Inside a uPVC door mechanism

[@RobSanders93]

Thanks for this explanation, my friend's door broke the other night, cylinder working completely fine, however latch will not retract. Looking forward to opening it up and carrying out repair.

[@phillwheadon5940]

Thanks for this. I have a door that has failed, handle floppy on the upturn and will not go past horizontal on the downturn, and am considering whether there is anything I can do myself (I don't think there is) so a short like this helps immensely in getting a grasp of the nature of the problem.

[@DownhillAllTheWay]

You said "This is a much more expensive repair than a service once every 18 months would be. What happens on a service that is so cheap that I guess the gearbox is not opened? Would it really have prevented that part from breaking? I have just had a very similar fault - when the key is turned, the mechanism doesn't lock the door, and when I opened the "gearbox", I found that the exact same part was broken - that little rack of a rack & pinion mechanism had snapped. Actually, it's a double mechanism - there are two racks, apparently to divorce the operations of the outside and inside door handles - and on mine, one was broken, similar to the one you show, but the other one was also bent slightly - and it appears to be cast aluminium, which does not bend far before it breaks - so I'm lucky mine was still working at all. In any event, I can't see how it explains the fault I have - the key turns and turns, and the door doesn't lock - so the little mechanism that moves in linear slots, moved by the tab on the key cylinder, and blocks the lock tang in the locked position, is not working. It's at the lowest part of the mechanism, so maybe it was being interfered with by a broken piece that had fallen into it. I've got a new one on order - but I must say I'm not very impressed with the mechanical quality of the manufacture of this "gearbox". Thank goodness its designers weren't involved with the design of my car!! My car is 18 years old, and this door gearbox is only six years old, and as far as I can tell, does not get abused. I guess it guarantees an on-going sales channel for the manufacturers.

[@bilsbum]

Came to the comments to write this. A service would not have prevented this.

[@outlaw187g3]

Great advice! Saved me a fortune and it's not rocket science, thanks again.

[@tonyball1998]

I appreciate your video,I think it's very helpful.

[@sgtsteely212]

Anyone know how to adjust the handle please. There seems to be a lot of range when I press the handle down, it almost bangs into the keys it goes that far. This is a brand new door fitted 2 weeks ago. Thanks

[@matthewbarrett877]

Keep going mate. Destroying others and your own trade for a few freebies. 👍👍

[@cardiffpicker1]

These dont need excessive force to break ,they are just crap .

[@Gollammeister]

My front door has automatic multi point hooks spring loaded that spring out into frame don't lift handle up as it's automatic and resets upon handle being pushed downwards

[@matthewkellett2904]

This is the same problem i have now , so this is a great help . Thanks

[@brantleywesson4032]

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[@zekeashton2999]

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[@PaulBrown-x3p]

My door latch is stuck in and although the handle lifts the door will not lock any idea as to what it my be

[@eileennapier1109]

Thank You

[@JohnChilton1]

SERVICE? How?....Cheaper to just replace than someone coming out to service a door lock every year surely?...you can buy these locks starting at about £30 upwards very easy to replace as a competent DIY person

[@dm32904]

my door is 30 years old, its just had a spray of silicone on the cam rollers every year, never had any problems

[@lesorzel]

I have got a similar lock. The key turns and the locking block moves forward but I cannot then get the key out and the door isn't locked. Do you know what is going wrong?

[@jimbworkingman874]

Thanks for the explanation of the lock. In my case the jammed part is the DEADBOLT. The deadbolt is not parallel with the floor, rather it is jammed at an angle towards the floor. It won't retract or move, as a result the frame latch locks won't retract either. What would you suggest I do to get the door open to replace the gear box? It is a 1-3/4" thick door, 32" wide, inswing, with three hinges.

[@tepidbudgie]

Call a door repair man.

[@zekkez]

What would be wrong with a mechanism if the door handle, when lifting to lock, won't spring back down to its normal position? Yet if pressed down, to open, it springs back up?

[@nodin86]

Howdy. This is what happened to my door. I can do the repair, but I can't get the door open to access the gearbox. Any advice would be great.

[@mitchmitcheson3287]

David Thorne knock the pins out of the hinges and remove the door. When you figure out the problem and fix it you can put it back together.

[@nodin86]

Thanks

[@christaylor86]

How did you get the gearbox open? The one I had had all the screw heads melted down or something to prevent opening jt

[@Helplocks]

Most are screwed together but sounds like yours was reverted… you can drill those off… :)

[@christaylor86]

Ah, thank you! Good to keep in mind. New to being the family fix-it guy!

[@omarguzman8980]

I have a CES lock and the handle doesn't spring up any more.i have to manually do it in order to have the door close.any idea on why the handle doesn't spring up?

[@sirwalterkissmecrack]

Possibly the springs inside the handle. Take the handles off and you will easily see if the springs are damaged.

[@andrewfreshwater9289]

So hard to find a specific issue with locks online but your vid is exactly what I have (even to the same sized broken piece) so thank you. Question is, can I reattach/get a replacement part?

[@gonz0magic2]

Anyone know what it means when a latch sits partial in out. Seems the handle doesn't retract or release the latch. The locks and multipoint locks seems to work with handle?

[@Helplocks]

R Ali it sounds like the spring in the latch has gone. I would change the gearbox asap before a broken part gets logged into something that stops the mechanism working completely

[@gonz0magic2]

@@Helplocks thanks. Any ideas of a rough estimate cost. I'm in London. Many thanks

[@Helplocks]

R Ali we are in West Yorkshire & would charge £170 for a gearbox change... I expect it would be higher in London... best advice would be to get 3 quotes from local companies & avoid the nationals.

[@olihall2271]

Hi. Thanks for the video. I had the exact same thing break and jam on my door. I managed to push the latch back with a piece on metal to get the door open and then took the mechanism off. I got the broken piece out of the back of the mechanism that was jamming the latch and put it back in the door (without the broken off bit). Now it all works fine again. Is there any reason not to carry on using it with out the little bit? Thanks.

[@mainecoon6499]

Is your lock still working with the missing bit.

[@paulwallis1492]

hi there you mentioned in the video a part had snapped and stopped the latch retracting how did you manage to retract the latch while the door was shut as I think this has happened and need to get the latch to retract so I can open the door and then fix the problem

[@Helplocks]

This particular door was prized open with specialist locksmith tools. If you are in the West Yorkshire area, we would be happy to come and take a look for you but would recommend you call a local locksmith to fix your door. You will need to open the door causing minimal damage & then find the correct parts to repair it, by the time you have done all that yourself, you will probably regret not getting someone else to do it in a fraction of the time.

[@johnl6564]

I had the same problem. The latch was held into place by a screw which had come loose but they're quite brittle & a good shove on the door broke the latch off with no other damage. I did replace the entire centre case gearbox for £16.50 & remedied some shocking workmanship done by whoever fitted the door in our new-build house. I also had to remedy another French door that jammed every time the weather temperature changed. Thirty minutes adjusting the flange hinges correctly & it hasn't jammed since.

[@Tibor300]

Hi. My Euro cylinder lock has jammed, the key is stuck and I can't turn it or pull it out. I want to take the whole locking mechanism out of the door but can't because I can't take the Euro cylinder out of the door. I also don't want to snap it out because it's a brand new ABS lock. Do you have any suggestions? The metal strip up the door is riveted to the gearbox, and I'm considering drilling the rivets out, but not sure if that will even work.

[@Helplocks]

Fuck off Google Plus Best advice I can give you is to call a locksmith... We can come and take a look if you are in the West Yorkshire area or if not, I recommend you try and book a Master Locksmith Association locksmith who is local to you. In the mean time, I certainly would not drill the mechanism or do anything until a locksmith gets there as quite often, when people are unsuccessful in repairing a lock or mechanism, they end up spending more money when it's repaired.

[@Tibor300]

Help Locks ah I suppose that would be the sensible thing to do. Thanks for replying

[@andrewa.mcnamee8530]

Good videos - straightforward and simple. Would just like the music to change now & again, or stop, as it can become repetitive and annoying.

[@tinnitussurvivor2218]

Thanks for showing the insides of the handle mechanism. My problem is trying to get the mechanism out. Although I've previously replaced the cylinder, I can no longer get it out. The screws and cylinder bolt are no problem, but the cylinder seems to be lodged in place by something and even a good tap won't dislodge it. It rattles, but won't move in either direction. I'm stumped. Not in the UK so I cannot seek your help.

[@ryanlinixle6481]

Put the key in the cylinder lock and turn it slightly - it should just slip out.

[@sharonwalter1309]

I'd the same problem, luckily my son was eventually able to move the key at a certain angle & got it out - it's not easy

[@bismamase2100]

the handle hole is the name

[@chimpofm]

Hiya mate. I'm looking to automating a pvc door with a rfid reader. What do you recommend for the mechanical mechanism

[@Helplocks]

Welshcakes have you heard about Ultion Smart? Take a look here: helplocks.com/locksmith/ultion-smart/ We also have some videos on our KZbin channel...

[@chimpofm]

@@Helplocks are they suitable for external use. I have just had one of those rfid implants. So I was hoping I could just buy a electronic locking rail to drop into my existing doors. It's just a server to push the lock bar up and down... I may dismantle the lock mechanism and see what I can bridge in there to fit...

[@Helplocks]

Welshcakes yes they are made primarily for external use... feel free to call if you would like to discuss further: 0800 002 5258

[@chimpofm]

@@Helplocks thanx mate. Your videos should be help enuff. Your videos are very detailed. I've just RFID'd my motorbike. So I imagine I'll be ok. I may be in touch to buy a system if I cant build one. Good day to you good sir.and thankyou for your time.

[@pablloziemianin8449]

Hello,i got problem with my door,outside handle open the door ,and im must lock door whit the key all the time .Please help me !?.Thank you

[@Helplocks]

Where are you from?

[@pablloziemianin8449]

hi,from UK

[@Helplocks]

Are you in the West Yorkshire area? We can come and take a look if you are in the West Yorkshire area, otherwise I would recommend you find a locksmith local to you from the Master Locksmith Association (remember to get three quotes before you book someone)

[@pablloziemianin8449]

Im from london,the door stop closing if im pusching normally.Ok i wanna fix this by maself thx.

[@Helplocks]

Its hard to advise properly without seeing the door. By all means, have a go yourself if you know what you are doing but if you have any doubts, I would call a qualified locksmith.

[@iansyou]

Could not stand the inappropriate racket in the back ground

[@paulpaul8861]

The music is really annoying and unnecessary.

[@briangunn4961]

Hi

[@PROTEK123]

This is the problem now with you tube , you posted this video to be helpful and gain some customers , I have no problem with that , but as a locksmith myself with over 30 years in the trade I am getting called more and more to rectify problems with alignment / locks etc because someone came on you tube , watched a video and thought they could do it themselves. Most of the time they end up needing a entire new locking system etc because they fucked it up/lost a spring etc, costing them more money in the long run. ADVICE TO NON LOCKSMITHS WATCHING THIS. CALL A QUALIFIED LOCKSMITH most of us are genuine and honest tradesman who will not rip you off. Rant over.

[@sharonwalter1309]

Well I think 2nd that. I thought I was saving myself some money, especially before Christmas, so I took the side panel off my door to see what was going on, 1st thing was 2 spindles fell out onto the floor - no idea where they came from! Then, as I couldn't see what was going on inside the Lockmaster centre casing gearbox (I know it's called that because I spent about hours in the phone to various companies to seeing anyone could help me, but they couldn't), I thought it would be a great idea tonopen it & half the contents sprung out at me! No idea how they went back in. 6 hours later I've been able to get some of the bits back in my door, & a lot of the casing contents in the right places (I think) BUT I'm left with a U shaped piece & a long thin part that has the number C029F on it. Any help would be greatly appreciated as I can't even close my front door until the locksmith comes tomorrow afternoon. I had to use sellotape to close it over so my dog wouldn't escape & we're going to have to put our shoe benches in front of it for tonight & I'm having 2 sleep downstairs - nightmare!

[@llisntcoolj2375]

Era vectis are absolutely garbage mpls.

[@alf3071]

these are unreliable af

[@stevebrown8163]

Thank you