Inside C Stock Contrasts

Riding the former London Transport / London Underground C Stock trains.
The first view shows the trains approximately how they were when new.
The next few views show the prototype refurbishment of these trains. First the 'minor change' with the same seating layout and after that the 'major change' format with a very different seating format.
Finally these trains are seen in HD video showing them after refurbishment.
Most of the footage was filmed using a high quality stereo microphone, although when the train is travelling at speed buffeting is sometimes heard from wind blowing in via an open window that is behind me.
Apologies for the unsteady footage, especially when the train is travelling quickly.

[@kk-transport]

Miss these C stock

[@VascoRoblox-yp5rw]

Me to

[@tomcloy1]

The traction motor noise in the original footage is outrageous! I must be the the only person who prefered the C stock in original condition!

[@CitytransportInfoplus]

+tomcloy1 The first scenes show the trains after a few changes had already been made. 1)Because of poor airflow, especially in hot summers, extra ventilation grilles were added and 2) at some stage only a few years after they were built some sort of dark blue material was added to the seatbacks in the door areas.

[@solidbonduk]

+citytransportinfo It wasn't added - that was one of the differences between the original C69s and the later C77s. The blue areas were additional heating as the original C69s only had ceiling mounted heaters, and were therefore always cold!

[@390h8er]

Heaters on the ceiling?! Pretty stupid design.

[@redphone1438]

Steve Walden does that mean they were always air conditioned?

[@solidbonduk]

C stock never had air conditioning, apart from one unit (5513/6513 IIRC) which was fitted as a trial after refurb to see if it would work. It was actually quite effective.

[@MetroTitanD78]

They sounded very different too prior to being refurbished.

[@NoddyMaccy]

Indeed they did!

[@QuarioQuario54321]

The initial seating layout is far from ideal for something like the circle line. They must have gotten carried away with the A stock.

[@marksinthehouse1968]

I liked the C stock ,and after refurbishment they rode better because the bogies were modified ,but they were not too bad in original form until some idiots wanted to try and make west London like Brooklyn and spray graffiti on them so a walk down Shepherd’s Bush Market was like the opening sequence to Saturday night fever ,funny what America does we seem to follow it’s not art it’s vandalism

[@warweezil2802]

1968Concorde I had the opportunity to get one arrested on the Northern line when he tagged a newly overhauled 59 stock I was driving . One of the few times a BTP patrol was just where I needed it lol. They came to take a statement from me at Morden depot a few days later and told me he had cupboards full of spray cans in his bedroom when they searched his house along with a couple of albums of his handiwork... all in all a good result.

[@joshuayong9213]

+citytransportinfo I salute you for making such a good video.

[@CitytransportInfoplus]

+Joshua Yong Thanks!

[@JohnDoe-mm6kj]

Oh wow! Amazing...

[@waltrr8984]

You must be the only channel that does this. Keep it up

[@CitytransportInfoplus]

+Waltrr Thanks. Yes, I have more historic footage to come. If you remember the 1983 Tube Stock which used to be on the Jubilee Line, this film may be of interest. kzbin.info/www/bejne/eHPXk62oqbSYfJY

[@oludotunjohnshowemimo434]

The original Circle, District (Wimbledon to Edgware Road) and Hammersmith and City (originally the Hammersmith to Barking part of the Metropolitan line) lines' C Stock trains. Miss these guys too much.

[@CitytransportInfoplus]

the Wimbledon to Edgware Road service dates from something like 1926 - Edgware Road was rebuilt to have 4 platforms prior to a new line being built to the Kilburn area (deep level tube train tunnels for their mainline sized trains) but the govt. introduced new rules which meant that the Metropolitan Railway would not be allowed to use its trains with slam door compartments in the new tunnels - so they scrapped the new route.

[@haz05-06]

I love the old slamming of the door. I'll miss that

[@redphone1438]

/ Har_ry \ I thought it did bad damage to the door

[@Verbs2007]

I did enjoy driving these trains, the brakes worked much better than those on the D stock!

[@volvotrident4835]

I find the new interior better the old one just looks dark and weirdly unsuitable R.I.P C Stocks best trains next to the A stock.

[@marksinthehouse1968]

By 1989 the C stock was crying out for some TLC I was happy when LU decided to refurbish the trains it started a tidy up of the underground some people thought that they were new trains after refurbishment

[@CitytransportInfoplus]

I remember that - I actually heard people suggesting it when they saw the first of these trains in their revised format

[@steved8193]

'As new' reminds me of when you have two mirrors facing each other. The second prototype reminds me of a Crystal Maze automatic lock-in.

[@NoddyMaccy]

Tin cans! Thanks for the upload!

[@CitytransportInfoplus]

Yes, and at busy times stuffed to the gills with human sardines!!! LOL.

[@NoddyMaccy]

citytransportinfo Now stuffed with coca-cola ;)

[@390h8er]

I prefer the grey original interior. At least the seats faced each other and you could see through the window without twisting your neck. I miss these old beasts, the S stock is soo boring.

[@CitytransportInfoplus]

I know what you mean!

[@redphone1438]

390h8er notice that the 3rd refubisment is connected to 2nd one 4:12.

[@Great_WesternTVFan]

They did the District line Wimbledon to Edgware Road line to cover the District line due to the short platforms

[@oludotunjohnshowemimo434]

working the circle, ham city and district between edgware road and wimbledon. Miss the c stock.

[@jayyy092]

These sound very similar to our Transperth A series EMUs

[@MatthewPlato91]

I miss the C stock, running in a circle!

[@poznanskiszybkowiec_official]

I Miss It Too

[@abduljama2850]

I really miss the c stock

[@remiliu]

Unfortunately I had never gotten to ride one of these, there's something about 20th Century Engineering that new trains can never quite capture...

[@CitytransportInfoplus]

I think that 1930s and even 1940s trains were better!

[@jezzam2034]

In the first view, the train looks eerie, especially with the graffiti!

[@ANDREWWALLFORD123]

I love it this train ever!!!

[@cpringle_6167]

I like how the drivers cab door opened as the train started moving

[@TrainBusFan06]

0:08 Wimbledon to Wimbledon Park 2:07 Southfields to East Putney 4:14 Wimbledon Park to Southfields

[@AkomishTiddies]

3:08 this is the best variant, both inside and outside (blue top livery is visible)

[@CitytransportInfoplus]

As it happens, new laws which now apply to all trains and trams here in the UK would have seen the premature end of the blue stripe livery. The law requires that the doors are painted in a contrasting colour. This is to help people with poor eyesight find the doorways.

[@AkomishTiddies]

citytransportinfo I heard of that, but honestly I don't see much trouble in non-contrasting with the outer walls doors. If interior has differing from the outside colors, the doorway will be seen well anyway when doors open. (I've seen a heavily blurred picture with doors opened and closed testing that, probably on your website.) And marking doors with bright colors looks somewhat ugly (that's why liveries like BR blue, old green with thin white stripes or NSE looked better)

[@nah_144]

this sounds like the refurbished mark II 1972 stock

[@adammars1438]

You could do the same with the D78 right?

[@redphone1438]

ADAM MARS if he has films from 1990 of it

[@transportenthusiasticman26]

I miss the C Stock, along with the D Stock

[@ChoobChoob]

3:02 wow which station did you pass when the magical transformation took place#??

[@CitytransportInfoplus]

+KasHCubeD There were only two refurbished cars and they ran in the middle of a 6 car train that included four not refurbished cars. When I boarded the train at Wimbledon I was inside the front car but during the journey changed to the refurbished cars. I left the train at Putney Bridge.

[@redphone1438]

citytransportinfo in these 90s clips you were on the district line.

[@oludotunjohnshowemimo434]

The C Stock coming into Hammersmith. Was it a Hammersmith and City or Circle line train?

[@CitytransportInfoplus]

sorry, I do not know

[@indra144]

yes, c stocks runs on circle, district, and hammersmith & city.

[@21spinrage89]

The first Type of the C Stock sounds like the 1972 MKII.

[@chrisrowe7503]

Same traction motors but they were hardly touched since they came into service so probably gathered up dust and all sorts over the years. When they refurbished them all of the traction motors were removed and cleaned thoroughly. Either that or new ones were ordered that were exactly the same ones. Not forgetting as well the floors were made of wood then and not as thick as the fireproof ones that were later placed on the trains. Personally I think the first prototype were better than the end product. I can't stand side seating.

[@perrymarkbrackenbury7820]

I am in love with the sound of it!

[@usmankalooji3227]

when did intercom announcement start on the tube?

[@CitytransportInfoplus]

I am not sure of the dates but probably when trains were built with this or had it added during refurbishment.

[@redphone1438]

I believe when they were refurbished.

[@robtyman4281]

Usman kalooji- Probably around late 50's or in 1960 when the A stock trains were introduced on the Metropolitan line.

[@twelfthmoon3323]

@@CitytransportInfoplusfor the C and D stocks where is the speaker?

[@toddhunter3137]

It's weird seeing the old ones with all the glass screen interiors. It just looks so strange.

[@CitytransportInfoplus]

it does not look strange to me, but I prefer the newer version as the interior decor is much nicer (brighter, more colourful) and also because people cannot put their feet on the seats and the seat layout makes much more space for standing passengers

[@JackTheOfficeWorker]

I like it

[@volvo2nd88]

Wow all that graffiti!

[@CitytransportInfoplus]

thats how it was back then

[@vincentdeguard4726]

that is quite a difference...were there any other improvements made apart from what can be seen as 'refurbishment'?

[@CitytransportInfoplus]

+Vincent de Guard Possibly but I am not aware of them

[@vincentdeguard4726]

citytransportinfo ah. just wondered. goes to show if transport is designed & built from the get-go there no reason why (with bit of work) they can't be kept running beyond their expected years; as per the iconic routemasters.

[@JeffreyOrnstein]

Thank you for such a mutated ride. The second version with major refurbishment looks quite interesting. But the 1990 era looks quite nasty, unfortunately....

[@CitytransportInfoplus]

+Jeffrey Ornstein The interior ambiance was much nicer after refurbishment - the 1960's grey was very dull. But they were colder in the winter, because the refurbishment included removing the 'semi-compartment' type of seating and the draught screens.

[@redphone1438]

citytransportinfo and that's when the auto announcements came on after refurbishment.

[@realfrowz]

​@@CitytransportInfoplusso did they refurbish the motors I hear a slight change

[@redphone1438]

Did the Prototype refurbishment have automated Announcements?

[@CitytransportInfoplus]

I don't remember automated announcements on the trains before they were refurbished.

[@danwoodhouse9290]

no - auto announcements were not introduced till about 1998

[@kinkisharyocoasters]

After rehab, they really didn't look dated like they actually were. same with 1973 stock

[@danwoodhouse9290]

REHAB? - alright i know you mean REFURBishment

[@nicholasr39]

Any videos containing Vera the first DVA announcer?

[@CitytransportInfoplus]

I am not sure - I would need to hear her voice to know.

[@nicholasr39]

@@CitytransportInfoplus I know it was around in 2001/2002 on C stock trains and also was used on some bakerloo line trains whilst other Bakerloo line trains used Emma Clarke, possibly during a phase out.

[@danwoodhouse9290]

did the prototype refurb have door close bleeps?

[@CitytransportInfoplus]

sorry but but I do not remember

[@chrisrowe7503]

Yes they did as I rode one when I was 7. I remember asking my mum and dad why the doors had that closing bleeps.

[@redphone1438]

@@chrisrowe7503 did they have also have manual PA systems? Because the original C stock definitely did not have that.

[@tobeytransport2802]

The announcements sound like the S-stock!

[@TheLewistownTrainspotter8102]

They're the same ones.

[@tobeytransport2802]

Karen Page oh ok cool 😎 thanks 😊

[@SOSOwner]

There were some announcements that got re-recorded, though.

[@andrewlipiainen4133]

Original design reminds me of mf77 trains on the Paris metro

[@Juniper458]

I miss the c stock... :c

[@Juniper458]

Finnlay 172 i used to travel on them a lot. Especially back in 2013/14 when I was in london quite frequently

[@gabrielvictoroliveiraolive6471]

Sound

[@staszekr03]

We will miss you c stock 😭

[@staszekr03]

jus joking i think the s stock is much better 😉

[@waiyinka]

is that a C69 or a C77 train?

[@CitytransportInfoplus]

sorry its virtually impossible to tell unless you can see the car number

[@danwoodhouse9290]

the prototype refurb was the hybrid unit where the DM car was C77 but the trailer was C69

[@RIGalleries]

The C77 DM car was built to replace the one damaged beyond repair by the IRA bombing at West Ham in March 1976.

[@ShoaibKhan-bz5qm]

I love this classical humming sound that’s shared between many old trains and tubes u know what I’m talking about

[@waiyinka]

ok

[@tomjardine100]

Did these trains contain asbestos?

[@CitytransportInfoplus]

sorry but I do not know

[@NC-002]

High Speed 43 I don’t think so, I’m pretty sure the Cravens trains did like the A Stock and the 1960 Stock. I don’t think that the C Stock did, or if it did, then it would have been removed when refurbished, like when they removed the melamine and fiberglass from the 1967 stock upon refurb.

[@MrGriser]

Did the prototype have a hustle alarm?

[@CitytransportInfoplus]

+MrGriser do you mean door closing alarm? If so, I'm sorry but I cannot answer as I do not remember and did not film a door closing sequence of the two refurbished cars.

[@MrGriser]

citytransportinfo Oh that's a shame how long did the prototype run for?

[@CitytransportInfoplus]

+MrGriser sorry I dont know that either. In those days information was not so easy to obtain and sometimes it was just a case of being lucky / at the right place at the right time.

[@MrGriser]

citytransportinfo Do you know anyone who would have the information that I'm looking for?

[@MrGriser]

+Mr Opinionated Do you know how long the prototype spent in service we know it entered service in 1989 (on the day I was born in fact) 22nd November 1989 :D

[@stagecoachlondonbusenthusi1291]

out of all of them I like the 3rd one best

[@CitytransportInfoplus]

+Enviro400s FTW that is the version we ended up with!

[@stagecoachlondonbusenthusi1291]

+citytransportinfo I mean the futuristic version

[@CitytransportInfoplus]

+East London Bus enthusiast thats the version I wish I had filmed for longer...!

[@redphone1438]

citytransportinfo that's the version I was talking about if there were auto announcements.

[@stephthestar90]

Is that graffiti on the backs of the original seats?

[@CitytransportInfoplus]

alas, yes.

[@MDMNN_DVD_]

And that’s apparently called refurbishment XD

[@andrewlipiainen4133]

I think this was unit 5707(loudest c stock):listen to the noise!

[@southengtranspo]

The 1990 one is very dirty

[@CitytransportInfoplus]

especially in the 1990's graffiti became a serious problem.

[@chrisrowe7503]

Hardly any graffiti on trains now. Mainly because of CCTV and London Underground's huge crackdown pushing for prison sentences for offenders.

[@Tallinn8786]

It's quite shocking seeing a tube train that badly graffitied. It looks like a New York subway train it is so bad. I was born in 1986, so I guess I missed the period when the trains being vandalised.

[@danwoodhouse9290]

the C stock suffered the worst for graffiti one of the reason could be that many of them were kept in Barking sidings during the weekends and Bank Holidays

[@NSE465]

How old are you?? Those clips look old

[@CitytransportInfoplus]

How old am I? I'm much older than schoolchildren but still younger than my parents! I was a teenage schoolboy in the late 1970's.

[@NSE465]

@@CitytransportInfoplus sorry if that came across as rude. Its just you have so many clips and stuff I had to ask. :) i prefer prototype refurb c stock and d stock. Best types

[@Great_WesternTVFan]

@@NSE465 46

[@Mgameing123]

@@CitytransportInfoplus What is the oldest footage you have of trains?

[@harryelliott4310]

Circle Line C Tube Stock And District Line C Tube Stock And Hammersmith & City Line C Tube Stock

[@OffTheRailsUK]

What?

[@mindthegapplease3840]

@@OffTheRailsUK Don't listen he's just pointing the obvious he does this a lot.

[@twelfthmoon3323]

Where do the announcements come from inside the train? (Where is the speaker that produces the announcements?)

[@CitytransportInfoplus]

there were many speakers along the length of the train, and in general they were out of sight, so sorry but I do not know exactly where.

[@gabrielvictoroliveiraolive6471]

Cptm 1100 séries, 5000 séries ,4400 séries, 1700 séries

[@lol-ug2ry]

Gabrielvictoroliveira Oliveira nada ve cara

[@michaelbuntine362]

It's like c stock wanted to be the D stock.. D stock done it better..