INSANE $400 China e-Sports Mega-Switch with 2.5GbE and 25GbE

[@jeremyjedynak]

Great find! I think its inevitable that STH will commission/kickstart the manufacture of a line of consumer-friendly-priced managed and unmanaged high-speed (2.5+ GbE) switches, running open source software. One day soon, we will receive related switch firmware update notifications that start with "THIS is Patrick from STH ..."

[@chenseanxy]

A lot of the Chinese netcafes uses stuff like pxe and iscsi to eliminate the need for drives (& drive failures) in every system (also ensures you get a clean os image everytime a customer boots up) Previously some them were using 10g solutions, but with the rise of 2.5g built-in to mobos, stuff like this could really save a lot in terms of costs Also because of this, most of the traffic is gonna go between the 2.5g and uplink ports, and not between the 2.5g ports themselves, thus a lower tier chip is usually not gonna be an issue since the uplinks are the bottlenecks here. (Plus the overall low utilization factor)

[@ServeTheHomeVideo]

Super points. We still wanted to see what a saturated performance view would be since we had a port and switching capacity mismatch.

[@kcsim]

@@ServeTheHomeVideo hi do you have the link to the switch? I’ve been searching on Taobao but can’t seem to find it

[@SB-qm5wg]

Good point.

[@WilliamJasonSherwood]

@@ServeTheHomeVideo I do think given the context of this device, being able to saturate the whole switch is probably asking too much. Anything above 60% performance is 'acceptable', 80% is good, 100% would be exceptional.

[@PsRohrbaugh]

This is good information and makes a lot of sense.

[@WayneMcCormick]

If it is meant for only the Chinese market it is interesting to note that the GUI/mgmt interface and the silk screening on the motherboard is all in english.

[@slycordinator]

Wouldn't be surprised if the reseller is having them flashed with English firmware for overseas users

[@tbard]

It also has the China Export logo on it (the one that looks like the CE one but with the letters just a bit too close to confuse people)

[@classicrockman90]

Patrick a tip to make those stacked area plots you show of all the ports more informative would be to switch to a box and whisker plot. That would allow you to easily see the bandwidth variation for each port (width of the box) as well as compare ports to see if some aren't running at their rated speeds. Looks like these plots are made in Excel which has a box and whisker plot type.

[@pleger]

Just a heads up... the firmware is just MicroSemi / Microchips reference SDK, I think they call it webstax smbstax, or istax depending on model and version. Lots of OEMs use it and I am pretty sure it still requires an NDA for it. Edit: yea, I just looked it up and that's effectively what it is, could be an older or pirated version too, since licensing fees are like 50-100k and I don't know how they can fit it into margins unless they are mass producing these things.

[@blunden2]

That makes perfect sense. The other cheap managed switches from China that we have seen reviewed in the last little while often share both hardware and software. They always seemed like reference designs to me.

[@ryanvoots9827]

The 192 dot 168 dot 1 dot 234 isn't quite so random. it's just the same combination that they have on their luggage. 1234

[@ServeTheHomeVideo]

Oh. You just got a comment favorited.

[@FaithyJo]

Dark Helmet: So the combination is one, two, three, four, five. That's the stupidest combination I've ever heard in my life! That's the kinda thing an idiot would have on his luggage! [President Skroob walks in.] Skroob: What's the combination? Colonel Sandurz: One, two, three, four, five. Skroob: One, two, three, four, five? That's amazing! I've got the same combination on my luggage! [Colonel Sandurz and Dark Helmet give each other a look.] Skroob: Prepare Spaceball 1 for immediate departure!

[@missyd0g2]

I just use my birthday. 0123. Lol.

[@gorillaau]

​@@FaithyJoYes, it should have been 123 dot 45mformthe last two octets.

[@John-vk1ij]

Good review. I missed Taobao so bad after moving to US. On Taobao you can get almost whatever you want. Some people complain the poor quality of "Made In China", which is very absurd because keep in mind, you get what you paid for. Pay only a fraction of the so-called Made-In-USA and complain you didn't get the same quality one? P.S., I bought all my home network devices from China and get them shipped to US. The cheapest way is to find a "bulk shipping" agent that offers cargo ship options. It'll take ~45 days to arrive.

[@PaulDonaldson4432]

hi can you help me find this switch, im interested in it, but cant find it on taobao

[@therealb888]

I was so excited at 1:28 But the shipping price is crazy 😮1:50. Anyways thank you so much covering how you bought it!.

[@ServeTheHomeVideo]

Part of why we are doing these is to push companies to bring something similar to the US/ EU markets.

[@denvera1g1]

I picked up a used extreme something or other switch at a garage sale for $10 I only wanted those ~30 fiber transcievers in each of the switches. But to my surprized, these were not 48x1G ports, but 48x10G ports, and 6x40G ports Looked the switch up, and they're selling for more than my car on ebay, and those dont even work, the ones i have all work, they have both PSUs, and all the hot swap fan modules. Great deal, i cannot wait for consumer switches like this with say 16x10G RJ45 instead of SFP+

[@udayreddy6795]

FINALLY!!!!!! LOTS OF 2.5G PORTS. Been waiting for this for like 2 god damn years now

[@MarkusIngalsuo]

The web-interface is exactly the same as in the Zyxel GS1910 series. It's not bad, but CLI is king 😎

[@BenJefferyCanada]

Stuff like that makes me think it's a "reference firmware" by the chip OEM, I've seen it a lot with DSL modems running on some Broadcom chipsets where they all have similar interfaces, maybe with the higher end ones having some bugfixes and features tacked on.

[@jodajackson4489]

Nice switch. It would be great if they had a 16 port 2.5GbE + 2 port 10GbE switch for maybe ~$200 to ~$250.

[@KennethFinnegan]

The twelve small heat sinks aren't 5 port Ethernet switches. They're just baseT transceiver phys hanging off the one switch ASIC

[@nils4214]

I would love to see a 24 Port 2.5G + 4x 10G + 2x 25G (150GBit) would be perfect for a Homelab

[@t03ias74]

Plus a few POE ports

[@ИванБрагин]

@@t03ias74 Fumbling

[@WilliamJasonSherwood]

@@t03ias74 POE is great, but on something like this it's not worth the extra power in the chassis. IMO POE devices are better as 1GB speeds, 1x10GB to an 8-16 port POE switch is a better option. POE adds a lot of power and heat.

[@t03ias74]

@@WilliamJasonSherwood Yes, that's true! But an extra switch with poe in the rack also adds extra heat and power. And with many wifi 6 ap's, a 2.5g poe uplink would be nice to have.

[@t03ias74]

Not all ports have to have poe 4-8 would be sufficient for now.

[@jonathanbuzzard1376]

Er did you remove those 12 heatsink because they are more likely to be four way 2.5Gbps phy chips for the ports than switch chips if you asked me. The power supply looks like a fairly standard 3"×5" 12VDC PSU. These are readily available from Digikey, Mouser, RS, Farnell etc.

[@Apex180]

48ports is overkill for me - need only 12 - so a 24port version would be handy. The value on this is mad but the power draw is a problem for a 'simple' home user, the loudness is also a issue for home use, maybe one day.

[@BobHannent]

I'd love a 16+2+2 port version. I'd be less concerned about fan noise because a smaller switch would use less power and you could always change the fans to Noctua.

[@mrmotofy]

But power draw is really dependent on usage. There’s an idle draw, then based on usage, use less pay less. Setup a couple solar panels with a gridtie inverter and it offsets the draw of the switch

[@qud3913]

​@@mrmotofy50 watts is now a problem? You really should reconsider your life.

[@mrmotofy]

@@qud3913 I didn't say it's a problem, I offered a solution for those that believe it's a problem. Don't be so dumb

[@Thecodr-u5n]

There is 16 ports, tp link made them

[@SB-qm5wg]

Pretty nice. I liked the GUI.

[@ram64man]

To look at it it reminds me a lot of the old 3com 48 ports , from 2016 , it’s erry close right down to the right hand fans (that always clogged) but they just updated the hardware to 2023

[@Giblet535]

That's a nice switch. I wonder why this isn't easily available in the US/EU. There's a market. You might want to consider a distribution agreement. It could be lucrative.

[@TheChuckster402]

So I ended up getting the Model B variant because the Model A variant (shown in your video) is out of stock. It is slightly more expensive, and has a Centec TsingMa chip with 400 Gbs switching capacity (untested/unverified). The web UI is completely different, as expected, and not as feature rich as the Model A variant -- it appears to also be a product Centec, and not a US based reference SDK. The power supply and port layout are identical to the A variant, as are the PHYs. The overall main board layout is also very similar to the A variant. I haven't looked at the RAM and flash chips, they might still be Micron / SanDisk, or they could also be domestic variants. The B variant also has an extra fan, and all four fans are in the rear of the chassis instead of the side (better IMO).

[@Garageland16]

"Hey this is Patrick and I am going to show you how to fail a security audit by putting physical backdoors in your network!"

[@forbiddenera]

😂

[@efimovv]

Security audit in my homelab? Why on earth I need one?

[@forbiddenera]

@@efimovv when you work from home for a large financmial company stuff like this smatters

[@efimovv]

​@@forbiddenera Oh man. If security of "large financial company" depend on random stuff on employee side - I have bad news for the company. Security guys do their job pretty bad, as VPN or another access solution in this company can be exploited so easy or employee able to get critical data from home. Beside of noname switch from China there are botnets from home routers for years now - and not only china noname ones, a lot of good known brands included. Is this Company pass PCI DSS audit? If yes, PCI DSS label must be revoked and audit company also must gave up their license too.

[@WilliamJasonSherwood]

@@efimovv Don't forget the US companies being just as bad as the Chinese.

[@snakeplissken8887]

S5700-48 board can be found on FS and Huawei in various models / variations, but this appears to be a trimmed down SMB version fit for smaller or medium sized businesses rather than full scale enterprise.

[@blunden2]

I assume those are quite a bit more expensive though? Do you have some links? 🙂

[@VideogamesAsArt]

This is POWERFUL. I hope I will never need something as overkill like this lol but yes I do wish tech here was more affordable too

[@dchubb42]

I want one of these with 24 ports of 2.5 and 4 ports of 10GBE. :D

[@MrPurle]

so you cant saturate every single port... is that really a massive problem? this is serveThe>Home

[@BrunoVilela1]

OK, didin't find any comment about the cable toutching the fan, (also we can see the marks) and when he turn on just confirms that noise is in fact the cable touching the fan.

[@-MaXuS-]

Yay👏👏Patric! *from STH*

[@pawematuszczak7316]

That 4x2.5GbE chips with radiators aren't switches - these are PHY's. Basically a switch chip doesn't support copper connection and need external PHY for this (only a handful have PHY included). Also it simplifies PCB routing as you can use just two differential pairs (one for TX and one for RX) for every FOUR ports - as in QSGMII for 4x1bE. This is a correct way to do this :)

[@weust2672]

The webinterface looks like a carbon copy of an older Zyxel switch I used to have.

[@deadlymarsupial1236]

Interesting feature set and agreed that I cannot see why such a product is not mainstream in western countries. Have you considered partnering with a youtube channel that has the skillset to produce a security analysis video of such products?

[@ServeTheHomeVideo]

These are like $400 + shipping so if someone wants to, these are not expensive to purchase.

[@forbiddenera]

​@@ServeTheHomeVideolend me and I'll scope it out

[@forbiddenera]

5:23 literally spade connectors on one side and plugs on the other..why can't we replace the psu? Sure it's not a standard form factor and/or nicely hot swappable but it wouldn't be hard to do like it might kf the AC terminals were soldered instead.

[@lyth1um]

hmm cant remember the name of facebooks initiave for open network hardware/software on the switches. what ive seen were some cisco switches supporting own software, briefly. im interested in those kinds of switches.

[@ServeTheHomeVideo]

Open Compute Project and SONiC are the big ones perhaps?

[@lyth1um]

fboss was the facebook project. dunno if level1 or someone else had a video about a specific switch. if remember correctly it was x86 for the os and there are specific lonux und bsd versions for it. that would remove alot of headache for features and so on.

[@kisselectronics8360]

I wish you would do thermal tests on the Mini PC units that you review...Which Mini has the best cooling ??

[@jabezhane]

I just want a reasonable 16 port 2.5G switch, you know like we should have had 10 years ago...

[@forbiddenera]

I just want a reasonable 24 port 10G switch, you know like we should have had 10 years ago...

[@alexatkin]

Except NBASE-T isn't even 7 years old yet, so that would have been kinda hard.

[@jabezhane]

@@alexatkin Exactly my point. We should have had this far sooner. Heel dragging of the highest level.

[@KannonRomano]

That left to right air flow is also a major down side instead of front to back for thermal

[@mrmotofy]

Not a lot of switches airflow front to back

[@HakonBroderLund]

Love the editing style of "but hold on/rewind"! Different from the other tech youtubers

[@tendosingh5682]

Gets tired after the first few times.

[@jonathanbuzzard1376]

While 40Gbps is a little weird in 2023, with breakout that could be eight 10Gbps ports which is decidedly not weird. Also every 100Gbps switch I have seen supports 40Gbps, and a bonded uplink at 40Gbps is better than one at 25Gbps.

[@miller_de]

That could be an insanely cool LAN party switch for all those NASes and other devices to share ... Linux ISOs ... via DC++ with :'D Uplink with 2*10 GbE for guest access them and core services like DHCP/DNS/NTP/internet access/etc. But the major bandwidth would stay between all those 2.5G ports. Could totally see this in the next 2 - 3 years. Especially if this would come to the US/EU in an official way!

[@rfekztjpkrpd4988]

The airflow concept is a bit random. Connectors directly after the fans. Would also be interesting to see how good the cooling on the SFP ports is

[@movax20h]

Not bad. For a lot of applications fully non blocking and line rate on all ports at the same time is total overkill and there is no need for this. Honestly I didn't see non fully nonblocking switch in very very long time, but honestly for office, netcafe, home it is not an issue at all. Server rack with a lot of distributed storage, sure, that would be crap, but then in server rack you would be using 10G or more, not 2.5G.

[@АбракадабраКобра259]

This is really cool screamer switch

[@Casper042]

Surprised to see the FEC settings showed up at 9:45 at the very bottom. Not only for the 25Gb ports where FEC is more prevalent but for the 10Gb as well it seems. Also found the math on port speed interesting. 25/25/10/10 = 70 40/40 = 80 So overall pretty close. Wondering if the Microchip supports MLAG? That might be where the 40Gb variant shines, 2 x 40GB DACs to merge 2 switches into 1 logically.

[@jeremyjedynak]

If it does support MLAG (aka MCLAG), it would be priced really well for storage transport.

[@chmedlychmedenstein916]

Does it call home and share my network with the PRC?

[@CarlosSainz0815]

HI, where can we buy that switch? I was not able to fin dit. Thanks

[@cameramaker]

the vsc7558 datasheet is pretty open, 608 pages.. its definitely doable. There is various combination of ports, I like the 10x10G + 4x25G, or the 8x25G :) who would be interested in such a SFP+/SFP28 switch? (I am not into 2.5G/5G really)

[@efimovv]

For short search I see this is very similar to BDCOM S5700-48ETX2Q switch, with vents on rear side and swappable PSU. But motherboard on video have 48DT and it looks like cheaper version. Marketing materials tell me what it for "online cafe, esports, hotels" so it looks very similar. They also have 24 and PoE versions.

[@sichkar2573]

Vlan? Hardware acceleration?

[@chrishenning6240]

Looking at the GUI, that looks almost exactly like Black Box switches. Specifically the Lig1014A.

[@ServeTheHomeVideo]

This is just one of Microchip's standard software packages that they sell to OEMs/ ODMs

[@chrishenning6240]

@@ServeTheHomeVideo Thanks for that.

[@hydraADL]

that power cable also fits Australian sockets.

[@ServeTheHomeVideo]

Good feedback. We also have a written version online that hopefully is easy to skim/ read/ translate

[@fuzzyfuzzyfungus]

Is there any discontinuity in per-port power draw caused by those 12 downstream chips; a bigger jump from idle to 1 link than from 1 to 2 links in a given cluster of 4; or are the smaller chips either sufficiently efficient at handling partial use or sufficiently inefficient at idling that each 2.5G link draws roughly the same?

[@ServeTheHomeVideo]

0.3-0.4W so roughly the same.

[@kungfujesus06]

Now this is the sort of 2.5 gbps switch that seems worth buying. I have no idea why more oems aren't making this and instead we get crappy cheap 8 port switches. Still with it being purely a Chinese marketed device it doesn't fill me with warm fuzzy feelings.

[@ServeTheHomeVideo]

I guess that is the Key Lessons learned point. Microchip, SanDisk, and Micron components are available in the US/ EU so I wish there was a brand that could make a switch like this for those markets.

[@8lec_R]

I personally think people get too caught up with the can't trust china thing. They haven't done anything yet and there's no way to prove or confirm how they are using the 'collected' data On the other hand the US government has been caught so many times collecting data and using it to snoop on people. And they go after you if you try to reveal their secrets. Afaik the CCP has never come after any1. Their entire shtick is "fuc u, you're talking out of your ass, prove it" and they do nothing to either leakers or the people who's data is being allegedly collected.

[@dangingerich2559]

What I'd like to see is a sub-$400 2.5Gb POE++ switch with a 10Gb uplink. The best I've seen are either $165-175 POE+ (not enough power for my AP) 4X2.5Gb+2C10Gb switches.

[@blunden2]

Hasivo claims their S600WP-5GT-2S+_SE supports up to 90W PoE on port 1 (but you have to request the 130W power supply). I haven't seen anyone verify that it actually works like that though (but the UI claims 802.3bt on that port).

[@JasonsLabVideos]

Good video! The fans can be made silent tho :) woo hoo!

[@zyghom]

for about 40$ I would replace these fans with same size from good vendor and the problem of the noise would go away ;-)

[@Mecrom]

4:23 The “CE” is certification for the european market actually

[@d_mcg]

The logo is fake. The C and E are too close together; a common tell tale sign. The E must be placed tangent to the C as if it made a complete circle.

[@attackhelicopter5986]

Or China Export

[@Mecrom]

@@d_mcg I doubt the certification includes a printer, I don't know if having a skewed logo is a very good indicator if it's fake or not 😅 But yes you're very possibly correct still.

[@ServeTheHomeVideo]

This does not appear to be THAT CE marking. It is pretty common for a slighly different marking to be used to say "China Export" but that some could be confused with.

[@marcogenovesi8570]

@@Mecrom The "CE" has to follow precise size and distance specifications to be a true "CE". Skewed CE means this is a "China Export" logo, which is an obvious fake thing they invented to make something that looks like CE but isn't.

[@Ahassan1977]

I can not find it on Taobao

[@TheChuckster402]

How big are the fans? Might replace them with some Noctua fans

[@TheChuckster402]

In case it helps anyone else, the stock built-in fans are 40mm, and yes, they are LOUD -- so I am replacing them. Model A has only 3 (per this video), but Model B (the one I have) has 4.

[@christopherjackson2157]

Would be interesting to hear more about the threat model presented by untrusted network hw. Like in a more general sense

[@ServeTheHomeVideo]

That was covered in key lessons learned.

[@christopherjackson2157]

Its an interesting topic. And it seems one that a lot of people have misconceptions about

[@jeremyjedynak]

​@@ServeTheHomeVideoWhen you're done experimenting with the switch, perhaps you could resell or hand it off to another channel that might be interested in doing an in-depth security assessment.

[@concinnus]

@@ServeTheHomeVideo I'd be more worried about it intercepting and substituting DNS traffic than being part of a botnet. Also, the chips marked Micron and Sandisk could be faked, it's happened with GDDR chips. These are cheaper than GDDR though, so probably not worth faking.

[@samrjuliea]

This is more like what I'm after. I do want the 48 ports as my current one is using 28 of the 48 ports and looking to add a few more. But I also want a POE version, to run my cameras and AP. The 10g and 25g ports would be super useful, the 25gb link to my server would be amazing, and then 10gb links for my editing station and internet link.

[@WilliamJasonSherwood]

I personally prefer POE to be on a secondary Switch, since in something like this it would be adding a heap of extra power draw and heat into the chassis.

[@AA-kj4ic]

Because the regulatory certification will probably push the cost up by another $250.

[@ServeTheHomeVideo]

I am not sure on that. If you sell 10,000+ of them?

[@andreas1989]

Hey Patrick, nice video.... would it be possible to change the fans in this switch ? Maybe u do a video where u change the fans 🙂 hAVE A GREAT DAY

[@ServeTheHomeVideo]

You can but to 3-pin units and you would have to worry about cooling performance of those fans. The airflow is not great.

[@texasermd1]

Nice. Do they have a POE+ version?

[@ServeTheHomeVideo]

I did not see one when we were looking otherwise we would have gotten that.

[@kryptonitecb]

If it did I would buy it. Almost a year ago I bought a used unifi edge 48 poe switch for the same cost as this new one.

[@texasermd1]

Yea, their Professional 48 PoE is $1099

[@jxc1139]

They could use the MPLS parser embedded in the PHYs to parse addresses and then send a DNS query to some random address when there's a match...wait I think only the US does that. BTW I get the switch was Vitesse DK but who made the 2.5GBASE-T PHYs? Are they Aquantia/Marvell or Realtek? I am guessing Realtek.

[@BigBenAdv]

I'm just surprised that they even put in an English menu option for what's effectively a China domestic market product. I'm more curious as to whether it handles jumbo frames properly as many of the cheaper entry-level China market managed switches with 10G ports are known to have no support or have issues with it.

[@sab2713]

Why isn't this thing available in the US/EU? You're partly right in that it needs regulatory marking and approvals. That in itself is a huge undertaking. But another huge consideration is Patents and Software Licensing. For a product being made and marketed in mainland China, this isn't a problem. In the US/EU, it absoluetly is. While there are a lot of standards, many of the ways of implementing those standards in a network switch are covered by Patents owned by the likes of Cisco and other networking coroporations. They will all want their cut from sales of this.

[@MykolaKostenok]

Hi, Cool channel, looking you from Ukraine. Im SW eng and computer enthusiast, so ahave some kind of equpment that you show in your reviews. If we can have fast enought network (2,5/5/10G) at home, how we can utilize it at home exept NAS? May be WIFI7 nextegen with multigig? Since most home WIFI routers still uses 1g. Could you please review some nextgen WIFI with multigig? Like TPLINK Deco BE95 ?

[@ServeTheHomeVideo]

Good idea.

[@alonzosmith6189]

Agree, I wish for a distributor of Ruijie Reyee gear in the USA. I am scare about the Social Media and Stream services verse switches from china.

[@ServeTheHomeVideo]

That is pretty much FS's switches.

[@efimovv]

I very surprized how much comments complain about China backdoors in super cheap switch build on top US companies chips (Microchip, Sandisk, Micron) with default UI.

[@cmuller1441]

The bandwidth doesn't allow to maximize full duplex data transfer on all ports simultaneously. 48*2.5+2*25+2*10=120+50+20 =190 Gbps > 160. From the datasheet:"VSC7556 SparX-5-160 supports up to 160 Gbps of bandwidth with the following primary port configurations. • 16 × 10G • 10 × 10G + 2 × 25G • 16 × 2.5G + 10 × 10G • 48 × 1G + 10 × 10G" Here (2nd case) the total is only 150G And there's only 8x10G=80Gbps shared between 48*2.5=120Gbps ports

[@DrTune]

sure but... whatever. If you've got an application where you actually want to saturate all the ports at the same time you can afford to spend a little more

[@dennisfahey2379]

Right its a good basic connectivity solution not an Enterprise and maybe not a good LAN gaming switch for 4K modes. Often with these lowend switches the internal buffering is shallow. For stream type apps the buffering falls apart and the protocol stack will window down. Really you need a solid Lan Test comparison of which there are many.

[@platin2148]

What Switch chips and Mac Chips are they using? Some name brand or something China Internal? Ahh a microchip?

[@ServeTheHomeVideo]

Microchip is a US company as are SanDisk and Micron

[@wishusknight3009]

It would have been kind of nice to know the power consumption with all ports populated and while being tested, and to be able to hear the switch power up without the host talking over top of it. Otherwise this was a pretty good video to get an overview.

[@ServeTheHomeVideo]

We usually just show incremental power consumption so folks can take say 0.3W - 0.4W per port and multiply by the number of ports they plan to use.

[@mrmotofy]

Loading up 48 ports and testing is no easy task

[@wishusknight3009]

@@mrmotofy They did it in this video already. How much harder is it to use a power meter and give a figure?

[@mrmotofy]

@@wishusknight3009 They gave a figure...use a calculator if YOU are that interested. Take a little responsibility put in the effort to answer a question YOU have rather than whining for others to spoonfeed it to you. Most others won't care. If you can do so much better start a channel and make your own vids with your own info the way you think it should be. Then people can complain about YOUR "perfect" method and format.

[@wishusknight3009]

@@mrmotofy Except it may not reflect what a calculator says based on extrapolation. My criticisms were fair. Now sit down boomer.

[@thrmu]

WHERE CAN I BUY??

[@therealb888]

The day we get 10GbE instead of 2.5GbE for $400 is the day I'll personally fly to China to buy it.

[@ServeTheHomeVideo]

We have some pretty cool 10GbE switches coming.

[@therealb888]

​​​@@ServeTheHomeVideo yes sir!, hoping to see them. On that note, please review the *monoprice slimrun CAT 6A UTP ethernet cables*. They're very popular but there are no youtube videos testing them at 10GbE. The only video that tested the CAT 6A shows it fails to do more than 5GbE. It would be ideal to test these with the new 10GbE switches. While there are many discussions about them, there is no thorough testing of their full bandwidth, PoE, etc. Testing the shielded variants would be great too. Lastly, please do consider sharing the factory where a particular product you review is manufactured (must be on the stickers). This is because it helps get the exact same product & not rely on sellers as much.

[@georgemuscat784]

It's great that such bargains are becoming available, but I have found performance in terms of range are subpar with cheap Chinese switches. When cheap 1GbE D-Link or Netgear switches can do 1GbE over a 40m cable, these cheap switches struggle to do 100M on the same cable. Perfectly adequate for short distances, just don't expect high end range performance.

[@arabaltayan160]

Does that switch come with malware?

[@shanent5793]

Why can't that chip switch the 2.5Gb ports directly?

[@OTechnology]

I need this

[@ServeTheHomeVideo]

I think you were FIRST too! - Or third depending on the app I look at

[@OTechnology]

@@ServeTheHomeVideo Haha yes I was surprised to see no other comments yet.

[@liewchengyeh]

the thing i just need.... my 24 port gigabit is so old..... and 10 gbit is too expensive.....

[@dennisfahey2379]

The 2.5G to 2.5G port to port probably works decently. What usually falls apart on these designs is the uplink (2X25G) ports. Obviously if you have 48x2.5 (120Gbps) - feeding that through a pair of 25's (2X25 = 50Gbps) would mean you have a serious choke point for applications that must get out of this switch. (IE not an Enterprise switch at all.) But for home use - its overkill really. Note the fans are noisy primarily because they are mechanically screwed right to the sheet metal. If you hang them on some foam they will quiet down quite a bit. This is an old trick and you will see it used on Noctua's current designs. Odds are they are really cheap fans that will last maybe a year. Then the box overheats and the thing dies. I'd put in some nice two bearing fans and call it a win.

[@ServeTheHomeVideo]

Most leaf/ edge switches oversubscribe downstream bandwidth compared to uplink BW.

[@dennisfahey2379]

@@ServeTheHomeVideo - They do indeed. Its all about latency, speeds,feeds and load balancing. This is the Vitesse line of switches. I think Microsemi bought Vitesse and Microchip bought Microsemi.

[@joshhardin666]

This could make a great small business / home switch for homes that have in-wall cat6 assuming you're ok with 2.5g, or choose from port to port 2.5 or 10g by using the 4 10g ports or a smaller 10g switch for core and or server vlan networking. I hate to beat a dead horse but where are all the ~

[@LtdJorge]

How big are those cafes, tho? You don't need much for games + the typical twitch stream.

[@ServeTheHomeVideo]

Totally true, but you can have faster game and OS updates. Also, 2.5GbE is better if you have anything on network shares. I have been to some crazy Internet cafes in Asia. Even ones people rent to effectively live in.

[@LtdJorge]

@@ServeTheHomeVideo Yes, the Korean ones were 12 year olds died of thrombosis after spending 48h living on the chair. I know what you mean :/

[@chenseanxy]

A lot of them uses custom pxe / iscsi based solutions to make the customer machines diskless, makes maintenance much easier

[@jonmayer]

I would kill for a reasonably priced 24-48 gigabit switch with a 10Gb uplink. It's always the uplink speed that you can't seem to get in the US for a decent price.

[@eDoc2020]

The Mikrotik CSS326-24G-2S+RM is 24x gigabit + 2x 10gig for $159 list price. It's been around for a while.

[@Daniel-A84]

Well the management looks like something from 2001.

[@denvera1g1]

Imagine this switch traded that 2xSFP+ and 2xSFP+28 ports, for just 2xQSFP+28 ports Fewer ports, but WAY more bandwidth

[@ServeTheHomeVideo]

There is a version with 2x QSFP+ 40GbE ports, but you would run out of bandwidth anyway.

[@denvera1g1]

@@ServeTheHomeVideo That is true, for home lab i would mostly use the two 40G to connect to my cheap ($10) extreeme VSP7245SXQ, and my backup file server, what i really want are those 2.5g ports for all of my jacks. ATM i have the extreme switch, and a mikrotik with 48x1g 4x10g and 2x40g but as the only switch on a network it is a bit lacking for dual 40g.

[@АбракадабраКобра259]

Should we expect RDMA in this bad boy on sfp+/28?

[@ServeTheHomeVideo]

I would not.

[@leeshiki]

Remove the existing power supply you can do a mod, open new hole for power plug and place a dual supply inside for redundancy. Rock switch should be removed, who need a on/off switch anyway.

[@jfkastner]

IF all ports are "full duplex" you are looking at 48 x 5 Gbps plus 2 x 20 Gbps plus 2 x 50 Gbps total routing 'need' internally - which is 380 Gbps

[@thesleepingGOD_]

Hey Patrick would you mind sharing the superbuy link you guys created when you bought it with superbuy. I want to get this and can’t find it on taobao and I know superbuy saves the links created and has pics for QC

[@Bigwingrider1800]

WITH A BACK DOOR. CHECK TO SEE IF IT'S SENDING....

[@F4HDK]

Patrick, your STH videos are awsome... but sometimes it is very hard to understand for non-English/American people. If you really target an international audience (I am in France), then you should really speak slower and clearer, when recording such videos. I understand your excitement about these topic, it is great to see... but please think also about your community. Thanks a lot.

[@efimovv]

I have hint for you - you can set youtube playback speed to 0.75. Personally I always use 1.25 and STH is only channel I watch at 1.0.

[@F4HDK]

​@@efimovv Thanks, I have just tested, it is slightly better, I should have thougt about it before. But it is far from perfect, because Patrick sometimes just don't pronounce every syllabes of words...

[@joep.8805]

I can't figure this out. Got this switch and attempt to access the web management interface and can't get it to come up. Tried through the MGMT port and through a standard port and it can't find it. I go to my Comcast router and take a look at attached devices and it doesn't see it. I even disconnected it from the modem so it had no signal coming in and still couldn't access the web interface. Any suggestions are welcome. (By the way it works fine as a un-managed switch.)

[@orzla]

Where did you get it from? Did you ever resolve it?

[@joep.8805]

Aliexpress is where I picked it up from. As to the web interface not yet.

[@travelasia2023]

@@joep.8805 Do you have a link to it on Aliexpress?

[@curtisbme]

Interesting that a china-only switch has english menu option and markings.

[@ServeTheHomeVideo]

Microchip firmware

[@JNET_Reloaded]

cant find link to this to buy also does this have port security like cisco yes or no?

[@ServeTheHomeVideo]

We have the Taobao # from the listing we purchased in the description. You can use that with an agent to purchase the listing. It is not easy and it cost us >50% more to get it to Texas.

[@georgey8280]

​@ServeTheHomeVideo Im assuming you would just put the Taobao # into SuperBuy but nothing came up. Do you have a TaoBao link? I tried to make an account but I need to use my phone number? Had little luck with that. You also mentioned you upgraded shipping to priority so idk how drastic the cost difference is if you didnt do that

[@bricefleckenstein9666]

Too bad the high speed ports are SPE+. Hard if not impossible to avoid right now on 25 Gig, but 10GBase-T has gotten pretty cheap in the last few years.

[@Live1509]

Tbh in 2023 we should have 10gbps switches priced the same of 1gbps. It's 20 years old it can't still cost so much!!

[@blunden2]

The problem is that big enterprise customers moved on from 10 Gbit/s switches (especially 10GBase-T) years ago so there isn't as much price pressure from that sector. Also, 10GBase-T is power hungry enough that it needs fairly modern process nodes which pushes up the price and makes it harder to make fanless switches than home buyers at large might actually be interested in.

[@stevetheborg]

connectivity and features... thats enough connectivity for a fighter jet.

[@D9ID9I]

The main concerns about Chinese network products are about software quality and security. Can you trust there are no backdoors and Troya horses? Is there a team that will find bugs and fix issues? And when there is no clear answer it is irrelevant how cheap these things are.

[@mnbvcx]

Actually the CE logo at 4:23 is an EU regulatory marking, so they could probably sell it in the EU

[@simonefilippini3901]

That logo is "china export" not the EU certification logo which has more space betwen the "C" and the "E"

[@Warrigt]

15:29 Talk dirty to me.

[@udayreddy6795]

Ok so 1, we need more 2.5g switches. 24 and 48 port with 2 and 4 10g uplinks each. Why is it taking so long for established companies to adopt 2.5g? And 2, how likely is it that this switch has a backdoor....