Inside the Chieftain's Hatch: T-13

[@c1ph3rpunk]

5mm armor: “what is this designed to stop?” Light German insults.

[@ph5832]

No armor; best armor

[@TOFMDrone]

a 10mm bratwurst

[@ivanmonahhov2314]

Fragments and rifle rounds from range

[@chuck2998]

Incoming fire (indirect only) Not really armor, more like amr

[@kmoecub]

The best armor is not being seen.

[@GR46404]

That Belgian guy really knows his stuff, and speaks English well. That museum is lucky to have him.

[@morl1]

8:00 lmao sure dude

[@klondike69none85]

@@morl1 you can't even speak one language, maybe you should sit this one out sport

[@mootpointjones8488]

In my experience, whether you're in Wallonia or Vlaanderen many, many will speak excellent English.

[@BĹİŤŻżẒ̌88]

His English is rather average to our standard. Of course Dutch and French are his main languages, which makes his English more than decent enough.

[@klondike69none85]

@@BĹİŤŻżẒ̌88 Flemish not Dutch

[@Wastelandman7000]

To be serious, if you're a small country you use what you have, can get, or can make. This buggy fits all three categories.

[@rdfox76]

That honestly looks like a very well thought-out little TD. Not perfect, but it's clear that a lot of effort went into trying to make the best little ambush predator they could. I sure wouldn't want to stumble across one in 1940!

[@kilianortmann9979]

AFAIK the Belgian BARs were chambered in 7.65×53mm, Mauser's first smokeless rifle cartridge.

[@GR46404]

Yes. It was remarkably similar to the later 7.65x51mm NATO, better known as .308 in the United States. Argentina used 7.65x53mm too, and I think the Turks had rifles in it too, but had to drop it in favor of 8mm Mauser during WWI.

[@Zorglub1966]

@@kilianortmann9979 Sorry i messed up, you're right.

[@_ArsNova]

I own an Argentine Mauser in 7.65x53. It feels basically identical to 7.92 Mauser if I'm being honest.

[@BlackHawkBallistic]

​@@GR46404 you mean 7.62x51mm for NATO

[@GR46404]

@@BlackHawkBallistic Yes I do, BlackHawkBallistic! Thank you for the correction. I think I will leave my post unedited so yours will make sense.

[@ChrisBrown-iu8ii]

Ya know Chieftan, if you were to do a walkaround of that museum. I would not complain....

[@michaelscaplis]

The Austrians initially wanted to sell it for 3Mio Belgian Franks but after a press campaign by veterans in Belgium, an agreement was made with Austria and the vehicle was donated. It was airlifted by a Belgian Air Force C130.

[@flitsertheo]

Those nazty Austrians, stealing our vehicle and then claiming money for it.

[@robbyhouben7995]

That's right! Except the vehicle was traded, not donated.

[@pczTV]

What a dick move by Austria. In the end, they settled for a trade…. Which is STILL insult to injury.

[@michaelpielorz9283]

ducks behind the 5mm front plate :can youstill see me ? Now that´s what I call armour!!

[@Djamonja]

It was way ahead of its time, it already has the anti-drone armor on the top ;)

[@MM22966]

A weapon to surpass Bob Semple.....

[@dreenarmookington2240]

Duel of the Fates

[@FeatheredDino]

Blasphemy in the church of Semple! Shun the blasphemer!

[@M4D0GG0]

A weapon to surpass metal gear

[@jon9021]

@@FeatheredDinohahahaha!

[@IntrospectorGeneral]

In fairness to Bob, his idea was to use his tank like mobile pillboxes against infantry at the time of an invasion of NZ, in the same way as the British developed a range of wacky airfield defence vehicles against paratroop attack.

[@samholdsworth420]

Your channel is one of the reasons why I stick around KZbin. Cheers! 🥂

Fascinating Video and great Vehicle. I visited the Museum as a littel boy and the grand aviation Hall blew me away. Still remember that day well

[@Gravity_studioss]

You got a hilarious username and Profile picture

@@Gravity_studioss thank you very much

[@Fupaforlife]

That museum area is amazing. It’s absolutely beautiful.

[@TBreezy17]

Very cool that it’s preserved.

[@yt.602]

It is a nice museum, I worked in Brussels 2016-18 and visited it often, they have loads to see,. As Nicholas said it's in a really nice building at the top of a substantial park. Well worth a visit.

[@Wastelandman7000]

Darn, we'll never know if The Chieftain fits inside a T-13! Oh well, at least we have track tension! LOL

[@guidor.4161]

I haven't been in the museum for years, so i have to go there soon!

[@guidor.4161]

@@annadalassena5460 Definitely, i hate those new-fangled active-experience type museums with hardly any real stuff in them.

[@viandengalacticspaceyards5135]

For all of you interested in the workings of the carrier, 'Lottie the Tankwhisperer" just now is making a series on restoring two of them. Quite funny girl, but very,very good & detailed explanations.

[@neilwilson5785]

Fascinating video. I love these obscure vehicles.

[@emergingloki]

Something I've always wondered is why more vehicles designed to 'shoot and scoot' didn't have rear facing guns, much better for the 'scoot' bit than forward facing.

[@GR46404]

I can't think of any others besides the Valentine Archer. And maybe the US M6 37mm GMC. Maybe getting a good view to the rear was tough? It would have been a good idea for the US M3 75mm GMC, I think.

[@Zorglub1966]

@@GR46404in 1940 the French built in emergency the Laffly W15 TCC armed with a 47mm m1937 firing rearward.

[@diedampfbrasse98]

the answer why those rearfacing solutions were rare lies in the fact that you need considerable free space behind and on both sides of the usually larger guns of SPGs (for crew, ammo and gun traverse). Most platforms only offered enough free space/only allowed a change of space in the very center and towards the back as the front had complex/heavier armor arrangments, a heavy gearbox setup and a fixed driver positions which would conflict with the guns traverse/operation. Very few existing platforms would have allowed for an easy conversion into a rear facing layout and noone really wanted to pay/wait for a new platform development just to get selfpropelled guns into production. And ofc not long into the war protection also gained importance and platforms stopped being equally protected all around, so for an SPG it wouldnt made much sense to add armor/gunshields to the back when your platform already had its best protection on the front.

[@СузаннаСергеевна]

S-tank famously solved this by having a second, rear-facing driver.

[@justforever96]

Mostly because that's all you can do with it. It's a lot harder to do things like fire and advance, and your heaviest armor is on the rear. And it's it really all that much of an advantage in the real world? Especially when most tracked vehicles can just about turn around in their own length. They definitely talked about it a fair bit and tried it a few times. And then not long after, they stopped producing gun armed assault guns and TD, so no one has any reason to build one now.

[@jannearo328]

„Oh, was für ein süßer kleiner Panzerwagen.“ „Halt die Klappe, Karl!“

[@gromit3315]

The Germans copied the design of this armoured vehicle to make their own mini tank: the Wiesel 😊

[@hairsquig8079]

Been waiting for this for so long!

[@jimmylight4866]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@ethanmckinney203]

Thanks for this. It's hard to find much detail about the T-15, but this filled in most of with "Nope! Doesn't have that!"

[@heralds]

Also I love the fact the tank is shorter than both of yall

[@TheChieftainsHatch]

Robby is standing on a box...

[@heralds]

@@TheChieftainsHatch JFC youre a tall mfer you're like 2 of him

[@Ghostmaxi1337]

I know of 2 pictures, of one of these pulling the rare 7,5 / 5,5 cm Pak 41 L/57 which looks absolutly huge next to it.

[@evilfingers4302]

Would be nice if there was a dedicated video from the Chief on the Wiesel AWC.

[@incorrectbeans]

"A tank? But Boss, we only have steel sheets and no way to shape them!"

[@valkoharja]

Thank you both of you

[@brealistic3542]

That's a amazing Museum.

[@barelyasurvivor1257]

Fascinating vide Thank you.

[@DeeEight]

I saw a source once that the ROF on the Belgium 47mm was slightly slower than the QF 2-pounder, which was rated for 22 per minute.

[@TheChieftainsHatch]

Likely, but ROF on a towed mount is rarely the same as on a vehicle

[@DeeEight]

@@TheChieftainsHatch is there ROF data anywhere for any of the cramped one man french turrets with their 47mm gun ? Or a two man British turret with a 6 pounder? A relatively open mount with two crew serving the 47mm of the T-13 should be in between.

[@justforever96]

You realize the rated ROF for hand loaded guns has almost nothing to do with reality? They shoot as fast as the guy loading them can get shells into the breech. The depends on who that guy is, how the ammo is stored, who is fetching shells for him, how much space he has. They don't even use an universal formula for figuring out that number, so that basically tells you nothing useful, except maybe a very rough estimate of the sort of ballpark you are able to achieve when all is well laid out. Like to aren't going to get 100rpm, but you can probably do better than 20 unless you really messed up.

[@JamesLaserpimpWalsh]

Little scamp of a guncarrier. Thanks for vid. Never heard of this type before.

[@Gravity_studioss]

Absolutely love to see these more obscure vehicles. You got plenty of material about the T34, Tigers and Panthers, Shermans, But nobody talks about the Thingamabob contraption

[@popuptarget7386]

And the Rory award goes to Chieftain for the most gratuitous use of the Word Belgium.

[@johnsowerby7182]

At least he isn't a stupid Ghent

[@dennisvandermarkt8263]

Oh bugger the T13 is on fire.....

[@robinburt5735]

Looks like a great place to visit :)

[@ianbell5611]

Very cool. 5mm armour may not seem of much use to some people but bear in mind it's thicker or at least on par with a lot of modern day frigate and destroyer hull plating and given that the superstructure of the same ships also similarly thin but manufactured from aluminium the armour of this T13 would stop a lot more. Cheers

[@smalltime0]

Modern ships aren't armoured though, the threat to them are torpedos and missiles and their defences reflect that. Tanks, especially at the time, had to rely on their armour in combat

[@justforever96]

​@@smalltime0but they didn't really. Most tanks in this era had very little armor and relies mostly on not getting hit by anything bigger than an MG. And this isn't a tank.

[@smalltime0]

@@justforever96 I'm sorry what are you disagreeing with?

[@janwitts2688]

Grief.. the Belgium army with its motorcycle and sidecar fitted with AT rifle.. and now this thing.. no wonder their bicycle infantry had only a few bullets each..

[@viandengalacticspaceyards5135]

Funny thing, the Chasseur Ardennais with their oddball stuff managed to piss off the Germans quite beyond what you would expect of such a scale model force. Note it was in the Ardennes (the Bulge), full of woods and rocky hills with very small & far apart roads and bridges. So small stuff might well have been useful. The local Belgians there don't really glorify it, but find it funny, just as we do.

[@01Bouwhuis]

So did the germans and the dutch...it equals the Italian bazooka scooter.

[@egoalter1276]

I see bo reason why light TDs, and motorcycle mounted motorizes infantry wouldnt be a coste effective solition for maintaining a capable manouver force for a small country with limited domestic heavy industry.

[@janwitts2688]

@egoalter1276 At the start of ww2 some of their bicycle infantry had an issue of less than 20 rifle bullets each..

[@BĹİŤŻżẒ̌88]

​@janwitts2688 The Soviets had more artillery than munitions, what's your point?

[@d33b33]

27:26 "You don't think about Belgium as being a martial history..." Ian (Forgotten Weapons) *clears throat*

[@BasmatiJones]

Thank you for yet another wonderful presentation of a very rare vehicle from a sort of "Golden Age" of armored vehicle experimentation and production. Wondering if the tow pintle was used for towing an ammunition trailer.

[@nor0845]

An impressive museum. I hope to visit sometime.

[@coldwarrior78]

A surprisingly well designed and effective weapon from a time when most didn't understand armored warfare.

[@daledemanchuk7920]

you were on the learning end today guy! great video!

[@CalgarGTX]

Guns facing backwards on TDs make a lot of sense tbh, means you can take advantage of a lot of positions that would otherwise be judged hard to get out of, and run back to next cover easily rather than having to manoeuveur the thing around while getting shot at.

[@thurin84]

fascinating little vehicle.

[@Colonel_Blimp]

A tidy little TD for the mid 30’s.❤

[@michaelguerin56]

I remember watching a video, several years ago where a Belgian museum official told the story of getting this vehicle back from Vienna.

[@henryturnerjr3857]

"We can't have the gun going through the driver's compartment going right past his head." Apparently, the US had no such thoughts with the 75mm half track.

[@jon-paulfilkins7820]

Well, in that specific case the muzzle was ahead of the driver, concussion blast might have still been an issue, but an unwelcome instant tan wasn't 😉

[@bwilliams463]

I believe it was an episode of the History Channel's 'Patton 360' that talked about those particular anti-tank half tracks. There was a veteran interviewee who had served as a driver, and he talked about the permanent hearing damage he suffered from sitting under the end of that barrel.

[@lifuranph.d.9440]

@@bwilliams463 `eh...Wot?

[@bwilliams463]

@@lifuranph.d.9440 I typed 'I BELIEVE IT...'

[@Gravity_studioss]

Also the PRIEST spg

[@BHuang92]

The best Belgium tank of WW2

[@miglover5]

Nope. We had the French acg as well.

[@piritskenyer]

6 metre lomg muzzle flash implies a way too short barrel for the given propellant charge

[@TheMineBooster]

Much needed video, since im looking to replicate the last version, but need all the info i can get

[@jimboAndersenReviews]

That is a potent gun, for 1939, so if the crew where motivated, had trained on the vehicle and sat in a concealed position, I could easily see this becoming a very nasty surprise to meandering into its field of fire. Somebody did a lot with limited resources, I think. That was informative :3

[@larrysmith703]

Would love to have you do a video on the T-15 tank

[@christophermaes2677]

Looks like an excellent museum... I will have to check it out when I am in Brussels next month. One thing I am curious about: why doe the T-13 have the symbol of the USAAS 96th Bomber Squadron (devil with bomb in triangle) painted on it?

[@jonathanmoeg1202]

That's covered in the video.

[@jon-paulfilkins7820]

Nice to see, as my 'bag' is early war stuff, this is very much my kind of thing. I could imagine if it was "alive" it want to be a Marder when it grew up!

[@wazwulf2698]

great info thanks

[@alfazagato1455]

I remember seeing a very poor picture of one of these in a photobook of my dad's. Always been curious. Really, always wanted a model. No plastic kits have been forthcoming iirc.

[@dillonpierce7869]

More obscure stuff coming? 👀 Never heard of this little thing. Another one that'll fit in the barn..... Love that. 😂

[@Colinpark]

With that low ground clearance and big lower plate I can't imagine the cross country performance was that great.

[@ketchman8299]

But does the Chieftan fit inside?

[@mikearmstrong8483]

Ah, Belgium. Wonderful country. Friendly people, nice chocolates, easy access to panzer divisions.

[@ianmckay1780]

Thanks Nick, it's nice to see something strange and foreign. It proves the ingenuity of man the world over, when necessity calls. there is someone with a good idea. Love you sense of humour too.

[@whya2ndaccount]

Surely a 4th reason would be to allow it to reposition quickly by driving forward, just like the UK Archer?

[@justforever96]

Assuming that was actually one of their states reasons. Which it might not have been.

[@desmcharris]

Cool Tank art!!

[@bertramjagoda5444]

9:51 Freudian slip right after going over who Austria was aligned with...

[@jaymorris3468]

Great stuff

[@michaelmize1155]

The question I had was there any radios/flags and the Doctrine for coordinating the use of these?

[@Gravity_studioss]

I am not a specialist, but I do not think these Tanks could fit one. I can imagine a Truck with a Radio inside driving in a convoy with this SPG though

[@TheHenirik]

Unless that is strangely constructed it doesnt look like a 6/12/24v battery, how does the electrical work on that thing? It looks like 18v which would be a odd voltage to base your electrics on

[@P.CL33T]

Finally a tank my toddler can drive

[@ph5832]

Belgium in the spring …. Life is good

[@JR-tl2ym]

I have a question about the Soviet V2 tank engines that were used from the T-34 to T-90. Why did they upgrade power with supercharger first and then turbochargers? Why not go to turbos earlier? The Germans were working on turbo diesels in the 1940s, and US M48 M60 tanks had turbodiesels by the 1950s. The Soviets seem to have not adopted turbocharged engines until the 80s.

[@NotTheAlcoholic]

Now that is a thing

[@yannichudziak9942]

To be honest I think there is some admin cause for the naming, T for test and 1 for initial batch and the 3 for the year it was designed in… So Test vehicles 1 designed in 1933 and likely to be followed by the rest of the naming for the full name?

[@DrLoverLover]

Thank you Robby! Are there any model 3 left somewhere?

[@robbyhouben7995]

Unfortunately not, as their performance was superior to the earlier models, they were all drafted to serve as Beutepanzer by the Germans. You can find several photos of them in that role, maybe some of they still linger around in a southeastern Europe scrapyard or river :)

[@markfergerson2145]

No radio? Not mentioned and I didn’t see one or an obvious mounting point. OTOH radios weren’t all that common in WWI or early in WWII. I was wondering about command and control. I suppose each crew would have a set of assigned defensive points and fire as needed, then fall back as it became clear that it was time to do so. I just don’t know enough about Belgian military doctrine. Did units operate on their own hook like that? C&C by voice and or flags maybe?

[@viandengalacticspaceyards5135]

That would have been too much luxury. Back then, in the Belgian Army, having motocycle messengers rather than bicycles was quite modern. Also, the Chasseurs were a bit of a special troop, with small units operating fairly independantly, rather than a classic field formation.A bit guerilla-ish.

[@justforever96]

Okay so the whole crew cabin collapses do it can fire all around, that's cool. So its definitely just an and propelled artillery emplacement.

[@dalejmobiledalej6361]

I wonder if Chieftain would fit in Polish TKS tankette. :)

[@cmck472]

He does. It's been done.

[@TheChieftainsHatch]

One of my more popular videos actually, for some reason.

[@Sliphantom]

I don't think all the polygons on your tank destroyer have loaded yet.

[@retteip8276]

I personaly like the T13 B3 more than the other models

[@linadimois]

00:08 - Chieftain, You do realize that your Tiger video will have a record number of views, right? But, hey, you are a Colonel now, I guess this is strategy! 🤫

[@AsbestosMuffins]

Does He Fit?

[@WindFireAllThatKindOfThing]

If it fits, it sits

[@avnrulz8587]

We'll never know...

[@gordonfraser8020]

Just started watching, hoping for a "oh bugger, the tank's on fire". 😂

[@brianv1988]

I actually like it it's so small it could probably be put in any little area Dug in and camouflage the hell out of and the barrel is not sticking out so every shot is basically unknown it's like a firing bush only thing giving it away is probably dust and smoke by the time they find them they're already hauling to a different pre-prepared position and they don't have to reverse they just have to hit the gas and they're out of there a lot faster than reversing out of a position and turning around to extract plus when they're driving forward they can still fire at the enemy from the back😊 for the era it was made in and thinking that it's only used for ambush and defense AT it's a pretty cool piece of History I guess it's better than a stationary anti-tank gun where you can't shoot and Scoot and it's pretty small so it's probably a harder Target to hit but if it does get hit you're done for no matter where it's at

[@Justoneperson-hu3nh]

That looks like the first "Roomba"!

[@Cohen.the.Worrier]

11:50 In case you didn't understand him: Limburgse Grenswielrijders, Border Cyclists Battalion of Limburg.

[@hamster2845]

The T1 is the Swedish battle helmet so this high school footlocker on tracks it's just natural progression.

[@gregjokonis1776]

Has The Chieftain ever done the M551 Sheridan?

[@ivoferin8176]

Seems to be Pz II track links.

[@jp18449]

So is this Archer's uncle? Or Grandfather?

[@justforever96]

So wait, you said it was powered by a Go-Devil engine, meaning a Willys engine, same as the jeep? So they just happened to adopt that engine that was being used by the relatively obscure Willys in their Americar line of automobiles, and which happened to become famous in the hell later? But that only was developed in 1937. Or are you talking about a replacement engine?

[@bebo4807]

Rearward facing gun makes it easier to shoot and scoot.

[@heralds]

Is that a medieval art picture on the side?

[@TangBengYong]

If a crewman stood in the gun ring, wouldn't he get hit by the breech recoiling?

[@nowthenzen]

Rear mounted gun, Archer anyone?

[@nargileh1]

Maybe the 13 was just a number they chose to make it look like they had 12 prior non-tank versions of this and avoid the scrutiny something new would have brought :D

[@ryanborn7026]

its a literal cube Q_Q and i thought the panzer 1 was the cutest little baby

[@phil20_20]

Now that's what I need. I'd never get a speeding ticket! 🤠

[@Newtonsquared]

"They put the fuel tank closest to the enemy " Real Belgium design for you

[@THX-1138.]

Damn, vehicle number soo close!

[@davidmeek8017]

Aloha; BRILLIANT! Mahalo

[@wmlemerise2331]

Doesn't Belgium have a hockey team? Offense is the best defense

[@Bronasaxon]

Behold, the Mark I Travel Machine! (Doctor Who Dalek reference)