Insane Graphical Update for War Thunder

[@DawgIVLife]

What side are you on More FPS or Better Graphics?

[@pAceMakerTM]

Graphics and latency

[@comrade490]

The problem is that right now it's very unoptimized

[@DumbEpicGaming]

more fps ofc

[@credelle]

Tested out with my 3060 12gb, 60 fps with everything on ultra, ray tracing ultra too on 1440p and dlss quality Dlss off 30-40 fps No noticeable difference to justify the fps drop

[@comrade490]

@@credelle vram usage?

[@HerbaceousM8]

i think they gotta do a model overhaul, a lot of old stuff is lacking animations and that stuff is still going to look bad

[@renatomota9830]

Loading animation for the crew in open tanks and the ammunition moving in mounted machine guns when firing

[@rhaelva717]

@@renatomota9830they had brought that up before about them working on a overhaul for it :)

[@renatomota9830]

@@rhaelva717 Nice, i didnt know that, so it is some good news

[@SkinnyObelix]

As a 3d artist, what people need to understand about raytracing is that 10 years ago I was talking about frames per hour. To see it playable today is absolutely crazy. And I get people don't want to give up frames for raytracing today, but that doesn't mean raytracing is crap. I like to compare it to the invention of the airplane, the Wright flyer was able to fly for 12 seconds at 10mph , at a time we had trains that crossed the US at 100mph. I bet there were people saying we didn't need airplanes when we had trains. But, you might say, airplanes have specific benefits over trains as they can move over things. Well, raytracing also has advantages like that, we can't yet see today. For example, it can eliminate individual textures for every object. If today you want a wooden table without paint, the same table with paint, the same table weathered from being outside or a metal table, you have to create 4 different textures. With raytracing you can calculate those different textures rather than draw them. So you can calculate the life cycle of the table starting with a wooden table, then someone paints it, and then someone leaves it outdoor in a game where over time the paint starts fading. All without having to create every state of that table. Think of it like making a cartoon vs filming someone. It's A LOT less work. Not to mention you can do far more complex things with it, like making it look FAR more realistic. So no raytracing won't be the holy grail for War Thunder right now, just another step toward the next thing, where it will be worth it.

[@HerbaceousM8]

its incredible that is was only used as a baked in lighting for movies and now it actually runs, its crazy how fast its come

[@RogueBeatsARG]

Raytracing will be a Gimmick till the day they can simulate all the lighting process with RT and not only reflections. for now games barely change with it on or off

[@TexanTemplar]

What a great comment. Thank you.

[@RDEnduro]

Cool

[@credelle]

Ray tracing is crap, the technology you were talking about 10 years ago is path tracing Also ray tracing is not the one who lets you get different materials for the same model

[@psychodog8117]

I only notice a difference in the weather, as well as slightly more defined shadows. The lighting itself seems mostly the same though. It really surprises me how good WarThunder’s lighting is, while still giving incredible FPS even at higher graphics.

[@The_Enforcer14]

todo muy lindo, pero la definicion de los arboles y arbustos sigue siendo una basura.

[@unknownsoul9300]

@@The_Enforcer14 true xD

[@The_Enforcer14]

@@unknownsoul9300 si..yo juego en 4k y en terrestres los arboles y arbustos a distancia se ven horribles. Muchas veces me cuesta identificar un tanque.

[@unknownsoul9300]

@@The_Enforcer14 Yo por mi parte juego en calidad potato ya que solo tengo laptop y aun así los árboles y arbustos son una mierda

[@kajmak64bit76]

I don't think global illumination is raytraced

[@mo0pb-p30]

I think the lightning has always been pretty good, and realistic. Some of the maps look super dated though

[@C76Caravan]

Yeah even when I started WT, I already said that one reason it looks so good was that the lighting didn't have that computer graphics feel to it, because usually games overdo lighting with a higher contrast and brighter colors then in the real world

[@Orvis25]

We passed to devs over 4 years ago the request for FSR 2.0 (now re-passed this year again, but requesting FSR 3.1) support to be added to the game so everyone can enjoy some free performance uplift, with a high quality, non-vendor specific upscaller that works on almost all card withing the last 12 years or so (even works on things past the RX 480 and GTX 9xx generations). Now they just make the game even more hard to run with a feature that very few people where asking for in the first place. :/

[@whatever3245]

stop bitching

[@Twizted86]

Cos you're not consistent, you keep changing what you want. First you want FSR 2.0 now you want FSR 3.1.. Gaijin are simple folk, try asking for FSR 2.0 again.

[@Orvis25]

@@Twizted86 I disagree with that. We jsut want FSR in general. We passed it 4 years ago, they have yet to implement it in 4 years, so we re-passed it this year. that is not not being consistent, if anything its the opposite, we are STILL requesting the same feature, just a newer version than we did 4 years ago. Raytacing (as far as i know) has not even ever been passes to developers by the community since its a meaningless feature for like 90% of their playerbase, and even the 10% that have GPU;s that are beefy enough to support raytracing, still wont use it actively since it cuts your FPS in like half for almost no visual upgrade over the traditional lighting method already in the game. It was not something the community actually wanted actively or strongly. So the devs are ONCE AGAIN, implementing whatever the heck they want, in this case, a feature that takes an astronomical amount of engine development time, for a feature that almost no one will actively use in everyday gameplay, but are not actively listening to the needs of the community and implementing the tings we want/need for a better general gameplay experience.

[@NoKkiDuDe]

@@Orvis25 FSR is a peace of crap which makes picture low quality and with artifacts, who cares about that shitty tech?

[@Kaldosthesergal]

I’ll be honest, at max for RTX, the only difference I saw was tanks reflections in water and a 66% performance loss.

[@Hpa513]

Glass too

[@GODWORRIOS]

marketing for kids

[@AsteroidStrike]

How do you activate it? I don't see the option anywhere in the game

[@andresinchausti3841]

What this game needs is a matchmaking queue where the graphical/sound settings are locked for all players equally (even with grass in sight on), that no one can modify one bit, no ulq, gamma... etc, no advantages - no tricks. I use ulq because I feel forced, for me it's competitive-->graphics, I love the graphics of war thunder and always wanted to play properly, but without disadvantages... A ranked/competitive/locked-for-all style queue would be a good addition

[@BARelement]

Bro just use normal graphics like most good players even do. Heck I see tournament players who don’t use ULQ at all. You’re the one forcing yourself. No one has a thing to your head forcing you. Come on bro…

[@Germaniko]

I play on max settings and still clap, just the same as I get clapped some matches. If you need to lower your settings to perform at an enjoyable level then you are taking yourself too seriously. No one is forcing you except yourself. If you dont agree with this youre just in denial because you know I'm right

[@andresinchausti3841]

​@@BARelement A tournament is regulated... it's not an offense but it gives the impression that you are a casual player, I am an old... very old competitive player, for me it's night and day, I simply can't play with normal graphics, it's not a whim nor a placebo

[@m4tko]

Yeah you sweatlords need your own game mode. I play mostly for the very detailed tanks and don't care about KD ratios in a video game.

[@jasonz2736]

I use UHQ and still bests ULQ try harders, guess it’s some sort of ‘skill issue’

[@Cepeleon]

Honestly I can't tell the difference between the two but then again I started gaming when CGA/EGA was a thing so I''m just glad the game looks good anyway.

[@Twizted86]

You started a few years ahead of me, I'm a VGA. Learned to touch type with those Police Quest games. People these days don't understand the luxury of mouse support lol!

[@RogueBeatsARG]

i would not sayt its Insane, barely changes how the game looks, just accurate reflections and ambient occlussion. what would make the game look better for real is more quality maps and a better tonemapping algorithm. FSR would help too, but i buess Gaijin its sold out to Nvidia

[@DawgIVLife]

IIRC Intel XeSS and FSR are both available in the dev server

[@RogueBeatsARG]

@@DawgIVLife oh fr? i didnt saw it on the dev stream

[@RogueBeatsARG]

@@DawgIVLife it is FSR1 2 or 3?

[@stixktv__9999]

​@@RogueBeatsARGwhatever every version of it looks bad. The only good option is dlss, though xess is also a reliable option.

[@RogueBeatsARG]

@@stixktv__9999 FSR looks as bad as DLSS, but at least you dont get scammed into buying a overrated GPU

[@norman191000]

Lack of infantry is an ultimate immersion killer.

[@DawgIVLife]

they made a game called enlisted that serves that purpose

[@Dwagonier]

Enlisted? Oh wait..turns out when you add infantry to a tank game it's no longer a tank game and majority have to run infantry over tanks crew roles. What does this do? Now people dont play and it's mainly all ai and a few real players

[@DjstoP100]

The best example of bad graphics is the nuclear explosion and especially the strange shaped mushroom 😂😅 it looks like...

[@AsteroidBuggs]

I don't get the jazz about graphically good games being called 'old' and 'inferior'. I mean, I barely notice a difference between raytraced WT and normal WT, so why waste all that FPS and risk crashing your game? It also greatly increases the stress and wear on your computer, lessening it's lifetime. Is marginally better reflection and lighting really worth that?

[@SHEEPS_123]

no, its not worth it at all. I dont want to play wt without at least 170 fps

[@Idontknow4]

@@SHEEPS_123 i get 40-60 in air and 60 in ground in highish settings

[@pignebula123]

For now it might very well be a waste, but adapting the game to accept raytracing so that when it becomes as good or better than current lighting techniques it can be added is a forward looking mindset for a game that hopefully has at least another decade ahead of it.

[@AsteroidBuggs]

@@pignebula123 I agree! That makes a lot of reasonable sense, but currently not many above-acceptably-decent computers are affordable to many people, so I think that if Gaijin was going to cave into half-hearted insults to their already impressive graphics, they could've at least used something that was accessable to anyone that can at least run TABG on their device.

[@DawgIVLife]

I mean I agree War Thunder still looks amazing without the RTX stuff, But I think people compare games coming out today and seeing War Thunder its going to look dated but its still fine, We had this same issue when Battlefield 1 and 5 released people compared those games to War Thunder seen the newer released games looked better and wanted that.

[@commitselfdeletus9070]

Biggest problem with it is the light bleed and the fact the reflections shimmer a lot and often are very blurry even when completely maxed out. In certain situations I found it looks like a god damn Minecraft shader. However when everything works properly it does look amazing

[@credelle]

Volumetric lighting, smoke and better global illumination overall would be a much more noticeable change to wt graphics I wish this game could run on path tracing but we are nowhere close to do that with current hardware

[@Rosaslav]

Agreed, the weird lighting during cloudy weather is still the weakest point and they doesn’t seem to try improving it with ray tracing. EDIT: On second thought, they at least started to play with Ray Tracing so hopefully they will learn better how to use it over time. At this point I am more interested in new antialiasing options.

[@kajmak64bit76]

Cyberpunk and Metro exodus are officially pathtraced Minecraft has mods that make it path traced

[@credelle]

@@kajmak64bit76 cp requires a 4090 to run at 1080 60 fps native, and metro exodus uses ray tracing with much fewer rays to be able to run

[@spacemane_official]

We got dlss 3.7 rn ingame that means they could add frame generation if needed im running a 4070 ti

[@potatosoup19129]

i havent been able to see the advantage of raytracing from the start. It slows down the game, graphics look extremely similar to raster, and the textures in the game are still the same. What would really upgrade war thunder is having better terrain textures, building textures, higher quality destruction and smoke/dust effects. i also think updating and removing any bugs from the sound engine would be time better spent.

[@TazGaming141]

0:15 what about the xbox series x?

[@GODWORRIOS]

1st buy a PC no one gives a damn about consoles !!! we live in 2024 consoles are dead !!! 60 fps gaming rubish !!!! ahhahahahahaha

[@user-ll9pq8pz2h]

​@GODWORRIOS what about just responding to a question ?

[@user-ll9pq8pz2h]

They didn't mention any consoles as far as I know, but there will probably be a console version of it, like if you prefer 60fps hd or raytracing 30fps something like that 🤞

[@crispydeaky8804]

​@@GODWORRIOSI can give you every single reason that people still use consoles especially since I have one for one Xbox series X can go up against the PC 120fps at maximum for Xbox series X along with 4K and I think above 144 HZ it's cheaper than a lot of PCS that you'll get out there that are worth a shit and people don't want to build PCS and they don't want to buy them because I don't know

[@Agent007-n3l]

@@GODWORRIOS How about people who don’t have the money for a PC?

[@fivosgeorgiou8000]

As someone whos been playing on a laptop for 10 years Most of the years in ulq and last 2-3 at medium quality i have to say maybe one day....

[@SoulsThieve]

For gameplay not yet, but for screenshot, yeah

[@SeventhCircle77]

Ray tracing isn't like hugely different to me, but the overall improvement in the graphical settings is very nice. Game looks good and seems to run better on dx12 ( for me anyways). Also since this game isn't too input speed dependent, fsr 3.1 would be nice or some frame generation.

[@lordbossharrow]

How did you turn it on on the dev server? The ray tracing option is greyed out for me and I have an rtx card.

[@Dosahka]

what worries me most, that rather they upgrade or shift the engine to run on multiple cores rather than maxing out only 1 CPU core in 2024 is a shame. they should've spent dev time on this rather than adding RT to the game. I think WT is now deserve to get rekt completely.

[@TR-707]

im not sure games like this need better graphics..its all about the animations, visibility, simulation. All the fancy reflections are maybe cool for like an offline renderer of your gameplay

[@gc8y900]

I'm ready for that ray tracing with my RTX 4090

[@calumknight9178]

I personally do not see a big enough difference to warrant that performance hit.....

[@dantem.m.5479]

Sooo relaxing

[@Lordex23]

With all settings set to maximum, my game runs at around 350 FPS. Raytracing should be a piece of cake for my computer.

[@keithsimpson2150]

IDGAF about ray tracing, somehow the aliasing changes they made 2 years ago made the game look worse and run worse for me.

[@cawl]

If that's how it looks I'll probably leave it off and keep my super high FPS and max (excluding SSAA) settings. Looks basically the same.

[@Tanks.With.Teeth.Malloy]

I have a 4080 so hopefully I can run RT at high confidently. Ultra would be possible but idk if it would as stable.

[@DanielRodriguez-b2q]

So how does it look and run?

[@Tanks.With.Teeth.Malloy]

@DanielRodriguez-b2q I've yet to find the best balance but all and all it runes well. On wide open maps or maps with a bit of foliage or trees in getting 100-120 fps. Once I got into urban environments or a forest frames drop to around 70. It's playable but a bit of an adjustment. I'll keep messing with it and find the best settings:)

[@jedenasty2226]

Nighthawk absolutely cooked FPS xD

[@TCODESERTSTORM]

Is it just me or that Raytracing thing is more a marketable thing now than ACTUALLY doing things? Unless we're talking about unlit game shaders such minecraft or older games or stylized games, in case of WT, is definitely Little to barely noticeable changes. Basically PLACEBO effect at this point.

[@Conrad-os1dk]

Do you think a PlayStation 5 with lower graphics can handle rtx?

[@matteobusellato4848]

Rtx wont be for console

[@CobraDBlade]

So cool that they're adding raytracing so that the vast majority of the player base can have another graphics option to turn off for a massive tactical advantage.

[@Storlans]

Sadly why bother in a game were its a extreme advantage to play the game at the lowest possible settings. I would say fixing this is more important than Ray tracing.

[@Danny.Duns1]

Maybe limit frames to 30 to make the experience less appealing to players with high end PC's while making it more managable for those with potatoes

[@renatomota9830]

They should remove the minimum graphics configuration

[@TPWR1337]

Horrible comparisons not even same time of day or weather on the planes. Also why would you chose dusk when the whole point of ray tracing is realistic lighting?

[@Waldherz]

Raytracing isnt necesarily about lighting as in bright daylight. Depends on what kind of raytracing you use. Look at SOTR. Raytraced shadowes only.

[@AjrAlves]

What makes war thunder look dated was never it's shadows and lighting. Biggest problem is in the low poly models in map elements and dated textures (even with the texture pack). Honestly? Only worth it for screenshots, I prefer higher FPS in this game.

[@garbagepailkid]

I get like 200-300fps so as long as I can keep 60 with it on im happy.

[@davidcassia1595]

What about the 3070ti msi ventures?

[@NagoyaRR]

In the first side by side i feel like there is not that much of a difference. But more FPS will always be better in a shooter. No one cares how this game really looks except people making cinematics

[@aghressor]

Can't wait for War Thunder 2

[@turco7917]

Rtx 4090 hit 4k 60fps ray tracing🤒🤒

[@IronIvanKeith]

Can you do it on a omen gaming laptop because that’s what I got

[@norbberting3849]

If you are die hard on the game you might wanna have that ray tracing on, but for me that cannot afford such expensive gpu capable of ray tracing and playing for relaxation i would choose playable gpu. Me playing on x550ze.

[@mrdinosaurproductions9507]

Rtx looks good in this game

[@sonofabeachent]

Not there yet. There are differences but appears there needs to be more time, more evolving

[@DanielRodriguez-b2q]

Horrible RT comparison. You need to compare the same exact scenes with the same perspectives. There are subtle changes that need to be observed, and you can't really do that when left and right are looking in different directions and one is zoomed in when the other isn't. You go from dark and cloudy with RT off to a sunny day with RT on. Of course the game will look better on a sunny day. So now how much better would the scene have looked where you were taking off with the SU 24 with RT on? Also don't move the camera around too fast because it doesn't really allow you to pick out differences that well. You were doing fine on chapter 3.

[@dariusdatcu1068]

I got a rx6750 I think it can handle the ray tracing with 1440p

[@antbord_5640]

At what resolution do you play?

[@DawgIVLife]

1440p

[@LeonardoEscobar-e8k]

Do y’all think ps5 will be available to hand it, I mean it runs battlefield pretty well

[@DawgIVLife]

I assume we will have to see with the PS5 pro and what it offers to War Thunder but the base PS5 not sure.

[@MoRaXSCV]

I think with my pc i should be fine i got a 4070ti and ryzen 7 7800x3d. I think i should be fine even if im playing on 100fps 120fps il be happy. But untill the update gonna come out...

[@Meelix]

my base GTX 1660 is crying so hard rn

[@Kikusk0]

War Thunder with ray tracing on my OLED would be sick but the FPS loss isn't worth it

[@renatomota9830]

Strange update for a competitive game, clearly the windows (which look like mirrors) will give an absurd situational advantage to those with a better computer...

[@DamnGamesTV]

with loosing fps that much, i will note using it.. looks like feels the same for my eyes though...

[@wuiren]

My rtx4070super likes it! My pc went doesn't like it!

[@Skilldimi]

I only see that the building are Not the same size like the plane, they are tiny and whats about this Gaming lvl. I play with F5, F4, F8 against F14, F15, and F16???? Whats wrong guys???

[@Atheos1337]

i have 4080s and Ryzen 7 7800X3D and running everything ultra with about 350+ fps right now

[@Waldherz]

Not a single game so far has made me care for raytracing. And I do have a 4090 so Im probably THE target audience for that shit.

[@TheCephalus]

I have to cap my fps to not get screen tearing anyway. I definitely don't need 180fps to play. raytracing 4tw

[@PurrThunder]

Will it be on PS5 and Xbox?

[@certifiedwbtk]

Nah I don’t think Gaijin would give the console an upgraded version especially if you are on old gen. I play on new gen and it still looks like I am playing War Thunder on old gen.

[@PurrThunder]

@@certifiedwbtk I’ll still be praying to the snail ever night for it

[@AssassinoGioco]

Do I need ray tracing on to watch this video? I don't see any differences ha.

[@dexwy]

I‘m still on my PS4, and will keep it until it explodes

[@dewok4701]

This is a competitive game.. All this gives you disadvantage... Extra smokes.. Particles... Shadows.. Obscure your vision is generally bad and everyone will turnoff this shit....

[@adamhlali8106]

I mean, World Of Tanks changed their engine after a few years. Perhaps Warthunder can change its engine too cause there is a ton of shit that could be improved...

[@DawgIVLife]

They own Dagor why would they change

[@cesar6302]

there is still weather in the game i thought they removed rain on all maps

[@hatipl]

Its beta RT i think its need to be optimised for game engine i hope on premiere we see more fps on same settings For people who say "i dont see difrence" RT is about small details that make whole imagine looks more stable and real

[@avationnascar]

ah the 4090 is finally useful for wt

[@jimmccoal2693]

Do i need a new PC now , yes..

[@cia4gent128]

My RTX 4090 is ready

[@nicolaskielblock8296]

Not that huge of a difference tbh , much better to have that extra performance over the sutile changes

[@LokirofRoriksted]

I'm a "poor player" and I run my games on 1080p capped at 60fps, since my monitor is fullHD and 60hz (absolutely no reason to increase fps if your monitor cant support it. If any of you do that, you're an idiot lol). I'd try upgrading to a 2k monitor to spot targets better while using a plane in ground battles, but idk.. maybe in the future

[@anthonychapman4429]

My ps4 is cooked

[@MarsBarBS]

Почему то у меня нет отражений в окнах. RTX включен и видеокарта с поддержкой RTX

[@Vonkie67]

my rtx 4090 can finaly do some work

[@jimmccoal2693]

How about WT stops puting 1951 tanks agains 1941 , that would be fun .

[@Rick-yj4nf]

For the amount of money they steal with their BS perks and everything they supposedly add. This game should be way more beautiful on any system..

[@edwinjoseph322]

Ray tracing is going to only be good on graphics cards with 16+ VRAM and a CPU with 8 or 8+ cores

[@gavicada1772]

I think setting should be locked so if you have bad pc you have no grass if you buy good pc then no grass is cheat

[@patvogel.official]

I have no Update !!!😢😢😢 why

[@imno_xyz]

Am I blind or are those the same

[@DragowonDeez]

considering ray tracing is for lighting yeah you wont notice much unless its reflecting off a puddle of water or shiny metal. Lol

[@MarcinRybarczyk-k9q]

Ray tracing canbe runnalmost on every cards since gtx 1660 ti... Depending on coding.. and mostly ray tray technology is for making all kids running to parents screaming BUY ME NEW GRAPHIC CARD!! ... in most cases is usless..

[@Rakkun-Dar]

Too bad the meta is to lower graphic settings.

[@martinjerabek8119]

Nah, this not Ray Tracking :D Who need in this fast game? only FPS down. WT need more better graphics but no use RT on.

[@Altair885]

Still an ugly looking game with textures from like twelve years ago! Even back then it was designed to run well on mediocre machines. It really needs a massive graphical update to start looking like any of the modern games.

[@SHEEPS_123]

Its not big enough of a difference to destroy my fps

[@jetnavigator]

Seems a pointless addition as it makes it harder to see, which is a disadvantage when you're up against people using ULQ settings.

[@The_Enforcer14]

a mi me interesaria que mejoren la definicion de arboles y arbustos..en especial en mapas de nieves. Juego en 4k y sinceramente de lejos parecen un pedazo de carton

[@LisSolitudinous]

Still no FSR :(

[@DawgIVLife]

In the dev server it talked about FSR with the DLSS stuff

[@cvrbon6]

No DLSS?

[@DawgIVLife]

DLSS does weird things in warthunder like making MG tracers thicker and ghosting happens. So I don’t like to run it at all

[@Citron-gb7sf]

more like it will be sad playing on that setting because you will not see shit comepared to the guys playng on potato setting firing acrossmap thrue all the stuff that renders only for you. :)

[@Rift2123]

I mean it's nice an all but everyone plays on horrible graphics anyway so their awareness is highest

[@brunovafa2778]

If you know how to optimise your graphics, RTX will be fine

[@DawgIVLife]

eh even people with 4090s are getting less FPS I think most will keep it off just cause of the massive hit in performance

[@brunovafa2778]

@@DawgIVLife it effects performance but it’s the most realistic form of rendering, it’s personal preference to keep it on or off but if you want the game to look real you gotta incorporate it

[@elongated_musket6353]

Grahpics

[@melc311]

i am struggling to a see a difference.

[@_Lemor2008_]

i dont see a difference plus and im satisfied with "good enough" graphics and dont care about top end graphics

[@thepro08]

as i call it since they started this BS years ago on battlefield, gaytracing...... you never turn it on.

[@malowmowadams9344]

FPSSSSS

[@klimentvoroshilov8273]

Very late, Gaijin... always late... 🤣🤣🤣

[@whatis6x9]

You seem to be get better performance than other CC's, less worries bout my 4090 now hahha

[@DawgIVLife]

It seems to be very random, its 100% unstable and prob not optimized yet