Inmotion V12 Vs Ninebot Z10 - What is the evolution since 2018?

[@pridetv]

Z10 looks great with that wide tire. Thanks for the content.

[@MADpack]

Thank you to take the time to send me a message

[@denkor.z]

3:26 what happend on breaking?

[@MADpack]

That's the sound of the wheel and you break hard ;)

[@wheelman6964]

Z10 is a wheel with character, not a relaxing experience, more of an aggressive riding style and that is what makes this wheel unique and so much fun to ride. Center of weight is very low which is great for certain types of trick riding but also very prone to wobbles due to the thick wheel.

[@MADpack]

When you get used to it and you accept the wobbles and you ignore them you can do whatever you want with the wheel

[@wheelman6964]

@@MADpack Agree 100% Need to get back on every now and then on my Z10 to feel the sensations only this euc brings to the table, must admit that a Z10s unpredictability is exciting but sometimes dangerous when you push it over the edge and also disrespect the beast.

[@MADpack]

I always push to the limit and always felt in control but is a wheel that kills your knees

[@wheelman6964]

@@MADpack Let me explain, by pushing the limit I'm talking about finding the over lean limit of a wheel without cutting out, necessary to know your safe cruising speed, first with the stock configuration but eventually after applying the famous EN76 hack which allowed squeezing out, especially for lighter riders, speeds of around 60kmh before having to recover from over-leans. Dealing with bumps and urban transit surprises could get edgy when one is spoiled with the stability of current high speed benchmark eucs.

[@MADpack]

I get you bro I have done more than 4000km on the z10 :)

[@remion4019]

Recently bought yet another z10 while it still avalible. Best wheel on the market still. Even out of the box. With cutted shell to accommodate common 130/60-13 scooter summer/winter tires and 84v 1800wh battery, modded 60kph firmware, FDB0260N1007L fets, improved leds/reflectors and hexpads it is the ultimate machine.

[@MADpack]

The z10 is a cool wheel and for the price is hard to argue the issue is that it is discontinued wheel so is harder and harder to find something. And now the z10 is 84v?!

[@remion4019]

​@@MADpack There is a custom firmware from MRN76, with speed limit raised to 60kph. But it wont increase the maximum power output. So safety wise it is advised to raise the voltage a bit, stock controller could handle 84v just fine. Battery swap could be done with "xiaoxiang" bms and arduino protocol converter from Palachzzz.

[@MADpack]

Thank you for the update bro

[@eucpowa9659]

Airwheel came before Segway and solowheel I believe. I got mine 6-7 years ago-2015

[@MADpack]

Thank you for sharing ;)

[@Cr125stin]

The first self balancing electric unicycle was the Focus Designs SBU that was made commercially available in 2008. It is a self balancing version of a much more traditional sit down unicycle. I remember seeing Adam Savage from myth busters ride one in 2009.

[@Cr125stin]

Solowheel was the first stand up euc like we think of today. They have a patent from 2010. But it was invented about a year before that.

[@joeyfaze2088]

I've had the z10 for about three years and I got to say it's a great writing experience and totally relevant in 2023 one thing I love about it is leaning your whole body when you make a wide tern it's a really great wheel but LOL I agree the trolley handle sucks

[@MADpack]

I get it but when you start riding better wheels you will not want that fighting experience anymore I used to have after 3000km pain on my back of riding it I don’t have anymore jow

[@al-karbawivale1828]

Which one is safer?

[@MADpack]

Safer to ride? What means safer for you? Can be safer in rain per example explain me what you are looking

[@al-karbawivale1828]

@@MADpack Hey! I'm thinking about what gives me the less chance of falling/losing balance? which one has most stability, you know?

[@MADpack]

That’s really relative. Z10 larger tire much less nimble than the v12 much harder to turn in high speed with z10 and z10 is the wheel with more wobbles you need to accept the wobble is part of the ride on the z10

[@al-karbawivale1828]

@@MADpack Oh, Okay. So which high-end airwheel is the safest in 2022? safe and good/long battery

[@MADpack]

Between this 2 is not compatible inmotion v12 obviously :)

[@Hangin_With_Shane]

Hello Madpack, I have been seriously considering an EUC since I purchased my daughters Ninebot S Hoverboard. I was looking into the Z10 since the quality of her Ninebot is excellent and learned as you stated that they stopped making the Z10. I was very much planning on purchasing it as my first EUC. After a lot of research and looking at various aspects of EUCs, I have decided on InMotion's V11 or V12 and can't decide which will be a better choice for a first EUC. My riding will be for fun evening and weekend rides. I plan on riding mainly on a paved Nature trail and through the city streets. I do have quite of few hiking and natural nature trails that I plan to ride on also. With my riding style in mind, would you suggest one over the other? Please share your thoughts and provide any suggestions you may have! Love the videos and content! Keep up the great reviews and work...Thanks!

[@MADpack]

I dont know if you saw this video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/lWq5kKuclLhqkM0 I belive it will help you out. Between the 2 im in love with the v12

[@Hangin_With_Shane]

@@MADpack Awesome, thank you very much!

[@MADpack]

Thank you for taking the time to send me a message

[@Hangin_With_Shane]

@@MADpack I'm loving the Grizzla Pads too! I'm still researching, but really appreciate your feedback and information!

[@MADpack]

Im really happy to connect with you guys

[@BunnyslippersEUC]

A month ago I tried the Z10. I didn't like the riding feel. Turning is not very intuitive.

[@MADpack]

Turning is on the back of the wheel. I motion have some of that sensation but very easy to curve

[@armloumelanson7160]

z10 is great on pave but offroad and on trails quite dangerous because of tire width (wants to traintrack ruts and can pull you where the terrain wants). Also low torque/acceleration because of low voltage (52V) so not high performance like most new wheels. 4inch tire also creates some heavy gyro effect and requires lots of effort to turn at speed (full body) but it is still the meanest/best looking wheel out there and has great waterproofing and range!

[@MADpack]

Range I don’t agree but the rest yes I still have it but I don’t ride it anymore

[@matthewearl9824]

That Z10 tire though...I'm excited I pick up my V12 tomorrow morning.

[@MADpack]

Amazing bro is going to be the hs?!

[@matthewearl9824]

@@MADpack yes. After talking to Inmotion I found that the current unit is going to be the exact same in performance as the future released HS version. The wider wheel base and increase in power will only apply to the HT. If it passes the MOS test it is good to go. Unlike the EX.N, I am not getting the HT version as the small wheel makes it torque’y enough for me. 35 percent grade climb is enough. Also I want the speed to keep up with the Shermans in the group rides.

[@MADpack]

You will love it :)

[@45Parallel.26RUS]

I ride on Z10. The best wheel if you are out of touch with shops and workshops. High-quality assembly, reliability, waterproofing. A bit weak, but quite good for a city. I'm from Russia. Good for all.)

[@MADpack]

I agree with your comment the worst is to find spare parts

[@darekmajchrzak4444]

All parts for the Z10 are available on Aliexpress, as well as wheels with a production date of 2021. This will be my 7th after s2, MCM5, MSP HT, Sherman, 16x, s18. Harley Davidson of all yhe wheels :) Wide tire, different driving characteristics, not too fast and not too slow, pure joy to drive. I am still waiting for the delivery of the s22.

[@MADpack]

Have a great day my friend and thank you to pass bye

[@BennyMartinx]

No experience riding Z10 ou V12. I believe 3 years of EUC turned into an awesome evolution and I’m expecting it will continue so. The downfall will be the prices and the weights. A EUC that weighs 40+ kg and costs at the very least 3000€ has no logic. Some 125cc scooters cost less, have more autonomy, etc. Besides, 40+ kg to transport with almost only one hand… V12 looks amazing to be honest, one of the coolest looking wheels out there right now. Nice little coverage you did here, bro. Big hug.

[@MADpack]

I get you but even if they are heavier a euc is compact and deliver other sensations that a scooter can give you bro.. And weight brings stability and safety

[@BennyMartinx]

@@MADpack agreed but still, EUCs are going to become less practical when the objective is exactly that. Even so, I’d love to try them all 😂

[@MADpack]

I get you but to become a transport and not a toy will never go foward

[@legyroquoi]

Love this video! And I also agree with you. The z10 is still a very fun and still relevant wheel! I use it to teach people, as it's the easier wheel to ride.. Yeah of course has a lot of problems and the V12 and others are superiors in many ways, but man.. the z10.. I want it to last me for the next 10 years😂

[@MADpack]

If younuse it like me just turn it one few times it will last

[@Sock66]

Immediate thought for the Z10, look at the size of that wheel!! Its thicc.. lol Also, that Radio tuning sound (pretty sure its right from Fallout) makes me do a double take every time haha

[@MADpack]

Never played fallout so i cant really tell you. ;)

[@TheGumeni007]

Z10 is a legend!

[@MADpack]

Definitely a wheel out of its time

[@herveaudabram1296]

Bonjour, Comme tu le sais, je suis fan de ma Z10. C’est une roue mythique ! Elle a encore du potentiel par rapport aux autres nouveaux modèles. Hervé

[@MADpack]

Sorry to answer in english but im not so good to write in french. Definitely Begode could learn something with segway

[@frederickoparah1669]

To be honest I'm holding out for the KS20 but if the reviews are negative which I dont think they will be, I will get the V12 although for me I would like a 20" wheel. But V13 and V14 one of them will be a 20" with a range similar to commander... game over

[@MADpack]

V13 will be more than a bigger battery ;)

[@TheDownloader86]

I am not interested at all in Z10. But i really like another "old" wheel. KS 16X is more than 2 years old but it is still amazing wheel. Compare to V12 range is similar, torque is higher, much lighter wheel, better handle, automatic lights.... Also 16X is significantly cheaper. Seems to me still like better "commuter" than V12...

[@MADpack]

Definitely I have to completely disagree with you. The trolley handle after a while starts to have contact problems. Also the mud goes easly to the bottom of the motherboard so you need to constantly check that hole to clean otherwise your motherboard will get hotter. Inner shell seems to be better but mine broke just riding. Torque is you try to accelerate aggressively you will have a cutoff (almost happen to me one time that I came back to it a bit after months without using it and used to ride the gotway MSP). About automatic lights the v12 have automatic lights also... But the 16x have the sensor in front so if you send light to the front sometimes the light stop working because it thinks that is not necessary to be on.. So sorry the 16x is just cheaper and lighter... Ah waterproofing is just a joke the 16x.. The worst i try... After few miles i had no speakers a lot of dust on the inside. I like the riding of the 16x and also have a great battery management but that's it. Will never buy again a 16x now no way

[@legyroquoi]

Lol for me the 16x is the Gotway wheel of kingsong. Nice, zippy and powerful, but bad quality compared to the 18xl or the s18 .

[@MADpack]

Quality of the s18 is also not the best the 18xl is the best from ks