The Ultimate MMO Tier List (Backed by SCIENCE) (sort of)

[@Influfferious]

This man is the reason why Google Sheets has the default option of "Add 1000 more rows"

[@TheNicestPig]

the other reason is EVE Online players.

[@LowTempDabr]

are you calling him a nerdf

[@Rai2M]

@@TheNicestPig Nope, we can keep everything in the head )

[@GeorgHaeder]

@@TheNicestPig 🤣🤣🤣👍

[@thisGuy481]

Google sheets is shit, god damn. What garbage ass software, even if free.

[@thecazar]

FreeMMOstation being the nemesis of this video was the best part

[@phoenixwulf6010]

because most Free MMOs are trash... due to their Paid gacha mechanics... and p2w... since they don't want to design good in game system to monetize without exploiting those..

[@nulshift]

@@phoenixwulf6010 i dont think you understand the comment you're replying to lmao

[@KingLich451]

@@nulshift deff no lol

[@hunger4wonder]

It's an abysmal channel. I watched a couple of videos years ago when i was searching for an alternative MMORPG and all their videos said best mmorpg and none were actual mmorpgs...

[@Kishuy]

@@phoenixwulf6010 Someone hasn't watched the video XD

[@MilangaEnjoyerUY]

One list to rule them all, one list to classify them, One list to bring all mmos and in the spreadsheet bind them

[@viciadodaemera3925]

That's amazing - this needs way more "thumbs up", Lol.

[@MilangaEnjoyerUY]

@@viciadodaemera3925 Thanks!

[@deejayf69]

poetiic

[@AscendantStoic]

Why the hell is this not pinned!?, Josh .. WHAT ARE YOU DOING!?

[@MilangaEnjoyerUY]

@@AscendantStoic playing poe 2 probably

[@FirebirdXIII]

Man, this is…. Truly remarkable. Outstanding research, even better delivery. Thank you!

[@ramrodbldm9876]

Lmao imagine donating and not even getting acknowledged 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@kracktive1470]

​@@ramrodbldm9876 don't do my man dirty , he looked happy :

[@ErikGsson]

if my game dont win, i unsub

[@Flammadrama]

Video will either become the gamer bible (my game won) or the focus of all of our rage (my game lost)

[@balaam_7087]

You worked on Black Myth Wukong didn’t you 😅

[@CynicalReprobate]

Mine already won solely by being the highest grossing video game of all time

[@Treeskrub]

Your game won let’s gooo

[@Daniel-q9f8p]

Congratulations!

[@tirwaderpwa9673]

Hey! I'm the person that uploaded the snippet of the Istaria video, my friends alerted me of this and I yelled out "JOSH STRIFE HAYES?!" when they went off of fullscreen LOL, Even if Istaria is a tiny baby game (and what he says about it is 100% true), I'm so happy to get noticed! (By the way, the clip shown in the video is of the hardest world boss in the game being soloed, I was extremely proud of it LOL) Thank you, even if this sits buried in the comments :P

[@rubababdullah2540]

Thanks for sharing your story.

[@harkennu]

comment to keep it up there

[@Waybear]

Horizons was amazing, I remember playing an elemental archer and soloing high level enemies with the freezing arrow lol. And had a lot of fun RPing back then. I didn’t even know it’s still around, good to hear.

[@tirwaderpwa9673]

@@Waybear Yeah, Order is near-dead but chaos is still pretty lively (for how the game is overall) if you ever want to come back! Especially with the anniversary event going on :) It's great for Bipeds LOL

[@NO122221]

is it true about fan-art though? i found only 3 pieces and they were pretty alright, nothing explicit. though icba searching deviantart

[@lHawkel]

Whoever making another version of this list is gonna have a massive headache with this video in the equation.

[@fenrirsilver6441]

I think, so long as they do not include this video, but include the data from it and expand on it, they would actually have an easier time. It seems like there is a lot of more eastern viewers which are miffed about some games not showing up once, and some claiming that their is definately a Western Bias. They could honestly just not have to look at any of the lists that Josh looked at and just go further.

[@legendz411]

its recursive, lol

[@lancedolan]

Clever way to call out the problem here; lists aren't weighed equally here and longer lists have too much power. I was thinking 1st through 10th place all get 10 through 1 points, no matter the list size. All games at 11th+ get only 1 point

[@StickEmpiresStrats]

Bruh this shit too long Im not gonna watch this all

[@notthatblackguy8741]

@@StickEmpiresStrats Just say your 5 and cant watch longer then 30 second videos and move on dude.

[@DanDevey]

The effort behind this, from all the research to getting all the data and assembling all the footage is remarkable. Excellent video, well done. 👏

[@ChrisOrErik]

Amazing work. Your passion for mmos, good and bad alike, is beautiful,

[@Mtvee82]

For all of the effort this took. I haven’t watched it yet, but even being willing to give this is a shot is unreal. Thanks for all that you do and the attitude you do it with.

[@kessy628]

"The #1 MMO is the one you enjoy the most" Ok, imma go play my favorite MMO Smite then.

[@Quartapple]

Nope, that's not an MMO, you doofus. Play a real one, like Team Fortress 2.

[@SenatorAri]

Me too, the best MMO is Overwatch

[@wildesho-oh9846]

time to play my favorite mmo too need for speed mostwanted

[@shiranuishogunsaga8451]

My favorite MMO Pokémon

[@you.exe6665]

I wish I can still play MapleStory 2 🥲

[@Pundae]

I've listed all the MMOs so you don't have to! (Ctrl+f for a specific game. Pt.2 below) 11:23 250- Meridian 59. Total Points: 1. 11:43 249- Furcadia. Total Points: 1. 12:03 248- Loong: Power of the Dragon. Total Points: 1. (Shut Down) 12:15 247- Istaria: Chronicles of the Gifted. Total Points: 1. 12:30 246- Alganon. Total Points: 1. (Shut Down) 12:44 245- City of Heroes. Total Points: 1. (Shut Down. Private server) 13:05 244- Titan Reach. Total Points: 1. (Shut Down) 13:23 243- Wakfu. Total Points: 1. (French) 13:35 242- Free Realms. Total Points: 1. (Shut Down) 13:56 241- Eternal Senia. Total Points: 1. 14:06 240- Everquest 3. Total Points: 1. (Not Released) 14:26 239- Silk Road Online. Total Points: 1. 14:44 238- Metin 2. Total Points: 1. 14:58 237- UnDecember. Total Points: 1. 15:03 236- Gloria Victis. Total Points: 1. 15:13 235- Waven. Total Points: 1. (Also French) 15:30 234- Rust. Total Points: 1. (Not an MMO) 15:45 233- Torchlight Frontiers. Total Points: 1. (Not an MMO) 16:10 232- Em8er. Total Points: 1. (Not Released) 16:26 231- Master X Master. Total Points: 1. (Not an MMO - Gameranx) 17:09 230- Echo of Soul. Total Points: 1. (Shut Down. Revived in Korea) 17:25 229- The Repopulation. Total Points: 1. (Shut Down) 17:43 228- Soulframe. Total Points: 1. (Not Released) 17:55 227- Archlord. Total Points: 2. (Shut Down) 18:16 226- City of Steam. Total Points: 2. (Shut Down, twice) 18:32 225- Uncharted Waters Online. Total Points: 2. 18:49 224- Vanguard Saga of Heroes. Total Points: 2. (Shut Down) 19:19 223- Grimm’s Hollow. Total Points: 2. (Not an MMO - BestGamex) 19:52 222- Horizon Online. Total Points: 2 (Not Released) 20:04 221- Hunter’s Arena Legens. Total Points: 2 (Not an MMO - WilliamWegner) 20:31 220- Realm of the Mad God. Total Points: 2. 20:52 219- Kurtzpel. Total Points: 2. 21:03 218- Riders of Icarus. Total Points: 2. (Russian) 21:16 217- Dash Tal. Total Points: 2. (Shut Down) 21:26 216- Otherland. Total Points: 2. (Shut Down) 21:32 215- Shards Online. Total Points: 2. (Shut Down) 23:07 214- EverQuest 2. Total Points: 2. 23:31 213- Mortal Online. Total Points: 2. (Dead*) 23:53 212- The Matrix Online. Total Points: 3. (Shut Down) 24:20 211- Therian Saga. Total Points: 3. (French) 24:33 210- Toontown Online. Total Points: 3. (Shut Down. Fan server) 24:58 209- Naica. Total Points: 3. (Shut Down) 25:21 208- Age of Wushu. Total Points: 3. (Western version Shut Down) 25:38 207- Eden Eternal. Total Points: 3. (Patchy English translation) 26:01 206- Fiesta Online. Total Points: 3. (Blinking Horse Head) 26:38 205- Grand Theft Auto 5 Online. Total Points: 3. (Technically an MMO - Shadow) 27:05 204- City of Titans. Total Points: 3. (Not Released) 27:30 203- Anthem. Total Points: 3. (Shut Down) 27:49 202- Battleborn. Total Points: 3. (Not an MMO - MMOplay. Shut Down) 28:28 201- Hearthstone. Total Points: 3. (Not an MMO - FreeMMOStation) 28:56 200- Closers Online. Total Points: 3. 29:07 199- Asheron’s Call 2. Total Points: 3. (Shut Down) 29:28 198- Pirates of the Caribbean Online. Total Points: 4. (Shut Down. Private servers) 29:58 197- Fallen Earth Classic. Total Points: 4. 30:11 196- Shaiya. Total Points: 4. (Shut Down) 30:19 195- Gunz. Total Points: 4. (Shut Down) 30:48 194- V Rising. Total Points: 4. (Not an MMO) 31:02 193- Reworld Online. Total Points: 4. (Shut Down) 31:29 192- Wild West Online. Total Points: 4. (Shut Down) 31:43 191- Smite. Total Points: 4. (Not an MMO - FreeMMOStation) 32:05 190- Kingdom Under Fire 2. Total Points: 4. (Shut Down) 32:20 189- Wayfinder. Total Points: 4. (No longer an MMO) 32:43 188- Monsters & Memories. Total Points: 4. (Not Released) 32:59 187- Dragon Quest X. Total Points: 5. (Shut Down on Wii U and 3DS) 33:19 186- Enlisted. Total Points: 5. (Not an MMO - GamerRant) 33:44 185- Battlestar Galactica Online. Total Points: 5. (Shut Down) 34:03 184- Lego Universe. Total Points: 5. (Shut Down) 34:18 183- Twelvesky 2. Total Points: 5. 34:30 182- Tantra Online. Total Points: 5. 34:42 181- Rohan Online. Total Points: 5. (Shut Down) 34:57 180- Wyncraft. Total Points: 5. 35:16 179- Monster Hunter World. Total Points: 5. (Not an MMO) 35:30 178- Astellia Online/ Astellia Royal. Total Points: 5. (Shut Down) 35:50 177- Twilight Spirits. Total Points: 5. (Not Released) 36:00 176- Sky Saga. Total Points: 5. (Shut Down) 36:12 175- Team Fortress 2. Total Points: 5. (Not an MMO - FreeMMOStation) 36:41 174- Neocron. Total Points: 5. 36:59 173- Star Wars Clone Wars Adventures. Total Points: 5. (Shut Down. Fan project) 37:15 172- Profane. Total Points: 6. (Not Released) 37:30 171- Dragonica Online. Total Points: 6. 37:42 170- RF Online. Total Points: 6. (Shut Down) 37:59 169- Knight Online. Total Points: 6. 38:13 168- Flyff. Total Points: 6. 38:29 167- Ark Survival of the Fittest. Total Points: 6. (Merged into main game. Not an MMO) 38:52 166- Landmark. Total Points: 6. (Shut Down) 39:16 165- Pax Dei. Total Points: 6 39:32 164- Tabula Rasa. Total Points: 7. (Shut Down) 39:58 163- Raiderz. Total Points: 7 (Shut Down. Private servers) 40:14 162- Firefall. Total Points: 7 (Shut Down) 40:41 161- Dust 514. Total Points: 7. (Shut Down) 41:08 160- Dekaron. Total Points: 7. (Shut Down) 41:25 159- Wurm Online. Total Points: 7. 41:39 158- Shadowbane. Total Points: 7. (Shut Down) 41:12 157- World of Warships. Total Points: 7. 42:36 156- Marvel Heroes. Total Points: 7. (Shut Down) 42:56 155- Dota 2. Total Points: 7. (Not an MMO - FreeMMOStation) 43:17 154- Broken Ranks. Total Points: 7. 43:38 153- Adventure Quest 3D. Total Points: 7. 43:57 152- Palia. Total Points: 7. 44:15 151- Mythos. Total Points: 8. (Shut Down) 44:37 150- Dragon Prophet. Total Points: 8. (Shut Down) 44:50 149- Frozen Flame. Total Points: 8. 45:05 148- Shin Megami Tensei Imagine Online. Total Points: 8. (Shut Down) 45:23 147- 9 Dragons. Total Points: 8. 45:36 146- Elite Dangerous Odyssey. Total Points: 8. (Shut Down) 45:58 145- Creativerse. Total Points: 8. (Not an MMO - MrMacRight) 46:21 144- Conqueror's Blade. Total Points: 8. 46:38 143- Mabinogi. Total Points: 8. 46:56 142- Mad World. Total Points: 8. (Shut Down) 47:36 141- Kritika Online. Total Points: 8. (Jiggle Physics) 47:58 140- Drakensang Online. Total Points: 8. (Nice) 48:12 139- Bloodline Champions. Total Points: 8. (Not an MMO - Whataplay. Shut Down) 48:41 138- Dynasty Warriors Online. Total Points: 9. (Shut Down) 48:58 137- Devilian. Total Points: 9. (Shut Down) 49:12 136- Embersword. Total Points: 9. (Crypto Game) 49:24 135- Last Chaos. Total Points: 9. (Gamigo) 49:40 134- Temtem. Total Points: 9. 49:52 133- Dragon Nest. Total Points: 9. 50:06 132- Forsaken World. Total Points: 9. (Shut Down) 50:19 131- Dungeon Fighter Online. Total Points: 9. (Shut Down in the West) 50:42 130- Shroud of the Avatar. Total Points: 9. 51:22 129- Archeage 2. Total Points: 9. (Not Released. Not an MMO?) 51:42 128- Stars Reach. Total Points: 9. (Not Released) 51:58 127- World of the Living Dead. Total Points: 10. (Shut Down) 52:18 126- Dungeon Runners. Total Points: 10. (Shut Down)

[@Pundae]

Part 2! KZbin wouldn't let me fit it in one comment: 52:36 125- Defend the Night. Total Points: 10. (Not Released) 52:54 124- Granado Espada. Total Points: 10. 53:16 123- Saga of Lucimia. Total Points: 10. (Shut Down) 53:36 122- Overwatch. Total Points: 10. (Not an MMO - MMOPlay) 54:02 121- Justice Online. Total Points: 10. (Not Released in the West) 54:12 120- Genshin Impact. Total Points: 10. 54:28 119- Odin Valhalla Rising. Total Points: 10. (Mobile) 54:45 118- Dune Awakening. Total Points: 10. (Not Released) 54:59 117- Motor City Online. Total Points: 11. (Shut Down) 55:16 116- Rappelz. Total Points: 11. 55:32 115- Atlas. Total Points: 11. (Shut Down) 55:48 114- Fractured. Total Points: 11. 56:00 113- Worlds Adrift. Total Points: 11. (Shut Down) 56:13 112- League of Legends. Total Points: 11. (Not an MMO - FreeMMOStation) 56:33 111- Wander. Total Points: 11. (Shut Down) 56:53 110- Corepunk. Total Points: 11. 57:11 109- Atlantica Online. Total Points: 12. 57:28 108- Starbase. Total Points: 12. 57:44 107- Aion 2. Total Points: 12. (Not Released) 57:56 106- Spiral Knights. Total Points: 13. 58:12 105- Babylon’s Fall. Total Points: 13. (Not an MMO - WilliamWegner. Shut Down) 58:38 104- Second Life. Total Points: 13. 59:07 103- Legend of Aria. Total Points: 13. 59:18 102- Adventure Quest Worlds. Total Points: 14. 59:39 101- Neverwinter Nights. Total Points: 14. (Not _technically_ an MMO) 1:00:12 100 Vindictus. Total Points: 14. 1:00:27 99- Project Ragnarok. Total Points: 14. (Not Released) 1:00:38 98- Identity. Total Points: 14. (Shut Down) 1:00:55 97- Soul Worker Online. Total Points: 14. 1:01:24 96- Dark and Light. Total Points: 14. (Shut Down) 1:01:41 95- Boundless. Total Points: 14. 1:01:52 94- World of Tanks. Total Points: 14. 1:02:06 93- Champions Online. Total Points: 15. 1:02:19 92- Fallout 76. Total Points: 15. 1:02:52 91- Brighter Shores. Total Points: 15. 1:03:07 90- Age of Conan. Total Points: 15. 1:03:24 89- Dual Universe. Total Points: 15. 1:03:40 88- Magic Legends. Total Points: 15. (Shut Down) 1:04:00 87- The Division. Total Points: 15. 1:04:17 86- Blue Protocol. Total Points: 15. (Not Released in the West) 1:04:37 85- Embers Adrift. Total Points: 15. 1:04:53 84- Anarchy Online. Total Points: 16. 1:05:14 83- Asheron's Call. Total Points: 16. (Shut Down) 1:05:35 82- War Thunder. Total Points: 16. 1:05:58 81- Sea of Thieves. Total Points: 16. 1:06:13 80- Pirate 101. Total Points: 16. 1:06:42 79- Cabal Online. Total Points: 17. 1:06:58 78- Diablo Immortal. Total Points: 17. (Mobile) 1:07:20 77- Tibia. Total Points: 17. 1:07:40 76 Swords of Legend Online. Total Points: 17. (Shut Down) 1:08:30 75- Darkfall Unholy Wars. Total Points: 18. (Shut Down) 1:08:45 74- Maple Story 2. Total Points: 18. (Shut Down) 1:09:03 73- Warhammer 40K: Eternal Crusade. Total Points: 18. (Shut Down) 1:09:25 72- ArcheAge Chronicles. Total Points: 18. (Not Released) 1:09:34 71- Continent of the 9th. Total Points: 19. 1:09:45 70- H1Z1. Total Points: 19. (Shut Down) 1:10:06 69- League of Angels. Total Points: 19. (Nice) 1:10:34 68- Life is Feudal. Total Points: 20. (Shut Down) 1:10:58 67- Tree of Savior. Total Points: 21. 1:11:15 66- Moonlight Blade. Total Points: 22. 1:11:28 65- Project Gorgon. Total Points: 22. 1:11:47 64- Tower of Fantasy. Total Points: 22. 1:12:06 63- Chrono Odyssey. Total Points: 22. (Not Released) 1:12:22 62- Wizard 101. Total Points: 22. 1:12:43 61- Crimson Desert. Total Points: 23. (Not Released) 1:12:54 60- Skyforge. Total Points: 24. 1:13:15 59- Guild Wars 1. Total Points: 24. 1:13:50 58- Star Wars Galaxies. Total Points: 28. (Shut Down) 1:14:31 57- Everquest Next. Total Points: 28. (Discontinued) 1:14:56 56- Allods Online. Total Points: 29. 1:15:10 55- Mortal Online 2. Total Points: 29. 1:15:41 54- Chronicles of Elyria. Total Points: 30. (Discontinued) 1:16:03 53- Lineage Eternal. Total Points: 31. 1:16:26 52- Trove. Total Points: 32. 1:16:38 51- Tarisland. Total Points: 32. 1:17:03 50- Peria Chronicles. Total Points: 33. (Discontinued) 1:17:17 49- Wildstar. Total Points: 33. (Shut Down) 1:17:41 48- Final Fantasy 11. Total Points: 34. 1:18:17 47- Planetside 2. Total Points: 36. 1:18:47 46- Elyon. Total Points: 36. (Shut Down) 1:19:05 45- Revelations Online. Total Points: 38. (Jiggle Physics. Shut Down) 1:19:24 44- Camelot Unchained. Total Points: 38 (Not Released) 1:19:58 43- Pantheon Rise of the Fallen. Total Points: 40. (Not Released) 1:20:33 42- Warhammer Online Age of Reckoning. Total Points: 40. Shut Down. Fan server) 1:21:20 41- Ultima Online. Total Points: 41. 1:22:07 40- MapleStory. Total Points: 41. 1:22:35 39- DC Universe Online. Total Points: 44. 1:22:59 38- Rift. Total Points: 45. (Gamigo) 1:23:59 37- Runes of Magic. Total Points: 46. 1:24:37 36- Dauntless. Total Points: 46. (Not quite an MMO) 1:25:00 35- Destiny 2. Total Points: 46. 1:25:32 34- The Secret World Legends. Total Points: 51. 1:26:22 33- Dark Age of Camelot. Total Points: 51. 1:27:00 32- Phantasy Star Online 2. Total Points: 52. 1:27:34 31- Path of Exile. Total Points: 57. 1:28:22 30- Perfect World. Total Points: 58. 1:28:42 29- Lineage 2. Total Points: 59. 1:29:14 28- Archeage Unchained. Total Points: 60. (Shut Down in the West) 1:29:48 27- Throne and Liberty. Total Points: 60. 1:30:22 26- Dungeons and Dragons Online. Total Points: 62. 1:30:59 25- Everquest. Total Points: 63. 1:31:53 24- Warframe. Total Points: 69. 1:32:20 23- Bless Unleashed. Total Points: 69. 1:32:45 22- Star Trek Online. Total Points: 69. 1:33:11 21- Aion. Total Points: 71. 1:33:38 20- Star Citizen. Total Points: 73. (Not Released) 1:34:24 19- Crowfall. Total Points: 81. 1:34:46 18- TERA. Total Points: 93. (Shut Down on PC) 1:35:35 17- Ashes of Creation. Total Points: 95. (Not Released) 1:36:08 16- WoW Classic. Total Points: 104 1:36:46 15- Blade and Soul. Total Points: 126. 1:37:11 14- Runescape 3. Total Points: 133. 1:38:10 13- Lord of the Rings Online. Total Points: 147. 1:38:41 12- Neverwinter Online. Total Points: 149. 1:39:51 11- New World. Total Points: 153 1:40:59 10- Albion Online. Total Points: 214 1:41:54 9- EVE Online. Total Points: 224 1:42:56 8- Old School Runescape. Total Points: 247 1:43:38 7- Star Wars the Old Republic. Total Points: 254 1:44:20 6- Lost Ark. Total Points: 287 1:44:44 5- Black Desert Online. Total Points: 326 1:45:18 4- The Elder Scrolls Online. Total Points: 358 1:46:14 3- Guild Wars 2. Total Points: 475 1:47:16 2- Final Fantasy XIV. Total Points: 493 1:47:16 2- World of Warcraft. Total Points: 493 1:48:14 1- Total games marked as unplayable (Shut Down/Not Released): 100* Total games marked as "Not an MMO": 25*

[@KHYYUL]

Ur a G luv u

[@Mmaromeo275]

Why didn’t I find this earlier haha either way good shit man

[@fuckyoufightme27]

Doing god's work

[@lol-vy7zh]

So is dofus in the list or did he mention it in the waven “review” and did he not talk about it after ?

[@Dannywithaflattop]

Truthfully, it's content like this that makes the internet a beautiful place 30% of the time! Thank you for investing time into this. I look forward to watching every bit of this. I had to stop at 47 mins because your jokes are brilliant!!!

[@BeeWaifu]

I swear. This whole video has been 'Ooo. A new MMO to try." 'It's dead.' 'Damn it!'

[@ihatemondays2595]

No cause some of these genuinely looked interesting only to be followed with a "shut down in ____"

[@BeeWaifu]

@@ihatemondays2595 That's what I said.

[@ihatemondays2595]

@@BeeWaifu ok!

[@RossMellow]

@@ihatemondays2595 Yeah no, but really liked a few of these but then he said they closed down. It's like what this video's synopsis was.

[@whit3devil]

some of these have private servers. like, for example, he implied that SMT Imagine is fully gone but its not, there are servers.

[@Bindie]

I quit mmos, rejoined, and quit again and josh only uploaded once in that period.

[@Tyrone2714]

Honestly I can quit and rejoin mmos within a day so I can't bash josh lol

[@Bindie]

@@Tyrone2714 getting into an MMO is / was like a massive time investment to me. it would take me months to quit

[@btdforever9389]

Seems like you’re an indecisive person

[@petiram]

Heheh but he prolly needed 5 weeks to make this one, all the data!!

[@30fpsgamereviews]

have you checked his other 8 channels?

[@Definitely_Rob]

The spike in the replay metrics at 47:48 rivaling the spike of people that skipped straight to the last 2 or 3 is wild

[@tensiken]

I died laughing when I found out what part of the video this was.

[@kitbell4483]

i been half watching this on a second monitor, and looked over when he said jiggle physics, and his call out made me laugh to the point of crying. i replayed it a couple of times cuz how damn funny it was

[@driesverhaag8955]

I don't even play any MMO's or have interest, I'm just here to procrastinate and see random games, idk what to tell u

[@Fennalope]

Honestly him mentioning something about Boobs then calling everyone out for looking is one of my fave bits.

[@MarkTheDead]

I've never felt more called out than I do now.

[@TDOTCRFH4]

genuinely the funniest way the rankings could possibly have ended, perfect, chef's kiss, no notes

[@kimaclaret]

I don't want to sound dramatic, but I literally can't even right now

[@nivyan]

Actually made me burst out laughing

[@helenacrispim3744]

Out of respect for the hours put in on making this video, I stopped playing the MMO I was playing when I started watching, made myself some iced coffee, got a few grapes as snacks, brought the tab to my main monitor and payed attention. Even pausing when leaving my PC to get more tea or check on my pets, instead of just listening on my headset. Thank you for all the time you put into it, Josh Strife Hayes. Since I'm from a third world country and can't patreon more than one thing or I'll starve, here is my unwavering attention and respect.

[@UndeadReikon]

Oh, I stopped playing Marvel Rivals and started playing an MMO so I could pay slightly more attention to my 2nd screen.

[@maxborsh1486]

i hope you will get a better life sometime, and will be happy ❤

[@DoceDeHortela]

Ditto! Much love and appreciation ♡

[@ktstubble]

Same!

[@rickskullpion]

Went into the comments to type out this exact comment replacing grapes with chips, and coffee with a tankard of iced tea.

[@josephlabs]

You have to host that data publicly now. It's an international treasure.

[@Norrieification]

I can’t believe City of Heroes apparently only got one tenth place mention ever.

[@Knight3rrant]

​@Norrieification LOL I just posted a comment to the video and made two points in it. These exact two. Hehe

[@Knight3rrant]

I just posted a comment to the video and made two points in it. These exact two. Hehe

[@Lexyz130]

Wait, I went to the comments after watching before fully looking at the description, you mean to tell me if I scroll back up, there's NOT a link to this sheet/data?! This is a war crime, an absolutely vile breach of international protocol; I'm calling the Hague.

[@jim-boozie]

Awesome video. I respect the dedication and attention to detail it took to make. Looking forward to the next list in 10 or 15 years!

[@Rong_Rong]

Omg yes, I have been waiting for this since you showed that whole big taped up curtain sized excel spreadsheet

[@KingLich451]

would make a fine carpet

[@Hinotoriz]

oh shit it's dragon nest in nutshell guy

[@histhoryk2648]

I've been waiting for Ann sequel

[@DJVevyVevs]

That reveal video was iconic lmao

[@VanRukh]

Glad to see you here too rongrong. Been subbed since the Dragon Nest days✌

[@jz8417]

One of the key takeaways seems to be that the MMO genre is littered with never-completed, dying, or relatively unknown games. It would be interesting to see someone take a similar methodology and apply it to another genre, and then compare the results. Could tell us something about the strengths, weaknesses, and particularities of MMOs. At any rate, excellent work, great commentary, and an interesting, innovative approach to the topic. Well done, as always.

[@Mystic_Apollo]

And that the Chinese and Koreans really, REALLY like their MMO's

[@EvanCWaters]

It always does surprise me just how many of these there are and are going on, simply because the costs in both developing and running MMOs are generally higher than those of other games.

[@andy02q]

​@@EvanCWatersThe Chinese are brought up to be more susceptible to Manipulation and as result are easier to monetize/take advantage of even despite that they have less funds to spare.

[@erikstrand9876]

@@andy02q they are statistically doing better than American citizens. To say americans have more fund to spare is hilarious considering that they have dramatically higher home ownership rates.

[@erikstrand9876]

@@andy02q like for real you gotta be a bot with a statement like that. Americans are the epitome of manipulated citizens. Our nation is trying to get everyone addicted to gambling and its working because Americans are bad at math

[@benpielstick]

What a fantastic video. As someone who has worked professionally on designing parts of MMOs 162, 95, 44, 42, 12, 9, 8, 7, and 2, I greatly appreciate this video being made and the effort that went into it.

[@Catwithsunglasses_]

which 2, FF14 or WOW... or both? :O

[@LassIV]

gratz on your job

[@benpielstick]

@@Catwithsunglasses_ WoW. It is very hard for westerners to work on FFXIV.

[@Elora445]

@@benpielstick Tell that to Koji Fox. (Director of the English translation team in FFXIV. Born in the USA. Full name is Michael-Christopher Koji Fox.) Would not surprise me if there were more westerners working on FFXIV. Don't know each and every person working on FFXIV in some capacity. But Koji Fox is kind of hard to miss. :)

[@ekki1993]

​@@Elora445something being hard to do doesn't mean that there's nobody doing it...

[@DRMFree_Offline_Games_DONT_Die]

This is by far The BEST StopKillingGames awareness video!!! Too many good games were killed intentionally by their Publishers/Devs (it's like a Ponzi scheme where the business practice relies heavily on the "investors" aka healthy player base). People need to wake up! Please stop killing games. All Live Service Online-Only games will eventually DIE when their Always-On DRM servers get shut down by their publishers. All progress saved and items bought with real money will cease to exist NO REFUNDS GUARANTEED and the games will become no longer playable once they shut down periodt.

[@zanestearns2143]

With his conclusion at the end he should change his name to Josh Sisyphus Hayes. Literally poured in all this effort to hit a tie and tell us it never actually mattered.

[@brandonvalls5250]

Science has failed us

[@sstoersk]

It's called a shitty bait movie.

[@tarkhan15]

the bitterest pill is that hes right lol

[@Th3-Ssal]

One must imagine him proud of his work

[@Nillowo]

thanks for saving me 2 hours

[@raphaelascano8598]

Considering how Ragnarok Online was so popular from SEA and SA, it's surprising its not here.

[@macmac6064]

if they bring back RO with only 2nd job

[@TheEntireUniverse]

Probably because he was looking at English language top 10 lists. I bet it’s on some non-English top 10 lists

[@einhasad7]

@@macmac6064 The current version of the game is genuinely better and have a much more broad endgame that isn't just "kill this monster 10000 times to get a 0,01% drop" Don't get me wrong, I love pre-renewal RO, but renewal RO did eventually get its shit together. I genuinely think that people should give it a chance, the official servers are still there and they are quite decent compared to private servers.

[@HorikAmarth]

@@einhasad7 Look who we found.

[@Kenshiken]

@@einhasad7 I don't like doing millions upon millions of damage. it's just absurd. Just imagine if they bring pre-renewal and keep developing it as it's own thing. Like Wow Classic+. Enhance engine, do more modern stuff, networking, etc.

[@Sevandres]

This was a phenomenal two hours very well spent. Thank you for the insightful words, and for your work as an MMO content creator as a whole. Looking forward to your next work.

[@JohnnyTightIips]

Buying 'overwatch' for the entire crew of a movie but it turned out he bought Battleborn for everyone is such a Jared Leto thing to do haha

[@Norwolf2097]

this video will cost a few french subs and generate a ton of german ones

[@eternalsummer8409]

I don’t know why, but when you said German subs my brain went to u boats

[@guywithshield]

Das ist es wert!

[@fernandoomega]

Bien sûr

[@magikazam8430]

Nah, as a French Canadian all those French game had the same issues where the ones making the game ruined them

[@SethJV]

@@magikazam8430 Yeah yeah, that's what people say about literally every single game ever released. Pro tip : never listen to doomers nor fanboys, both are wrong and dumb.

[@RandomPrecision01]

Thanks for this, Josh! As it turns out, I AM a data scientist, and while I might have a pedantic objection over the points system (would recommend a formula to standardize lists lower or greater than 10 to still rate on a ten-point scale so each video/article contributes the same amount), I will still certify this as sciencey enough to be objective reality. :D Thanks for all the effort and your endlessly entertaining commentary.

[@jmm00702]

Wait o didnt watch the whole video ofc, he didnt standarize the point system? Thats not s pedantic objection lmao, if he didnt do that hes r t r ded

[@Malthan]

@@jmm00702 You might think that scoring top 1 out of 5 and top 1 out of 25 should be worth the same, but calling people slurs because of it is not a good look, buddy. Also you had to just watch the first few minutes of the video to learn how the scores were assigned.

[@Ezullof]

@@Malthan This is an MMO video, calling people slurs is recognizing their value

[@DangerBay]

Nerd.

[@wfthkttn]

@@Ordoscc take max games per video*, populate rest of the videos with blanks on tiers missing.

[@CronicasDeGisthia]

The ending is absolute cinema. Never expected that.

[@magstheghoul]

An actual Christmas miracle 😊 for one brief moment on a single KZbin video, there was peace

[@tomijed1712]

Nunca pensé decir esto pero: Creo que este es mi video favorito de KZbin. Intenté darle 'like' varias veces sin darme cuenta, lo cual demuestra cuánto me encantó. Hay videos que destacan por un solo aspecto: una narración increíble, una trama cautivadora, un contenido valioso o porque te hacen reflexionar. ¡Este video tiene todo eso y más! Muchas gracias, Josh, mi más profunda admiración hacia usted.

[@Minanza]

What a truly amazing video. Well done Josh!

[@Mondester]

21:25 Hey Josh , idk if you know this already, but someone in the Otherland discord has been working hard to reverse engineer the game, and has an active server going right now called Anotherland. You can't do much besides exploring and and character customization right now, but they're making good progress. Definitely worth a re-play just to see everything again! Every single area is readily available from any portal, including some VERY strange places never seen before.

[@NekoNeko88]

thats absolutely wild, hope the guy doesnt quit and revives the game. its never good if a MMO dies and just fully disappears without any p-server around :>

[@rolfs2165]

I do remember someone in the comments under the series talking about that they've contacted the rights' holder to buy the game from them. Guess that didn't turn out.

[@Mondester]

@@rolfs2165 that's right yeah and they did make a good faith effort to actually buy up the rights but apparently it's split up between so many parties and so convoluted that the legal fees alone would be more costly than buying all the rights to it so it wasnt worth pursuing. It's basically bankruptcies and buyouts so far back for decades that even sorting through the giant web of failed companies to find all the rights holders would be a massive undertaking.

[@Sunnyraen]

I can proudly say I watched through to the end and what a satisfying end it is. Watching the list feels like walking through memory lane rather than watching a tier list. Thank you for your hard work in making this video.

[@tingears4817]

SPIRAL KNIGHTS!!! That's my core childhood MMO, I've always hoped to see it mentioned on your channel! I absolutely adore the style, the original team that created it left to make Slime Rancher, including the artist who designed everything :] his work inspired me so much throughout my art hobby. Currently Spiral Knights is on life support through cosmetic gacha, but back in its day it was so fun.

[@aheahe7943]

Josh Strife "Second Monitor Content" Hayes got me. 1 hour and 10 minutes into the video I remembered the timestamp in the description, blindly clicked and got bamboozled. Well played, sir. Well played.

[@jonfeder]

So, Josh, first of all, this is really impressive work. I just hope it makes more people aware of your Otherland series, it deserves so much more recognition. And how funny is it that even outside of your Twitch chat, you can't escape the 50/50 curse lol

[@Zunedoodle77]

I've never heard of Otherlands and now I'm interested. I think I've read some other books/ seen some anime inspired by Otherlands so I'm now really interested to see where it all started from.

[@jackalo34]

​@@Zunedoodle77go watch his playthrough. Its amazing.

[@At0mix]

@@Zunedoodle77 The MMO was inspired by the (quite successful) book. It had amazing surrealist level design but the studio went bankrupt. Eventually it released as a bit of a buggy mess and shut down some time ago. Definitely check out Josh's playthrough, he might be the only person to have completed it.

[@AeroViro]

I was genuinely expecting wow to beat out the score but holy shit, that ending was insane

[@LianaSunburster]

Surprise Shen cameo! ❤

[@dolofonosesostrefis]

That reminds me I need to watch the Warframe vods

[@ciboria1]

The fact that it had almost a decade of listings before FFXIV even came out/A Realm Reborn was mentioned well on the lists

[@Sparksparky1]

Even though your talking about the end of the video I was surprised that swtor was even mentioned at number 7

[@darthgorbag]

As soon as he got to ESO as #4, I knew that #3 would be Guild Wars 2, and I expected #2 to be WoW & #1 to be FFXIV (I was thinking because of how much better a reputation FF has had than WoW in the past ~5 years, forgetting that Josh was using data going back much further). But anyway I was genuinely taken aback to see them tie for 2nd place! Especially with such a high number of points!

[@aecirohawke2796]

Thank you for making this...movie-length video about MMO's. It was absolutely fantastic. I don't blame you for the awful placement of some of the titles...I know that YOU know what an MMO is and wouldn't have put shooters like Overwatch or other types of games in there, but that was funny to see. Because sometimes I am looking at those types of videos and find myself stopping in the middle because they're putting a non-mmo on the list. Always makes me shake my head. Thanks for doing this. Looks like a lot of work. The main thing I get is that there are some channels out there that just don't know wth they're talking about, it happens. Also, the way you did the #1 was awesome. Well done man.

[@severalowls]

Immediately amazed that City of Heroes, for how big and unique it was, had only ONE mention and is below a bunch of short-lived WoW clones and mobile games

[@joshburns1777]

I am strangely proud that a game my friend and I played in school, a game about which we still occasionally say "do you remember that?", Silk Road, was tied bottom of the list (# 239) lol. I also thought City of Heroes also being tied for the bottom is more insane though, yeah.

[@SpaceTimeDroste]

City heroes was pretty fun for a while

[@stephencornelius3396]

The problem with this ranking system is that City of Heroes would have got all its good reviews when it originally launched, but he’s only taking the last 20 years of reviews. That said, I’d like to see how the rankings look if he’d weighted them by age. I’d also like to see another MMO with as good a costume design system and as good a teaming system. No game so far has come close to either, which is a tragedy.

[@severalowls]

​@@stephencornelius3396 I found the Champions Online costume system, which is essentially the same since it was intended as a successor, an improvement in almost every way and its a huge shame that they know what they have now and its extremely locked down + nickel and dimed for players who joined after the game went free to play. I found the CoH system comparatively limited when going back and trying the revival server even though I absolutely loved it back when I played the original, but thats to be expected. I don't think any of the more modern superhero games even come close to either of them.

[@joshuakern3355]

Especially since the game is currently running again.

[@Equalitro]

damn Josh, you took this "top 10 tier list" thing into a whole new level. Great job, much appriciated

[@prefontaine9940]

Josh you can literally turn this into an academic paper. this is basically a popularity contest with the method we use in communication studies called "computer-assisted quantitative content analysis": basically you take bunch of texts, search for specific keywords and enumerate how many times they were utilized along with whether they were used in a positive or negative manner (you also have a scale, that's better), aggregate the results and present / summarize it in the article. you can actually publish these results in a scientific journal* for a fee, you may approach an academic from a communication department for that academic to be 2nd author to get funding covered by the university itself. *although it would be nice to attach the data to the article but most would look at the summary in the article

[@4mb127]

You get to do work if you pay other people for the privilege, lmao.

[@joejo4549]

It gets better, they get your paper and sell it back to you ​@@4mb127yes academia is stupid

[@mercster]

Not with this methodology he couldn't.

[@realKenM]

@@4mb127 Welcome to the world of academia.

[@erastal]

@@mercster what method? the one where he didnt pay the IRB to review his information?

[@artemzdorikov1093]

>Ranting about moba being on the list >proceeds to ignore that crimson desert is a SINGLE PLAYER GAME

[@miro280]

was searching the comments for this

[@Haizek]

This is just amazing.

[@OniSushi]

The level of dedication to spend months of prep work just to take the piss is amazing enough to make me need to support you on patreon.

[@kudonedo]

Amazing, thank you for the effort!

[@MokuTom]

fckin hell josh, the actual raid boss of the MMO content creators.. insane vid, i may have skipped thru parts but holyy that's some crazy effort man. what a video!!

[@CEverett9979]

Josh has been teasing this exact video for weeks on his weekend streams. I'm really excited to see his thoughts, opinions and conclusions on his MMO tier list deep dive. Thanks, Josh!

[@terra3673]

Where does he stream

[@Emreakca-]

@@terra3673 twitch the platform where people just talk ;)

[@CEverett9979]

@@terra3673 www.twitch.tv/joshstrifehayes Saturdays at 7, Sundays at 4, UK time.

[@tacotimmer8288]

dead internet theory

[@kamrielus]

@@terra3673 on the internet

[@mercier390]

Getting called out by 141 was real dirty and hilarious. Thank you for all your hardwork in making this awesome video.

[@arcan762]

is that jessica nigri?

[@mercier390]

@ yea back from like Kawaii-Con 2014

[@haeltacforce]

Lol, same man, just having this on while working from home. :')

[@Altmer353]

That was really funny for me. Watching it too on my second monitor. Or rather, listening and looking time to time.

[@ponasjeralvilho1839]

For those who want to watch the video first and search the MMOs later. And by the way, If you see this comment, please read my other comment listing the MMOs that are not on this list Ranking Time / Position / Name / Status as of 2024 / Observations 11:23 - 250: Meridian 59 Alive 11:43 - 249: Furcadia Alive 12:03 - 248: Loong: Power of The Dragon Dead? "Perhaps it's loong gone" - DizzyQuizzy, 2017 12:15 - 247: Istaria: Chronicles of the Gifted Alive 12:29 - 246: Alganon Dead It's going to have its corpse dragged on the streets on 2025 12:45 - 245: City of Heroes Dead/Phoenix Has a "official" private server 13:05 - 244: Titan Reach / World of Titans Dead Had its corpse mutilated 13:24 - 243: Wakfu Alive Sadly, french 😔 13:34 - 242: Free Realms Dead 13:57 - 241: Eternal Senia -- Not an MMO, but apparently a Gacha or a singleplayer RPG Maker game 14:06 - 240: Everquest 3 TBA 14:26 - 239: Silkroad Online Alive 14:42 - 238: Metin 2 Alive 14:57 - 237: Undecember -- ARPG 15:04 - 236: Gloria Victis Alive 15:14 - 235: Waven Alive It's also french 😔 15:30 - 234: Rust Alive Not an MMORPG, but a OWSC Multiplayer 15:44 - 233: Torchlight Frontiers / Torchlight 3 -- Not an MMO anymore 16:10 - 232: Em8er In development 16:24 - 231: Master X Master Dead Not an MMO, but a MOBA 17:09 - 230: Echo of Soul Undead 17:25 - 229: The Repopulation Dead 17:43 - 228: Soulframe TBA Problably a MMO-Lite 17:55 - 227: Archlord Dead 18:15 - 226: City of Steam + City of Steam Arcadia Dead 18:31 - 225: Uncharted Water Online Alive 18:49 - 224: Vanguard Saga of Heroes Dead 19:19 - 223: Grimm's Hollow -- Not an MMO, but a RPG Maker game 19:52 - 222: Horizon Online TBA 20:04 - 221: Hunter's Arena Legends Almost Dead Not an MMO, but a Battle Royale 20:31 - 220: Realm of the Mad God Alive 20:52 - 219: KurtzPel In development 21:03 - 218: Riders of Icarus Alive? 21:16 - 217: Das Tal / The Exiled Dead 21:24 - 216: Otherland Dead RIP 🖤 22:33 - 215: Shards Online / Legends of Aria Classic Alive 23:07 - 214: Everquest 2 Alive 23:31 - 213: Mortal Online Dead 23:52 - 212: The Matrix Online Dead 24:19 - 211: Therian Saga Alive Unfortunately, french 😔 24:33 - 210: Toontown Online Dead Has a private server called Toontown Rewritten 24:58 - 209: Naica Dead 25:20 - 208: Age of Wushu Alive 25:37 - 207: Eden Eternal / Finding Neverland Online Alive 26:00 - 206: Fiesta Online Alive 26:39 - 205: GTA V Online Alive MMO-Like 27:05 - 204: City of Titans TBA I'm pretty sure it is a scam 27:30 - 203: Anthem Dead 27:49 - 202: Battleborn Dead Not an MMO, but a Hero Shooter 28:27 - 201: Hearthstone Alive Not an MMO, but a CCG

[@ponasjeralvilho1839]

Time / Position / Name / Status as of 2024 / Observations 28:53 - 200: Closers Online Alive 29:07 - 199: Asheron's Call 2 Dead 29:28 - 198: Pirates of the Caribbean Online Dead Has a private server called The Legends of Pirates Online 29:58 - 197: Fallen Earth Classic Alive 30:11 - 196: Shaiya Alive?? 30:18 - 195: GunZ Dead / TBA / ??? It's not an MMO, but a Hero Shooter. Also not to be confused with the Activision's Gun 30:49 - 194: V Rising Alive MMO-Like 31:02 - 193: Reworld Online Dead? Not to be confused with Reworld Online 31:28 - 192: Wild West Online / New Frontier Dead? NF Has 1 player peak on Steam since 04/2021 and WWO a 2 player peak in 2024 31:53 - 191: Smite Alive Not an MMO, but a MOBA 32:05 - 190: Kingdom Under Fire 2 Dead 32:20 - 189: Wayfinder Alive Not an MMO anymore 32:42 - 188: Monsters & Memories TBA 32:59 - 187: Dragon Quest X Alive 33:19 - 186: Enlisted Alive Not an MMO, but a FPS 33:42 - 185: Battlestar Galactica Online Dead 34:03 - 184: Lego Universe Dead 34:19 - 183: Twelve Sky 2 Alive 34:30 - 182: Tantra Online Alive 34:42 - 181: Rohan Online Dead 34:58 - 180: Wynncraft Alive It's definitely one of the best Minecraft servers out there 35:16 - 179: Monster Hunter World Alive Not an MMO, it's more like a boss hunt RPG 35:30 - 178: Astellia / Astellia Royale / Astel of Atra Dead Died twice, then was desecrated 35:50 - 177: Twilight Spirits Dead 35:58 - 176: SkySaga: Infinite Isles Dead 36:11 - 175: Team Fortress 2 Alive Not an MMO, but THE Hero Shooter 36:42 - 174: Neocron Alive? 37:00 - 173: Star Wars: Clone Wars Adventures Dead Has a fan project emulator 37:14 - 172: Profane In development 37:30 - 171: Dragonica Online / Dragon Saga Alive 37:40 - 170: Rising Force Online Alive Desecrated 37:59 - 169: Knight Online Alive 38:13 - 168: Flyff Alive 38:30 - 167: ARK Survival of the Fittest -- Not an MMO, but a OWSC Battle Royale 38:50 - 166: Landmark / Everquest Next Landmark Dead 39:15 - 165: Pax Dei Alive 39:33 - 164: Tabula Rasa Dead 39:56 - 163: RaiderZ Dead 40:12 - 162: Firefall Dead 40:42 - 161: Dust 514 Dead A MMOFPS tied to EVE Online 41:08 - 160: Dekaron / 2Moons Dead 41:24 - 159: Wurm Online Alive 41:39 - 158: Shadowbane Dead 42:13 - 157: World of Warships Alive 42:36 - 156: Marvel Heroes Dead 42:56 - 155: Dota 2 Alive Not an MMO, but a MOBA 43:16 - 154: Broken Ranks Alive 43:37 - 153: Adventure Quest 3D Alive 43:57 - 152: Palia Alive 44:15 - 151: Mythos -- Not an MMO anymore 44:37 - 150: Dragons Prophet Dead 44:49 - 149: Frozen Flame Alive OWSC, not sure if it is an MMO 45:05 - 148: Shin Megami Tensei: Imagine Online Dead 45:23 - 147: 9 Dragons Alive 45:35 - 146: Elite Dangerous: Odyssey Alive Corrigendum: pretty sure it's still alive 45:59 - 145: Creativerse -- Not quite an MMO 46:21 - 144: Conqueror's Blade Alive 46:38 - 143: Mabinogi Alive Sadly its region locked in Steam 46:56 - 142: Mad World Dead Not to be confused with Gary Jules' Mad World, nor with the game MadWorld 47:37 - 141: Kritika Online ?? Not sure if it is alive, because there also is a Kritika:ZERO and Kritika:REBOOT 47:57 - 140: Drakensang Online Alive 48:13 - 139: Bloodline Champions Dead Not an MMO, but a MOBA 48:42 - 138: Dynasty Warriors Online Dead 48:59 - 137: Devilian Dead 49:12 - 136: Embersword Alive Crypto 49:23 - 135: Last Chaos Alive? 49:39 - 134: Temtem Alive 49:51 - 133: Dragon Nest Alive 50:06 - 132: Forsaken World Dead 50:19 - 131: Dungeon Fighter Online Alive 50:42 - 130: Shroud of the Avatar Alive? Possibly fundend by vampires 51:22 - 129: Archeage 2 TBA Not quite a MMO?? 51:41 - 128: Stars Reach TBA 51:59 - 127: World of the Living Dead Dead 52:18 - 126: Dungeon Runners Dead 52:35 - 125: Defend the Night Dead? 52:53 - 124: Granado Espada Alive 53:15 - 123: Saga of Lucimia Dead For some reason, every time I try to search the game, I find some articles about leukemia 53:35 - 122: Overwatch Dead Not an MMO, but a Hero Shooter 54:01 - 121: Justice Online Alive? 54:11 - 120: Genshin Impact Alive Not an MMO, but a Gacha RPG 54:28 - 119: Odin: Valhalla Rising Alive 54:44 - 118: Dune: Awakening TBA

[@ponasjeralvilho1839]

Time / Position / Name / Status as of 2024 / Observations 1:00:02 - 100: Vindictus / Mabinogi Heroes Alive Sadly region locked on Steam 1:00:26 - 99: Project Ragnarok TBA 1:00:39 - 98: Identity ?? Scam 1:00:56 - 97: Soulworker Alive 1:01:23 - 96: Dark and Light Dead 1:01:42 - 95: Boundless Alive 1:01:52 - 94: World of Tanks Alive 1:02:05 - 93: Champions Online Alive 1:02:19 - 92: Fallout 76 Alive 1:02:52 - 91: Brighter Shores Alive 1:03:06 - 90: Age of Conan Alive 1:03:25 - 89: Dual Universe Alive 1:03:42 - 88: Magic: Legends Dead 1:04:01 - 87: The Division Alive MMO-Lite 1:04:17 - 86: Blue Protocol / Project Sky Blue Dead Died too early, could be revived or maybe not 1:04:36 - 85: Embers Adrift Alive

[@ponasjeralvilho1839]

The top 10 will be in alphabetical order so I'm sure you watched the video: Albion Online Alive Black Desert Online Alive EVE Online Alive Final Fantasy 14 Alive Guild Wars 2 Alive Lost Ark Alive Old School RuneScape Alive Star Wars: The Old Republic Alive The Elder Scrolls Online Alive World of Warcraft Alive

[@ponasjeralvilho1839]

Just figured out that KZbin comments have a character limit

[@Bromon_Diction]

@@ponasjeralvilho1839 Thank you so much for this. Legend

[@danielrhome3652]

I don’t really comment on videos but this is the type of things I have KZbin for. Such niche content lmao I love it you have gained a follower

[@Kharn40k77]

Man, I really love these long form videos. I literally curl up with some popcorn and watch like a movie. Thanks Josh. Keep them coming.

[@FLF355]

This video is truly a piece of art. It's written beautifully, with wit, humour and a poignant message. You're not wrong when you say it's a magnum opus - just not what the viewer is initially led to believe. Outstanding!

[@Kwashior]

"That was the last Star Wars movie I actually saw." I envy you, Josh. I truly do.

[@AdaraTheBandit]

Love the video, Josh! I just want to share a few things regarding your entry for #32 on the list: Phantasy Star Online 2. I need say that all the footage in the video for that game was actually for Phantasy Star Online 2 New Genesis. The two are connected by the launcher, but PSO2 needs to be downloaded separately and does not share any of the progress with PSO2NGS. The only thing they share is that, when swapping from PSO2NGS to PSO2, the cosmetics (for the most part) are shared between the two characters with armor for PSO2NGS not being visual and the armor in PSO2 is floating around the player character. PSO2 is entirely procedurally generated dungeon instances that can be ran solo, with other players, or with NPCs whereas PSO2NGS is in an open world setting with occasional instanced missions/challenges. Their play styles are also vastly different with PSO2 being much more challenging and slow paced than PSO2NGS.

[@gvinuezas]

Thanks to take the time to do this, I'm a GuildWars2 player, and I was glad to see it made to the top 5, thanks again.

[@Aeteris]

Will probably still be up there for several more years, then for some more in maintenance mode until GW3 takes over the population 😊

[@iridradiant]

It consistently does, as evidenced here. I do like the smallish gap between GW2 and the ones that beat it and the larger gap for the one right below it in ranking.

[@westarrr]

Former GW2 player here with full legendary, I never doubted it to be anywhere below top 5. The genre has been way too stale for anything to show up in or around the top 10. I could have predicted WoW, BDO, GW2, FFXIV and TESO all being in the top 5 like they have been in the last 8 years.

[@Tiwill]

I know it's not meant to be taken seriously, but one takeaway I got from this video is that Dofus players need to start making Top MMO lists. It's strange that both Wakfu and Waven are here but not Dofus, when it's the original Ankama game, more popular than both, and has gone through the same process as RuneScape and World of Warcraft in having both a modern and a classic version of the game running at the same time. Also, shoutout to Rubies of Eventide my beloved. Fun video Josh.

[@welt96]

Hopefully with the launch of Dofus 3, youtubers start picking it up. I would love to hear Josh's opinions in my favorite game. 😢

[@TheSmartCinema]

I'm actually happy Wakfu has been mentioned. I was scared it wouldn't even appear. I have been playing since it released and never really quite understood why it always stayed so unpopular on Steam. The vibes, looks, stories, aesthetics, etc everything is so good about it.

[@amine1087]

​​@@TheSmartCinema sadly the company behind it, is completely neglecting it (the way josh said the games only con is its french, might be a joke but us damn so true sadly)

[@LutraLovegood]

@@amine1087 They're still releasing updates, making new content, and reworking old content on a regular basis. "completely neglecting it" is a wild hyperbole.

[@ItsAweeb]

Fully agree! I'm just happy I got mine (Over decade in wakfu and still going strong, actually kinda hyped for the new patch as well since we FINALLY get nox as a boss to punch!)

[@Fade2GrayOG]

I really appreciate Josh welcoming me back when I looked at the screen. It's small details like that that other KZbinrs overlook.

[@levrit8784]

I've never completely watched a 2 hour video on KZbin.... until this video. You sir, are incredibly entertaining to watch/listen to. Absolutely fantastic job and thank you for your hard work.

[@cos926]

I knew I have "bad taste" but having my beloved MMORPG being in 243 position, that's rough buddy

[@destroiz]

Being french really hurts it :/

[@FeartheKlown]

It could be worse. You could be a Meridian 59 fan.

[@Fletchling863]

Getting placed behind Free Realms is tough lol

[@8Kazuja8]

I did expect Wakfu to not rank high on a list such as this one, but being basically on the very tail end of it is unfortunate for sure.

[@didzilla360]

No dofus :(

[@flags4595]

dude. I used to stream and make some content to a small audience a few years ago, and I remember watching a Taliesin and Evitel video where Tali did the same timestamp joke you did at 7:10 and sworn that I'd someday use it myself. I don't really know what I'm trying to say, but it made me really happy to see someone else use that very youtube format-specific joke. It was great, thanks for that

[@grabeck666]

Josh, this is peak content. Not only you've put shitload of work into the spreadsheet itself, but also video itself has plenty of funny cut ins, memes and trivias. I was entertained for those almost two hours. Kudos to you.

[@EmeffMonkey]

Is this some sort of bad AI comment?

[@grabeck666]

@@EmeffMonkey rofl

[@henryyang802]

Founding my way back to Josh's channel. Honestly, I love the presentation with the british humor and sarcastic energy. Amazing work

[@robintst]

7 year long player of City of Heroes on the live servers here... just happy to see us in the conversation, we loved our game very much. It's been great having it back on Homecoming, I encourage folks to give it a try if they never got the chance when it was officially running, just keep in mind it's an engine dating back to 2004.

[@dukeofgotham4311]

Nah I’m good, good luck to ya tho 😂

[@LutraLovegood]

Have you played the other super heroes MMO? I'm curious which one I should play.

[@onceuponatimeonearth]

I remember when I played this game like 20 years ago and I basically created spiderman with a gun. Great game.

[@robintst]

@@LutraLovegood They're all free to play, just give them a try and see which one appeals to you. You got City of Heroes Homecoming, Champions Online, and DC Universe Online. If you're asking me what I think, I never liked Champions, it was also made by the CoH devs but it always felt like a colossal miss to me, they got it right the first time. They pretty much abandoned further development on it once they got the Star Trek license and got to make the game they really wanted to make. DCUO is kinda fun but your character is basically a second banana errand boy/girl for the established DC characters.

[@Maria_Erias]

@@robintst One of the problems with Champions Online, having played it casually for a couple of years some time ago, is that, apparently, the original coders for it quit after the people running the company decided not to give any of them any raises. Like, ever. So the coders intentionally trashed whole sections of the code and then quit en masse. It's the reason why Champions is the way it is today, because the original code is so spaghetti-like that they can't change anything without adversely affection something else. It's why they can only add new stuff without changing any of the old stuff.

[@SocksAndPuppets]

I'm AMAZED that city of heroes only appeared on one of your sources. This methodology heavily weights popular games, and City of Heroes was really popular in the day.

[@smokeyoak]

Beaten out by all those unreleased games but it's #1 in my heart 🫡

[@darkhorsedan]

Yeah, it's crazy. If you look up lists specifically ranking superhero mmos City of Heroes is almost always at the top.

[@saisyuumaho]

curse of being a 2004 release when the timeframe of the sources is 2004-2024, meaning the only real chance to show up was in the earliest sources, and those were also during the goldrush years so there were a plethora of similarly popular games surrounding it. it's pretty much luck of the draw for anything from that period that didn't have massive, lasting popularity and/or re-releases later down the line that put it back on the radar. mmos released in 2004 and earlier in particular are extra likely to be missing, as their development/launch popularity windows ended before the start of the source data.

[@Spammit-ye4vw]

this is what I'm surprised by most. I know many friends who played and have high praise for it. did it only score like 1 point? it was 245th or something?

[@lavarious8572]

This surprised me too. I figured the popularity of the private servers and how big the relaunch was would've netted it some more acknowledgement. One of, if not the best character creator in any game. And a pretty decent game overall for the time.

[@kirawynteal3374]

Love the ending. Very heart-warming, thanks Josh.

[@elitontherocks68]

Got me at. "this is my magnum opus" followed by a taped together spreadsheet print out because "this is the only way to visualize" it with a list this big! Great videos, thank you!

[@PathikritGhosh007]

It's incredible that Ragnarok Online doesn't even find a mention in this. Shaped my childhood.

[@acidosis1985]

Yeah I am surprised as well. It is such an amazing mmorpg. Need josh to cover it

[@itzatravesty263]

I was wondering where you've been. Glad your hear doing the work no other fella would. You truly are dedicated to the craft and potentially a smidgen looney, but I'm all for it sir! Thank you

[@argoniek6801]

He streams on twitch as well

[@implozia-rewind]

Since I want to explore some of the more unknown MMOs later for myself and wanted a reference, here are timestamps for all Live games as far as I can go: 11:22 - Meridian 59 - Live 11:43 - Furcadia - Live 12:15 - Istaria: Chronicles of the Gifted - Live? 12:44 - City of Heroes - Live 13:23 - Wakfu - Live (and my personal recommendation to you, not mentioned in video but Ankama made another MMO precursor to this, Dofus and Dofus Classic) 14:25 - Silkroad Online - Live 14:42 - Metin 2 - Live (Not sure if I could recommend this personally, but give it a try, if you are Romanian, this is probably the only MMO you can play in Romanian as far as I know) 15:03 - Gloria Victis - Live 15:13 - Waven - Live 17:09 - Echo of Soul - Live in Korea? 18:31 - Uncharted Waters Online - Live 20:32 - Realm of the Mad God - Live (very rogue-like, you will die a lot, but is also web-based as well as on Steam, pretty quick to pick up as a fun option) 20:52 - Kurtzpel - Live (wouldn't really recommend, heavy PvP, barely [if any] PvE, is on Steam, but see for yourself) 21:03 - Riders of Icarus - Live in Russia ,get localisation patch 22:33 - Shards Online ,on Steam as Legends of Aria Classic - Live with very few players 23:07 - EverQuest 2 - Live 24:19 - Therian Saga - Live 24:33 - ToonTown, Rewritten or any other private server - Live 25:19 - Age of Wushu ,in West as Age of Wulin? - Live in China? 25:37 - Eden Eternal - Live 26:00 - Fiesta Online - Live (on Steam with poor ratings because fans are filled with nostalgia for a game no longer there) 26:38 - GTA Online - Live In Top 200 28:53 - Closers Online - Live 29:28 - Pirates of the Caribbean Online ,The Legend of Pirates Online priv server - Live 29:58 - Fallen Earth Classic - Live with a small population 32:59 - Dragon Quest X - Live on PS, Switch and PC, was Live on WiiU and 3DS 34:19 - Twelvesky 2 - Live, Twelvesky 2 Classion on Steam 34:30 - Tantra Online - Live Globally only 34:57 - Wyncraft ,through Minecraft - Live 36:42 - Neocron - Fan Live 36:59 - Star Wars - Clone Wars Adventures - Fan Live with a small player base 37:30 - Dragonica Online - Live on Steam 37:59 - Knight Online - Live on Steam 38:13 - Flyff, or for the crossplatform, Flyff Universe - Live 39:56 - Raiderz ,on priv servers - Live 41:08 - Dekaron, EN: Two Moons, on priv servers - Korean Live 41:24 - Wurm Online (Can personally recommend, don't confuse with Wurm Unlimited on Steam) - Live with a small, dedicated playerbase 42:13 - World of Warships - Live 43:17 - Broken Ranks - Live but not doing well 43:36 - Adevnture Quest 3D - Live Crossplatform ,Mobile & PC 43:57 - Palia - Live

[@implozia-rewind]

in Top 150 45:23 - 9 Dragons - Live 46:21 - Conquerors Blade - Live 46:29 - Mabinogi - Live 47:37 - Kritika Online - Live? 47:57 - Drakensang Online - Live? 49:39 - TemTem - Live (and all updates for it have been released and won't receive anymore, also a personal recommendation, even if just to play the whole story by yourself) 49:59 - Dragon Nest - Live 50:19 - Dungeon Figher Online - Live on Eastern servers, Western shut down 50:42 - Shroud of the Avatar - Live? 52:53 - Granado Espada / Granado Babado? - Live? 54:02 - Justice Online - Live in the East? 54:28 - Odin: Valhalla Rising - Live on Mobile 55:16 - Rappelz - Live 56:53 - Corepunk - Live 57:11 - Atlantica Online - Live 57:55 - Spiral Knights - Live (Best on Steam but has it's own client as well, reluctantly recommend because it heavily relies on co-op of parties of 4 players to do missions late game, very grindy but for a day or 2 of playtime is great, the Energy thing is DEPRECATED! is entirely F2P with a few cosmetic and QoL exceptions, the music is beautiful and cozy) 58:38 - Second Life - Live (very similar to IMVU if you know it) 59:07 - Legend of Aria ,relauch of Shards Online, very similar - Live? 59:16 - Adventure Quest Worlds - Live 59-38 - Neverwinter Nights ,Toolkit that lead to private servers with MMO-like experiences - Live in Top 100 1:00:10 - Vindictus - Live 1:00:56 - Soul Worker Online - Live? 1:01:41 - Boundless - Live, but bleeding players 1:01:52 - World of Tanks - Live 1:02:05 - Champions Online - Live 1:02:19 - Fallout 76 - Live (small playerbase but dedicated and KZbin channels exist that still make very informational videos on the game) 1:02:52 - Brighter Shores - Live 1:03:06 - Age of Conan - Live but might not last 1:03:25 - Dual Universe - Live? 1:04:01 - The Division - Live, but might not last much longer, consider the sequel 1:04:17 - Blue Protocol - Japanese Live servers will close in 2025 1:04:36 - Embers Adrift - Live? 1:04:53 - Anarchy Online - Live and on Steam with good ratings 1:05:35 - War Thunder - Live 1:05:58 - Sea of Thieves - Live (still a nice and consistent playerbase, definitely fun) 1:06:12 - Pirate 101 - Live 1:06:41 - Cabal Online - Live 1:06:58 - Diablo Immortal - Live? but not recommended 1:07:19 - Tibia - Live 1:09:34 - Continent of the 9th - Live 1:10:04 - League of Angels - Live? (but I remember seeing the games in my travels to niche web MMOs, I can confirm they look like this (0_0')) 1:10:58 - Tree of Saviour - Live 1:11:15 - Moonlight Blade - Live ,PC & Mobile 1:11:27 - Project Gorgon - Live 1:12:22 - Wizard 101 - Live (wouldn't personally recommend as it has a bad history of P2W, drama and information leaks, you can't get past lvl 10 F2P but fun for a lil while) 1:12:53 - Skyforge - Live 1:13:15 - Guild Wars 1, more Online RPG than MMO - Live 1:13:50 - Star Wars Galaxies - Live (the video doesn't mention it, but multiple editions of the MMO are run in a variety of private servers, unfortunately it relies heavily on large amounts of players to make it's spraling economy work which doesn't happen anymore, fans look back fondly on it, but you can still try it) 1:14:56 - Allods Online - Live 1:15:10 - Mortal Online 2 - Live, but very niche 1:16:25 - Trove - Live (is on Steam) 1:16:38 - Tarisland - Live

[@implozia-rewind]

in Top 50 (just some of the lesser known, forgotten ones, some I wish more people knew of, or stuff I simply never heard of before, I omitted some to respect some of the creator's wishes of you actually watching the video) 1:17:41 - Final Fantansy 11; PS2, PC and Xbox 360 crossplay - Live 1:18:17 - Planetside 2 - Live (not quite an MMO, but is definitely Helldivers before Helldivers existed xD) 1:20:34 - Warhammer Online: Age of Reckoning, fan server Return of Reckoning - Live 1:21:20 - Ultima Online, Ultima Online Outlands fan server - Live 1:22:34 - DC Universe Online - Live on Steam with good ratings 1:22:59 - Rift - Live, but a shadow of it's former self 1:23:59 - Runes of Magic - Live, somehow, despite bugs 1:24:37 - Dauntless, not quite MMO - Live with a moderate playerbase 1:25:32 - The Secret World Legends - Live 1:26:22 - Dark Age of Camelot - Live 1:27:00 - Phantasy Star Online 2 - Live (on Steam, my friends look fondly on it and still seems to be alive and going) 1:28:22 - Perfect World - Live 1:28:42 - Lineage 2, had mobile ports - Live 1:29:47 - Throne and Liberty - Live 1:30:21 - Dungeons & Dragons Online, highly recommended - Live 1:30:58 - Everquest, highly recommended, new player friendly servers - Live 1:32:20 - Bless / Bless Unleashed - Live 1:32:50 - Star Trek Online, competent but missing something - Live (I resonate the same feelings) 1:33:10 - Aion - Live 1:36:46 - Blade and Soul, got a mobile spinoff? - Live 1:38:11 - Lord of the Rings Online - Live 1:38:42 - Neverwinter Online, not what it used to be without the Foundry and raids - Live 1:40:59 - Albion Online, has a mobile port - Live The actual list does not end here, but I will end mine here. For funsies, have some MMOs or online games (dead or alive) that haven't got mentioned, because I did play some niche ones myself: Elsword (not sure if still alive), Dead Maze (as dead as the name suggests), Dragomon Hunter (another Aeria Games title that got killed, was on Steam), Amazing World (dead, was on Steam), Deepworld (dead?), Cubic Castles (possibly dead?), Magicka: Wizard Wars (miss it sometimes for it's unique spell-casting, very dead), Everybody Edits! (nostalgic, very dead), Dino Storms (nostalgic, also very dead), Archeage Classic (priv server, removed all P2W from og!), RPG MO (seemingly alive still), IdleOn (alive). If I got something wrong, feel free to correct me and have a wonderful day!

[@FenrisSkoll]

@@implozia-rewind Fallen Earth is still online as well, I was surprised it wasn't mentioned. Doesn't even have a cash shop.

[@8Smoker8]

Wow glad to see DDO doing so well on the list :O definitely didn't expect that ranking given how underrated it is usually!

[@eldamiano_com]

This is what I like to call main monitor content. Thank you Josh, I am very whelmed. It's interesting to see games I have played or recognize, but also to know titles that haven't made it to the list. The list might be outdated already, but it's the only 2h long MMO tier list. That's longer than my playtime in Elyon. Some of the entries are less of an MMO than a regular Minecraft server is, classic video 29. Great pirate joke btw

[@darkonum]

stunned at how low city of heroes was on the list, had a ton of goodwill in the circles i ran in

[@boobah5643]

I have to assume that he didn't find many lists from the era when it was big.

[@heidisparklebottom]

This was an absolute treat 💛 Amazing that you can be so dedicated to SCIENCE while still making it so funny and entertaining to watch. I'm off to try out some new MMOs from this list, gonna start with Hearthstone and Overwatch I think.

[@jnor]

vid deserves a comment I feel.. algorithm and engagement and stuff.. good work dude!

[@sphinctus]

amazing video, just extremely curious how ragnarok online isn’t on here considering it’s significantly more popular to this day than 99% of these games.

[@KodoJoey]

Maybe Josh didn't search BR and PH articles and videos 😂

[@Psoewish]

I'm genuinely surprised not a single one of those videos or articles mentioned Ragnarok Online. Like how is Overwatch here, but not that? I blame freemmostation.

[@drinkingandgaming]

I've got a 12 hr drive tomorrow, be as long as possible.

[@cthellis]

Sadly under 2 hours. What gives?!!

[@RF-Ataraxia]

Welp, time to play it on loop!

[@thestoebz]

Drive safe

[@haruhirogrimgar6047]

Patrician TV has you covered if you enjoy cynical Oblivion/Skyrim views (12 hour Oblivion video, 24 hour Skyrim video split, and an 8 hour really positive Morrowind video).

[@gabrieldepace]

How isn't Lunia in the list!? Haha Josh you really deserves all praises for this video omg! So much work put into 1 video! You're amazing like wtf 🤯 congratulations! 👏👏

[@MB-zm2ur]

I cannot believe it! You actually found a video that takes Tibia into account, and it is at number 77! I sure as hell hope you will do a full video dedicated to this game alone, would be awsome! :D

[@GepardoS666]

I actually watched this on my main monitor. Good job Josh, you kept me fully interested and focused on the video for almost 2h. I could have played something, I could have watched something else, but no, I stayed here. the tie ending was wild, did not expect that.

[@peterchains]

I had to stop gaming, as I kept dying because i was glued to the other screen xD

[@zulascrown]

now I need Josh to do a tier list of all the mugs shown at the 1:50:08 time stamp

[@ChaoticD3sTroYeR]

That ad placement was done astonishingly well Josh, Bravo. 😂

[@ChaoticD3sTroYeR]

Whoa... That tie was NOT expected, a surprise for sure.

[@kevintrance1999]

Perfect World took 15 years of my life, It means so much and seeing it in top 30 made me shed a tear. That being said, you showed the mobile footage instead of the real game and it's a HUGE HUGE difference.

[@TurinTurambar_]

I love so much Perfect World. It was indeed a perfect world. The setting, music, scenario, classes, lore... nostalgia hits hard.

[@NeptuneXVI]

I found one of my people! I still log in once per year just to fly around archosaur and listen to the music. I played from 2008 to 2016. I want to go back :(

[@travstravinho2766]

perfect world mobile = another game you don't have to play if you don't want to

[@GuiMoreno00]

I've been playing Ragnarok Online for about 20 years now, I really do not understand how it didn't manage to show up here 😅. It is VERY popular where I live, with thousands of daily unique players, but well, it is what it is, excellent work Josh.

[@Pelic0ne]

So glad to see many people asking about the game missing in the comments, i was quite sad at first to not see it ranked highly and then find out it's not on the list at all. It's obviously not my "best game" choice but 100% the most fun i've had with a game (first mmo experience and all)

[@hyperstimmed]

happy I saw this comment right away, because now I know to skip the video. An MMO list without RO, ridiculous

[@jplayer073]

Never played RO but it feels like it's been a staple of the genre since forever. It absolutely should've been on the list.

[@FiLepsy]

That just means it wasn't in any top X lists. If you watched until 10:35 you wouldn't be making these comments.

[@AIIXIII0]

​@@hyperstimmedthen you should skip all MMO video. This MMO list is made by referencing hundreds on MMO list video.

[@farceFacade]

Happy Holidays.

[@user-ex5pg3oy9c]

Merry Christmas

[@JohnTCampbell1986]

Merry CHRISTmas*

[@HouseTre007]

These long ass videos are what the audience demands, good job.

[@thegodforce]

50:38 Actually Josh, DFO is still live in the west! The original devs of the game (and a subsidiary of Nexon) Neople asked to bring it back a year after shutdown. They launched a beta called DFO global, and eventually re-merged with the eastern version, taking on a similar relationship to the korean DFO as maplestory global does to maplestory SEA (about 6 months behind on content or so). Very healthy game, though. Still very much alive, and available on steam!

[@Kooriaisu]

very surprised this guy didnt do his research on all the games ngl

[@Agent_Biyan]

​@@Kooriaisu idk why you would be surprised considering how much research he already had to do to compile said list.

[@heyjeanwtf]

WYD, Ragnarok Online, Ragnarok Online 2, Mu Online, Priston Tale, Talisman Online, where are those??? :0 I sincerely can't believe Ragnarok Online isn't there...

[@renthesilentgamer]

same...

[@IkeisBoredBR]

tbh i forgot about RO2 but surprised that ragnarok online isnt on the list

[@jovi1246]

Those games are not on the list because it is never talked about on KZbin. RO doesn't even have a worst MMO video

[@MuffHam]

Aura Kingdom not on here.

[@joadore2479]

@@MuffHam thats a bit believable though

[@clanmav]

Excellent video! FF14, Destiny 2, OSRS, GW2, and Tera player here. Loved this!

[@tomeeekcz]

gw1>>gw2

[@LeonidasGGG]

What a fantastic video! Loved and even got interested in checking out a few of them! Much appreciated to see Wakfu and Dofus in there, and I still think The Matrix Online could comeback IF the Wachowskis actually cared. Just a few corrections: Wayfinder is NOT a shooter! It is, and always was, and action RPG. What changed was from MMO to just co-op. And the info on Dauntless is outdated, the game has been rightfully branded as "Dead" since the last (very horrific) update, and release on Steam by a cripto company publisher.

[@midnighttcircus]

wow the amount of stuff that ended up on this list that shouldnt be there and games that deserved to be on this list SOMEWHERE and WEREN'T is such a huge bummer! No mention of some of my childhood favourites, like Luna Online (my number one next to Mabinogi!), Elsword, Ragnarok - I don't think I saw Aika listed either? It's crazy to me that those weren't mentioned in ANY of Josh's research! in any case this was an incredible watch. i love science

[@quilynn]

Ragnarok not being on the list was surprising! Such a formative game for me. It's probably because it only includes lists published in the last 20 years though.

[@abjularabada6420]

This is absolutely phenomenal and insane to see, thanks for the hard work on this! Also i was impressed to not see Ragnarok Online on the list, you even mentioned it in the video, it's following is as big as Lineage 2 which makes it even more confusing to not see here.

[@davidriosg]

Maybe it's the language bias, I think Ragnarok online was never very big in the English speaking world

[@JustinHampton-l5j]

​@@davidriosgiro was gigantic, over 35,000 concurrent players during peak, which was before yt existed. And that's just the English version

[@wrightr]

Josh: I'm going to rank every MMO ever for science freeMMOstation: I'm about to ruin this man's whole career awesome video, been looking forward to this!

[@lexnight8345]

That guy literally ruins Josh sanity 🤣🤣🤣. This is just proof that even one bad entry in a data sheet can ruin all the results

[@Yumikitsu]

Dragonica actually mentioned! Today was a good day ❤ Surprised Tales of Pirates wasn't on there, thought it would at least be on the list.

[@natefoldan]

Absolute madness. Couldn't fathom subjecting myself to such a thing. Can't believe City of Heroes is ranked so low, that game was iconic when it came out

[@highpriestofzuul2926]

No kidding. We should all go make our own top 10s featuring City of Heroes, so when Josh revisits this in like 5 years (or next year...? now that he has most of the data up to 2024 it actually probably wouldn't take that long to update...) it's not that low.

[@Nightenstaff]

Agreed. And the rebirth of CoH, you'd think, would have put it on some of the more recent lists. At least it made the list though -- A Tale In The Desert didn't get a single mention in the sea of videos he watched which just makes me sad.

[@Gloomdrake]

Yet fathom it you must, for science

[@Shmandalf]

I'm so glad Tibia got a mention, my friends and I were playing earlier this year. No one ever talks about it yet its been around for almost 30 years, still holds up and is free to play (though most of the content is locked behind a Premium subscription, similar to Runescape). Still has a great and lively community, and one of the coolest housing systems - your house is actually in a location in the world, no instances!

[@tlakovyhrniec]

tibia is still huge, some servers reaching 5k+ players

[@Shmandalf]

@@tlakovyhrniec Yeah we had loads of fun and met a lot of cool people. There was an event on where if your server managed to eat through an enormous 4 storey high cake in a certain amount of time, the whole server got an exp boost for a month. Our server managed to do it with some organizations, hundreds of people participated, it was really fun. My friends and I have been playing off and on since about 2002, definitely my comfort MMO

[@doublet3n672]

I find it genuinely bizarre that Ragnarok Online didn't make the list, the game was massive back in the early 2000s, not even seeing it here is weird.

[@bieldiniz]

I'm wondering the same. He mentioned the game in another Ragnarok and I was waiting for it to be mentioned. Not a single point? Wow

[@acidosis1985]

Same hahaha I was waiting for him to mention RO 😅

[@rickwishaupt1978]

Ragnarok Online not being in the top 10% makers this list illegitimate. Plus my two other personal favorites are either too far down or not on it at all. What this person, who claims to be ‘scientific’ did wrong, was not account for the fact that the amour of articles and video’s is een extremely inflated post 2010. He is wrong, and therefore a terrible person. Why am I saying this? Again, I slightly disagree with this gentleman. I am only partially trolling 😂

[@leonawroth2516]

Same! I thought i missed it, but it's not on the list apparently, blasphemy!

[@Doomer3003]

I went here to say that too! I thought it would be in the list for sure. It was so big in the 2000s and even early 2010s.

[@lykophobetor]

Happy to see my favorite MMO in top 5, amazing video, worth the watch!