehow negate the abuse they inflict is SO worn out that it was a regular punchline in Phines and Ferb. considering all the horrific things we see simon do ( and the years of context implied slaughter as one of the two heads of the apex), his end was deserved if nothing else.

[@zanir2387]

I cannot imagine how many numbers star butterfly could have in that train...

[@Kai_Arrid]

simon got a pretty poetic ending, killed by the very thing that made him a monster. but what happened to his soul? if you die on the train is your soul stuck in a sort of limbo?

[@lordseelenfresserdemonking1168]

He got holy grailed Indiana Jones style

[@zacharyyamashita8554]

Man that death was all that more satisfying.

[@LazyLoonz]

@@zacharyyamashita8554 if I was lied to by my only friend and even the nulls I would be mad too

[@LazyLoonz]

@@zacharyyamashita8554 if you haven't realise, he died, he honestly didn't deserved death but sadly it happened

[@rhymenoceros3303]

Simon gets turned into dust. The land outside the train is made of nothing but sand and dust for miles. It makes you wonder...

[@gamefan6219]

Wait ..are you saying the desert could be made of dead people?!😱

[@rhymenoceros3303]

@@gamefan6219 Hey, we don't know how long the train has been doing what it does. And it's not like everyone is willing to change, as this season very clearly demonstrates.

[@henry8426]

One thing I want to say is that no one is irredeemable. Just to say I'm not trying to make his actions just I'm trying to understand them

[@silvercrystal2009]

agreed! im a big fan of the idea that after many many years of amelia slowly grinding down her number, we may finally get to see her go home.

[@VixeyFrost]

People (like Simon) who choose not to be a good person and who are so adamant about being right can be pretty irredeemable. Technically you may be right that anyone can be redeemable, but that doesn’t mean they *will* redeem themselves.

[@drputman8347]

I assumed the gohm's were there to keep passangers from trying to get around carts or get off. I also believe that no one is actually in danger until you hit a point of no return, like Simon did. He went insane, he wasn't a person capable of saving anymore. The others still have sanity and can be "fixed", he didn't so the train couldn't teach him or let him off.

[@MexTech.]

Hey. If the infinity train is an alternate universe type deal. What if Simon didn't die. What if he goes back home but never deals with his problems as the train is suppose to do.

[@Lin-rn3kz]

As much as I loved his death I also really like this idea, though I think it's unlikely.

[@gloomcat3867]

They actually showed someone being melted to death by a large cockroach-dog in a Cartoon show. The absolute madmen. I'm in my 20's and that scared the absolute shit out of me.

[@MarvelDCFan4004]

Hope they can make it to season 8 so that the infinity symbol will be complete but the only way to do that is to get better and better ratings!!!

[@cznyeet6818]

Simon should take some advice from Tuba’s song “Just take it easy-peasy..”

[@Zorro3k6]

When Grace found Simon back in the Apex car, my friend said, "He's Liquid Snake!" It was really funny. Anyway, yeah my jaw dropped when Simon kicked Grace off the car. And then when he got sucked by that ghom... damn... Easily the best season so far and I do hope a book 4 can come as well. This show is too good to end right now.

[@Potato_Harvey]

each book gets darker and darker, but in a way that allows you to understand the problems that the characters are facing, thus giving the story more freedom to tell it's story which i think is awesome

[@garnet4945]

The fact that Simon kinda had a crush and still left her for dead is something... 😂

[@NobodyUndefined]

I like how they say dont watch if you don't want spoilers yet the thumbnail is a spoiler 😵

[@crackpapa_]

I'd like to support HBO Max but can't, because HBO Max is only supported in the US and I don't live in the US. It kind of sucks that I had to watch Infinity Train via pirate sites

[@foshisfosh2120]

Why not use a VPN

[@abbylynn2157]

i was sobbing when hazel learned tuba died. this was by far my favorite season.

[@maran6593]

In all honesty book 3 reminds me of a abusive house hold dynamic, hazel being the child in this scenario. Hazel also shares a lot of features of Simon and grace, her light skin and blond hair even her clothing mirrors accessories the two wore as children. But back to the point, grace is kind of like the mom trying to protect the child from the abusive father while also trying to protect herself or else become a target. Simon being the destructive parent that refuses to change and instead drag the other down with him, I.e killing tuba which to grace was her anchor and only source of comfort in the situation. But in addition to that Amelia is kind of is sort of like the grandparent or foster figure who helped hazel realize that she can’t stay in that harmful environment and instead seek help in a comparably more stable one. Idk either way book 3 hits hard and I can’t wait for book 4.

[@greatcesari]

Season 3 was so emotionally powerful, and I love the risks they took for the better.

[@MrStyro]

Man, this show and Glitch Techs need to be saved. Whose with me?!?

[@frankiethomas2258]

Yes

[@stankyjo]

7:35 LITERALLY MY REACTION TO THIS- LIKE MY JAW LITERALLY DROPPED TOO