Inside ArenaNet’s Secret RPG Project

[@TriptychGaming]

Apologies for the scuffed audio in parts of this video-still coming to terms with the new audio setup.

[@Tenelia]

Speaking as a PM and dev, most people don't understand enough about the nitty gritty of MMO optimization. Unreal Engine is great for asset and multi-team collaboration; it's great to ensure the whole org gets patched assets pushed out without having to manually fetch and reload it. But again, all of this assumes the technical directors and managers know what they're doing. However, everything we've seen from AN indicates they aren't really receptive to new technologies AND work processes. Take a look at FrostGiant games. Even with famous devs and managers from the Blizzard side of things, the "starcraft 2 killer" is crap.

[@SilentTM]

Even a revamp of GW2 with brand new graphics would already be friggin awesome

[@TheCooderix]

A brand new engine, with good performance, without camera smoothing and controller support would be the literal best thing in the world.

[@Riaining7]

I think a lot of people wouldn't mind that, but it probably won't be that. ArenaNet is known for innovation and creativity. They're definitely going to be striking at a chance for a totally new and invigorating experience. They're one of the few developers I actually believe in to deliver us something centered on Art & Story, where all devs should devote their time and energy. I wish I could consult with them, cheaply and enthusiastically. I want to see ArenaNet eclipse Blizzard in player numbers. They truly deserve the recognition for what they've delivered to players since GW1.

[@SilentTM]

@@Riaining7 i'm not expecting it or suggesting it! :D

[@madelaki]

Graphics are the least of GW2's problems. The whole no trinity, horizontal progression thing (which they had to backpedal on later) didn't work at all. The setting is pretty awful too. EverQuest has more players than GW2, and that game isn't exactly a looker.

[@SilentTM]

@madelaki you dont understand gw2 clearly. Horizontal progression is why ppl play this.

[@POsearching]

i think an aspect that's not usually talked about that's made GW2 so special is that its PvE experience is designed a lot like a PvP experience, with things like the boon and condition system making it so that if you are knowledgeable about the games workings you have an advantage, and the fact that there is a semi-rigid powerlevel cap so endgame winds up being more about HOW you play and set up your build rather than the trap that a lot of MMORPGs have where your performance is by and large just dictated by your powerlevel (from gear or from levels) and already knowing how hyperspecific PvE mechanics function because you have read a guide.

[@josheror2455]

I'm always stunned by how GOOD GW2 looks given it's age. It is still gorgeous.

[@calebgilbert2093]

lol GW 1 is 20 years old and looks better than some modern MMOs

[@missk1697]

cap

[@Corusame]

I'm excited to see what they've got cooking. Some talented fellows.

[@hdaNhun]

All the talent left a decade ago. Whatever they make will flop. GW2 is good because of devs who were driven out by the activist that infest it now. They can't make games anymore.

[@Fishpasta4]

Realistically Guild Wars 3 has to be at some point of development by now. The content slowdown post End of Dragons unfortunately just reeks of a studio scrambling because the reality is the main story of Guild Wars 2 is complete. The Elder Dragons were the the entire premise of the story and that is now finished with the original 6 now dead and Aurene is asleep potentially until Guild Wars 3. The introduction of the Kryptis and the return of the Titans feels more like filler while we wait for the next game to be completed, instead of a replacement as primary antagonists which is something the game is now sorely missing as without it the narrative just feels hollow and without purpose.

[@JingLan69]

That might also just be because of the nature of episodic content. The game will never again have the time and budget it had before launch, where they could set up a whole world intertwined to serve the overarching story. It is always just smaller chunks, and those tend to be self-contained (even if some events might resuse old maps).

[@RecklessFables]

I don't know if you have played World of Warcraft, but their model makes it so that you don't ever need a new game because they keep keep rebooting every 2 years. guild wars 2 players probably would not appreciate that. However, they've pretty much sold us every piece of fashion they can at this point. Once I saw they gave us bikinis I knew it was pretty much over. There's an end game to rven fashion and they could just resell us all of the old fashion if they go to a guild war. 3.

[@pablofernandogonzalezolmos8472]

What i regret about GW3, as veteran player from GW1, is that i arrived late to GW2, and all the effort i am doing for make the legendaries will be thrown to trash ( or Monuments Hall will grant me a cute pet, or some cosmetic) and start all over again. Of course i can continue playing GW2, until that will become dead, as happened to GW1, even if i can today enter to GW1, but nobody will be there.

[@RecklessFables]

​@@pablofernandogonzalezolmos8472yeah, and as soon as they admit GW3 is real, the gem store will tank.

[@loganfournier8852]

Yea personally I think the story should've ended with end of dragons it wraps up the story so nicely and it's one of the best and most fulfilling endings to a story like that that ive seen.

[@Gravesaurus]

I have 2000 hours in GW2. I have played many, many MMOs, from AOL days to present. I WANT ARENANET TO MAKE A NEW MMORPG. I'd be fine with either GW3 or a new IP. If you don't take risks, you will miss out on so much. Think about how innovative GW2 was on launch. Would you want to miss out on something transformative like that, rather than just iterating on the same old dated engine forever? I'm sure people are scared because newer MMOs seem to monetized in predatory ways, to the point of ruining the game design. That might happen. But we won't know until they make it, and I will give them the benefit of the doubt.

[@Nodiee1]

I like this attitude on MMOs. I get that a lot of people get really invested in their MMO characters--I'm sure some people still play some that they created around launch, but at a point you have to realize that a game can and should end so that something new and exciting can come out in its place. So many people are constantly champing at the bit for good, new MMOs, but are completely unwilling to have the devs of already popular MMOs replace their old MMO with a new one, even though they would be the ones with the most MMO dev experience, and so would probably have the skills to build better MMOs. You can generally only patch improvements onto an old game so much, and the more content you pile into a game the more off-putting it can become to be players. If you really want exciting new innovations you have to accept that the old has to go out at some point so the new can come in.

[@mnemonix1315]

I hope they return to the dual class system from GW1, or I'm good. I had 800 hours in GW1 tier 1 hall of heroes pvper, barley touched GW2 classes felt so basic.

[@calebgilbert2093]

Go to GW 1 it’s an entirely different game.

[@ohwhatworld5851]

I just want them to bring back customizable Heroes which we had in GW1. I want to theory craft my team of heroes with hundreds of skills and give them Armor and weapons again. I miss that so much.

[@cottonstring_catman]

The only issue with traditional questing is that you can loose interest in the story and just have a 'to-do' panel. GW2 made it feel like you're just wandering around helping random people. I do think GW3 will follow the 'no equipment limits' like throne and liberty / new world.

[@TriptychGaming]

I agree. Ideally I would like to see them take a second stab at ‘redesigning’ quests. Their solution in GW2 ended up being hearts but I’m curious what they would do if they had to start over.

[@caerphoto]

@@TriptychGaming they 'redesigned' quests as hearts more as an afterthought because dynamic events weren't enough by themselves. Then they basically added traditional quests back into the game anyway, except they hid them in the Achievements system. I like the ideas Wooden Potatoes had in his recent video about how these "don't call them quests" could be moved to their own panel in the GW2 UI.

[@TriptychGaming]

Yea, I’d love to see what the game could have looked like if they started with ‘side stories’ + dynamic events.

[@ryukjoga]

GW2 is by far, my favorite mmo! I completely agree with you about the possibilities of improvement in case it's in fact, GW3. I'm also a fan of the competitive aspect and i hope they do it right

[@visoroverwatch3247]

GW3 needs to happen. Throne and Liberty should had not.

[@rafaelteles4161]

TL is a collective delirium. That piece of ass of a game took TWENTY years to release. It's literally sad

[@Riaining7]

@@rafaelteles4161 Not really 20 years. NCSoft has loads of bare bones game-engines and systems that they have been taking off the shelf with different game directors at their lead. Since before Lineage 2. The problem is, they're doing it to make a profit, and they're not doing it because they're passionate about Art & Story. If NCsoft could get out of their game innovators way, they could make something that would last and touch peoples hearts. That's why ArenaNet succeeds; because the focus is on Art and Story first, and they very fairly monetize it. ArenaNet has captured the peoples hearts of those that gave them a chance, and that's why ANet is NCsofts most successful studios that they publish for.

[@SiopeR]

Casuals won't pvp unless they throw there INSANE amount of easy to obtain rewards. Pvp mmo's always die super fast, because majority of playerbase doesn't rly give a fck about it and choose games like LoL, Valorant etc if they want to fight other players. FFXIV and WoW are so big because they invest almost everything into pve and casual players and add end game challenges for them.

[@yahootube90]

Truth is that MMO PVP just isn't that good compared to simpler games. MMOs aren't really designed to be balanced for PVP. They are also heavily designed to be latency-tolerant upwards of 500 ping, which makes competitive PVP quite strange. I'm like those people you mention. If I want competitive PVP, I'll go play a genre that can actually support it properly.

[@cmcginn3610]

One thing they could do is center the GW3 on a whole new area of the world, therefore not "remaking" GW2. They could even have the two interact once in awhile.

[@curseyou_bayle]

We will see it in 2030-2035

[@ShiloBuff]

Absolutely love how unique Guild Wars is, both the original and sequel. Even though I don't play it, it's always inspiring to see a game that isn't afried to be different. Looking forward to any new project.

[@GrimDarkHalfOff]

ArenaNet is one of the few companies I respect given their pricing model for GW2 being the only actual B2P model I've seen out there for MMOs. Plus GW2 is incredibly fun gameplay loop wise. That being said, I hope I get to see a new universe and story (which is the weakest part of the GW franchise) wrapped in a single player open world bundle from ArenaNet. I want to see what their version of an elder scrolls game would be. I want it to have mod support and I hope a huge community forms around it!

[@xeridian]

Weakest??? Totally disagree, and many others would as well.

[@Riaining7]

@@xeridian Yeah, GW2 has always been centered on Art and Story first. That's why the players fell in love with it. They even ditched the side-by-side dialogues (rightly so) after the base game. They learn from their mistakes. Now they need to learn from another mistake: the mistake of not implementing more gameplay interactions with the griffon flight mechanics. Totally the best system in the entire game, and the main reason I still play GW2. I want to be able to fly my griffon into portals to new zones, and emerge out the other side at the same speed that I went in. That would totally transform GW2 for me, and many others.

[@battlebots1]

It seems hard to believe they would invest so much in updating GW2 core systems if the next project was meant to replace it; however, if it is 5+ years away I suppose that's believable. My theory has been that it will be an ARPG set in Tyria similar to GW1, POE, etc.

[@TriptychGaming]

I talk about GW3 as an MMO quite a bit in this video, but I’d be really excited about something like what you're suggesting here.

[@noobs12332]

Tbh mmorpg not bright enough for future, new generation not really into mmo. Most of player for mmorpg now is same ppl as past and same generation whos jumping from one mmo to others. Thts why alot of "new" Mmorpg from Kickstarter others big company stop doing it. Nowdays you need really good system or like r/mmorpg say "Ultimate mmorpg" Bc mmorpg market is old ppl (mostly 30++) their market not kid anymore. On our generation many of us play when we are on elementary, internet cafe pack of player whos play it, nowdays none.

[@elwiseguy69]

I want the slightly slower tactical pace of GW1

[@jorgerecord4959]

@@noobs12332 The new generations will play the same as a father or grandfather who loves mmorpg

[@Riaining7]

I hope GW3 tackles the "teleport" problem. Where people are appearing and disappearing in the blink of the eye. The only thing that keeps people in any one place for any duration is events. When the event ends, people generally disappear to the next event. Man, I wish I could consult with ArenaNet. I've got a whole playbook I've been keeping notes in for YEARS, just waiting for my chance to place myself at the helm as a game director with underlings that believe in my vision and game-playing experience. If it never happens, I'm going to invest in my own game studio to fulfill these visions. Most of the people anxious over Ashes of Creation (I am not one of them btw) are salivating over that game because Steven played L2, and said he wanted to bring a Lineage 2-like experience to the new era of MMO's. I don't think they're gonna be able to do it. If NCsoft simply re-deployed L2 under the proper leadership, with a new and well-established game engine, they would make money hand-over-foot, so long as they monetized it fairly like ArenaNet does in their GW franchise.

[@jorgerecord4959]

Exacto!

[@whoisime]

Additionally one of the earlier job postings for a combat designer said they "have a bold vision for a next generation MMORPG combat system" so I think the unannounced project being a new MMO is a pretty safe bet. Excited to see what they cook up.

[@Oryyyt]

The hybrid system is already perfect imo. Not for everyone but for those it clicks with like myself, it's addicting and very difficult to drop. I coudln't ask for anything better mechanically. Just needs cleaner animations, fx and ui to make action look better. But I see Riot's mmo is also contending with trying to define next-gen mmo combat. Though the latest job posting says they're going full 3rd person actio-combat.

[@TheParaxore]

Guild Wars 3 fur sure

[@whoisime]

@@TheParaxore Yup. Too many points leading to a gw3 and then NCsoft outright name dropping it last year. I'd be shocked if it was anything else.

[@TheParaxore]

@@whoisime hopefully it's still a semi traditional MMO like GW2 instead of a complete departure

[@gkoogz9877]

Their latest patch was so tiny and disappointing and low effort.

[@Navhkrin]

I have always been impressed with how ArenaNet managed to support GW2 all these years but never got into game myself because I think it is outdated. If they make GW3 or a new MMORPG. I will 100% purchase it.

[@RPGCrash]

a lot of talk about what gw2 modes and features could look like in gw3 but as i see it gw2 basically abandoned all forms of content that were available in gw1; i struggle to see the point in making gw3 a gw2 clone, they can just update gw2. it will have its own modes and features and flavours.

[@sanguin3]

Making a new game should be easier I suppose. Some problems such as combat basically designed around having 100% boon uptime have run so deep that it's just better to scrap all and make a new system. Moreover, the story also feels like it has no more space to expand further.

[@AttilaHendrich]

"they can just update gw2" Yes, in theory they could. The weakest part of GW2 is its engine, which while theoretically could be ported to DX12/Vulcan or the whole game could be ported to another engine eg. Unreal, it would be an enormous endeavor, and the size of GW2 would mean that they would had to test it extremly throughly that they did not mess anything up, collision works 100% the same, mount accelerations work 100% the same, movement skill, particle effects etc etc etc. Now add several systems level issues (useless hero and mastery points for vets, lack of space for new stat combos and specs, mounts braking core exploration etc.) and how we sort of ran out of story with EoD, and it just making a new game also make sense.

[@Riaining7]

It's basically impractical and extremely time-consuming to fix old code. It's always better to start new, because most of the time, as years trudge forward, the talent that made the thing to begin with moves on, and the experts that know why it was made, are no longer available for consultation. For people who have never worked in programming, it's a lot like editing someone elses writing. You often times end up completely re-writing the thing entirely, regardless how well the first thing was made. A good writer is nothing else but a good editor, but that doesn't translate into programming. It's always more efficient to start new, and learn from the limitations of the past.

[@RPGCrash]

@@Riaining7 thats what they did with gw2 and it came out competely different from gw1.

[@scullyy]

Not to mention it was definitely the focus on PvP which drove the need for a good combat system to begin with. Without PvP who knows what combat will look like in GW3.

[@ByteSizedBlisss]

Whenever I say Gw2 is in maintenance mode the fan boys and girls would protest. Anet has 300+ employees and the last expansions we got were utterly mediocre. My guess is they work on GW3

[@Riaining7]

All the top talent are building something new. I'm kinda okay with this, but I wish GW2 had a team of top talent that was still innovating the space. If they can't do that for GW2, they should at least build a team specifically devoted to polishing the old GW2 game, eliminating every possible bug. Consider it even a trial-by-fire for new hires, to see if they have what it takes to tackle complex problems and problem solving 'spaghetti code' as some might call any custom developed engine.

[@mishking9547]

Only issue i ever heard people complain about with unreal engine 5 is the online/server structure isnt as good as other game engine that you can make mmos with but that could be fixed within a year or two (2026-27)

[@TriptychGaming]

Yea. I assume this is another area where the devs will be doing work on the engine behind the scenes.

[@Navhkrin]

Look at Throne and Liberty rocking massive battles and PvE events with no problems, instant travel across world with 1 sec loading screens. Furthermore Unreal has already has multiple decent MMORPG's aside from T&L. Lost Ark, Blade and Soul being some of them. AoC managed to handle 6K players even on Alpha build. Whoever says UE doesn't have good networking is lying themselves. It is pretty decent.

[@TriptychGaming]

@@Navhkrin I forgot T&L is on UE. Good example. Feels very polished in that regard.

[@DerechteAlbrechtDürer]

One of the main problems with UE5 is that it handles water HORRIBLY and GW/GW2 is all about water. Have you seen the water in Once Human? It's laughably bad. Also, the chat system for UE5 is non-existent, so it will need to be slapped on somehow and again, the examples we've seen in recent games are insulting. I hope to GOD they are NOT using UE5 for GW3.

[@Riaining7]

I think GW2 has the best underwater worlds of any game. Perhaps No Man's Sky is a close second. I bet they will make GW3 be as good as 2. Here's to hoping and believing. I do believe ArenaNet will deliver us something worthwhile.

[@Navhkrin]

Lmao at Unreal handling "water" horribly. Look dude you know absolutely nothing about game development or how water even works on video games. Water is literally a clever slapped onto a 2D plane. You can program this shader any way you want. There is no difference among how any game engine (including custom ones) in this aspect. Unreal does offer some default implementations for indie studios but that is about it. "Chat system for UE5 is nonexistent". Do you even realize how MMORPG chat systems work? You end up creating a separate backend for chat servers which client establishes a websocket communication to. It doesn't matter what game engine you are using for this. This is all pretty standard stuff that even an intern should have no trouble implementing. Do you want this game to succeed or not? If so, you WANT this game to be built with UE5. Trust me.

[@Spartan21111]

Completely wrong, they should NEVER DO quests. They should focus on the DYNAMIC EVENT system and make that good, that willl replace quests 10 fold.

[@BigJambu]

I never managed to get into GW2 because I just don't vibe with weapon swapping or half my bar being predefined by what weapon I have. Fully aware this in an unpopular opinion but if it is GW3 I hope that's gone personally :D

[@mebrandonb]

Nice video! What is that footage of the ARAM style map from? I see spears so it must be recent, is that a new arena we're getting soon?

[@TriptychGaming]

Thanks! It's the new PvP push mode that has been in testing recently. Footage taken from a dev livestream. It should be up on the GW2 KZbin channel.

[@ftlfx]

NO! if you want to play archaic questing systems go play FF14!!! Other than that great work, also, if they make gw3 anything else but a mmorpg, it's doomed to fail. We won't see this game for at least 4-5 years if it ever releases, because they won't just kill their cash cow while the milk isn't soured.

[@benoitrousseau4137]

I don't think GW3 will be a single-player game, but I think it will be built as a solo-first experience, similar to "MMO-lites" like Diablo IV. If you enter any dungeon solo then you get a solo dungeon. If you then invite your wife then the dungeon scales up to 2 players, but at no point will you ever need to "fill up the party" and use a dungeon finder because the instance will adapt to your party size. IIRC personal story instances already work like that in GW2, but I think GW3 will apply that to the whole game, from the story instance to the end-game raids.

[@Kotwurf]

I hope GW3 will be real some day

[@Aranimda]

ArenaNet has been recruiting devs for an unannounced project for years and years. Perhaps from 2016 already, maybe even earlier. They specifically asked for people with experience developing from modern consoles and Unreal Engine 4 (Now 5). So far nothing tangible ever came from it. I rather see them recruit for Guild Wars 2 and focus on Guild Wars 2.

[@MagicBot.1570]

Hello, this is Colin. I have just stumbled upon your comment. How could I be so blind? I am backtracking on recruitement for gw3 immediately. It's time to hire a hundred gw2 devs.

[@AttilaHendrich]

Do you have links for that? (It is indeed well known that there have been multiple projects going on the background during PoF's era so somewhere between 2016-19, one of those was a mobile game based on leaked arts, but yes there have been arts for something "bigger" too. But I can't seem to remember there being explicit mentions of Unreal or console. ... Also the "unannounced project" as a direct tag is relatively new for their job positions AFAIK, it has only appeared in mid 2022.)

[@RecklessFables]

Yup, that is my understanding as well. ​@@AttilaHendrich

[@whoisime]

@@AttilaHendrich You're right, All previous projects got cancelled in 2019. Anet currently have 2 things in development that we know of. Gw2 and then this new 'unannounced project' which is an unreal engine mmo for PC and Console that started up some time around late 2021 and has been ongoing since.

[@talzumon101]

I left other MMOs to Gw2 because the questing experience is so good in Gw2!

[@Phantaram]

Did not expect to see myself in the video lol

[@mind-less]

Guild Wars 2 Remastered / Remade / Reworked / Reborn would be perfectly fine too. 👍

[@Shtiriputanac]

Maybe they’re making a game about wars between guilds. Hope they go back to the cleaner, a bit more grounded art direction of the first game.

[@TriptychGaming]

Couldn't agree more about the Art Direction!

[@OrginalRaxor]

Been in GW2 since launch, and been to the Arena like twice... Did do a fair bit of WvW but often as a tag-along a running raidgroup, leecheing of them. I get what you mean by competative and PvP, but tis really not for me, but that dosnt mean i want to play a solo RPG... I the rest of GW2, i havent done many raids, but dungeons, fractal, convergences, Dragon Response and so much more with my friends who play, and event, metas and so much more when they are not online... I hope they keep EVERYTHING in GW3 and add quests to it too, and better PvP and More story lines. Better everything, just dont change the combat system, or the class system to much, Dont make it Healer/DPS/Tank... And dont make it Quests only, but of course adding quests would make it easier to get into, and later on quests could even be "Do this, or that" achivement. Its also easier to add a few new quests on regular shedule, and more often, (one could argue that the story, and wizards vault are kinda quests), just for the love of god, dont do kill 10 bears, gatger 7 ears quests...

[@GregoryMichalski]

i dont want gw3 i want them to update gw2 engine and release proper large scale expansions.

[@macabrecreation1067]

Who knows, maybe GW3 will be a BIG remake like what happened to CSGO to CS2 🤗

[@RecklessFables]

It is always a little concerning when a whole new team works on the new product for the current IP while the old team is still working on the current product. The current team would have a lot of insight to the fans that the new blood doesn't.

[@rept7]

If they bring back "kill 15 bears" style traditional quests, it'd be a step back. If they kept dynamic events but also had quests like at least ESO handles it (go to place, follow story to help them out), then good. Personally, I'm hoping the game plan for GW3 is at least "GW2 but with full action combat." Give me a MMO without rotations, and my life is their's.

[@TriptychGaming]

I agree. I probably should have explained more about what I had in mind for questing. Basically I’d be interested in seeing them rework hearts to look more like the side stories achievements they introduced in EoD (I think).

[@rept7]

I'm not too familiar with the system, unless we're talking about what they did for Halloween two years ago. I recall a proper "quest" you could do for it, where you investigated rifts and sometimes got jumped in the process, at least as one of the steps. In which case, just adding a proper quest journal and correlating icons on the map would go a long way. I'd just need those quests to be either *interesting*.

[@fenikslied]

Getting me to move from GW2 is a tough sell. I've been working on full legendary for over 6 years. I'm not in the mood to start over. I've got full trinkets, full sigils and runes, legendary relic, full set of legendary leather armor, close to finishing a cloth set that's a mix of PVP, envoy and open world armor+ 250 LI. I have a legendary spear, eternity, Aurene's Bite + 2 variants, Nevermore, Chuka and Champawat, H.O.P.E. and Astralaria. I'm not sure I can give all that up. It'd be really disappointing for Anet to abandon the game that got me to quit wow when i'm so close to getting full legendary builds. I soft disagree with you though, PVP and WvW have been seeing more players lately I think with the reworks.

[@바보Queen]

ill come back to guildwars when 3 comes out, i dont mind if they just use AI voices to make everything voiced.. reading sucks.. PVP in mmos is too hard to learn.. i play one class, how am i supposed to know how the other 10+ classes work to play against them or with them.. nobody has that amount of time.. most pvp shooters or fighting games u can easily learn other characters, not mmos

[@tydeb1780]

straight up, the only way (other than an amazing game) that any mmo is going to be massively successful and not completely die, is having intentional servers. low ping is a must these days. if you ran a poll to all international outside of US and EU, i would bet that 90% of people will say they wont play a game with high ping, its removes motivation for competitiveness from a majority, just looking at high regardless of if the game is still playable is enough to make people not take it seriously, and quit/never even try the game, so if they want to be successful they may have find a work around for wvw. we are to use to having local servers these days. fight me all you want but that's the truth.

[@philadams493]

editing was done so well i joined channel

[@NicolasToroClark]

i love gw2, and i have been pouring some extra bucks besides teh expansions, but i really really really want a GW3 in ue5. I dont mind it takes another couple years. GW2 is an amazing decade old game.... but IS an decade old game. and when i guess a gw3 could drop, it will probably be a 15 years old game at least. so much stuff have happened since the release that arena net could take notes and improve, and would be imposible to implement right in gw2. Lumen, naninte, Breath of the wild, hero shooters, animal crossing craze, fortnite, an explosion of games with fun crafting, some interesting animation pipelines... tons of character creators. a ton of stuff it could take notes from. gw2 character creation is actually pretty solid, specially for such an old game. but imagine if you could also use stuff as props attached to bones, like soul calibur games, decals, stickers and different materials for clothes.. customize your voice lines, or customize your out of combat animations... imagine if when you choose if your character is harsh, or dignified, or charismatic personality, it could also get reflected in its out of combat animations.

[@Nellyaa]

We don't need vast spaces filled by procedural generation or an "AI"... A smaller world that is very tightly crafted with purpose is worth a lot more. Otherwise your takes are mostly solid imho.

[@GregoryMichalski]

but this moron has a problem with maps having portals ( oh no! ) hes impressed by inconsequential tech, procedural generation would likely make the game worse, just hire more map designers what are we paying you for!?

[@TriptychGaming]

I don’t necessarily disagree. I’m interested in how this tech could be used, but the main reason I talked about it in this video is because it’s very likely to play a role based off of the information from the Senior Engineer Programmer. Thanks for giving the video a watch!

[@Ithirahad]

Traditional quests are just... bad, usually. More chores than quests, and they have zero consequence on the game world after they're completed. Procedural, randomized tasks that have tangible effects (potion prices going down after collecting alchemical ingredients for instance) are fine, and I do agree that a system should exist in GW3 to deliver story sidequests without awkwardly bodging them into an achievement framework like GW2 does, but no new game should lean on truly traditional questing. The usual situation of having to do utterly meaningless "10 bear pelts" quests for thirty years before you can meaningfully interact with headline features that only open up when you achieve endgame stats, is IMO is one of the things that has kept MMOs as kind of a sideshow in the wider gaming scene.

[@TriptychGaming]

What you describe here is more what I had in mind. I would basically like to see an expanded side story system that doesn’t have to rely on recording VO. To me that is ArenaNets best take on traditional questing and I enjoy them more than hearts personally. I did a poor job explaining that in this video.

[@c.j.shotgunangel8905]

Stoped this game after end of dragon for good. Got worse and worse sadly

[@Mod4All]

Guild Wars 3: =) Unreal Engine 5: =(

[@echoradius2299]

Counterpoint - the gaming community is saturated with games specifically designed for PvP. Those people should play those games instead, leaving more resources available for proper development for a larger, more complete, PvE MMO.

[@emanate0]

man focusing on esports was such a mistake. would've been better to have smaller in house tournaments and focus on expanding their game early on, it felt like it was released 75% done they better have a wvw mode with gvg in their next game. they have the best rvr gameplay on the market PLS add hundreds of skills like in gw1. the puny amount of skills in gw2 was such a failure

[@mikee8589]

would be cool if they can shift the new technology and convert gw2 into gw3 without doing a whole new game. we dont know what can happen in 10 years or more technology science

[@ealden5146]

Great video!

[@nakofoefire]

So far, the team has learned from their mistakes. Gives me hope that they will continue with that for the new game. Looking at TL, they probably learned a lot from there too.

[@vukkulvar9769]

It would be awesome to have a continuous open world without loading screens. And randomly generated fractals of the mists would be awesome for the exploration and replayability. I hope GW3 would have proper healers. No boon ball. E-Sport is dead, but sPvP is the worst game mode of GW2. GvGvG is what we need, but it need better balance instead of being all boon ball.

[@justice_1337]

Probably a single player focus with potential for grouping. It will likely be pvp lite. The pve is what sells in gw2, the pvp is bloat that they gave up on for the most part. I think it would make more sense as a prequel.

[@ryuno2097]

Nothing wrong with having a new GW game. I played GW1, when they introduced GW2 I was excited and play it for years. I'm excited for GW3, only thing is i'm getting older and I hope I'll be able to play it when it's released.

[@_z3phyr5]

I'm fine with reused assets. They've created enough they just gotta play with more content.

[@chuiu]

Traditional questing kinda never left GW, they just made it worse by hiding it in the hearts system. Completing hearts around the game requires you to do one of a few things. Usually these things are: kill enemies, gather objects, interact with objects, etc. All of which are common quest objectives in your normal mmos. If GW was to return to a normal questing system then I would want it to be like GW1s, where there is no such thing as a 'kill 10 enemies' or 'gather 10 things' style of questing. Instead gw1 quests were interactive and had you actually doing things and helping people in the world. They were what events and meta events in gw2 are.

[@Oryyyt]

Janthir Wilds is actually updated the heart system. Same principle of just filling out the heart but there's more variety in tasks like participating in events and actual quests in a much wider radius.

[@chuiu]

@Oryyyt participating in events to fill hearts is something that's been in there a while, maybe even since the start. But I haven't played since the last expansion so I don't know much about the newer content

[@Oryyyt]

@@chuiu Yeah but area radius where you could fill out the hearts in are smaller and more contained. In Janthir it's like there's 1 heart the covers every 3rd of a map. And there are actual quests now you interact with individually.

[@jorgerecord4959]

This Mmorpg will be bigger and more beautiful than the creation smoke itself. Guild Wars 3 WIN!

[@tropiq]

im really not excited about the switch to ue5, most of the announced ue5 projects and some that are out there look very same-ish and run like absolute crap compared to actually optimized engines like idtech, also gw2 has some great technologies that might be hard to port over like the fact that it hasn't been down for maintenance in years, that its still playable with relatively high pings etc, i understand that the job market skews heavily in favor of ue development but i really dislike that trend, we'll just have to see if new projects from all these companies that ditched their own engines pan out

[@elementochannel6994]

excited for ANet's upcoming projects.

[@Maebbie]

at this point we may as well move on to gatcha games. no real multiplayer but at least they put their funds into the actual game.

[@mnemonix1315]

I hope they return to the dual class system from GW1, or I'm good. I had 800 hours in GW1 tier 1 hall of heroes pvper, barley touched GW2 classes felt so basic.

[@emimeemio]

Hopefully there will be world vs wold like competitive game mode in GW3 because I play almost only it now in GW2. Roaming 4ever :D

[@pythonxz]

All these AAA studios switching to UE5 is worrying. They want to treat employees like cogs that they can replace.

[@mikim.6338]

Console support can actually by a bad thing. You will end up with ESO-like MMORPG. And ESO is ok, but I don't want Guild Wars to became a clone of other MMO. Most important (and reasonable) arguments for switching to Unreal Engine are related to people and engine itself. First - it's easier to find good, skilled employees for Unreal Engine than for some custom engine. Also those people will be able to join project and start bringing value into it a lot easier than when working with custom engine. It's also easier to get help with some issues (because other studios use this engine too and there is a chance that someone else already found a solution to this). Second - GW2 engine is terribly old and outdated. ArenaNET wouldn't be able to easly update their engine for modern hardware and technologies. So they had two options - build new engine from scratch or use commonly available one. And building their own engine would take so much time that it's pointless for them to do that. Studio is so small that their engine would be always years behind new (not newest) technologies.

[@Pixelbendr]

I would suggest watching ThreatInteractive's breakdown on why UE5 is not good, seeing as how terribly optimized GW2 is, we can also safely assume Anet would put no effort into optimizing this new project with how badly UE5 hogs resources out of the gate.

[@Anawsomeplauge]

Personally I really hope its GW2.5 rather than 3

[@paragonexperience]

hope their next mmo is released without a box price, people don't want to try gw2

[@yahootube90]

It was a fun experiment, but GW2 proved to me that real class roles just work better - tanks, healers, crowd control, etc. They seemed to realize it along the way and tried to make more healing specs on classes, for example. WvW was a good idea, but the static instanced nature of the battlegrounds made it a fairly pointless loop. That kind of system just works better when it's actually part of the world and there's real territorial benefits to taking objectives.

[@SmileyCurse]

as long as they don't have asura in this new game or maybe make them the enemy i will be happy

[@JosephSaintClair]

As long as they don’t undo the fast paced action combat system but instead polish it more (like how annoying is placement abilities in high apm rotations?) I’ll be happy !! And. If they fix the major key issues of sPvP, and make it far less technical to master so more to ranked and competitive versions, that’d be the best !!

[@Perisemiotics]

no offense but this video was basically about the insides of your own single mind and your own subjective takes on the GW franchise, game modes, and design philosophy, than anything about their next project, other than a couple screenshots from their listings page which I'm sure anyone clicking into this video has already seen.

[@anon3118]

Controller support and I'll get it for sure. Gw1 and gw2 have great pvp. Ima support it 💯

[@tim5022]

To call this "inside secret gw project" and then list two job listing's and proceed to give your opinions on gw2 features and why you liked gw2 is pretty laughable lol. 10/10 research will be back.

[@AxisZtv-Gaming]

So here's what I'll say with my VERY limited knowledge about UE5. From what I understand the traditional mmorpg framework has to be custom built for UE5. There isn't really an out of the box blueprint for something like WoW. However, UE5 seems to handle "lobby based" multiplayer very well and has a framework for that integration, so things like The First Descendant (korean Destiny) would be a simpler task. So, if there's a shift to UE5 I would expect something closer to lobby based stuff unless they have a custom solution in mind for mmo scaling.

[@TriptychGaming]

Interesting info! I kind of assumed they would just have to build this MMO infrastructure themselves but it makes me wonder if they are leaning towards an MMO lite.

[@Navhkrin]

@@TriptychGaming It isn't as hard to do as it sounds. Unreal already has pretty sophisticated and extensible network stack. What you want is to write a MMO network adapter to integrate onto Unreals system.

[@nebylicza]

My gripe wit GW2 is the same as with any MMORPG - it’s to damn hard and time consuming. Half of the time I’m reading the Wiki, using thirdparty tools and just trying to wrap my head around stuff. Also, a lot of Gw2 UI designs are sooo bad and slow that it makes me love the game less.

[@luistomas2938]

I play for 12yrs and all i use is arcdps. Gw2 is the most casual friendly mmo ive played till this date mate. Maybe if you are a new player and aiming for big stuff right off the bat that can be overwhelming, só take it slow and enjoy the Journey

[@nebylicza]

@ being easier doesn’t mean it’s easy. If you don’t understand that GW2 does a bad job at explaining most things then you are out of touch. Probably because you’ve been playing for so long. BTW do you by chance want a friendly albeit less skilled player to play with? :D

[@luistomas2938]

@@nebylicza i dont mind helping you out honestly, ir giving advices. As of right now Im just logging for weeklies and then when new content comes out. Its basically maintenance mode ATM. Add Riku Suigin ingame and mail me.

[@KumaBearOso]

My ideal world is a Tyrian version of Diablo or Baulder's Gate 3.

[@Moonshainu]

Solid advice...focus resources on a game mode that a minoruty of the community is playing, no ty.

[@c.j.shotgunangel8905]

Stoped this game after end of dragon for good. Got worse and worse sadly. Even if this is gw3 we would have to wait up to 4 more years to see something i dont believe they survive that long honestly

[@QueryState]

Eod was trash, the game got better after that expansion though. Gw2 is amazing.

[@bokan800]

As a long time Guild Wars player (since GW1 to GW2), I wont be playing another MMO. I think they need to pivot and create a different type of game based on the GW lore.

[@mnemonix1315]

Or just return to GW1s game play loop.

[@n3lix]

Great video. However, i doubt gw3

[@shikouji]

i really really fucken hope its not guild wars 3 i want more guild wars 2 content with the character ive grown and leveled with

[@MagicBot.1570]

Nobody cares

[@Aeon373]

This may just be a whole new IP im all for it either way

[@TriptychGaming]

I’d be interested in a new IP, though I realize I forgot to mention earlier reports suggesting the new project is based on an existing fantasy IP. Still might not be Guild Wars but who knows.

[@KROOF]

I'm so early but I'm so excited to see a new video notification :D

[@TriptychGaming]

Hiya! Thanks for stopping in. Hope you are doing well! 😊

[@noobs12332]

Tbh as company anet late to make others game/going to others market (mobile), only have one product suicide for it. The failure about making others project on past bc bad management but it need. If we looking on quarterly report are stable but for company like that thts stagnant progress and not sustainable for long therm especially there are mobile market really big on the face, tbh tht stupid decision they are not jump to mobile market (from company POV). If we are like genshin player/wow/ff whos frequently give money to anet, its ok for them to focus only to gw2, gw2 not big enough and not good generate money from player, their market only on western unlike wow or ff whos have both bc they are famous IP and bc gw2 system not eastern enough. In the end only one product with small market is bad decisions they did till now

[@matthill2166]

Nice vid! Thanks

[@TriptychGaming]

Thanks for watching!

[@TheMadHatter56]

8:58 Yo Greystone 😂

[@SuicidalSheep]

I hope a new GW but more like GW1 and a holy trinity. GW2 wasn’t for me sadly.

[@NioRabe]

Honestly i don´t like pvp and the thing i love in GW2 is the point to be able to play single, with others, and single amongst others (you know what i mean). Have big world events with many players and no need to form enervating raidgroups or something like this. It is perfect as it is. If they implement more pvp-possibilities i´m ok with that, as long as that doesn´t mean that the rest will be sacrificed for it. Than GW3 would be a great "nono" for me. and i know that i´m not alone with this.

[@Rabidconscience]

I just wish Arenanet would realize that maybe if every time they try to shift attention to a new project other than gw2, it’s turned out to fail, and that GW2 has consistently proven itself to be an asset keeping the company alive. Replacing it just seems like 1. A waste of resources 2. A disappointment to the people who have gotten so invested in gw2 who would have to essentially ditch all their progress if GW2 is getting replaced

[@TriptychGaming]

I definitely never thought GW3 would be a thing until the NCSoft slip. If it happens the jump from GW2 -> GW3 will be much more difficult to convince people of. I think a lot of people feel similarly to you.

[@Oryyyt]

True but they also need to pull in new people. Gw2 has some things that keeps people from playing like the old graphics, awful ui and lots of technical constraints that make the game feel outdated. The long time playerbase is loyal but isn't growing. Probably not enough to sustain the game for them and that could be a factor why they're doing this.

[@Rabidconscience]

@@Oryyyt graphics seems like a pretty silly argument considering how the game looks compared to the other most popular mmos on the market

[@Oryyyt]

@@Rabidconscience Not it's not. I love Gw2 to death and I prefer it over anything but visually I'm just tolerating it now and I can't play without Reshade. It may have an amazing digital art direction but the graphical fidelity itself, the muddy textures, and lighting, the disjointed fighting animations, awfully tuned bloom that people just turn off is outdated compared to something like Throne and Liberty, BDO or even the mobile version of BDO. kzbin.info/www/bejne/bqrZfJebotmSgK8si=jPBSALG-51QdJJnN kzbin.info/www/bejne/o2Wll5p7mNWll6Msi=wuvoRhpMKwQ5__Ah

[@Rabidconscience]

@ question. What are the most popular mmos right now? Are you just going to ignore my point?

[@DeveloperShadow-d5f]

If the content is not like PoF or HoT, EoD and lws then gw3 will be big fail since the mechanics, the legendary, the Open World and etc are really engaging to play and explore, while new releases recent year like SoTo and JW feel very boring and repeat a lot process and steps which I feel like they just threw the content to players and did not care about the experience when players play their game. I can feel burning out comes soon to me.

[@nellone]

e-sports are failing everywhere... i hope they wont waste resources on that goal

[@YoanGenchev]

And here I am happy not to play PvP or WvW or competitive modes :D

[@Azsharah]

Let me save you all the effort: this is a click bait BS video, no actual proof, only recycled content from last year, there is no RPG, no official anet sing off, just some irrelevant dude trying to make quick views on his opinions. Honestly…shame on you for making such rubbish content!

[@mikepeterson4061]

Let's get this video some views

[@nellone]

if they let me skip dialogues i will buy even guild wars 4! :P

[@_z3phyr5]

Devs that made gw2 created a new special engine. Holy watching this is irritating.