Firearms vs "Health Insurance" - Which one is more dangerous to public health?

[@InrangeTv]

There's quite a few people misunderstanding the idea of "managing your own health" - we're not necessarily talking about self-surgery here. No one said you shouldn't or couldn't work with doctors, but it's on *you* to pursue what is right for you, and insist on what you need - no one else will do it for you. You have to be your own advocate.

[@megaman6710]

There's just so much to research, I have to disagree. Back pain can mean you need to improve your sleep posture, stop lifting heavy things, take a vitamin D supplement, slipped disks, or kidney failure. Leaving it up to yourself can be harmful. Doctors can provide that fuller picture. Saving professional medical care for when things get bad could mean waiting until it's too late for less invasive measures. There's serious harm in "it doesn't feel that bad yet." people get in car accidents and don't feel bad for months, only later discovering they need serious back surgery.

[@InrangeTv]

You clearly have never known anyone or, thankfully, not suffered yourself, at the hands of an indifferent medical industry filled with doctors and nurses who are just checking boxes and don't care. If you don't push for your own solution and to be treated properly, you most frequently will not be.

[@megaman6710]

​@@InrangeTv I believe it's more likely you'll miss out on something when treating yourself than a doctor. Stagnant box checking is a symptom of the overworked for-profit Healthcare system we currently have. See more patients= bill more patients.

[@InrangeTv]

I don't think you're reading my words, or if you are, you're not comprehending them. I'm not saying not to use doctors, but that you still have to be your own advocate.

[@megaman6710]

@InrangeTv I definitely got the impression not to use doctors. And several comments are advocating for alternative medicine. I've never pushed for my own solution at the doctor's before. Myself and other comments seem to be taking it as going against the advice of medical professionals.

[@DoctorBruKhar]

There's also probably some crossover of people who "opted out" by firearm due to having no access to healthcare or medical debt

[@bennyb.1742]

A pretty big cross over. My country brought in euthanasia to cut down on it rather than fix the medical system. Much more affordable just to get rid of us.

[@joshcruzat3112]

According to most health agencies in the United States, firearms are the most likely cause of suicide which probably does have some crossover with what you said unforuntately.

[@nouhorni3229]

Probably easier to opt out when you have a quick way on hand. There's some research indicating that removing easy opportunities like these makes a big difference. That's also the reasoning behind these dystopian nets they wrap around tall buildings in danger zones. Just removing the opportunity saves lives. Not that I like that we need the nets.

[@paulcallicoat7597]

@@nouhorni3229 Stepping into the path of semi truck works as well and I know of more than 2 people that took that route. I know that assisted suicide is ok in washinton and oregon and one brother in law took that route 2 years ago. He always trusted doctors and wouldn't change his diet to save his life.

[@viperscot1]

Yup

[@jonasga]

I consider the medical industry to be my primary health issue.

[@t.f.t.f.8522]

And that's why my votes all went to whoever would put Bernie Sanders closer to the white house. Literally only a handful legislators (sadly, none conservative) want to do anything to make real changes to health care which should not be an "industry." We need to make ourselves heard for that to change.

[@ElChris816]

Simple and 100% accurate. Thank you for this comment.

[@KAPTKRUNCHitize]

And that's a pre-existing condition

Cool, so choose not to use them then?

[@knutdergroe9757]

The Medical industry, Is NOT supposed to be a industry. That is the starting point, Of the REAL problem.

[@wyattr7982]

Miners and factory workers 150 years ago resorted to violence when the bosses wouldn’t budge and now we have the weekend 🤷

[@WastedTalent-]

And the 40 hour work week.

[@asierurteagaaguirre3462]

Imagine what we can achieve if we folow theyr path...

[@denyscpoyner]

Which also gave rise to Pinkerton's. Hired thugs.

[@MRblazedBEANS]

It's a super interesting story too.

[@MRblazedBEANS]

​@@denyscpoynerPinkertons were allready big but that event tied them into the goverment as a make shift federal police force. Anyone that has played red dead redemption 2 knows how bad they were.

[@fuzonzord9301]

It's insane that there was a serial killer walking the streets just like that. This tragedy wouldn't happen if he was in protective custody in a high security prison serving thousands of consecutive life sentences.

[@mgabriel2636]

Serial?

[@SnowTheKitsune]

Most stupid american thing you said...

[@tylerchiu7065]

@@mgabriel2636he made a whole entire company that kills people based on if an ai tells them to or not

[@ValentinoE88]

Guys, he drank the kool-aid. Dude believes the MSM propaganda.

[@boringpolitician]

@@mgabriel2636 - He is talking about Umbrella Corp. from Resident Evil. Nah, I'm just kidding, compared to United Healthcare Umbrella Corp. is a friendly business that had an unforeseen accident. United Healthcare, on the other hand, makes money off of having people die rather than fulfil their obligation.

[@zooblestyx]

Poll: Does this shooting represent a case of the tree of liberty being watered with the blood of a tyrant?

[@philkensebben157]

Perhaps only a single drop. If the system becomes even remotely altered, then it might have been worth it.

[@asierurteagaaguirre3462]

absolutly

[@Caniewaak]

Brother that tree is still thirsty

[@Compulsive_LARPer]

@@Caniewaak Thirsty AF, some may say.

[@northmanlogging2769]

only if that "water" actually makes it to the tree, only time will tell if needed changes occur, granted... if you use a whole bunch of "water" some will ultimately make it where it needs to go.

[@teremleonheart3776]

I am an 18 year old who has been dealing with daily migraines for the past 4 and a half years. Just 2 weeks ago, I finally got an appointment for a specialist after waiting for almost a full year. The specialist prescribed me a once a month medication that I took 2 of as a loading dose, and so far I've felt life-changing results. The downside? It's $700 a dose and my insurance denied coverage. If this is the common experience for millions of Americans, then maybe Luigi should've had a KDR better than 1:0, and maybe the 1,000 or so people that govern our economy/lives should be scared.

[@Proton_Decay]

250 years ago American tyranny looked like the coercive acts, today it looks like gatekeeping through monopolization and financial engineering, and "soft tyranny" like politician-endorsed censorship right here. I just hope the open discussion of this by people who have extreme wealth (e.g. Marc Andreesen) means they will make it better and not change it for tyranny they control instead of the other guy.

[@DeviantOllam]

Absolutely outstanding interview. Bringing the numbers and delivering the truth.

[@DANRP303]

The question of why is never asked, as a European looking at the US I always ask "why would a kid shoot up a school ?" The answer isn't because he had a gun its something deeper than that, the same can be applied to this situation

[@kittytrail]

very interesting links between ssri prescription and intake (and others meds) and school shootings but you won't find much in the public discourse, much less in a public debate... 😒

[@ufc990]

The question of why is almost always asked, you think you're the only one to question people's motives? A little arrogant of you, I'd say.

[@beargillium2369]

​@@ufc990I think they mean the media never really asks or cares

[@PBVader]

@@ufc990 smoothbrain. All it takes is some retrospection and introspection, unless you were raised by a strong empowered perpetual victim single mother, then I would say you have not yet recovered from her MKUltra experiment and have no standing in the octagon.

[@deesnutz42069]

@@ufc990 no it isn't. because the question is always "why... why do we have access to guns I've been conditioned to fear?"

[@DaMedicWhoSezNi]

The funny part about focusing on the gun is that in the situation in the video he would have also done fine even with a kitchen knife and we can’t exactly regulate those.

[@LolTollhurst]

It could be done with a spoon. It could be done by a big piece if string. It could be done with two hand, a fist, or a foot. Tools are only tools. Why they get put to use is the thing worth thinking about

[@TheOlsonOutfit]

Meanwhile in England...

[@irysh9]

If a bit of string can be regulated as a machine gun, the knives don't stand a chance.

[@Dahnyulll]

the uk has regulated the hell out of kitchen knives. you need an ID to buy silverware and having literally anything on you that could be a stabbing or slashing weapon is arrestable. theres at least one video on youtube of a maintenance man getting treated like a gangster because he had a screwdriver.

[@demomanchaos]

He could have done it with a candlestick in the observatory

[@jameslopez9661]

Healthcare is crazy I had a uncle who killed himself over cancer and left me a niece since he didn't want to be a financial burden by throwing money away on his life

[@-_-----]

Most cancers are easily treatable with fairly unremarkable measures; The last three elderly generations were programmed with 'fear of cancer' - along with a mountain of deliberately-misleading technical misinformation - in order to harvest them in their waning years for their vast amounts of accrued wealth.

[@BigBADSTUFF69]

the biggest transfer of wealth is happening right now, it will be from the boomers to the healthcare industry.

[@coaxill4059]

That's nothing short of tragic. I also had an uncle who shot himself presumably for similar reasons but he didn't leave a note or confide in anyone to my knowledge. I feel that our healthcare system is bad enough on its own but combined with the American culture of extreme individualism, many of us feel it isn't right to seek any kind of medical help. It's understandable given how devastating the financial burden is, combined with the lack of other services like social workers.

[@joebob3719]

I dunno, judging by the fact that insurers backed off of limiting anesthesia, id say guns are a public health boon

[@nasonguy]

For how long though? My money is on them waiting a few months, maybe a year before very quietly pushing this through again.

[@Pavlos_Charalambous]

Then you know what lesson would be needed to be repeated 😉​@@nasonguy

[@KarstRats]

@@nasonguyand then it will happen again. And again. And again. Until they stop trying.

[@Lonzo993]

At the very least he was armed with a can do attitude

[@mrkeogh]

3d printed can do attitude, it seems 😉

[@kittytrail]

😏👌

[@someoneelse745]

Maximum effort! 😊

[@GlassFoxGear]

As income inequality gets worse it would not surprise me if this becomes more common. Especially since it seemed like the alleged suspect more or less got away with it for over a week and let himself be found. The NYPD costs 10 billion dollars a year and they just lost him.

[@Tojeaux_]

The shooter caused every Healthcare insurance company to pull their executives list off the internet and they're all now paying out the ass for security teams similar to what techbro CEOs are doing. People like Zuckerberg, Musk, and Gates dont go anywhere without 10 guards and having pre-screened public events. But a substack post i read actually made a better prediction, the fact that at the same time 2 little girls were killed by a shooter in a church while the UHC Ceo was assassinated but it the news never broke out of california will inspire people to go "big game hunting" instead of conducting mass shootings for attention rather than for any politically coherent reasons. While i dont think billionaire CEOs should be a thing or even millionaire ceos, i just find that such a tragic way to get mass shootings down, if that prediction comes to pass.

[@Varadiio]

The other possibility I've seen is that he intended to hit more. One-and-done's similar to his, definitely harder to find.

[@nigeh5326]

As income inequality rises the rich will employ more security and travel in bulletproof limousines. It won’t be too long before Elon Musk and his ilk will be protected by former Special Forces guys armed with fully automatic weapons and even if they open fire on the wrong people they will be protected by a legal system where being rich gives some in effect a ‘get out of jail free card’

[@wurfyy]

There's also some fairly compelling reasons to think that the guy they got was a patsy.

[@triumphant39]

Didn’t they say he had 12,000$ dollars on him? If that’s the case, even just that alone makes him a lot more equal than many Americans.

[@Dagh1]

I've never seen a more american youtube-title than this.

[@CptJistuce]

Yeah. American healthcare is DIRE.

[@jameslopez9661]

If breaking bad was set in Canada

[@stripedassape8148]

American shotgun guy go! get sum!

[@BigBADSTUFF69]

FREEEEDUUUMMMBBB

[@otm646]

​@@CptJistuce I'm not being nitpicky here, you really need to separate the US medical insurance business from the healthcare system. The American healthcare system is the best in the world. If you're seriously injured, that's the place to be. The insurance side is where the problems occur.

[@DePrettoAuto-farm]

On the topic of “trusting the healthcare industry”, I as a young man in the workforce have carpel tunnel in my wrists, the specialist I saw gave me the option of a cortisone shot or surgery. For months now I have seen a licensed massage therapist and my pain is practically gone, or should I say manageable. Massage therapy isn’t covered by healthcare, at least mine. Due to me taking matters into my own hands I’m able to begin healing naturally and keep my body in good shape to hopefully never need major surgery or pills in my later years. It’s just such a shame

[@ZealothPL]

Look up repeated strain injury. You're about to be permanently disabled in a few years

[@viperscot1]

Hi Believe it or not in the UK we have physiotherapy (as I also suffer from CT ) That made the massage therapist free as part of treatment plan Hope it continues to work for you

[@lrock48]

I think you probably could've done better if the specialist sent you to physical therapy (which was covered by most insurance, not sure if your massage therapy is similar). I had a sprained ankle 8 years ago which wasn't healing after 6 months and my body was starting to adjust my posture to compensate for the pain, and by going to physical therapy, the therapist taught me enough principles to understand what is causing the pain and what to do to fix it, I haven't had a recurring pain since, and the same exercises and stretches helped significantly for my plantar fasciitis too. I still occasionally take physical therapy for other issues, sadly that great therapist moved to another location that is not feasible for me to schedule my appointments there.

[@jmcr71795]

In the late 1980s, one of my brothers (9 years older than me) immigrated to the US, mainly because of the gun laws and warm weather, and worked in his profession as a Lineman. In 2005, he was in a motorcycle accident where he discovered his employer's healthcare didn't cover all the surgeries he needed, leaving him unable to work, needing more surgeries to be able to work, and over $80,000 in dept. He tried to come back to Canada, as he could get the surgeries, but couldn't stand the cold so moved back to California. In 2009, he ended his suffering with his .375.

[@InrangeTv]

I'm very sorry to hear that, thank you for sharing that with the audience. It's important for people to realize how real this problem is.

[@JohnSmith-x3y8h]

Medical expenses are a major factor in bankruptcy in the US.

[@tfcooks]

And suicide sadly.

[@kittytrail]

first cause of personal bankruptcies iirc... 😑

[@richardprice5978]

i keep saying poverty's kills more people , but i couldn't easily look/google the number/% vs gun/car deaths or old ageing ect and this was around 2019era it's still trying hard with me and or got super close 3 time's ( starvation and or homeless ect and or divorced and or DV-on-male yes it happens ) beforehand and that's not self-deleting tryouts

[@demomanchaos]

Filed bankruptcy due to a $70,000 ride that was forced on me due to the local ER being an absolute mess on top of refusing to let my dad drive me down to the bigger hospital to fix a broken arm.

[@KAPTKRUNCHitize]

The most common cause of bankruptcy in the US is medical debt

[@bosewicht2389]

Plus, how many of them use a gun to unalive themselves after being denied?

[@R1NR4N]

I will always stand by the idea that freedom and liberty can't be achieved without good health. Thank you for creating a space for thoughtful discussion.

[@tfcooks]

UHC was up to a lot of shady 💩in addition to just being a really bad insurance company.

[@TheSilverWolf1998]

I see beauty in how much class consciousness and solidarity this situation has brought out in the people.

[@chipChipperson202]

I cant 3d print my health care....yet

[@abnmp7865]

Australia in the 80s put emphasis on mental health to lower the suicide rate. It dramatically dropped long before the gun law passed after the Port Arthur massacre in 1996. Their suicide continues to decline because of MH, not gun control. The suicide rate is also a Medical issue.

[@bosewicht2389]

The media made a thing about him being „professional“ the way he used the gun as if it is so uncommon to handle a gun when living in the USA. A good portion of citizens are proficient in using a handgun, at least the very basics

[@stripedassape8148]

yeah you point it and pull the trigger surprising how many can't figure that out😅

[@j.trades9691]

NBC made a stink about him having played Among Us; the media as a whole was just grasping at whatever they could find to try and paint him in the worst light they could, really.

[@philkensebben157]

Unfortunately, I don't think the actual statistics represent this. The shooter was proficient in clearing jams (he really shouldn't have had to deal, but I'm guessing he was using subs that couldn't cycle the slide), and providing follow up shots while a witness was moving just beside. The shooter was trained. It is rather uncommon for most gun owners in the U.S. to have that kind of training mentality; the likelihood that they would have panicked at the first jam and the witness running inside would be high, even for those that shoot their guns regularly.

[@downrangefuture6493]

So he took a week long (at most) class. It doesn’t take long for clearing a jam to become automatic. Being cool under stress isn’t a firearms specific skill and can be learned anywhere. “The Emergency Mind” by Deworkis MD/PHD is a good book on the topic.

[@j.trades9691]

NBC made a thing about him being dangerous because he played Among Us.

[@PacificAirwave144]

How can anyone make $10M a year...for getting off the potty, and saying 'yeah, we'll go with that' to his advisers?! Great video!

[@Fastwinstondoom]

Epitome of a leech.

[@umjackd]

I'm not a big fan of the pseudo-libertarian (or in this case, I guess anarchist) idea that we can just "take care of our own health." There are health complications far beyond what any of us are individually capable of handling and that's why larger society and community exists, so that we can collectively help each other. It's a lot more about the fact that health is up for profit in the US. I live in Poland and there's a lot to be improved about the local healthcare system but it is not making billions of dollars of profit from letting people die.

[@autobootpiloot]

There is a cultural difference between Europe and the us. In most of Europe we prefer the safety of unity even if we don’t use it. In Europe your problem is also my problem and my problem is your problem. We stand strong together. Somehow in the us this doesn’t exist. Why pay for someone else’s problems if you don’t have that problem (yet)? Same with safety. In Europe safety is when nobody dies, in the us safety is when you don’t die. Hence the super large vehicles. It’s all about individual freedom and individual rights. As a European it’s very hard to grasp. And I think Americans think the same about the European way.

[@ramblingrenegade6346]

​@@autobootpilootironic considering the US pushed forward such expressions as "united we stand, divided we fall"

[@BigBADSTUFF69]

@@autobootpiloot yeah we still live on the "Frontier" in our minds but the reality is that even if it's not official, we still pay for healthcare collectively, so many people don't have adequate insurance but still get treatment, guess who pays? it's unavoidable, we are a collective whether people admit it or not.

[@Proton_Decay]

I think what they're trying to say is to be medically-literate so you can simply understand what's happening as opposed to blindly following advice. That failure to differentiate between literacy of the science and buying into quackery is a problem in this video, I pointed it out shortly after they posted it but it looks like my comment got deleted. Hooray for KZbin censorship.

[@BigBADSTUFF69]

@@Proton_Decay covid proved that the general public is incapable of being medically literate, it's why we need educated people with experience to be giving guidance. It's certainly not perfect but overall it's a net positive compared to just winging it with health.

[@marmite8959]

Brit here. The NHS is a complete shambles and there are thousands of people dying every year from neglect and lack of service under our healthcare system. That being said, I'm still extremely grateful we don't have the US' privatised system. Poor healthcare for most people is better than no healthcare for poor people.

[@Kstang09]

We can't have that here. Capitalism baby! Can't regulate anything! It's the republican way 👍

[@mattm3023]

Healthcare has always been an issue I struggle with. Im normally very opinionated but I dont know the answer. I dont believe in giving government total power over healthcare, and definitely don't believe the government can be competent/efficient enough to do it right. Yet of course privitized healthcare is a disaster as well. I think the real answer is incredibly nuanced and I unfortunately dont see that level of nuance being worked out in my lifetime

[@BigBADSTUFF69]

we have the same shit but we pay way more for it. It's also because your politicians have dismantled it. It totally can work but it's hard when there are people in gov actively trying to tear it down.

[@BigBADSTUFF69]

@@mattm3023 government vs private companies which one is worse? It's definitely the private companies because they have no accountability to the public and have to operate at a profit. Publicly owned has a lot of upside.

[@tiikkifi]

Who is more interested on your health than yourself. Many times the ones who love you...

[@bennyb.1742]

Incoming stricter laws about 3D prints and suppressors, and looser laws for the insurance companies.

[@larry648]

Well, look at the number of death for malpractice and medical mistakes. Up to 400,000 deaths and 1.5. million non fatal injuries per year. That’s ten time more than firearms.

[@samuelkoebbe5638]

Thanks to both of you for all the good work that you do. You rock.

[@V3RTIGO222]

The "why" is the biggest thing we should be concerned with that nobody addresses... pro-gun or anti-gun people (and related content creators) never address the human factor which is arguably the most important one. Why were people assassinating XYZ individual, why are people arming themselves and going on shooting sprees? Why are people angry with the government, with healthcare, or society? Why are people afraid, angry, or hopeless?

[@SaintLoser314]

I appreciate yours and Dr. Laufers perspectives Karl. He could’ve done what he did with a pocket knife, the weapon is beside the point. This event should highlight the glaring flaws in our system and until things change this stuff will keep happening

[@mattatat1138]

What system exactly? Because the government is balls deep in everything involved with "healthcare"...

[@triumphant39]

Your takeaway from this should be that anything can happen at any time. There’s nothing stopping someone from killing if that’s what they resolutely decide to do. It can never be another way unless you want extreme levels of surveillance and police reaction akin to judge dredd or something. What would have been different any other place, any other time? Nothing at all. The issue here is the state of psychological health in this country, and the acceptance or normalization of political violence. Even the concept of hating someone simply because of their political opinion or beliefs should be considered unacceptable, but alas, it clearly isn’t.

[@BigBADSTUFF69]

@@mattatat1138 well the government doesn't control pricing in a meaningful way, doesn't control the denials, doesn't prevent capitalism from having it's effects on healthcare and prevent it from being a for profit industry. The bad parts aren't coming from government, in this case.

[@____________________519]

@@mattatat1138 Thank you! Literally every comment I've seen bemoaning this situation conveniently ignores what actually drives the price of healthcare. Costs didn't start skyrocketing beyond what people could pay until the 1970's, 10 years after the government decided to embed themselves in the industry via medicare. Between the adminstrative infrastructure required to facilitate the government spending, and the industry being able to charge for everything based on what the government can pay, it's infuriating that all of the blame gets shoved onto insurance. Not that insurance is blameless in the system, especially not after the ACA guarantees them bailout money, but so many people are completely ignorant on this that it's appalling.

[@iflycentral]

This message needs to be amplified. The sickcare system that is in cahoots with the cheap poisonous food supply system and the pharmaceutical industry needs to be exposed. Great video!

[@The_Privateer]

When asking about which one, our healthcare system or firearms, is more dangerous. The answer is obvious: Healthcare is more dangerous to 90% of the population - the people with the least autonomy. Firearms are more dangerous to the upper 10% that are wealthy enough to make the decisions and rules of who gets firearms and who doesn't The 'authority class' makes the rules. So that the lower 90% are prohibited from retaliating, resisting, or doing anything other than simply submitting. Because of that, you and no one else's logical arguments or statistics matter. The classic, being told something by your parents - and you ask why - and they answer with "Because I am your parent and I say so". Why are "Ghost Guns" bad? "Because I said so".

[@Chernochegger]

Almost 900k! Its great to see your channel grow

[@PetuniaOnDaBeat]

This is why I love InRange SOLIDARITY FOREVER

[@trailblazingfive]

Came for the boom sticks, stayed for the philosophical conversation. I'm so happy and grateful that I can enrich my understanding of the world with minds of people like Karl or his friend Michael.

[@charlescoisman2176]

You guys nailed it with the “Trash gun” talking point

[@matthewhorrigan5848]

Karl, you are a gem.

[@sergiom9958]

As a European, it really blows my mind to see a US Govt that has military worldwide or expends billions on non sense projects but there is no real and efective universal health cover. Yet, some people claim that responsible gun ownership is “a problem”.

[@Swedishmafia101MemeCorporation]

B-b-but universal healthcare is LITERALLY communism!

[@billynomates920]

don't think that europe has money to spend on universal healthcare because america has seen to it that we europeans aren't allowed to spend it on defence in case we start squabbling again and mrs ryan has to send more of her sons? in a way that might *be* uncle sam's healthcare policy! 😁

[@jabezhane]

What annoys me as a European is we get told "well your healthcare is enabled through the US defence spending!" Like thats not psychotic? As a European I dont know anyone here that's asking the US to spend $900 billion a year to have bases here in Europe. I'd rather they shut those bases and spend the saving on mental healthcare, infrastructure and job programs back home. Don't blame us Europeans for you not having healthcare. Start looking for who it is that is really asking for all that to be spent.

[@janzahalka9096]

​@@jabezhane I, for one, do hope that USA will maintain its presence here in Europe. We are unable to rationally take care of our own defense. That being said, this is rather false dilemma, I do believe US have enough funds going around for both military and Healthcare. It seems the current state benefits certain business cliques with enough political influence, which does not spell reasonable solution, sadly...

[@sergiom9958]

@@janzahalka9096 defend Europe against who? Because since the end of WW2 (and I am not even getting into to the origins of it) the only threats to Europe have been the far left t3rror groups; the Gladio style operations and the mass waves of migrants caused almost exclusively by US interventions in the Middle East.

[@Dang_Near_Fed_Up]

Excellent point about insurance companies causing more deletions than 2A tools do. But so do cars for that matter. Yet we NEVER hear about banning even the most dangerous of those.

[@jabezhane]

I think this guy will have an "accident" before it goes to trial. It will be too embarrassing for the corporate and political class.

[@ronbdallas]

Very good in-depth assessment of the underlying issues. Few people realize that your health insurance determines what you pay for medical care, not your doctor or medical center. Your insurance company decides what procedures are covered, and, what you pay, not your doctor!

[@klegdixal3529]

purposeful omitting of the social context is something that strikes me every time there's a school incident in the US. as far as what the guy used this time - he apparently expected the weapon not to cycle. if one knows how a can works then all they need is a plumbing store around and a half decent workshop in the garage.

[@kiratyrrell3033]

I'm a trans woman in America and I'm SO CLOSE to being able to get bottom surgery, and all I have to do is ... go through the insurance system with three different letters from doctors and therapists telling insurance I'm not insane for doing this so that they'll consider paying for it, because it's so crazy expensive that I could never afford it on my own. There's so many difficult hurdles thrown in the way of gender affirming care here, and even then it's one of the best countries in the world for trans healthcare (*if you can afford it.)

[@theNoogler88]

One note on the assassination of Heidrich: Halik Kochanski contends in his book, Resistance, that the assassination and fallout was important in that it set in stone the growing international sentiment that the Nazi regime was barbaric and needed to be destroyed, while also aligning the British government in support of a free Czech state post war. This sentiment should not in any way belittle the human cost of the reprisals, but as much as possible honor their unwitting and tragic sacrifice.

[@Valeriya117]

Thank you both for having the courage to speak the truth

[@Joe5561000]

Those numbers, number of gun deaths vs. The number of denied claims causing death, should be published and made easily accessible.

[@Jesses001]

I am really glad that my body fell apart when it did. I was able to get TONS of surgery, replacing all kinds of things. Most of my spine is new even. I had a lot of debt, but I was able to pay it off. If I fell apart that bad now, there is no chance I could afford to get the fixing I needed. Lucky timing for me as most of the fixes have a 30 year warranty. I find discussion about gear fun. I love going over set-up on what people used for this and that. I am aware though, that my enjoyment of the gear talk is not the important part. Knowing what gear a French Resistance fighter used only allows us a small bit of why the French needed resistance fighters.

[@birdie021]

Something not mentioned that I think is important, a lot of those gun suicides are also at the hands of our healthcare industry and it's failure to provide mental healthcare.

[@InrangeTv]

Absolutely. The mental health crisis in the US is very under considered and a real problem.

[@EchoMirage]

This is one of the most thoughtful and interesting discussion I've seen in a while, thanks for sharing!

[@ashtonackerman9246]

I've had several family members (including my mother) have their treatment stopped by these unofficial death panels that call themselves insurance. The media's coverage of this has been incredibly tone-deaf, as they can't seem to understand why millions of people support this guy. Watching the C-suite folks squirming after seeing the online reaction to this has been very entertaining.

[@Schwarzvogel1]

I am sorry to hear about your family members' plight. Still, I couldn't help but note the irony of these "death panels" you mention, because the last time I heard that term was years ago--I want to say during the 2004 election cycle, during one of the perennial debates over the benefits and downsides of the US figuring out what every other civilized nation on Earth has figured out and implementing a working single-payer healthcare system. "Death panels" were an allegation levied by those opposed to a single-payer healthcare system, and were cited as a reason to keep the current shambolic status quo. The irony is that our current system DOES have death panels, whereas that generally is not the case in nations with single-payer healthcare systems, like everywhere else in the world.

[@Swedishmafia101MemeCorporation]

Won't somebody please think of the poor, poor insurance CEOs?

[@mattatat1138]

You realize that the government has been balls deep in everything related to "healthcare" for 10+ years right?

[@Orangejulius8]

The super-high denial rate company is Humana. Quite a few providers are rejecting Humana insurance because of billing trouble when Humana rejects so many claims. Their stock collapsed this year due to so many of their Medicare Advantage plan star ratings fell off, which directly correlates to the rebates and bonus payments the company will receive from the US Government. Expensive healthcare is a wider problem than just insurers. Healthcare staff (Doctors, practitioners, well qualified nurses) have seen wage increases far past inflation over the past 5 years because there's a general shortage of qualified medical staff post Covid. Everyone's wages slowly go up over time, but healthcare staff is outpacing that rate dramatically.

[@ZeroTooL88]

I just want everyone to know Luigi Mangioni was playing cards with me that night.

[@drive2xs]

Skill, Desire & Will met at the round about of Opportunity, Capability & Intent. Excellent evaluation and takeaways, gentlemen.

[@AniwayasSong]

My .02 on it- Firearms can prevent you from being harmed. Healthcareless System(s) have zero incentive to keep you alive/well. Treat each accordingly.

[@Darryl1963D]

Excellent conversation, well done. Respect from Australia

[@daemon.mythos]

Seeing as my emergency medical bills in only 5 years was $14+ Million....I think I might have an idea...

[@shrekneutron1587]

Hoooollly shit dude, what the heck happened with ya if ya don't mind my asking? I had an open tib fib fracture and two torn arteries and my bill was like $500k and I also just got my NREMT so I'm very curious as to what would cause that

[@shooteveryday1841]

6:06 the amount of let’s say…’ empathy’ with the shooter across the Internet is a glaring sign that justice is broken in this country.

[@xFlow150]

In my opinion both conversations are worth having, i.e. firearms and healthcare. However, you make good points in the video and nuance the discussion further.

[@adonoghuea02]

In all honesty, I don't think we are going to find twelve honest people who will all agree to convict him

[@509Gman]

Ime they weed out the honest people in selection.

[@Varadiio]

I heard one juror already showed up with a Luigi beanie. They're sold out on Amazon.

[@modarkthemauler]

@@Varadiio Legends, the lot of them.

[@kittytrail]

now if only potential jurors were to learn about "jury nullification" all over the US of A, that would be quite an interesting development... 😼👆

[@maverick9708]

Never underestimate a the ability for a jury to dissapoint or confuse

[@Arantonak]

And when I tell people that I don't have health insurance, they look at me like I'm nuts.

[@northmanlogging2769]

there are so so many topics just in the first 1/2 of this conversation, that should be talked about on a national level, guns vs violence, suicide vs murder vs murder by police vs actual murder, weapons vs attachments, the Fuggin insurance industry as a whole, both medical and various liability insurances.

[@pmgn8444]

Excellent conversation. Still waiting for the over-hyped media coverage to start mis-reporting on the suppressor and how it was obtained. Once when having trouble with a medication and insurance coverage, I told the pharmacy I'd pay for it myself. The pharmacy staff was utterly confused and bewildered by that. They didn't know how to do so without insurance. Insurance got cleared up quickly, but it still annoys me that paying without insurance wasn't possible.

[@iamtoast3397]

The shooter 100% found a different way to interface with the insurance industry!

[@Coconut-219]

"the universal language which governments and businesses understand"

[@myparceltape1169]

Two days after the incident I started getting YT adverts for a credit card sized folding concealable 6-shot revolver. For self defence. Aimed at a country where handguns are not permitted.

[@Full_Otto_Bismarck]

Regardless of how one feels about firearms, discourse focusing on the assassin's weapon and current or proposed regulations relating to it are a distraction from the much more important issue. Edit: I know that's basically what you are saying, I just needed to vent

[@Varadiio]

We should be hammering the media's phone lines, emails, whatever. They are playing games with the news, with the truth.

[@martinbarba7689]

The same model of pistol used to kill the archduke, was used by Ms. Kaplan to shoot Lenin, the reasons of his death are arguably related to that shoots

[@Logoscyth]

I have a friend who's fairly high up in the UHG/UHC umbrella. He told me recently that with the infrastructure UHC has, it could be nationalized tomorrow and handle claims and payouts for nearly the entire US population. The ruling class needs to be reminded where their profits come from, and what the consequences of not redistributing their spoils are.

[@eargesplitten9876]

Health insurance industry bad man. I've been on good health insurance, bad health insurance, and medicaid. Medicaid was about as much of a pain to use as the good health insurance while covering about the same amount, with only slightly more difficulty getting care, and it gets about 20% as much funding per capita as the premium for my good health insurance cost. The amount of money that goes into the claims process is obscene, every health insurance company wants the same form filled out slightly differently so they can bounce back claims as denied and hope the doctor just gives up and sends the whole bill to the patient.

[@fullmetaflak]

God bless this channel and your guys' serious conversation about the horrors of the healthcare et al

[@TecHippy]

The logical conclusion to the the Gun care and health controll paradigm.

[@shaivong]

Can I hang out with you guys and get hammered and talk about structural political failures?

[@CatmanFS]

Can I also?

[@crackthefoundation_]

Great video, cheers guys. This issue isn't left or right.. It's up and down.

[@r0guestorm964]

Excellent points that everyone should be aware of and consider.

[@TJtheShooter]

Very refreshing to common sense on full display in this conversation. If only our leaders were like this.

[@gregcampwriter]

Healthcare is one sector of the economy in which some variety of socialism works. Every other developed country has universal care systems, and the cost per capita--note what per capita means--is lower, while the health outcomes are better.

[@WhatIfBrigade]

I know US unions and the GOP don't want healthcare disconnected from jobs, however France has a 70% govt/30% private model that costs 5% less GDP (equal to the entire US military spending) and the French live FIVE years longer. Americans pay higher prices and higher taxes for terrible health care. Entrepreneurs in France have health care. French KZbinrs have health care. I've lived in both systems, and US health care is garbage. The US has health care like Russia has freedom of speech. It doesn't.

[@Matt-md5yt]

Love how you handled this topic that happened.

[@Vilamus]

Even in the UK's NHS, researching what is up with you and the available options is always a good idea. People with cronic conditions end up being expert patients anyway.

[@neilkratzer3182]

Healthcare and health insurance is more dangerous than guns. The government released stats that at least 250,000 to upwards to 400,000 die from just malpractice. Think about that.

[@tinkerjae]

Never thought I'd see 4TVC on a gun tuber channel but I am definitely not opposed to it. Great video y'all.

[@InrangeTv]

Matchlocks vs Flintlocks & How Hong Kong became British kzbin.info/www/bejne/rmrEcqx-bpt7ns0

[@corporalpunishment1133]

I watch In Range TV it's not political and being justice oriented, but If you step outside your firearms oriented universe nobody is talking about the gun. Everyone from everywhere are venting their frustrations about the state of the so-called "health care system" and sharing their stories about bad experiences and the greed of health insurance companies.

[@jeromethiel4323]

I can personally testify that it's easier to get health care in CA if you are uninsured. If you ARE insured, they want to charge you 6K for a less than 15 minute visit, no drugs prescribed, i was in and out in less than a half hour total, including paperwork. Not paying 6K for that. But what do you expect when you need to pay for all the uninsured people? That's exactly what's happening. Health care is wealth re-distribution on a massive scale.

[@ivymike2691]

It has since come out that a 3D printer was used. If you've been interested in getting a 3D printer, I would do it now before this is used to justify making them require a license.

[@MyMillionMeterLife]

So every year more than a Vietnam war of civilians are dying from a lack of medical insurance while “migrant crime” is likely causing nearer a 9/11 (~4000) politics and priorities. Thanks for elevating this and putting it in perspective and let’s work on all of it and assign resources in a logical, balanced and measured way with some kpis and metrics along the way for course corrections. We are capable of multitasking and prove it every day at home we should be able to expect that of our systems that measure and impact mortality. Watching the British struggle with knife crime also gives some perspective. It isn’t the tool it is the condition of the operator, change that and they won’t be reaching for the tool.

[@iPig]

Great topic. Lots of wisdom nuggets in this one.

[@gfarrell80]

Medical sector extraction is an unsustainable bubble. Medical sector has ballooned to approximately 20% of GDP, up from just 5% 70 years ago. Most of it spent on people who don't provide actual medical care. And big pharma spends more on *advertising* than they do on actual research and development. It is an absolutely insane way to deliver healthcare.

[@wyattr7982]

Ironically Universal Healthcare would have saved Thompsons life

[@donkeysunited]

Well said, guys. It will be in the interest of some groups to muddy the waters so much that people lose interest in what happened. The only way to bring change is to keep remembering what happened and why. Keep it topical, keep it in people's minds. Don't let it fade.

[@andrewdecker2919]

I really appreciate this conversation. I always wonder the why. Thank you for opening that up

[@lorax8172]

I was waiting for a video like this to drop, because it is so obvious.

[@Casperski1312]

How is it not immediately obvious that the solution to the healthcare crisis is universal healthcare? The data is already out there from decades of European countries having excellent health outcomes at a significantly lower cost than we have here in the states. Putting the blame on the individual is intellectually lazy at best when the problem is systemic. Putting aside the sheer unlikelihood that most of the people that need to learn how to take their health into their own hands (as you say) will ever learn how to on their own, how realistic is it to expect a bunch of overworked, exhausted, unhealthy, poor Americans will be able to follow through with the plan? And of course we haven't even gotten to the significant population of people that are unhealthy for reasons outside of their own control. Assuming that the moral here is "people need to help themselves" will leave those unable to do so squarely in the same position they're already in - bankrupted by greedy corporations and dying of treatable illnesses. We need to dismantle the healthcare system and build it again from the ground up to serve the people rather than a bunch of parasites.

[@Casperski1312]

If you want to look at this from a selfish point of view, keep in mind that every person that receives medical care but then cant pay for it will raise the prices for everyone else in turn so the medical providers can recoup their losses. If we weren't paying the bloated salaries of the executives and funneling money to shareholders in the form of buybacks, that money would go to keeping the cost of healthcare low for all of us. Universal healthcare would allow that.

[@Nikko_Suave]

This ought to be a wake-up call and an inflection point in history where we ask ourselves how we got to this point. Any discussion of the means by which the act was perpetrated is an obfuscation that distracts (whether deliberately or not) from the more important question. For this incident to be used to justify further disarmament of the populace while the system that precipitated the event remains intact would be a travesty.

[@Joe5561000]

It has come out sense this video that the gun was a 3D printed gun. It's likely that the suppressor was also 3D printed, but it's certainly possible that it was a "fuel filter" suppressor. Both are already strictly illegal in New York.

[@romanace3432]

As someone who is disabled, health insurance because they screw up constantly whenever I need a new medication. Oh we have to wait like 3 days for the medication that I need because of some bs that we made just to make crap harder for no reason other than to save money.

[@BigBADSTUFF69]

you should file complaints with your state board, I've done that many times on Kaiser when they dick around. All of a sudden I get what I need it's crazy.

[@Tabbasco2012]

Interesting video. Thanks for the perspective