Inside Out But Only When Riley Feels Anxious, Ennui, Nostalgic, or Embarrassed

Thank you for watching!
This is meant as a constructive view of Inside Out 2’s major flaw. If you liked the sequel I am happy you can enjoy it, but for me it is fundamentally flawed and its presentation misunderstands Inside Out and almost ruins what made it so special and interesting. I cannot get past the blatant disregard of world building and I am astonished that every reviewer out there just accepts this without real criticism.
I wanted to include my discussions but I could not include them all because of the character limit so I will have a link to the full description in the pinned comment. I included the two biggest ones here:
"Fear and Anxiety are different"
This is the biggest disagreement I have seen and I don’t blame people for saying it. Anxiety is clinically and psychologically different from Fear, but for the context of Inside Out it hinders the movie separating them. There are nuances, but anxiety triggers the same fear response; Whether or not that fear is immediate or imaginary shouldn't matter. It feels so different because the context of what it's responding to is different, but they are still responding from the same base human instinct. It's about their core roles in the movie. Going into their roles I first should define what I believe makes the Emotions the species that they are. Each Emotion represents an integral and reactionary Human instinct/response and are introduced with a unique purpose and job. The response they make is intrinsic and natural, you can feel it without thinking it. Anxiety is contradictory to this. Anxiety is too complex to be boiled down into one emotion, since it is a whole mixture of beliefs, fears, sadnesses, regrets, mistakes, future possibilities, and memories. It almost requires overthinking to be felt, which would not make it a core emotion. I would define it more like a unique state of thinking that can be created and displayed in a much more clever way. In the first they didn't make a character called "Depression" but instead removed emotions to display what it actually feels like. Anxiety could have worked the same, creating that feeling and state of mind by showing which Emotions and types of thoughts cause it to spiral. Regarding Fear’s role specifically, When Fear is making his list of disasters, he includes “Getting called on by the teacher” which is not a physically dangerous scenario but a socially dangerous one, since Riley is not in the right headspace to talk in front of her classmates. He and Disgust also both acknowledge the cool girls and are already playing damage control for how to approach them, meaning that Anxiety's social responsibilities are already divided into our core 5. She is a good character and is distinct, but essentially fills the same purpose from a base level. Keeping Riley safe does not need a “present” emotion and a “future” emotion. Fear has been shown to make lists and records of things that might happen, even being commanded by Joy to do so. In the lore of the film, Fear was given these tasks already. They also botch the metaphor by removing Fear from Headquarters in the second movie. It makes no sense to bottle up Fear because you're Anxious, as anxiety usually triggers the same fear response. She would be useless without him unless they can trigger the same sense of worry or dread. If they can, then she is redundant at best. Creating Anxiety also implies that Riley was incapable of being Anxious until she was 13, which is a bold claim to make given her expressions in the classroom scene
“That is not Ennui”
Ennui is more than simply Boredom. Webster Dictionary claims it is, “A feeling of weariness or dissatisfaction: Boredom” and Dictionary.com says, “a feeling of utter weariness and discontent resulting from satiety or lack of interest; boredom.” Both include boredom and there are scenes included here where she is bored and disinterested with her life, but I also included the scenes where she is more in a state of uncaring or despair (depression). It's a feeling of emptiness or a lack of passion. This can be achieved either with Disgust, as seen in Inside Out, or by removing all the other emotions, as is also seen in Inside Out. It is more the lack of emotion and therefore does not require a separate character to create. I do admit the bus scene should have a question mark on it but I do not regret including it for the purpose of the video. I do believe it is impossible to actually feel NOTHING. I understand it is meant to show depression. Riley is listless and in a state of melancholy, which is one of the primary feelings of Ennui. If they wanted to have boredom as the new Emotion they should have called her as such instead of choosing a niche word with a more complex definition. It’s also an odd choice to include a boredom Emotion, since the Emotions react as if they have never seen this attitude before, which is psychologically untrue as children are very prone to boredom.

[@pokedash55]

Thank you all for watching and commenting! I enjoy discussing this movie with everyone, but I am starting to repeat discussions. I was going to address the most common arguments in the description, but I am too much of a blabbermouth for the word count. A full list of Inside Out 2 points and rebuttals can be found here: docs.google.com/document/d/1T2_gEC3A6o9Wexf-t-lZle925cMpk0jdCxmEhJtjYxM/edit?usp=sharing Thank you for all the conversations! -Pokedash

[@AmareVT]

3:21 Actually, i dont think it would be ennui. Looks more like depression. Its is all black and se can't feel emotions. Literally depression.

[@wendywei2881]

@@pokedash55 I think you can have a lot of characters without ruining a show. Greek mythology has multiple gods and it’s so interesting to learn about each god. Hetalia has so many characters, but they all do it so well and make it so fun! It’s all fun to learn more about each character, how their history impacts each character, how their art culture and environment affect them. So I kind of want a lot like what they do with Greek Gods or Hetalia characters.

[@wendywei2881]

Encanto, Avengers, Justice League is also a good example. I heard Warrior Cats, Wings of Fire, Game of Thrones, they have that different clans stuff. Also Avengers: Civil War thing, groups divided kind of thing like non-bender bender kind of thing like Atla.

[@wendywei2881]

Percy Jackson too.

[@upbeat6144]

The difference between fear and anxiety is confusing, but lemme break it down. Riley isn’t really feeling anxious through inside out, it’s actually fear thats truly feeling anxious. Fear is a feeling of being scared in dangerous settings. Anxiety is a feeling of being scared of whats to come.

[@pokedash55]

@@upbeat6144 Thanks for the comment! There are differences for sure, but I personally don't believe the distinction is necessary. Either way you're feeling scared and humans only have one fear response. With the Emotions it's complicated, but I always viewed Headquarters as one huge metaphor for what thoughts are passing her mind. Fear isn't just some guy. He's Riley's Fear. It's a visualization of how she sees Fear and I think entirely seperating the emotions from Riley is losing the interesting part of the allegory. Joy is controlling and needy because Riley is forcing herself to be happy and thinks it's good for her family. Fear is trying to get the others to act like Joy because Riley is afraid of dissapointing her mom if they knew she missed home. Fear gets pushed around cause Riley is naturally inclined towards anger. I think looking at it this way adds alot of depth. It's not a perfect interpretation as they do have individuality beyond Riley based on what Emotion they represent, but the movie is stronger with this in mind.

[@finnegandwyer45]

Anxiety is the combination of fear and anticipation. It would be interesting if we got an anticipation instead of anxiety; If this was the case, I could see fear and anticipation running around each other in loops.

[@KaelyWaely]

Anxiety explains the difference in the second movie

[@jhsemoxitha3821]

Exactly

[@THGMR-ox7sd]

@@KaelyWaelywhy do people not know the difference or maybe it’s not explained well? I haven’t seen the second one yet so I don’t want spoilers. Maybe I shouldn’t have asked but I kinda want to know still.

[@awkwardo2029]

anybody who's ever actually delt with anxiety can easily distinguish the difference between anxiety and just fear. You notice how fear is afraid of more practical and specific things like his obsession over the seatbelts and earthquakes while anxiety is just afraid of what Riley's future will look like. Also it's clearly stated that when Joy and Sadness are gone, it's not that Riley feels a sense of boredom or Ennui, she just feels nothing. And also the emotions can experience other emotions than from their own, you notice how none of the scenes where they're feeling this, they don't control Riley like for example: when Disgusts says she envies the dead mouse, that's just her thought not Rileys, or when Fear is going over all the possible problems that can happen at the new school, he never makes Riley think of them. In summary, Fear is just a cautious dude, and Anxiety is what actually perfectly represents anxiety.

[@awkwardo2029]

Also the ending of the movie is literally just talking about how Riley feels sadness cuz she misses Minnesota, how would Nostalgia play into that if they were literally there a few days ago

[@pokedash55]

Thank you for commenting! I love talking Inside out Lore alot so I love anyone who puts their opinion out there. Sorry i am probably gonna ramble here but this is all just loose thoughts and not a slight on you. I understand the nuances of Anxiety and Fear being different, but for the context of Inside Out specifically, I feel it hinders the allegory to create a new unjustified character into the mix. Anxiety is caused by many things and having a panic disorder I know how complicated it can be. It is too multifaceted to boil down into a core emotion for me and that's my big issue. Each Emotion represents an integral and reactionary Human instinct/response. They are introduced with a unique purpose and job. Anxiety as a whole is a whole mixture of beliefs, fears, sadness, and memories that would not be functionable as a Emotion character. I always saw the Emotions less as characters that interact with Riley and more visualizations of her thoughts and how Riley perceives that emotion to be. So Fear worrying about the van being lost or getting hit by a meteor are still passing thoughts in her mind as well, even if he doesnt trigger the actual fear response and I think there is good evidence with that interpretation in Inside Out's general presentation. They are all aspects of Riley and not coworkers who happen to control her sometimes. For the Ennui part, I did include question marks on them since I am not certain they counted, but I do believe it is impossible to actually feel NOTHING. She is simply listless and uncaring, which is one of the primary feelings of Ennui. I look at it as who is redundant and who hurts the narrative. To me, adding any new Emotions misunderstands the metaphor and the revelation that they can mix to create new feelings. As for Nostalgia, there is no time requirement for nostalgia. It is a wistful and bittersweet recollection of a time/place that was happier or more peaceful. I can be nostalgic for last week if i wanted to be if enough happened to change within that timespan. Again I just really like discussing the movie this long ramble is not a slight on anyone who really enjoys the decisions Inside Out 2 made ^^

[@use-r814]

Oh that's so obvious

[@AGirlWhohatesfurries]

Ok ugly TD pfp "2029"

[@massicruz1450]

​@@pokedash55Fear can feel anxiety but that doesn't mean riley is feeling anxious. What the emotions say aren't riley thoughts, they only control what she feels not what she does or thinks. (This is my opinion)

[@longforari]

Just because Fear was covering Anxiety's job doesn't mean he was doing it well. He literally plans for meteors on the first day of school it's clear he isn't meant for the role

[@pokedash55]

@@longforari Ouch poor Fear did his best XD

[@THGMR-ox7sd]

That’s what I was thinking too.

[@artblank7342]

I mean anxiety is overthinking outcomes that are even unrealistic so it's not too far off. Similar to the scene where Anxiety orders the mind workers to make up negative scenarios for Riley to think about

[@unodostres1391]

My interpretation is that Riley already feels these emotions before, but they're heightened after puberty. In the second movie their was a scene where they were flinging bad memories to the back of the brain, and one of them was a mixture of disgust and joy but it was an embarrassing moment. The main 5 induce other emotions such as fear projecting as anxiety, but the new emotions are experienced more during puberty. There are other inconsistencies such as why the main 5 are controlling the adults and others when it shows the other emotions (we only saw anxiety but I'm assuming the others are there too).

[@pokedash55]

I suppose, but interpretations and suspension of disbelief can only take a film so far. I love alot of the ideas it presents (like the back of mind and memory belief system) but It also fumbles alot of what made Inside Out special. I don't defend it's wrongs because of how much I respect it. It's more clever working with the mixed emotions and getting see the dynamic of the core 5 then making a redundant cast with the purpose of splitting up the team again. Thanks for the comment (my rambles are never meant to be aggressive^^) I just hate adding unnecessary lore than the first establishes to be near impossible.

[@unodostres1391]

@@pokedash55No worries, and I agree but the 1st film had some inconsistencies too but those didn’t bother me as much. Although think the second film was good, the first one will always be more impactful, I guess we’ll have to see what’ll happen in the third movie.Thank you for responding.

[@MagicSpectrum]

@unodostres1391, Exactly what I was thinking.

[@akfc.6978]

My theory is that the new emotions, not just Nostalgia, already existed within Riley’s mind in the holding space room before Riley hit puberty because they weren’t really needed until Riley reached puberty

[@pokedash55]

@@akfc.6978 Thanks for the reply! I addressed this in the pinned comment if you're interested.

[@user-qm2gp7zy3b]

Honesty Island is probably feeling guilty, not embarrassed

[@pokedash55]

@@user-qm2gp7zy3b Yeah I was hesitant to include it but I wanted the most thorough list of possible moments. I use the question mark when its a possible feeling or thought but not exactly the same. Thanks for the comment ^^

[@thatweirdbwah_]

Guilt stems from embarrassment

[@user-ks5bo9wf7i]

@@user-qm2gp7zy3b interesting too since Guilt/Shame was a scrapped emotion for the second movie

[@nadie887]

@@thatweirdbwah_ I think it's the other way around

[@Batbitesthesecond]

@@thatweirdbwah_not true

[@isobel...6166]

3:32 when the bored turns black like that I think that means depression

[@ayo.itsbrax]

yall don’t know how emotions work and it shows😭

[@honestybaddie]

Tf is y’all bc I do btc

[@benrisalandpastel]

Have you seen film theory’s video, not even the scientists do

[@UniHorned]

0:10 She's not embarrassed, she's feeling guilty which is more akin to sadness; 0:12 Though fear is talking, Riley is not feeling fear, she's not anxious here; 0:25 As you said in some comments anxiety isn't just "fear" as the screenshot of the definition suggests. Fear is scared of getting rabies, not anxious. Still talking about anxiety, it seems you understand that clinically fear and anxiety are different emotions and yet you believe it doesn't make sense in the context of the movie? Ignoring how contradictory that sounds; Yes, fear and anxiety trigger the same fight or flight sensation in the body, but that's it. The character fear represents the fear of the present while anxiety represents the fear of the future, it's not complicated; Since these two emotions guide Riley in a different way, they are seen as two different emotions in the movie aswell because that's what emotions are for. They serve to guide us. Fear guide us to fight or flee in the present while anxiety urges to prepare for what might cause it, she isn't guiding us to fight or flight right now even if triggering the feeling. 0:28 Disgust is saying it sarcastically to herself, she's not making Riley feel envious; she can't even make Riley feel anything similarly envious in the first place because disgust is probably one of the most contrary emotions to envy, unless the disgust is directed at yourself. 0:30 Boredom is not the lack of feeling, boredom is a feeling of dissatisfaction to your current situation. It tells you to stop engaging in things that are not worth your time and effort and to search for more interesting things. What Riley is feeling here is emotional neutrality, an idle emotional state where she isn't feeling anything in particular or at least not strongly enough to define. 0:39 Nostalgia is a feeling of deep longing for something that was good in the past, simply remembering something good does not define nostalgia. 0:46 Emotional neutrality; 0:49 Fear is actively controlling the console here, she got scared by the light of the car, it's in front of her; not anxiety. 1:01 Anxiety is not just fear; Also, fear explicitly says "right now". 1:04 Remembering isn't nostalgia; 1:20 Though what he's doing here is basically what anxiety does, nowhere in the movie fear makes Riley feel anxious about the future. In this scene, he's helping joy prepare rather than helping Riley prepare. 1:24 What disgust was most likely going to make Riley feel here was what we call "cringe", not embarrassment; though we don't actually get to see. 1:26 This is just reluctance, also, fear doesn't specify what he's reluctant about; 1:30 Helping joy, not Riley; 1:41 An emotion feeling an emotion doesn't mean Riley is feeling it; 1:51 She isn't. Anxiety is related directly to imagining scenarios in your mind about something that has yet to happen, she isn't thinking about any scenarios here, she is afraid of doing something wrong in the present. 2:04 Remembering something isn't nostalgia, she is more accurately feeling a weak/subtle feeling of grief here, realizing she can't go back to her old town. Sadness. 2:11 What I said about fear so far applies here. 2:27 Emotional neutrality; 2:35 Sarcasm is not an emotion; 2:50 Her expression looks more angry or annoyed than anything? 2:59 Emotional neutrality; 3:06 An emotion feeling an emotion(...); anger is in the control here; 3:22 Directors have confirmed that the darkning console was supposed to be an emotion's doing, more specifically Gloom, but they decided not to personify it. Gloom is more akin to a very deep state of sadness to the point of making someone unfeeling; 3:48 Yup, nostalgia, just for her parents; Riley is grieving. A nostalgia memory for something that just happened though..? 4:48 She's cringing, not embarrassed. A combination of emotions doesn't necessary make new feelings. Some feelings might be a combination of emotions, such as envy being a combination of sadness and disgust(to yourself), but people can still have different ways to feel that emotion, such as being angry that they don't have what someone else has, or feeling joy along with it, happy for the other person.

[@pokedash55]

@@UniHorned Thanks for the comment! I know it takes a whille to do time stamps like this! I'd definitely check out the pinned comment for my full thoughts if you're interested. I just made this to let some anger over the sequels writing out so it's definitely not perfect and I agree that I included a lot of extra scenes that might not be the exact emotions.

[@hiii9439]

@@pokedash55i think they have a really good point, and the sequel lines up pretty well with the story of the first one. i wouldn’t consider these new emotions as a plot hole.

[@pokedash55]

@@hiii9439 I'm not sure it can be considered not a plot hole since we see adults in the movie with the same 5. The movie can be good despite the plot holes but to deny or justify them doesn't review it honestly. Check out the pinned comment if you're interested I talk more in depth there! Thanks for replying ^^

[@hiii9439]

@@pokedash55 yes of course. i think though that these emotions stay usually through adolescence, it hasn’t been confirmed that they are still in adults.

[@pokedash55]

@@hiii9439 We do see teenagers though if you count the credits as canon.

[@dxstothebxsto]

Let me differentiate between anxiety and fear in simple simple terms: ANXIETY: basically a fear of the future (what if...) FEAR: basically a fear of the present (theres a monster under my bed)

[@pokedash55]

@@dxstothebxsto Thanks for commenting! Sorry I missed it I've been super busy. If you're interested I addressed this in the pinned comment ^^

[@Yams-Hams7734]

That’s not entirely true, during the first day of school sequence fear comes up with a list of scenarios that will happen in the future that he’s worried about, like being called on the teacher. By your definition that is anxiety. It is true that Fear can be afraid of things happening the present, but he’s also fearful of things in the future as well. Then there’s the short scene in the beginning where Fear was afraid of Earthquakes in San Francisco, and he states “I’m so glad you told me earthquakes were a myth, Joy.” “Otherwise I’d be terrified right now!” This sentence implies that he was already fearful of earthquakes before they even got to San Francisco, so technically Fear and Anxiety are not distinguishable, and can work interchangeably.

[@revinhatol]

THEY'RE BEEN WAITING FROM DOWNSTAIRS THE WHOLE TIME!

[@wille2439]

What do you mean?

[@MrPillowStudios]

@@wille2439 The downstairs of the HQ building in Riley's mind. Nostalgia is there just to wait for her to be able to go into the upstairs where every other emotion is now.

[@azulathesunmoonsimp8939]

Anxiety, Ennui, Embarrassment, Envy and Nostalgia through all of the first movie: **playing Uno**

[@bennysundance175]

@@azulathesunmoonsimp8939 No, they have their own buttons down there, Probably. but are not needed very often.

[@Lovesick.Sagebrush]

0:44 Nostalgia isn't sadness for memories or looking back on something, it's a very specific emotion which manifests as a beautiful rush.

[@daniapfel2825]

I guess this dude mistakes Fear with Anxiety, Disgust with Envy, Nostagia with Sadness

[@renzjarredhsantiago3985]

its clear that you havent had severe anxiety yet. fear and anxiety are two different things. they share common elements but theyre still different. a very simple way to put it was said in the movie. fear takes care of things that can be seen. anxiety takes care of things that cannot be seen.

[@pokedash55]

@@renzjarredhsantiago3985 Thanks for commenting but It's a tad rud to assume that simply based on my movie opinions. I know you dont mean anything by it but I have struggled with crippling and severe panic attacks ever since I was 12 (somewhat genetic from my mother). I'm just not convinced it's a good decision from a lore and writing perspective to seperate these concepts given what's established. I have more details in my pinned comment if you're interested!

[@yourlocalyoutubecommenter]

@@pokedash55 Well I think Anxiety is the emotional aspect of stress and not just applied fear. We see Fear also protects Riley from social dangers, as seen in the sequel's novelization and in the sequel where he prevents Riley from touching Val. The distinction that Anxiety protects Riley from things she can see and Fear protects her from things she can see is an oversimplification because remember this is a movie meant for all ages. Ennui may be technically more than boredom in psychology but in the movie it is defined as equivalent to boredom, which is distinctly unpleasant. I agree Nostalgia is unnecessary though as a mixture of Sadness and Joy. I hope she's just a gag.

[@pokedash55]

@@yourlocalyoutubecommenter The issue is the movie has already set the rules of how Emotions are created Expressed and mixed. Adding any breaks this rule and hinders the narrative. I go into detail in the pinned comment since all of this I have heard before. Thanks for replying!

[@SonarTheBat]

I feel like anxiety is a type of fear. Fear protects you from treats. Anxiety protects you from potential threats.

[@aamirsohail8802]

This may be long but In the first movie, you can clearly see how fear never actually thinks of the realistic possible outcomes in the future and puts it into action, except for one time where he wrote all the problems that could've occurred on first day of school for Riley. Fear is mainly an emotion where it responds to a direct fearful situation. The problem with "all his bad outcomes" is that they're not realistic at all. For example, he wrote "if a meteor crashes". These thoughts are quite irrational and are hardly going to occur and the reason why fear is different from anxiety because anxiety thinks of realistic outcomes that can occur depending on the current action you make. Anxiety is living in the present and future, whereas fear develops a scary experience from the past and may burst out when you are in a scary ambiguous situation. For example phobias or specific fears like spiders or heights. Fear is primarily more protective and it figures out how to get out of a situation, whereas anxiety figures out how to deal with a situation so there is a huge difference. Additionally, the unrealistic thoughts fear comes up with on Riley's first day of school is primarily situations that can cause distress and psychological harm whereas anxiety focuses on what is socially acceptable and she focuses on the "FEAR" of being left out and not fitting it with the majority and actively worries about the future like altering Riley's personality and prioritising one thing over the other so Anxiety can cause imbalance whereas fear can't. However, depending on situations, both fear and anxiety may be triggered at the same time or fear and sadness may be triggered at the same time. I think anxiety is a mixture of fear, sadness and envy. Therefore, anxiety has similar traits like these emotions but actually takes control unlike the others who are important for other situations. (I commented this on a reply section previously)

[@pokedash55]

Thanks for separating it for people to see! Reply chains can get messy

[@_Quaso]

This is exactly what I was thinking the entire time. Fear’s job COVERS anxiety’s job, she wasn’t needed

[@SeaChickenEdits]

As someone who suffers from extreme anxiety, I can say with my full chest that anxiety is fundamentally different than fear. They have similarities, but they are not the same.

[@pokedash55]

@@_Quaso Thanks for the comment! I have this opinion too. Anxiety is clinically different for sure but in the lore of the film it's not as Fear was given these tasks already. It makes no sense to bottle up Fear because you're Anxious, as anxiety usually triggers the same fear response. The context of what it's responding to is just different and that's why they feel so different. As someone with a panic attack disorder I always saw it as fear going haywire.

[@iam-felixswife]

@@SeaChickenEditsagreed with you here

[@ThatOnePaulGuy]

Except I think they explained this IN the movie: “Fear protects [Riley] from the stuff she can SEE, and [Anxiety’s] job is to protect her from all the scary stuff she can’t see”

[@seah19]

Anxiety is a state of worrying while Fear is a state of being scared Fear is instant while anxiety is looming

[@rhetiq9989]

I wanna know when and where Riley's parents might've felt anxiety in this movie, considering how the second one revealed that it had been in their heads the entire time

[@TheMaskedWarrior-qq4kr]

probably when riley ran away from home

[@jujublue4426]

The moment when Riley takes the boss looks more like depression than ennui/boredom to me though, it's way more serious than being simply bored in this situation.

[@pokedash55]

@@jujublue4426 True. I wanted to include any possible scene for completions sake! I should have put my question mark on those. Thanks for the comment!

[@jujublue4426]

*bus

[@-catlove64-]

They be using the console app down stairs

[@yanderegabby_18]

I feel like these emotions did already exist but in a different way Like, after Riley hits puberty, emotions are more intensified and they get their own physical manifestations I think the new emotions came from Riley's already existing emotions, which explains why each seem to have a "counterpart" (Embarrassment + Sadness, Envy + Anger (disgust works too), Anxiety + Fear, Ennui + Disgust, and Nostalgia + Joy mostly because you're usually happy when nostalgic) The main five are like the "core" and most basic emotions and the others are introduced as Riley's mind gets more complex and specific, which is why Riley still exhibits the new emotions in the first movie because they came from the first 5 emotions

[@yanderegabby_18]

I'm able to see through the lines and pick up on implications for shows/movies better than irl who would have thought

[@yanderegabby_18]

Or, alternatively, combining emotions is what led to the creation of the new emotions (Joy + Fear = Anxiety, Fear + Disgust = Embarrassment, Joy + Anger = Envy to give some examples)

[@pokedash55]

@@yanderegabby_18 I've seen this interpretation around the comments and it's an interesting one. Addressed in the pinned comment if you're interested. Thanks for commenting!

[@someweirdstuff1256]

envy: where me 😭

[@ElYu-kn6uf]

0:28

[@someweirdstuff1256]

@@ElYu-kn6uf I mean in the title

[@ElYu-kn6uf]

@@someweirdstuff1256 oh..

[@delcat5810]

@@someweirdstuff1256probably because she is not showed a lot

[@kwoobgd]

Imo This is because rileys life is getting harder as she grows up thats why they sent other emotions to help the basic ones

[@pokedash55]

@@kwoobgd How do you mean "they sent"? Sent by who? That's not exactly how they worked in the first one since they needed to be in Headquarters to be expressed. I'd be interested in hearing your theory/interpretation.

[@blackqweenmars]

Bro, the emotions always existed though Riley was just introduced to them at 13 based on what anxiety says when she meets joy it’s obvious that she had existed before that

[@pokedash55]

@@blackqweenmars Thank you for commenting! How can they both exist and be introduced at the same time? Either she is feeling them or she's not. It just confuses and complicated things too much to add new characters who's functions are already established with the other Emotions.

[@blackqweenmars]

@@pokedash55 what I mean is that they existed before they moved into headquarters.

[@pokedash55]

@@blackqweenmars Thanks for responding! We actually see how Emotions are created and they are not supposed to be outside Headquarters. They are born when the emotion is first needed and come from a flash of light within Headquarters itself. With the view they existed prior there still would be lore breaks and plot holes, since they wouldn't be in headquarters to impact Riley's feelings which was a huge plot point before. Either way it makes no sense is what I'm getting at. Emotions don't "move in". They are born for a purpose and are supposed to spend their whole life at Headquarters. (Not trying to be aggressive i just really like talking about Inside Out)

[@dexverse7792]

@@pokedash55I get where you are coming from but in the movie they specifically mentioned how they “finally came up to headquarters.” Not to mention, Nostalgia is there already and isn’t needed until Riley is 30 or whatever, and is forced to leave headquarters to wait until she is needed, so I guess she is still in the mind before she even gets there. It could be plausible that the newer emotions in the movie were there early on, and maybe even had their own sort of console they could use separate from the one in headquarters. I mean, all of the new emotions already know each other when they get into headquarters so it’s not like they were just created. I do agree that the newer emotions added can really just be attributed to a combination of previous emotions, like Envy can be Joy and Disgust, Ennui can be Sadness and Disgust, Nostalgia is really just Joy and Sadness, Anxiety is mostly fear and maybe a little sadness, but I think this can also be attributed into the story. The new emotions appear as soon as the old emotions start combining the memories to have a pair of two emotions, so these new more complex emotions are embodiments of these new emotion combinations. The five, as we see in the minds of the adults, are still the core five that lead the mind emotion wise as the new emotions pop in if needed. The core five still make up for the grand scheme of all of Riley’s emotions, but the new emotions are just specific branches and versions of the core five for more specific scenarios.

[@dexverse7792]

@@pokedash55Sorry another thing in the video the part where disgust is causing Riley to be sarcastic. I thought a bit about this one but I think I came up with something. Disgust is being more Sassy, not Sarcastic. The difference is where being sassy is more like backtalk out of annoyance or irritation, while sarcasm is done out of more of a comedic manner like making fun of something, as we see that Riley does in the second movie when she is being sarcastic to make fun of things like the band she likes. Sorry I keep commenting, I also like talking about the movie and I also like this second movie so I’m honestly just trying to prove, mostly to myself, that it’s legitimate. Thanks!

[@EnnuiMeansBoredom]

I like how outside intro was playing when Joy and Sadness made a core memory

[@Marngel]

This is definitely one of my main criticisms towards this film. Ultimately, I still enjoyed the film a lot though. But I don’t blame you and others for not liking the sequel because of the inconsistency of how emotions work in these films

[@aartist_is_cool]

I agree

[@someweirdstuff1256]

I agree but I love the film

[@aartist_is_cool]

@@someweirdstuff1256 yeah dont me wrong I love the flim one of my all favorites its just its weakest part this time was the world building but that it

[@daniapfel2825]

How could you say that ? You mistakes those emotions too

[@ItsCrowndKandy]

I swear if one more person says anxiety is the same as fear they say how she’s different like 10 times in the movie fear prepares for rn and her safety physical anxiety prepares for the future and Riley’s safety socially

[@pokedash55]

@@ItsCrowndKandy There are differences, but to me the distinction isn't valid enough for breaking the lore to make a new character. Anxiety is fueled by alot of circumstances and thoughts. I'd argue it's too complex to make it a main Emotion. Although not the same as Fear, it triggers the same fear response and can easily be created using combinations like fear/sadness. To me it's far more interesting for representing anxiety by showing its multifaceted nature with the characters they already have. In the first they didn't make a character called "Depression" but instead removed emotions to display what it actually feels like. Anxiety could have worked the same, creating that feeling and state of mind by showing which Emotions and types of thoughts cause it to spiral. Thanks for the comment!

[@ItsCrowndKandy]

@@pokedash55 ok I’m not reading that whole book u just wrote but still what other emotion would they have added anxiety is like the most common thing for teenagers I should know there trying to write it from a teenagers perspective

[@pokedash55]

@@ItsCrowndKandy Sorry if i had a long reply I just like talking about this movie. I would have added none and made a story around the world that was there! Thanks for the reply 🙂

[@ItsCrowndKandy]

@@pokedash55 yw

[@daniapfel2825]

​@@pokedash55Depression is a sickness !!!! I have depression myself and your video and mistakes about Anxiety and Fear offends me !!! You even confesssed in a comment that you did that because you’re angry for the sequels

[@YouSplatedVanisher]

0:53 here we can see fear making Riley overthink

[@abelarmstrong8054]

I just like seeing new characters

[@pokedash55]

@@abelarmstrong8054 I guess so. But even in the film they don't do anything. There is a delicate balence and having too many characters that all contribute nothing can really hurt a movie, especially if they go against preestablished world building. I do love drawing Anxiety I am guilty of that cause she's just very fun! Thanks for the comment ^^

[@abelarmstrong8054]

@@pokedash55 you’re welcome

[@abelarmstrong8054]

@@pokedash55 but I did think “Hey wait a minute, Riley did act bored and even got sarcastic once in the first movie” before I saw this video

[@pokedash55]

@@abelarmstrong8054 Facts. Glad i could compile it for people cause I think staying true to the OG world building is an important point of discussion for any follow up.

[@abelarmstrong8054]

@@pokedash55 their probably not going to introduce h*rniness in a kids movie. That’s a puberty emotion I thought of

[@wendywei2881]

I kind of agree that the new emotions are repetitive. Like if there’s anxiety, does that make fear useless? If we don’t usually encounter real dangers. But I don’t feel like Ennui is repetitive, Ennui is like apathy in a way. People think I have resting b face, and I feel Ennui, I try to explain to them I am not happy or angry. Though I feel like some emotions could be not repetitive like Confusion, which makes people raise their eyebrows, Awe / Surprise this one can be related to intrigue more than joy or fear. I mean Hope is explained as different in the Pandora’s box myth or like needy, longing, Or passion who’s a fan of tango. I still think intrusive thoughts would be a funny one, the “What am I doing?” emotion.

[@pokedash55]

Thanks for commenting! I agree that most are repetitive. I think with enough creativity all of them can be expressed given the 5 that exist. With Ennui the issue for me is that apathy or melancholy is more of a result of lacking certain emotions and we've seen that it can be an idol emotion for Riley without anyone to touch the console just given who is in Headquarters. Anything else she does is already given to Disgust so it feels odd they would be suprised by her contributions as well. Confusion, Awe, and Surprise I think are interesting variations, but most have already been expressed by Riley so although not exactly Fear/Joy, its how it is created. Hope is more a belief I would guess, maybe a belief created from a Joy memory! Hope this wasn't too long or rambling.

[@wendywei2881]

@@pokedash55 But I want Joy to have a more positive emotion friend, but that emotion can be annoying. And I feel my emotions spin into more complication as I grow up and I want them to show how your emotions and beliefs can spin into complication. I feel like mine do as an autistic person. New emotions create uncertainty and social disarray in the mind headquarters, when they introduce themselves. Unless one wants them to conflict with an object in the mind than another character? This is what I think I like Envy and Disgust as siblings, and Anxiety and Fear as siblings. Though having a twist with just Fear turning into an antagonist with new functions than introducing Anxiety would have been interesting. Though in my mind Anger would be the antagonist, I kind of want to see Anger as an antagonist it would probably be in someone else’s mind though.

[@wendywei2881]

Mental confusion.

[@wendywei2881]

You can also feel like you don’t want to do anything.

[@psycat_P57C4T]

I think we all feel anxiety very early. We are scared of unlikely things happening at young ages.

[@pokedash55]

@@psycat_P57C4T Yeah, same with boredom. Maybe the movie is saying that Riley, being a happy child, didn't really have those feelings yet but seeing the classroom scene I'm less inclined to believe that. Thanks for commenting!

[@bruno-ym4dm]

Very random... But i think that nostalgia can't crate memories, only project those that already exist, and and give the feeling of longing by touching the control panel...

[@thegamergrookey2268]

I know its your opinion, and i get it. But i believe that inside out 2 was very good at its story. I like to think of headquarters as a workplace (since it technically is). With the emotional mix, its like a job that requires two people, but then they hire someone who can do it on their own perfectly. Fear is a short term worry, while Anxiety is a long term worry, while Fear himself can be Anxious, he wasn't implementing it to Riley, Anxiety was literally Riley's Anxiety, meaning She would actually implement it to Riley. Disgusts version of sarcasm is more toxicity while Ennuis is more lack of care. Also someone else in the comments brought up the point that when you enter puberty the emotions are hightened, so it makes perfect sense for Anxiety, Embarrassment, Envy and Ennui to manafest into actual emotions in the movie. This is just my opinion tho

[@pokedash55]

@@thegamergrookey2268 Those are all nice thoughts and there are things I liked regarding the movies presentation, like the slow creep of anxiety in the sense of self or that Joy is still controlling even after accepting sadness. It has good ideas i feel it just didn't implement them very well. Check out the pinned comment for my full thoughts if you're interested. Thanks for commenting!! 😄

[@TheTrueBloxxer]

1. 0:10 That's guilt/regret 2. 0:22 Excitement 3. 0:26 Anxiety worries about Riley's big life and her personal status, whereas fear just worries about riley being y'know, ALIVE 4. 0:28 ._. what 5. 0:29 Ok 6. 0:39 Whilst I agree here, Nostalgia influences Riley's emotional state through words and thoughts and also impacts them, she doesn't act as a direct emotion, so you can say it was her that made the thought, just inside her little room 7. 0:46 Ok 8. 0:53 Same as 3 9. 1:04 Aaah yes, if joy feels an emotion, riley herself feels it. 10. 1:20 Ok yeah I agree 11. 1:22 "Ew, I wanna be a cool kid and walk alone" - Disgust 12. 1:28 You're telling me fear's on the button in this scene? 13. 1:46 Worried about being an easy target for bullies (-ish) 14. 1:58 Same as 13 (-ish) 15. 2:04 Not sure crying at school due to a hard time means nostalgia, ngl, and also 6 again 16. 2:16 It's called FEAR, of public speaking 17. 2:21 She fucked up at school, she's annoyed now. Also as someone who watched Inside out 2 to most of the movie, I don't remember ennui being sarcastic 18. 2:40 17 all over again 19. 3:00 You got a point there I'll admit 20. 3:05 Bad intentions, Calling her parents, "Hey Kid you wants some d***s?" And as I said, Fear worries about Riley not feeling pain/dying, whereas anxiety worries about riley's social status 21. 3:11 Fear: Oh no, what if we get grounded! (This will not affect riley's social status but mentally harm her) 22. 3:27 Detirmination (-ish) 23 3:36 SIX ALL AGAIN!!! 🔥🔥🔥🔥🗣🗣🗣🗣🗣🗣 24.4:17 Riley feels happy and sad, what could be called nostalgia, but.... SIX ALL AGAIN!!! 🔥🔥🔥🔥🗣🗣🗣🗣🗣🗣 (2.0) 25 4:36 Ok 26 4:57 Because the other emotions have already gotten enough character development, there is nothing left to do except make the same movie again, but adding new emotions that are more frequent than little oopsies during the seocond movie's focus, (puberty) is a smart idea, making it actually feel rewarding to know the original movie's plot and being rewarded with being allowed to see more emotions, and although if you think it's still lazy, sure, it's not mine, I still think for a supposedly "Bad" concept of a movie, they pulled it off very well to focus on it being bad for one reason alone. And plus, the new emotions kinda drive your head when your at that stage anyway. Feel free to give your opinion, I'd rather calmly debate than rage like a 5 yr old

[@pokedash55]

@@TheTrueBloxxer Thanks for commenting! Timestamping can take a while so it's cool you did that! I don't want to seem enraged either but I admit the video is very negative (it was a way to vent). With the timestamp points I addressed it all in my pinned comment so there's not too much to say there that I haven't already commented on. I am interested in the ending paragraph. Personally we haven't even begun to know these characters or how they work together as a group. We spend most of our time with them in a new and unfamiliar situation and then they are split up. I would have loved to see them evolve and change as Riley matures. Since they established the console going haywire after demo day I would have used that as the starting point for the emotions adapting and changing as Riley grows up, gaining new jobs and responsibilities that might force them at odds with eachother. I love team/team as family dynamics so it would have been better to me to focus on how Riley is now that she allows Sadness to contribute and is facing all these new challenges. I still believe new Emotions were superfluous and with how the first movie introduces and portrays the Emotions I doubt my view there can change. Thanks for the thorough comment!

[@waffle_enjoyer_]

Ennui represents boredom, sarcasm or just “bland responses” while disgust is also irritation and in the dining scene she was “disgusted” by her crying in school. While ennui is literal sarcasm as shown in inside out 2* Also when riley couldn’t feel anything on the bus, that was gloom

[@Yams-Hams7734]

I disagree with your point on number 9, because while Joy isn’t Riley the emotions are extensions of who Riley is, and later on Riley does admit that she misses Minnesota so that whole dream sequence could be read as Riley’s subconscious desire to return to easier times.

[@Yams-Hams7734]

Also, you missed the point of her crying in that scene. She’s crying because she’s remembering the things that she’s left behind, and this is the first time in the movie that she acknowledges what she’s given up in the move. She literally says “We used to play tag and stuff, but everything’s different now, since we moved.” So, she does in fact feel nostalgia or some variation of it, because she’s reminiscing on things in the past that she no longer has.

[@Yams-Hams7734]

Ennui was sarcastic in the second film. Remember the scene where Riley is with Val and the Firehawks and her friends come over wondering why she’s saying that she doesn’t like Get Up & Glow, when she does like that group. She says “I love get up and glow” in a sarcastic tone, and then the sarcasm appears. So yes, she was sarcastic, you seem to forget key details in both of the films.

[@skyootos7672]

Fact: everything that the new emotions do in the second movie was already done by one or more of the emotions in the first movie. My understanding was that now that Riley was an adolescent she needed more SPECIFIC emotions to deal with the troubles she would have. Anxiety even says something like this. But I don't completely see the logic. Besides, the only new emotion that was necessary for the plot was Anxiety, the others don't add a whole lot to the story and take screen time that could have been used to develop other stuff. I mean, Envy for example doesn't have one memorable line in the whole movie, Embarassment has one line, and Ennui is completely irrelevant. Nostalgia I see more as a gag than an actual emotion, lol. Even though they could have used Fear to cover what Anxiety does, I think he was already established as a side-character in the first movie and thus couldn't convincingly fill the role Anxiety has in the second movie, so as a storytelling device I accept having her as a separate emotion.

[@pokedash55]

@@skyootos7672 I am of a similar opinion. I dislike the inclusion of all the new emotions and it lessens the emotional complexity message of feeling many things at once. I have a love hate relationship with Anxiety. She is a good character and definitely acts differently than Fear, but essentially fills the same purpose from a base level. I do wish they acknowledged how linked the two are. If she needed Fear to make Riley afraid of her projections and kept him around then I'd be more willing to let her slide.

[@MrGreen-jx2kw]

I beg to differ; embarrassment helped out sadness big time, and ennui did help with some sarcasm when everyone was freaking out. Ennui also got their phone stolen which led to sadness controlling the console.

[@pokedash55]

@@MrGreen-jx2kw They can have short moments as characters and still be redundant and overall useless. It goes back to their core purpose. Emotions exist with a job and are introduced specifically in the opening of both films with that job in mind. They never state what that is for the puberty gang so they feel very much like gag characters than fleshed out ideas. Thanks for replying!

[@skyootos7672]

@@MrGreen-jx2kw yes but those are all things that contributed very little to the plot. In the sense that you could have easily removed or replaced those scenes and the movie would've been the same.

[@MrGreen-jx2kw]

@@skyootos7672 yes, but without embarrassment Riley would have been over anxiety, ennui’s, and envy and embarrassment’s control.

[@xiemphi]

I LITERALLY THOUGHT ABOUT ALL THESE SCENES WHEN I SAW THE NEW EMOTIONS

[@daniapfel2825]

Because you MISTAKE THEM !!!!!

[@Fernsaur]

I saw you write in a reply that the emotion characters are more of an abstract representation of what Riley is feeling than actual real sentient beings, so my argument is that during childhood, the "new" emotions simply weren't relevant enough, while in puberty they are way more important, which ends up making them manifest as characters. They "showing up out of nowhere" represents how only during puberty these emotions really feel like they take over.

[@pokedash55]

@@Fernsaur I suppose but then it runs into another issue about how the Emotions are created/formed. I doubt relevancy matters to whether or not the emotions manifest as full persons. That would mean emotions can actually just disappear and reapear based on circumstances which doesn't seem to be how the world functions with Joy surving the memory dump just fine. It's an interesting thought for when I rewatch the film, but i still wish they showed this change manifesting through the established group. I have some more about the Emotions in the pinned comment so check that out if you're interested! Thanks for reading the replys too those can get buried sometimes.

[@chandlerhyers2553]

Fear and anxiety aren’t the same. However anxiety operates from a place of fear. It’s not called a “fear attack”. You should consider studying child psychology, that’ll help you see the differences. Adult psychology can too.

[@pokedash55]

@@chandlerhyers2553 I understand there are differences. But for the purposes of the world it hinders the movie separating them. Anxiety triggers the fear response. Whether or not that fear is immediate or imaginary shouldn't matter. It's about their core roles in the movie not necessarily the minute psychology. I'm not trying to be rude and thanks for the comment! I do love psychology but the movie has already established lots of Anxiety's purpose already with Fear and to make a new character is saying/implying Riley was incapable of feeling it before, which we know to be canonically untrue.

[@aamirsohail8802]

@@pokedash55In the first movie, you can clearly see how fear never actually thinks of the realistic possible outcomes in the future and puts it into action, except for one time where he wrote all the problems that could’ve occurred on first day of school for Riley. Fear is mainly an emotion where it responds to a direct fearful situation. The problem with “all his bad outcomes” is that they’re not realistic at all. For example, he wrote “if a meteor crashes”. These thoughts are quite irrational and are hardly going to occur and the reason why fear is different from anxiety because anxiety thinks of realistic outcomes that can occur depending on the current action you make. Anxiety is living in the present and future, whereas fear develops a scary experience from the past and may burst out when you are in a scary ambiguous situation. For example phobias or specific fears like spiders or heights. Fear is primarily more protective and it figures out how to get out of a situation, whereas anxiety figures out how to deal with a situation so there is a huge difference. Additionally, the unrealistic thoughts fear comes up with on Riley’s first day of school is primarily situations that can cause distress and psychological harm whereas anxiety focuses on what is socially acceptable and she focuses on the “FEAR” of being left out and not fitting it with the majority and actively worries about the future like altering Riley’s personality and prioritising one thing over the other so Anxiety can cause imbalance whereas fear can’t. However, depending on situations, both fear and anxiety may be triggered at the same time or fear and sadness may be triggered at the same time. I think anxiety is a mixture of fear, sadness and envy. Therefore, anxiety has similar traits like these emotions but actually takes control unlike the others who are important for other situations.

[@pokedash55]

@@aamirsohail8802 Thank you for the long reply! That's a good way of thinking of the differences but I personally see it in the context of the lore provided as more of a distinction without a difference. Check the pinned comments for my full thoughts. I do like reading all the ways to read the movie and the Emotions. I would turn comments on the document but I fear that would get chaotic pretty fast ha ha.

[@alfredokalimah4087]

Maybe the feelings were born when she moved because it was so much to handle. And then tried for over a year to get up

[@pokedash55]

@@alfredokalimah4087 Thanks for commenting! There are issues with this interpretation so check out the pinned comment if you're interested.

[@thesnowmander1168]

1:15 Is litterally what i thought of too like wtf

[@graylee945]

Basically if you're a kid, emotions are straightforward. You cry when you're sad, you shout when you're angry, etc. But as a teenager, emotions become more complex. Emotions are intensified and can be finally be classified by the person. When you were a child, you didn't know you were EMBARRASSED, you only felt uncomfortable or felt the interaction was weird. You didn't know you felt nostalgic because it was a happy memory unless it was from 10 years ago or something. Okay you can argue that they DO know but their (a child) emotions back then is still as simple as it gets. This is probably why we learn how to get embarrassed as we grow older and not just say it felt sad or unpleasant.

[@pokedash55]

@@graylee945 I understand where this argument comes from, but applying this standard to the films world makes little sense. This says that Emotions gain personhood only with the humans awareness to them. Whether or not you're aware of the feeling doesn't matter to the Emotions as characters. Even if the child wouldn't classify the feeling with the exact words the Emotion would still need to exist in Headquarters to be expressed. That is an established rule that cannot be broken. Thanks for the comment! My full thoughts can be found in the pinned comment.

[@EnnuiMeansBoredom]

I thought I was the only one who noticed this now someone made a vid about it

[@pokedash55]

@@EnnuiMeansBoredom Thanks for commenting! That's one of the reasons I put it together. All the reviewers just skip right past it and don't mention the inconsistensies.

[@BowieSlayz]

Finally! Someone realizes that fear was doing what anxiety was doing already in Riley’s first day of school!

[@pokedash55]

@@BowieSlayz Thank you for the comment! I'm a huge Fear fan so I felt compelled to defend his honour.

[@daniapfel2825]

Goddang it ?! Fear and Anxiety are both differents

[@Sei_la-k4h]

In fact, the "new" emotions will happen even more after puberty, It's not that "they appeared at puberty".

[@weirdblooka9010]

I can see how this can come across as being lazy, but I feel like the fact that the new emotions can basically have their jobs be done by the main 5 emotions is the reason we don't see those extra 4 in other people's heads throughout both movies. Those extra 4(or I guess 5 including nostalgia) are needed when Riley needs to feel those emotions more immensly. In other words, the extra 4 step in when the main 5 can't convey that emotion as much as they need to if that makes sense. But still you make a good point, great video 👍

[@pokedash55]

@@weirdblooka9010 Thanks for the comment! I've seen this interpretation around but I find it goes against the narrative structure of the first. Definitely check out my pinned comment if you're interested, I have a section that goes into more detail about how and why I disagree with their introduction and inclusion.

[@malachiallen1517]

This is like Pixar's way of foreshadowing how Anakin is becoming Darth Vader

[@KittyTGQ]

And also the scene where Riley sees the cool group of girls. That would be Envy for sure.

[@weird_person7501]

Everyone gets anxious in their lives but anxiety in the 2nd movie is more like the anxiety you take medication for, not just anxious about your first day of school but anxious that if you don’t send in your paper on time you’ll be expelled for not getting work done on time and then it gets put on your permanent record so then you’re never able to get a nice job and you’ll have to choose between working at 7-11 or the Wendy’s in that sketchy part of town

[@pokedash55]

@@weird_person7501 That goes into several different debates about anxiety that I'm not prepared to speak about, but just talking Inside out Lore here mental disabilities or struggles are not emotions that should be personified. Riley was very much in a state of depression and despair in the first and no emotion spawned to cover it. Under this argument you would also have to justify a momentary surge of anxiety steming from an identifiable big life change as part of a larger anxiety disorder, which is something I can't see holding much weight. I think a greater Anxiety disorder would be shown through the entire mind and not just through the introduction of one character. Thanks for the comment!

[@ToastersGhost]

i think the difference is mostly anxiety is trying to prevent non-real problems

[@ForkyandAnyaFan2009RESOR-ep8cr]

This is just Inside Out foreshadowing their sequel lol😂😂😂😂

[@AAgTsKii]

i feel like its because during puberty these emotions are stronger that they need a personificated version because its too much work for the main 5 to control such a hard phase by fusing, etc, thats why riley's parents only have the main ones

[@pokedash55]

@@AAgTsKii Interesting theory, but there are some reasons it doesn't quite work either from the perspective of the metaphor or the literal world that has been introduced. I have more thoughts in the pinned comment so definitely check that out if interested. Thanks for the comment!

[@user-ks5bo9wf7i]

I have this theory that the new emotions in the sequel are just the main five but complex manifestations of them

[@4everinthe4d]

I take these movies as it’s the first time she’s experiencing all these emotions at full intensity. When you’re aging around like 10 it’s the first time you’re going through stuff since ur mind is developing. You are happy angry disgusted sad and fearful not just at simple things but more complex things. As she gets older she gets more complex emotions that intensify so new emotions that fit that narrative specifically come for that reason. Based off all that I’d say an adult all the emotions work together which creates the complexity of the different emotions she feels overall.

[@herm4phrodit3]

i think there were a lot of scenes where the emotions had to fill in some kind of role they couldnt fully fill in, and the new emotions just filled them up. for the end note the second movie has a beautiful message aswell. we arent only just good or bad people, we are multifaceted individuals and we need to realize that in order to build our self image further and not put ourselves in a box.

[@pokedash55]

@@herm4phrodit3 I do like the overall theme of the sequel. Showing "you control your emotions they dont control you" with the sense of self was a good idea. I think this part of the film could have totally existed with a different plot or at least removing the new characters. I have more about the emotions roles in the pinned comment. Thanks for commenting!

[@muffinchocolate6431]

Out of all emotions rules, what made me confused the most is disgust because yeah her emotion is to make riley disgusted to anything she thinks is dirty or poisonous but in inside out 2, she analyzes the look of her friend which is literally a suspicion emotion.

[@pokedash55]

@@muffinchocolate6431 Yeah Disgust was the last one added in the planning stages of the first film. It's not included on most known emotional psychology wheels and charts but i think they liked how she filled the missing vibe tjat rouds out the team. She is sass, repulsion, and sarcasm, which most of the others can't provide as naturally. In regards to the scene in 2, Disgust also seems to function as the main social behavior police, deciding what actions are suitable and appropriate. So if she can know these things for Riley's sake I suppose she can also analyze it in others. Thanks for commenting! Disgust has a very nuanced and more confusing role

[@kylesartprojects4209]

I'm not gonna get into the whole thing right now, but this video feels like it was done less out of a desire for discussion, and more out of spite. The general tone feels very bitter over people praising the movie in spite of these "fundamental misunderstandings". You can dislike the sequel, I'm not trying to change your mind, but there are parts here that feel a little too insulting towards the Pixar crew by accusing them of being lazy. I'm just saying, they consulted actual psychologists to develop the world for both movies, so I'm a bit more willing to believe their classification of what should and shouldn't count as a separate emotion.

[@pokedash55]

@@kylesartprojects4209 It was a little bit out of spite when making it at first since I am still confused how new Emotions got through the planning stages. I am disappointed that noone is giving this oversight the attention it deserves, since it is a fair critique to have. Editing it helped me mellow out and I enjoy debating the film. I don't doubt they are emotions that exist, just that with what's established and how the universe works they don't exist in this way. I say they have a fundamental misunderstanding of the emotions as Inside Out portrays them, not exactly as the are in real life. I say it's lazy because the core 5 work together and fusing them was such a strong ending only for it to be undermined by new characters, showing that they'd rather make the plot they want instead of expand Inside Out itself. It's the little things that make the movie feel insincere. Thanks for the comment! Sorry if i seemed too bitter and negative ^^

[@kylesartprojects4209]

@@pokedash55 No problem. I know you didn't mean anything bad about it. Just try to be a little more careful with your choice of words next time.

[@pokedash55]

@@kylesartprojects4209 I can add this to my mega document of clarifications I suppose haha. I can be pretty abrasive at first I admit😅

[@confusedlu8637]

I was thinking this when I saw the new emotions get revealed! In the first movie Fear covers a lot of the things Anxiety is supposed to cover. Also another thing I was thinking was,, boredom is a lack of stimulation. So I thought boredom was a state when no specific emotion is controlling? Sort of like an auto pilot??? But I can definitely see how Disgust is also filling her role. Also none of the adults in the first movie having the new emotions is a biiig retcon that I thought about a lot.

[@pokedash55]

@@confusedlu8637 Thanks for commenting! I also believe Ennui is more as a state of no emotion. It's apathy or a lack of passion, which is really how Riley felt when the Islands of Personality were down. Making any form of boredom is also silly because children say they are bored constantly. To have it introduced in puberty seems like such a random writing choice.

[@FashionedValues]

I like to imagine this as how when growing up emotions feel more complex Basically meaning how the main 5 emotions can be separated into many different types or counterparts

[@FashionedValues]

and the existence of nostalgia implies that there’s a lot more emotions just nesting somewhere in the mind waiting for a certain age to be directly brought up to headquarters (Somewhat implying they can control Riley somewhat)

[@FashionedValues]

I’m not saying anything in this video is wrong though it is pretty flawed

[@I_have_Claws]

I think the discussion between anxiety and fear should be described: Anxiety: Fear of the unknown Fear: A chilling anticipation of the known

[@pokedash55]

@@I_have_Claws Yes but with that definition you are still forced to use "fear" to describe anxiety. To me for the emotion to be core and essential it can't rely on another to be defined. It's instinctual and causes a unique physiological reaction. Thanks for commenting! My full thoughts are in the pinned comment ^^

[@That_Internet_User]

1:19 does anyone know how to spell meteor? - Fear

[@MagicSpectrum]

I don't think that's how emotions work in the Inside Out universe. I believe that it's only when those emotions manifest in Riley's mind that they start to have a stronger effect.

[@pokedash55]

@@MagicSpectrum Thanks for the comment! I'm not quite sure what this means though, maybe the wording is just confusing to me ha ha. I don't want to assume the argument but regardless I do have my full thoughts on the new Emotions and their introduction in the pinned comment if you're interested ^^

[@MagicSpectrum]

@@pokedash55 Just reread my comment. It is actually confusing looking at it. What I mean is what @unodostres said in the comments section about how Embarrassment, Boredom, Envy, and Anxiety are heightened when Riley started her teen years and thus are called to headquarters.

[@MagicSpectrum]

You know. I don't think I understand this enough.

[@pokedash55]

@@MagicSpectrum That's ok! There are tons of ways to look at and interpret Inside Out. No worries

[@tuska484]

Yeah that's exactly were my thoughts when i saw trailer for second part. I love second part coz in my opinion they handled it well with new topic but I'm curious how it could be if instead of anxiety we have fear. Probably they would handle it, but they created just new brand for second part, like look, new characters wow

[@tuska484]

Also some new conceptions in second part ruin the canon from first one. For example islands (family island, friendship etc.) and when girl chose another team instead her friends the island of friendship woud be damaged. But in second part conception of islands is useless because we have beliefs

[@pokedash55]

That's a great point. I was super offended seeing how they used Family Island as a joke in this. Riley would never hate her parents like that and becoming a teenager doesn't mean you suddenly dont care about your family. Honesty and Friendship Island should have been falling apart. Idk how Anxiety could have bypassed the Islands without removing core memories since Riley was so quick to accept stealing from the coach. That's why I think she's somewhat lazy and just made as a catch all. She breaks the lore simply because shes 'anxiety'.

[@tuska484]

​@@pokedash55 Yes, i had a feeling that this is another person, not Riley, like literally another person. The most hated part by me is when emotion were in a bottle and met her crush and cartoon. And this movie tries to convince that this is cartoon was her favourite in childhood... Also, disgust behaves girly girl, i like this energy, but why only she does adore Riley's crushes? She isn't love, or another emotion... Like joy, isn't it your job... But Joy behaves like "I don't know why Riley likes them"... And i think this is a missed opportunity, like, when you love someone you can feel angry, but your heart says another thing, it could be handle for example in an argument with joy and angry for example... I need to write fanfic hahah

[@pokedash55]

Exactly! They want to capitalize on the relatability of a Gen Z quirky teenager when Riley herself isn't that. She's a normie who likes Hockey. They also ignored every Island that was added at the end legit deleting them all. Why keep the fact she is good in school but then erase Science Island? Why mention off handedly that boyband island went down, but have her taste in music be brought up later? Riley never once seems interested in video games and anime. The ony hobby she does gain is READING. She's also a tomboy who loves to be outside (like Joy and Sadness discuss during the rain vs sunshine conversation). Joy feels too mean in this one i agree. She was frustrated last movie because it was a difficult time and she is desperately keeping sadness away. Here she doesn't act like she's connected to Riley? With the Sense of Self they can break the metaphor and remove Riley from her Emotions which is annoying. You dont become a different person whenever you turn 13.

[@yourlocalyoutubecommenter]

I think Anxiety is the emotional aspect of stress and not just applied fear. We see Fear also protects Riley from social dangers, as seen in the sequel's novelization and in the sequel where he prevents Riley from touching Val. The distinction that Anxiety protects Riley from things she can see and Fear protects her from things she can see is an oversimplification because remember this is a movie meant for all ages. Ennui may be technically more than boredom in psychology but in the movie it is defined as equivalent to boredom, which is distinctly unpleasant. I agree Nostalgia is unnecessary though as a mixture of Sadness and Joy. I hope she's just a gag.

[@KadenzJade6447]

I feel like the state Riley was in when boarding the bus was like different than regular Ennui/Boredom, I would say it's apathy, like the truly neutral/emotionless state rather than wishing you would be doing something else right now. (BTW this isn't criticism or a disagreement I just wanted to comment and point out)

[@yourlocalyoutubecommenter]

I do agree that Nostalgia is pretty unnecessary and that it's just an applied form of joy + sadness.

[@SonarTheBat]

Nostalgia was just thrown in for a one-off joke.

[@user-hp8sc7pc6m]

At 3:30 where you thought felt "ennui" aren't actually ennui but instead dissociation, dissociation is just the lack of feeling at all not boredom, that's the difference

[@SonarTheBat]

I believe it was an early stage of depression. Joy and sadness weren't present so she couldn't feel happy or express sadness.

[@sarahrodrigues4936]

I think another important thing to consider with Embarrassment is that in the first film when we see her feel embarrassed it’s in the context of her parents acting corny, while in the second film when Embarrassment is driving is in the context of extreme self awareness. I also believe the real reason these emotions show up in Riley’s head later is because they previously didn’t have a strong role to play. They existed but not at the point where they could have enough power to seriously influence her behavior yk.

[@sarahrodrigues4936]

And as for the core 5 controlling the adults, I think the others are on standby, only working the console if needed, because as you mature you can better manage those emotions.

[@pez_cucaracha]

I personally wouldn't consider the joy+sad memory as nostalgia, i think it's melancholy; which is generally described as a "joyful sadness" Besides, how is a kid imagining something (specially something childish and fun) related to anxiety at all?

[@joshuapellicia4672]

im pretty sure like a 14 year old made this and thought they ate

[@pokedash55]

Not exactly but thanks for the comment!

[@SonarTheBat]

Tbf, Disgust probably doesn't need to be there either since Fear could do her job. Disgust is basically the fear of being poisoned.

[@SM-ns9ru]

Obviously kids feel embarrassment and jealousy before the age of 13. The personas of the emotions haven’t always been present in HQ, but I’d venture to guess that they are still able to influence Riley in some way, just to a lesser degree. Especially as they seemed to have already existed before they appeared from that door (and the clearest example of this is Nostalgia, who continues to exist despite her swift exit). There will probably always be a way to ‘break’ these movies in that they can’t ever make full sense given the premise. Like, even when Riley was starting to feel really strange towards the end of IO1, reasonably speaking she must have also felt some moments of joy and sadness, despite the fact that neither emotion was in HQ. It’s an interesting movie to debate but given that the film attempts to depict fairly realistic humans using a completely unrealistic brain mechanism, there are bound to be inconsistencies.

[@pokedash55]

@@SM-ns9ru Yeah there are even some inconsistensies in the first but I think it does well following what rules it does establish. I find it hard to accept both how many Emotions they add and which Emotions they included. It feels random now who gets personified and who doesn't and thats not a good thing for the world. Having the main cast kept it functional and there's alot you can do with that but once you expand it now there is no reason there aren't 100s of guys walking about, especially considering how specific ones like Ennui and Embarrassment are. The pinned comment goes more into this as well if your interested! Thanks for commenting!!

[@SM-ns9ru]

@@pokedash55 I mean. I don’t really see your point because the whole premise of the world since IO1 is that the emotions are personified in a very simple way, with only 5 emotions being present out of 100s of other possibilities. As such, why should there be 100s of emotions appearing at a later stage in Riley’s life, rather than just 3 or 4 new ones? This was established in the first film, where only a small handful of new emotions join the mix throughout her early childhood. On a similar note in relation to your point about why only specific emotions were chosen; there were 100s of emotions that could have instead been chosen to appear in the first film too, but given that this is an animated kids film, they chose 5 very relatable ones in IO1. Similarly in IO2, they chose 4 specific emotions that are very relatable and that become more prevalent during teen years. Therefore I think the films are actually pretty consistent with world building. It’s a fairly contrived and unrealistic world at its core, but it’s been like that since IO1 and as far as I can see, the second film follows the rules that were set in he first. It just adds new ideas to the world. I feel like these criticisms apply to both films, and that’s only if you’re taking a fairly hardline real world perspective - but there’s no need to do that imo because these films aren’t meant to depict real life brain chemistry.

[@pokedash55]

@@SM-ns9ru They did not choose 5 relatable or random ones in the first film. It is rooted in psychological studies (most notably Robert Plutchick's wheel) and each one (other than Disgust I admit) is actually a core/basic human emotion that is unique in it's functioning. They aren't dedicated by greater processes of thought or social behaviors like the ones added. The core 5 are natural and instinctual to life, they are felt even if you don't understand or think about feeling them, even intelligent animals exhibit them. And they are shown to gain new responsibilities and have more than just their base Emotion from how the parents' minds behave. It's a criticism I'm not applying to the first because the first gets to make and follow its own rule. The rule it made is there are 5 Emotions and they emote while inside Headquarters. If they are not in Headquarters, the Island of Personality can take over depending on the colour. If those are both gone they cannot emote. The first can't receive this critique because it made the groundworks Simplicity of the concept doesn't matter as those are the 5 we have. Once you add another one so late into our main characters life (especially when they are highly specific feelings that are intertwined with deep beliefs and other advanced processes that could be delegated to other areas of the brain), when they have already felt those Emotions, it immediately fractures every rule which built the world and gave it structure, if that makes sense. I agree it'll always be a bit contrived and unrealistic to make a film about the human mind like this, but I think it's an unfair critique of Inside Out 1 given the research and detail put into the world. Adding new ideas is always good, but there is a limit. The obstacles and locations added were all good! Stream of Consciousness, Beliefs, Brainstorms, they all follow how locations are said to behave. This cannot be said for how Emotions behave, since they were already felt before they appeared and their mannerisms apply they have existed before hand which adds more confusion than needed. Any explanation I've seen for their behavior is not adding a new idea but changing how the idea functions Thanks for replying ^^

[@SM-ns9ru]

@@pokedash55 when I spoke about the emotions chosen for IO1, my point was not that they were chosen at ‘random’. My point was that they chose only 5 out of countless possible emotions. This is also true of the scenario in IO2 where only 4 out of countless other emotions appeared. Therefore, the groundwork had been set for there to only be a limited pool of emotions since the first film, and as shown in the first film, it’s acceptable for these emotions to increase very slowly over time. I don’t really buy the argument that the emotions in IO2 don’t make sense just because they aren’t ‘core’ like the ones in IO1. I’m not an expert in brain chemistry but I question whether that’s true in the first place, and even if that is true, I don’t see how that breaks any rules from the first film, because I don’t recall them establishing that all the emotions in a human’s mind have to be ‘core’ and independent from higher processes. It goes back to what I said in my first comment. Yes, it maybe doesn’t make a lot of sense that Riley is only just now gaining new emotions for things like embarrassment, I think anyone can agree with that. But as I pointed out, this is simply a concession you have to make given the premise of the franchise, and it’s been an ‘issue’ with the worldbuilding since the first film. Also, when I mention that the established world is ‘contrived’ or ‘nonsensical’ I don’t intend for that to be a criticism. I was highlighting that, from the beginning, the world created for this franchise is very unrealistic and cartoonish, and hence I don’t think it can measured against real life logic. I can understand measuring against the logic of the first film, but as highlighted in my points above, I honestly don’t think it contradicts the first film’s lore for the most part. Also you’re welcome, it’s an interesting discussion.

[@pokedash55]

@@SM-ns9ru I think the point lf concessions is where we differ. I accept the framework without scrutiny that they chose the 5 to exist and they don't really develop over time. To me it's a logical part of the world. They all were created especially young and early with a role and were shown to continue to exist as only those with the adults. To me the Teambuilding montage is not establishing that new Emotions can be created, but instead that the personified Emotions stagnat at a very young age. I'm measuring it against the logic of the first film, which had been heavily inspired by those psychological diagrams. I also dont fully trust them from a concrete scientific perspective but they are a good framework for how the concept was implemented. It's just not a concession I can make given how the first presents itself. The inclusion of more in the way they were introduced and without elaboration on why those specifically so late in her life is too jarring to me. I enjoy talking alot about films like this it's fun!

[@saifjassim6067]

4:57 I do agree but I want to say I think the emotions specifically the new ones are just offshoots of the core 5 that somtimes occur as a child but get equal power or revelance as a teenager to the other parts like eunui is disgust offshoot that become more reverent embarrassment of sadness nostalgia of joy anxiety of fear these are offshoots that become just as relevant as the rest of the core ones but another key thing u don’t get that is canonized in the first one u said. Imagine headquarters as her thoughts or a metaphor no it’s where emotions turn feeling into action but thoughts are just the train of thought from inside out 1 so yeah that explains it

[@pokedash55]

@@saifjassim6067 Thanks for commenting. I addressed all these points in the pinned comment if you're interested!

[@saifjassim6067]

@@pokedash55 alright

[@saifjassim6067]

@@pokedash55 but it’s not repeating ok so I saw it and the metaphor part of it being her thoughts is wrong since in inside out 1 we see a separate thing that is the train of thought that’s a thing you didn’t include but yeah it’s not repeating

[@pokedash55]

@@saifjassim6067 I'm confused on what this means. Could you reword it?

[@saifjassim6067]

@@pokedash55 so you said somthing like I believe headquarters is a metaphor for her thoughts but there is a place called the train of thought that means headquarters is just a place where emotions impact decisions or just make decisions so that metaphor you said is wrong due to there being a place called the train of thought

[@MrPillowStudios]

It's just sad how they didn't seem to do it right. They just forced 5 new unnecessary emotions.

[@pokedash55]

@@MrPillowStudios It feels very forced for sure. Thanks for commenting!

[@SonarTheBat]

4 actually. Anxiety was the antagonist causing the conflict of the second movie, so not really unnecessary. The others didn't do all that much for the plot though. That being said, they could've gone with the original idea for the first movie and made Fear the antagonist. Pretty much the same thing.

[@user-qm2gp7zy3b]

Are you kidding?! Ennui created a Sar-Cha that hindered the progress of the emotions getting to the back of the mind, Envy pressured Riley to sneak the Coach’s notebook, and Embarrassment willingly hid and helped Sadness go against Anxiety. Plus he also sent a positive projection to Riley to help her sleep.

[@Yams-Hams7734]

I said that same thing about nostalgia, and I remember I was looking through the comments in a video about Inside Out 2 and someone was saying she’s too young to feel nostalgic. I just facepalmed so hard because that’s literally the plot of the first movie. 🤦🏾‍♀️

[@pokedash55]

@@Yams-Hams7734 I read some of your other replys too and you make similar points as me! It's refreshing seeing some points of agreement I feel like I've been on the defensive alot ha ha. Thanks for the comments ^^ If you're interested check out the pinned comment I have compiled all the common debates I've had there.

[@SonarTheBat]

They were originally going to add shame and jealousy as well as a ton of other emotions but didn't want to clutter things up with too many characters and they weren't planning on making a sequel with new emotions.

[@PeeperSnail]

I think this whole video is just a bad take, honestly. There’s a lot of clips where it’s very reaching-at-straws and you fully admit to it on replies to other comments, which IMO should’ve been an indication to not use said points as they make your whole argument weaker. The new emotions in the sequel are social emotions. By their very nature it makes sense as to why they’re separate from the primary 5, as they have secondary functions that are geared towards healthy functioning in society (Embarrassment handles self-reflection, Envy self-improvement, Ennui self-control, etc.). The argument about how Fear is the exact same as Anxiety doesn’t really work, either. Fear is a primal survival response, hence why he’s one of the primary emotions and why all his catastrophizing revolves around injury or death. Anxiety, being one of the social emotions, catastrophizes about Riley’s future, not in terms of what will hurt her physically, but what will make her miserable and lonely.

[@pokedash55]

Thanks for the comment! I'm replying alot because I would rather make my full opinions known than defend the video outright. I made it to vent and didn't write the essays I wanted to, instead being more mean or comedic with it. I wasn't trying to reach at straws but rather include every possible moment to make a full picture. If you're interested I have already talked a lot about these points in the pinned comment (the Fear one specifically), asides from maybe the social aspect that one may be knew. I think the secondary emotions chosen are too specific for personification. Since they are more complex they don't seem like Emotions as a species. I defend only having the 5 because their simplicity can expand and cover the roles these new characters are meant to serve. The parents have their emotions all working together and it could be that greater forms of social behavior are developed away from Headquarters, like in Language Processing or Inductive Reasoning. With very specific Emotions added it asks the question of why those 5 and then the rules of the Emotions becomes arbitrary and baseless when it wasn't before.

[@SonarTheBat]

Sorry, but I like the sequel. I can see your point though. It is odd those new emotions show up as soon as Riley hits puberty. Very young children can get bored easily. Riley felt embarrassment and envy before those emotions showed up as characters. Anxiety is just a form of fear. Shame being one of the OG emotions would have made more sense than Embarrassment showing up at pubery since those old emotions are more general than specific, if that makes sense. Eg: Anger can range from mild annoyance to uncontrollable rage. Shame can be embarrassment or guilt.

[@user-pl2oc8mu8t]

1:30 I just think you got a bit confused with this part. notice how he doesnt press the console after coming up with all of these problems. if it was anxiety she would have submitted them already but for fear he only presses it when something bad does happen. like if there was quicksand she would be prepared then.

[@pokedash55]

@@user-pl2oc8mu8t I find that to be a distinction without a difference. Thanks for commenting! My full thoughts are in the pinned comment

[@16YearOldGamer]

Envy left the chat

[@deltamachine343]

I prefer Nostalgia being portrayed as Joy x Sadness than the character shown in the second movie. And I would say Ennui would be better as apathy rather than boredom, like that feeling that you are aware of something but you simply don't care. And well, I think Disgust was already a good portrayer of sarcasm tbh. I think of Anxiety as a physical extension of fear's worst characteristics. Embarrassment himself could be a separate emotion but it is truth that it could easily be a combo of disgust and fear. As for Envy, I think she can also be her own character although pretty unused. I loved the second movie, but it is true that it has its inconsistencies with the first one, which I say, is the best pixar movie so far 💛💙💜💚❤️🧡💗💙🤍

[@doirit]

3:25 this is not ennui, this is apatic or depressed

[@pokedash55]

@@doiritI know its depression I should have specified more in the video. I have more on Ennui in the pinned comment! Thanks for commenting ^^

[@KikiKilo]

Fear is to replace anxiety because anxiety isn’t a big problem during a child’s life before puberty. The only reason is because a person goes through hormonal changes. Therefore a child is currently just growing up before transitioning into a mature adult. These new emotions are just manifestations and severe duplicates the core emotions. They are only there to control riley’s adult mind.

[@saxton8257]

Ennui was too lazy to be in the first movie

[@pokedash55]

@@saxton8257 XD too true

[@franciscogonzaga4539]

The way I like to think if it, the memory orbs can be altered if they were to be touched by the new emotions. Like if Embarrassment were to touch the memory orb of the last scene it would turn to his color. Like Sadness did in the first movie with the Joy's orbs.

[@pokedash55]

@@franciscogonzaga4539 It's possible, but it's a huge point that the Emotions must be in Headquarters to inact their feelings at all. Definitely check out the link in the pinned comment for more about my main issues with the new emotions. Thanks for the comment!

[@purplefern6010]

Art

[@pokedash55]

@@purplefern6010 My masterpiece.

[@joven_wbu]

Bro almost all of this is literally wrong

[@pokedash55]

@@joven_wbu Sorry you feel that way! If you're interested, I elaborate more in the pinned comment! Thanks for commenting!

[@Zflameplayz]

😀😭😱🤢😡 😰🤩😳😒🥹 the emotions the order is joy,sadness,fear,disgust, anger, anxiety, envy, embarrassment, eunnui and nostalgia

[@insertenombreaqui7711]

Fear, unlike anxiety, fears things it can see, or rational dangers, which, although taken to the extreme, can actually protect Raily from real dangers, when fear touches the console, in for example a social environment, Raily becomes insecure. Anxiety, on the other hand, is not paranoid, nor does it fear real dangers, nor does it look after Raily's current safety, but rather, it has an idea of how things should be and observes results where they are not that way, which are catastrophic. She is more complex than fear because fear is only primitive fear. Raily isn't nostalgic for her old home, she actually misses it, and she's sad because she had to move. It wasn't like she remembers those times in a nice way, she actually just remembers them and they become sad because she won't be there anymore. If Raily has no emotion interaction, no thought island, then she's simply not feeling anything, it's not like she's apathetic or boring (Ennui) Raily additionally experiences emotional disconnection, literally, which is not the same as boredom. I have no clarifications regarding embarrassment. He's really unnecessary.

[@pokedash55]

@@insertenombreaqui7711 Thanks for the comment! There are differences and distinctions for them all for sure but I think they don't hold up when thinking about the established lore of the movie. I have my full thoughts in the pinned comment if you're interested!

[@insertenombreaqui7711]

@@pokedash55 You have very good points, but it still doesn't fit me that the first film is nostalgia, since he is not remembering his home but rather adapts to the change and accepts it and feels happy and sad, with his family. Also the fact that disgust and fear or sadness will never really give anxiety, since it is more complex than that, and there are differences, even, in the second film, fear does not agree with the actions of anxiety, because they actually perform different tasks, while anxiety is perfectionist and very energetic, fear tends to be insecure and cowardly. In fact this is reflected in real life, while anxiety breaks with who Raily is to fit in, fear flees from danger. Both are different because of how they run things inside the headquarters. Additionally, it's not like Raily hasn't felt bored, I'm sure she has, but the difference with Ennui is that Ennui is apathetic, lazy and cold. Raily only experiences emotional distancing in the first movie. Something like emptiness.

[@thebloise11]

You seem to be the type of person that judges a piece of media by internet reviews instead of actually seeing it

[@pokedash55]

@@thebloise11 I've seen it in theaters! I just didn't like it. Thanks for commenting °^

[@samppaax]

Okay FINE i get it its a big problem i now realise it but i honestly don't give shit the new emotions are fun and amazing characters and inside out 2 is the best animated movie ever in my opinion.

[@moonamoonz]

I prefer the first movie over the new one, it's way more emotional. On the second movie the only iconic moment was Riley's anxiety attack, i was almost sleeping through the rest of it. No new ideas were introduced, anxiety acts the same way joy did.

[@pokedash55]

@@moonamoonz Thanks for commenting! I felt about the same being honest. The pacing and narrative flow felt very off to me. I think the climax is the only time i really felt engaged. It's nice seeing a few people share this opinion, since all i heard going in and coming out of the show is that is was super good.

[@12duck123]

İ think since they can feel feelings too the new emotions are there to suport the main ones and also rileys is growing with her emotions so every emotion gets more serios and gets more dept

[@wendywei2881]

Though I really wanted Joy to adventure to the personality islands and new places, that might have added more creativity to the movie.

[@The-Maxter]

3:25 Isnt this more like Gloom? I still liked this video👍

[@pokedash55]

@@The-Maxter Yeah it's gloom! It's just despair and of the like usually have lots of overlap with Ennui and apathy so I included it 👍

[@macsmoments7006]

What about envyious

[@juanonawednesday]

fear honestly is anxiety..

[@leeduarduu6393]

Emoções novas evoluções das emoções antigas, fim do vídeo..

[@usergodknowswhat]

the nostalgia in this movie got me so fucked up

[@Flebster]

Envious isn’t in the title, but I saw it in the video

[@pokedash55]

Yeah It only happens once so I didn't end up adding it to the title ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[@Flebster]

@@pokedash55 Oh, I see

[@danno8438]

1:03 is normal on 0.25x

[@pokedash55]

@@danno8438 Yeah the clip was super long so I had to speed it up a bit. Thanks for the comment!

[@abelarmstrong8054]

@@pokedash55beautiful scene though

[@indorianshell]

I'm sorry if I missed it in the google doc file 🥲 But I just think that overall, the emotions were added in puberty to support Riley. This enhances my theory on why they're likely temporary. Riley's dad's Anxiety was also a hint of the emotions leaving head quarters over time. Sure, while Fear for example can be scared of the things he can and can't see, Anxiety is just there to help him out. Like a colleague. And once the emotions have matured enough, they're not needed anymore. Especially once Riley learns the true value and benefits of the so called "negative emotions". It's kinda superficial and theoretical but I'd say Riley's Sadness (for example again) does not serve the same purpose as her mother's. Riley's Sadness is just there to relieve pain (something that is VERY common at a young age), but her mom's sadness is a symbol of empathy. Hence why she's in the lead. The emotions need other colleagues to serve some *"sophisticated purpose"* they can't control yet. Because our main 5 emotions are still primary. Maybe that's why they've also told Nostalgia to stay away yet (she's both a negative and positive emotion, unlike most of our cast). And in your compilation, they're just serving those sophisticated purposes because maybe they instinctlt feel like that's what they're supposed to do. About Envy being more of a feeling than an emotion, I could agree on that though !

[@pokedash55]

@@indorianshell Yeah I do agree that they serve different roles depending on the person (like the sadness example). Like the Leader of each person is different and thats a cool part of the world building! From what I can tell this interpretation is seperating the puberty emotions from the core 5, giving them a different set of rules which I find to hinder the allegorical functions of the Emotions as a group. It's shown to be untrue that the core emotions need assistance however from the parents and the mixing of emotions; I think that's doing a small disservice to the established characters to imply (from the writers perspective not exactly yours) that they can't grow and develop due to their very nature. It suggests there's a limit to their ability to change because of their simplicity. I love psychology wheels and the core emotions are usually depicted as the center with all others sprouting from them. I think I kinda touched on this is in the document but I also dislike adding rules to one species of Emotion and not the other. With Nostalgia It's an issue of their expression and creation, as they are created to be expressed. To suggest that they are in the basement until needed goes against how we know Emotions behave. I forget where in the document but there are two separate "New Emotions did/not appear till Puberty" section. If you read through it all thank you for that! I enjoyed writing it so I like hearing peoples thoughts.

[@Catrix_ML]

"Pixar make a mistake🤡" ahh button 👇