Inside Saurabh's Brain | Saurabh Mukherjea | Marcellus Investment Managers | TSKS #28

Saurabh Mukherjea runs Marcellus Investment Managers, which manages over a billion dollars of over 9000 families. Listen to him talk about all things investing
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[@CharlieChaplinVideos]

Everyone goes through underperformance, I’m still learning a lot from Saurabh Mukherjea. I also watch every interview.

[@senseikujaku]

Thanks for watching, hope you found the conversation useful and different

[@CharlieChaplinVideos]

@@senseikujaku 100%

[@senseikujaku]

Great to hear. Do check out our other podcast episodes, you will enjoy them as well!

[@gouthamkondapavuluru1959]

Under performance can happen in any actively managed fund but if you see his old videos he made big claims like his funds can make 10x in 10 years. That kind of claims I guess are bad and misleading. A genuine fund manager will only say that he will try to beat the index. That said I like the insights he add in his videos

[@ravib4299]

My sympathies!

[@sahil_Sharma007]

Because of saurabh sir i missed PSU banks, PSU defence stocks utility stocks like adani power and waaree renewables and ofcourse Zomato. Thank you saurabh sir because of your book coffee can i had bought asian paints, HDFC Bank, pidilite and what not, that too at HIGH PE. 🤦

[@senseikujaku]

Thanks for watching, good luck on your future investing journey!

[@hansgupta9944]

couldn't agree more,...earlier I used to watch him regularly but since last 7 months I have stopped watching his videos

[@sahil_Sharma007]

@@hansgupta9944 same here, saurabh sir is super intelligent i have learned a lot from him but one should not go buying based on his views, his agenda is different, he is a salesman for his PMS, telling stories for bigger AUM.

[@nosferatu15]

He exists in silence and after making position in stocks he promotes on every platform. Just a good story teller

[@sg042]

No business is good or bad for investing, it all boils down to valuation. Saurabh Mukhejea type people make generalised statement that only buy quality stocks and don't go for cheap, is the wrong strategy. Yeah, Bajaj Finance , Pidlite stocks should deserve higher pe ratios, but one should enter when it has reasonable valuation like 30 PE. For non growing business you can enter at 7-8 PE. Remember, 7-8 PE stocks even without any growth in sales will increase the book value of stock by 12-14% every year. You can expect similar return from the stock. He fails to understand that everything is cyclic in stock market, sectors are cyclic, even strategies are cyclic before 2020 Saurabh mukherjea growth strategy quality stocks used to grow now value investing is working. Even though one can never predict the cycle, but it's always safer to exit and enter into those sectors/stocks that haven't given run up and their valuation became reasonable. Now, when stocks like irfc, ireda, uco bank etc. are trading at premium valuation then so called quality and growth companies, it's high chances that now its time for Saurabh Mukherjea stocks. It's worst time to get into fomo and enter into low quality stocks as they are not cheaper anymore.

[@Middleclassbeta]

For all the flak that Saurabh gets, he should be credited for bringing or making equities reachable to a large Indian population through his story telling abilities. 1. He has picked up the right examples that suit the Indian mindset of risk aversion. He constantly mentioned in the past that the portfolio is like Rahul Dravid who doesn't take unwarranted risk and in the long term makes the runs even though slowly. 2. He has given a lot of people confidence that equities is a safer instrument in the longer term and one can invest in large brands which will not die in the longer term and one will make money and not lose it 3. He has worked really hard in the past 3-4 years to increase his social media presence (he has been on every youtube finance channel there is )and has written books that have great stories. He is a great story teller and knows the Indian audience pretty well 4. People have to remember that Saurabh is not running a charity operation, he makes most of his money from management fees from his PMS, so the longer term investing narrative suits him (the firm makes money no matter how the portfolio does and if the portfolio does good he makes money on that too(performance fee)). I think history will remember him for making equities a formidable option for the risk averse Indian population (him and Rajeev Thakkar from PPFAS).

[@senseikujaku]

Thanks for your detailed comment. Hope you liked the conversation. Do check out our other podcast episodes as well. Good luck on your investing journey!

[@sg042]

Ek hi to kaam karna hai bande ko wo bhi nahi kar pa raha hai, and you are justifying that. Aise to long term me saari strategy 12% return de degi, but kab value kharidna hai kab quality, isse hi to outperformance aayega.

[@senseikujaku]

Thanks for watching and commenting!

[@anilanilsarin]

Interesting arguments. Always a pleasure to hear Saurabh. Hope his PMS does better as the error of ignoring valuations washes through and underlying growth reflects itself in rising prices.

[@senseikujaku]

Glad you enjoyed the conversation Anil bhai! Thanks for watching!

[@kpdwivedi1672]

Best run companies are going no where ie hdfc bank, asian paints, gmm pfaudler, garware tech fiber, relaxo, ....... Inspite of this I still enjoy his logical mind and honesty of purpose.

[@senseikujaku]

Thanks for watching and commenting!

[@AbhayShirole]

This is a great interview! Well done team 😊

[@senseikujaku]

Thank you, Abhay glad you liked the podcast. Check out our episodes, you will like them as well! Thanks for watching

[@HarshDesai_]

Great conversation as always!

[@senseikujaku]

Thank you for commenting and watching! Check out our other podcast episodes, you will enjoy them as well!

[@aruncr5446]

Try to bring in Kenneth Andrade. He can explain a lot on capex. This video was interesting.

[@senseikujaku]

Thanks for the suggestion will definitely try and get him on the podcast. Keep the suggestions coming!

[@vivekshivdasani9521]

Kenneth has lousy taste in art. The paintings in his office are an eyesore. @@senseikujaku

[@subirnath4229]

Me too

[@EpicLessonsChannel]

Insightful podcast. enjoyed the diffrent q's from what everyone asks saurabh

[@senseikujaku]

Thanks for watching! Do check out our other podcast episodes on the channel as well

[@business4u55]

yes very good questions

[@shubhamalaviya9044]

Great podcast. I also started my investment journey after listening to Saurabh. I am grateful for his discussions. It is because of them I started investing in RG portfolio, I am not really losing money. Don't know how are people losing so much money?

[@senseikujaku]

Thanks for watching and commenting! Good luck on your investing journey!

[@ravib4299]

Great....the video suggests that someone finally found Saurabhs brain! And once found, should be easy to get in, given the vacant space! :-)

[@senseikujaku]

Thanks for watching. Hope you found something of value in the conversation. Good luck on your investing journey!

[@cricketgiantfan]

Great

[@senseikujaku]

Glad you enjoyed the podcast!

[@ARV8800]

Great podcast

[@senseikujaku]

Thanks for watching! Please see our other videos, you will like them as well!

[@meetnagshetia8810]

Great podcast. Where can I find Titan explained video?

[@senseikujaku]

Thanks for watching, glad you enjoyed the conversation! The podcast is called business breakdowns. Good luck on your investing journey!

[@templogical3095]

Good interview

[@senseikujaku]

Thank you for saying so, appreciate it. Glad you liked the video!

[@shubhankardaas7309]

Strange Saurabhs rationale working against his predictions 😊

[@senseikujaku]

Thanks for watching!

[@awenindo]

I'd like to appreciate Sourabh on his point on transparency. Even though Marcellus gets hate because their portfolio hasn't done well in the recent past; I (and I suspect many) really only started investing in stocks because of the transparent manner in which Marcellus used to talk about their stocks. I only started understanding ratios and charts because they used to refer to it in relation to what they held and why. Until then, I was mostly susceptible to finfluencer rhetoric. Thank you for this.

[@senseikujaku]

Thanks for your comment and thank you for watching!

[@ravib4299]

You are learning from someone who has consistently underperformed! Nuts!

[@awenindo]

@@ravib4299 not really; but you have to start somewhere.

[@sg042]

​@@ravib4299 Isse kya sikhte hai log, ek hi to kaam karna hai usko market to outperform wo bhi nahi kar pa raha hai. Ab long term mai 12% bana bhi lega to kya matlab, kounsi cycle mai kounse stock kharidna hai yahi to game hai.

[@prakashmajumdar8810]

Learn from his chart is good, don’t follow his style, your return will be lower than FD.

[@sg042]

Quality stock is quality for investor only when it doesn't look quality to everyone. Once it looks good to everyone, then its valuation will automatically adjust to that, and only way you will make money by buying at high valuation if it grows even faster than everyone expectation, which is unlikely.

[@senseikujaku]

Thanks for commenting. Hope you enjoyed the conversation!

[@AbhisekBasuMullickঅভিষেক]

HDFC bank and HUL type of his favorite franchises have already reached their potential. So they will grow maximum 8-10% per year.

[@senseikujaku]

Thanks for watching!

[@vivekshivdasani9521]

Just like Saurabh is a big Dhoni fan, I am a big Saurabh fan.

[@AS-mc8sl]

Sure, be his fan if you want. But don't do what he says if you want to preserve your wealth....

[@senseikujaku]

I hope you found this conversation different from many of his others interviews/podcasts. Thanks for watching!

[@sg042]

No business is good or bad for investing, it all boils down to valuation. Saurabh Mukhejea type people make generalised statement that only buy quality stocks and don't go for cheap, is the wrong strategy. Yeah, Bajaj Finance , Pidlite stocks should deserve higher pe ratios, but one should enter when it has reasonable valuation like 30 PE. For non growing business you can enter at 7-8 PE. Remember, 7-8 PE stocks even without any growth in sales will increase the book value of stock by 12-14% every year. You can expect similar return from the stock. He fails to understand that everything is cyclic in stock market, sectors are cyclic, even strategies are cyclic before 2020 Saurabh mukherjea growth strategy quality stocks used to grow now value investing is working. Even though one can never predict the cycle, but it's always safer to exit and enter into those sectors/stocks that haven't given run up and their valuation became reasonable. Now, when stocks like irfc, ireda, uco bank etc. are trading at premium valuation then so called quality and growth companies, it's high chances that now its time for Saurabh Mukherjea stocks. It's worst time to get into fomo and enter into low quality stocks as they are not cheaper anymore.

[@sg042]

Kaiso kaiso ke fan ban jate ho, jo nifty bhi beat nahi kar sakta uske to mat bano.

[@nonexistent229]

What happend to his Relaxo...

[@senseikujaku]

do you think it is wrong that he changed his mind?

[@Samsung-rc3ju]

Saurabh sir is not coming in shows now a days.... do wait a lot for his videos.

[@senseikujaku]

Hope you found the conversation useful. Thanks for watching!

[@abhishekbhattacharya460]

He was my guru and will be..no matter about the underperformance ..but one day he will outperform mark my words.those who are here to tell each time outperformamnce..you should do trading.I am getting very less return by listening to him but I have trust on my company and i am not loosing my sleep either

[@senseikujaku]

Thanks for watching and commenting. Hope you found the podcast useful!

[@abhishekbhattacharya460]

@@senseikujaku yes bro,but you should grind him but more regarding other stocks of his portfolio.it was a great podcast but host should not be awe of him...we can be.😜

[@gouthamkondapavuluru1959]

Under performance can happen in any actively managed fund but if you see his old videos he made big claims like his funds can make 10x in 10 years. That kind of claims I guess are bad and misleading. A genuine fund manager will only say that he will try to beat the index. That said I like the insights he add in his videos

[@senseikujaku]

Could you point me to where he made the 10x return claim for his fund? Thanks for watching!

[@gouthamkondapavuluru1959]

@@senseikujaku Difficult to search but he made that claim

[@Nirmal..Pandey]

Just go to their official channel & watch the oldest videos, they have made this claim in almost all of them.

[@sg042]

An arrogant person, can never outperform the market. To outperform you always have to be updated and be humble enough to accept the mistake and change strategy.

[@venkatakrishnanjayaraman5410]

Well don’t forget he is human, he is a business man, whenever he speaks the priority will be his PMS and my colleague who has put money in his pms is not happy as his MF portfolio has been performing better than his expensive PMS.

[@senseikujaku]

Thanks for watching!

[@Deepak-xh9vb]

I am watching saurabh after 2 years. He has done so much researches in Indian share market for sure. But... But this market is like... Only guys who can manage funds doing all the jiggery -biggery will be able to generate enough CAGR to its customers... Which, end of the day matters the most. Everything else is secondary.

[@senseikujaku]

Thanks for watching! Which funds do you think will do well going ahead?

[@AS-mc8sl]

"inside saurabh's brain" - i admire your ability in creating an hour long content exploring the inside of something that's totally empty😂 You may want to explore a career in Bollywood script writing😂😂

[@senseikujaku]

Despite your comment I hope you found some value in what we discussed. Thanks for watching!

[@arnabbhattacharya6579]

​@@senseikujaku don't get demoralized by the nihilistic public, I have followed SM from 2014 and added Quality shares as per his approach. Had some decent returns. But he's become a opportunistic salesman in past 2 yrs. This is the thing I don't like.

[@sg042]

@@arnabbhattacharya6579 No business is good or bad for investing, it all boils down to valuation. Saurabh Mukhejea type people make generalised statement that only buy quality stocks and don't go for cheap, is the wrong strategy. Yeah, Bajaj Finance , Pidlite stocks should deserve higher pe ratios, but one should enter when it has reasonable valuation like 30 PE. For non growing business you can enter at 7-8 PE. Remember, 7-8 PE stocks even without any growth in sales will increase the book value of stock by 12-14% every year. You can expect similar return from the stock. He fails to understand that everything is cyclic in stock market, sectors are cyclic, even strategies are cyclic before 2020 Saurabh mukherjea growth strategy quality stocks used to grow now value investing is working. Even though one can never predict the cycle, but it's always safer to exit and enter into those sectors/stocks that haven't given run up and their valuation became reasonable. Now, when stocks like irfc, ireda, uco bank etc. are trading at premium valuation then so called quality and growth companies, it's high chances that now its time for Saurabh Mukherjea stocks. It's worst time to get into fomo and enter into low quality stocks as they are not cheaper anymore.

[@sg042]

@@arnabbhattacharya6579 Arrey bhai, jo strategy pahle work ki thi why would it work again. World has changed, India is changing and so are the valuations. After 2003 infra spending reduced drastically because of congress, and therefore only fmcg stocks were performing now Modi is focussing much more on infrastructure. Isn't it obvious that infrastructure related stocks will perform better.

[@gautamwadhwani306]

Saurabh made investing look like a physics experiment where it would follow the laws exactly how they are laid out. Investing and stock picking is not easy. What worked in the past (consistent compounder) need not work in the future. Lastly, you don’t need Saurabh if you want to invest in HDFC Bank and Asian Paints - these are well discovered stocks and are a part of everyone’s portfolio

[@senseikujaku]

Is there anything he said in the conversation that you agree with? What did you think about his views on large vs small banks or his explanation for whats working at companies like Zudio for instance?

[@sg042]

Quality stock is quality for investor only when it doesn't look quality to everyone. Once it looks good to everyone, then its valuation will automatically adjust to that, and only way you will make money by buying at high valuation if it grows even faster than everyone expectation, which is unlikely.

[@padmaragini6695]

Now he has come to 8000 clients from 10000……

[@senseikujaku]

Thanks for watching!

[@kumarvarun6421]

Why dose saurabh switch off comment section on his own channel (to escape hate comment).

[@senseikujaku]

Thanks for watching! Hope you liked the conversation

[@user-cg1pj7xi9y]

Saurabh is eating crow. Now he is talking about good valuation!!!

[@senseikujaku]

Thanks for watching!

[@sg042]

And that's why now is the best time to enter into quality and ignore low quality cheaply valued stocks.

[@sushilsharma5577]

Coffee can and many other portfolio not even beating fd interest…pure bol bacchan

[@senseikujaku]

Thanks for watching! Hope you liked the conversation. Do you think they will outperform in the future?

[@sandipghosh9326]

What is your return?

[@anilpanicker151]

Pehle aap 😂 ​@@sandipghosh9326

[@sushilsharma5577]

@@sandipghosh9326 my return is index return..but at least i have not taken money from people and did pure bold bacchan. Pls read winning the losers game by charles ellis. Small article available. Have been listening to saurabh from long time. I like him but returns too low

[@AS-mc8sl]

​​@@senseikujakudo you think you'll see porcine aviation in future 😂

[@ar9abn]

Bring people who have actually made money for his investors , this man is full of contradiction just watch interviews of him 2years earlier, valuations doesn't matter , p/e is nothing , hospitals are bad , in india there is only 20-30 companies worth investing...and now doing everything opposite buying hospitals, talking about valuations, increasing no. Of stocks in his fund . He needs to learn investing, don't promote such halfwits who just talks shit with confidence.

[@ar9abn]

Bring Samit Vartak , Arvind Kothari , Kenneth andrade , Jeevan Patwa , Ishmohit Arora , Sajal Kapoor

[@senseikujaku]

I ask him about changing his mind after making public statements. I encourage you to listen to his response. I hope you found something of value in the conversation. Thanks for watching!

[@senseikujaku]

Thanks for the suggestions. If you know any of them please help me bring them on, happy to get different investors with different styles on the podcast.

[@nonexistent229]

Vijay kedia

[@senseikujaku]

@@nonexistent229 what do you like about Vijay Kedia?

[@RaviRajPophale_ravi]

He fooled retailer by telling Paushak ltd (very small company only listed on bse) on TV show...

[@senseikujaku]

Thanks for watching!

[@deveshmaheshwari6598]

Why put money in PMS for 16 per cent CAGR ? Even MFs have done better than his CCP or any other schemes .

[@senseikujaku]

Thanks for watching!

[@indranimukherjee4953]

Just do one thing. Don't buy the shares where Saurabh has invested or recommended. Your portfolio will increase for sure if you just follow the trick blindly.

[@senseikujaku]

What should investors buy then?

[@cityofjoy8830]

Hopeless gyani .. 🩴

[@senseikujaku]

Thanks for watching!

[@prakashmajumdar8810]

He is a waste as investor. Knows nothing and loosing investor money.

[@senseikujaku]

Thanks for watching. Good luck on your investing journey!

[@Nirmal..Pandey]

Why does he always exaggerate things so much?? All his Marcellus Schemes haven't been able to beat benchmarks in any time frames for last 5-6 years. He exaggerates things to the extent that people asking for Dhoni's retirement for not 4-5 years but 10 years, come on man 😂 A Pure Story-Teller, used to promise 10X in 10 Years kind of things & ended up underperforming Indexes. Bring better guests man..

[@senseikujaku]

Could you point me to where he made the 10x in 10 years promise? was he promising investors that he would give 10x returns in 10 years? Also who do you consider a better guest?

[@Nirmal..Pandey]

Bring in fund managers who have some Performance to show and who normally under-promise & over-deliver; like Sunil Singhania, Samir Arora, Amit Jeswani, Vikas Khemani, Samit Vartak..

[@Nirmal..Pandey]

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[@senseikujaku]

​@@Nirmal..Pandeyyou can see our episodes with Samir Arora and Dinshaw Irani of Helios. They are available on our channel

[@Nirmal..Pandey]

@@senseikujaku Saw both episodes, loved then.. If possible, bring Amit Jeswani or Sunil Singhania next. Thanks

[@riturajkundu210]

Better to donate money than to listen to him,,he misguided people largely..

[@senseikujaku]

Thanks for watching. Good luck on your investing journey.

[@srinivasraman40]

Bc

[@srinivasraman40]

Kundi saala

[@TV-pt5fw]

Conversation me kuch naya nahi hai, har jagah saurabh apne poor performance ko idhar udhar se justify karte hai , inhone apne rising giants portfolio ka nam hi nahi liya.

[@senseikujaku]

Thanks for watching

[@user-jd7gi3kl8i]

Help the next day Sourav to achieve more coz you will gonna do well

[@senseikujaku]

Thanks for watching and commenting!

[@Mumbaiwestbengal96]

What happened to V Mart by the way

[@senseikujaku]

Thanks for watching!

[@omgomg3002]

Instead of mumbo jumbo Mr Saurabh Mukherjee, please bring Basant Maheshwari.

[@senseikujaku]

Thanks for watching. What do you like about Basant Maheshwari?

[@omgomg3002]

He is not a person who sbows tge path to a garden, but gives realistic and acceltable invesying values. Hope you keep my requeat sir.​@@senseikujaku

[@senseikujaku]

Will try!

[@rrvasanth2007]

HDFC Bank is like a mosquito which has drunk too much blood...not able to fly

[@senseikujaku]

Do you think it will ever fly again?

[@rrvasanth2007]

@@senseikujaku It would underperform Banknifty i think

[@senseikujaku]

@@rrvasanth2007 any specific reason?

[@rrvasanth2007]

@@senseikujaku Merger has a big overhang on the growth....it has become huge Bank....so the base is huge for it to show high growth

[@senseikujaku]

@@rrvasanth2007 what do you think is the largest market share a single bank can realistically have in India?

[@marketwatch03]

Flopped agent

[@senseikujaku]

Thanks for watching!