Innova Leopard vs IT vs Roadrunner - Disc Throwdown 8

[@josephfogus6735]

Damn i see you recognized the banshee, so underrated like a firebird for the masses:) also seems like a 3.5-4 glide in my banshee

[@NickCarroll]

Yeah I love that disc. Still in my cart today. I almost never play a round without it, even though I don't use it as much. But I am glad I have it for when I need it. 🙂

[@josephfogus6735]

@@NickCarroll awesome great to hear, and great job on your reviews!

[@evanstanek5838]

You'll never pull me away from the Essence but this seems to scratch that itch for Innova fans and hopefully comes with that widespread availability to easily recommend to newer players, thanks for sharing the comparison!!

[@drewg3087]

Love the Essence got two in the record stamp, want more.

[@LoteDiggity]

Really solid video. Your angle control makes for great comparisons.

[@NickCarroll]

Thank you! I really try to get these on the same lines so people can see how they fly.

[@maxmoore7947]

Good job throwing a variety of release angles on your throws. One small thing I would say is if you’re not adding dialogue in your throws, maybe don’t wear the mic so we don’t just hear you breathing. Great review!

[@NickCarroll]

Yeah most of the time I remove the audio and put in filler music but I wanted to do it this way, but unfortunately the mic moves. I'll fine-tune this in the future or just go back to background audio during the throws. 🙂

[@DaniGirl6]

@@NickCarroll The mic sound makes it sound like you are launching rockets, I didn't mind it at all. Honestly I think this is one area that you are going to get opinions going a millions ways. The louder traffic noises distracted me more, but I am nit picking, editing audio takes time and it wasn't that bothering to be needing to add half an hour of mastering to your editing flow to denoise and mess around if you don't already have a flow to do that quickly. I think I would appreciate a comment on several of the throws on how the wind conditions for that throw are since that is hard for me get from a video, and if you felt like the release was right where you wanted it or if it wasn't. Maybe remark on how forgiving the disc was if your release wasn't exactly how you wanted and how it affected the flight. Little things that is hard for a viewer to know about by watching, or at least newer viewers like me. Maybe experts in the game know all these things just by watching. Not a flood of talking. So many disc reviewers just don't take a breath and it gets overwhelming if you know what I mean.

[@NickCarroll]

@@DaniGirl6 I appreciate the constructive advice and criticism. I will be moving my wireless mic to my cap, which will move it a slight bit farther away, and out of the swing plane. I've been putting it on my label, but it's too close, and sometimes it moves while throwing, which makes the throw and other noises louder during the swing. I'll make a note to lower the volume a tiny bit during the throws themselves. I've watched other channels have this problem, so it's made me more conscientious about it as well. I'm not super chatty, by nature, but I'll make sure to comment more on what I was trying to do, after the fact. I find that if I am saying what I'm about to do, I get distracted with word choice and sometimes it affects me negatively before I swing, because I get to focused on the attempt, and tend to overcorrect. Lastly I'll also make a note on talking more about the wind. I generally wait for calmer days to record, but I can't account for gusts or changes, and that would be helpful to note. Thank you. 🙂

[@zachocracy]

*The IT seemed intriguing!* I use the: - 173/175 Halo Leopard3 Ohn TS _(my favorite disc atm)_ - 175 Star Leopard - 169 Star Roadrunner - 175/165 Halo Teebird3 If I come across it I'll certainly give it a try, but pretty set on what I'm using in the 7-9 speeds. _Either way, interesting video and nice details on the disc!_

[@SquirtHoliday]

I tried a gstar IT for a bit. I threw it maybe twice without it rolling over and both times in a tail wind. Might be good in a different plastic in max weight, or as a roller disc, but the one i got is pretty much unusable for my arm

[@hellowellallen]

Very good and useful video. Nice amount and variations of throws to see exactly what these discs are designed to do.

[@jheiliger]

Good review! Thanks Nick!

[@pbgamble]

Great comparison video Nick 🏆😎👍

[@NickCarroll]

Thank you!

[@serenityinsilence]

I have a champion glow roadrunner and it’s pretty neutral compared to the flight numbers. It flies basically dead straight and is great for hitting gaps. It doesn’t turn over super easily and has very little fade. Since my arm speed has gotten faster, it’s replaced my Valkyrie as my strait disc. The valk now has a lot of turn.

[@discoriented6235]

I have a roadrunner and leopard3 both in star plastic, love them.

[@robertrohwer6965]

Thanks you.... great review. I've been on the fence on trying the IT, but I'm going to give it a try after seeing this video, Regards-- R

[@NickCarroll]

Glad it was helpful! It's a surprisingly good disc. It's nice being able to hyzer flip it, and I get a little more distance with it than I can with my Leopard.

[@eddiek4978]

Great review!

[@Tredwayj]

I found your channel last year while visiting Houston and we met at TC Jester. Your form has gotten much better and I can definitely tell you are putting in work. Keep making great content. Can’t wait to see what color Shawn’s beard is this Halloween. Thanks for the hard work. Not sure if you’ve filmed at Jones Creek Ranch but I recently tried that course at it was a great one. Hope I can bump into you again this year and maybe play a round together.

[@oldcrowcornhole]

I love the Leopard. It's my go to driver for straight shots in the woods. I only throw 300ft max and I can put a pretty good rip on it and it will go s little right before finishing a little left at the end. IT sounds like something to look at if it's basically a little faster and more stable. might be a little better in wind.

[@juiceboxxtm9848]

I’m a brand new player. I bought the Innova new player pack (145g) plus some premium disks in (165g). My best disk by far is the low weight (145g) leopard by far. Is this normal for new players. I was thinking of buying some other DX low weight disks to try out.

[@jrod66ify]

I like your form. I hope I can still sling em when I catch up to your experience level, (nice way to say age haha). Good disc review!

[@NickCarroll]

Yeah it's kinda funny - when I play tournaments I don't enter in MA50 because I'm in that age group - I enter in Novice because that's the level of my play, to lower-level Rec.

[@SmarteeeSteve]

​@@NickCarrollThat's how my scores are! Could be lower, but I just go for everything. No fear of bogey. I don't lay up or play safe. If I'm not first, I'm last. Great throws are more memorable than a number on scorecard

[@NickCarroll]

@@SmarteeeSteve Plus the mood swings of good to bad and good again are more fun! (well sometimes) 😂

[@LoveFineArts]

Thank you.

[@flipflat4814]

I know banshees are rated a speed 7 by Innova but unless they are very flat they fly like a speed 6 disc. I have 4 really flat banshees that are probably 15 to 20 years old, and definitely fly like a 7 speed. My 3 newer banshees from about six years ago definitely fly like a speed 6 and have a lot more dome.

[@mizzougrad001]

Leopard3 is an excellent slow long turnover disc. Great for low ceiling hyzerflip to turn with less possibly to float up and hit the trees as the I.T tends to do. It's also good when the TL3 comes up short or fades too early.

[@NickCarroll]

Yeah I have an FD, TL, and TeeBird for increasing levels of stability, and this IT fits right next to the FD!

[@jaynorris3631]

Bought an it lat weekend. Let my son try it. He threw an ace. Now I need to find another one.

[@NickCarroll]

Nice!

[@alanlundberg4534]

So Nick, what are the statuses of your L3, IT, and RR now?

[@NickCarroll]

None of those 3 are in the bag at the moment. I change to a more tiered system of 6, 7, and 9-speed drivers. So from overstable to understable: 6: Gazelle, Cheetah, Leopard 7: Banshee, Teebird, TL, Hawkeye 9: Firebird, Thunderbird, Dynasty, Sphinx The Cheetah replaces the Leo3. The IT was removed to fit another 9-speed. Roadrunner is replaced by Sphinx

[@alanlundberg4534]

@@NickCarroll Wow! 😃 Showing my age, but I might have to nominate you for the fickle finger of the year award!

[@NickCarroll]

@@alanlundberg4534 yeah all a part of being a disc golf content creator. I can't get glued to anything. Though up to this point I've had a fairly stable loadout for my cart, I've decided this year to allow myself more flexibility. I still primarily throw certain discs the most, but some discs are in edge case slots, so they're interchangeable. 😁

[@bsmithhammer]

I pretty much stopped bagging the Leopard 3 after a few sessions with the IT. I love them both, but the IT does everything the Leopard 3 does, but more so.

[@eristicfreethinker2098]

You got the same stable Roadrunner that I have. 😢 Nowhere near its flight numbers.

[@NickCarroll]

Yeah it's so hard to get that thing to flip and roll over!

[@brettkeepin808]

I’m 58 and very new to disc golf, have the innova putter and just bought the star leopard fairway driver which I love, but need a driver so any recommendations 🤷🏼‍♂️have been looking at the pro Vulcan.

[@NickCarroll]

The Valkyrie is pretty sweet as a 9-speed driver. Surprisingly usable for someone at my reduced throwing speed. Also a Mamba is about the farthest driver I can throw, and Sean uses his religiously, so I recommend that one, too. I would say Star Valk and Mamba, and consider a GStar Mystere as something a little more stable than the Mamba, and I can almost get the same distance with that.

[@drewg3087]

Star beast or star wraith.

[@brannnnnnn]

Get a champion IT