Inside the Mind of Immortal vs Divine (Carry)

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[@BCdesu]

Hey guys, this is DATOHLEONG and I destroyed my bottle Don't be mad 😂

[@johaneespaulsabellano2001]

That drow on divine player looks like acc buyer lmao

[@martincloine1819]

Yeah he doesn't play how we usually do.still learnt from immortal drow tho

[@baselena21]

yeah.. bad comparison..

[@idrisie6720]

Ikr

[@ca4990]

@Ryan Caranto No I really doubt, I m archon player and would have played a lot better then that drow + that clock rotation ... who does not see that lmao, he bought that account. Pick worst divine player ever and compare ... not a very good comparison. There are better archon players then that divine.

[@avishesbasnet7791]

@@ca4990 lmao!! why are you still in archon though!!

[@namaasliku8642]

video: *show how bad divine player is* me : * crying in 3k *

[@Matthew-cf6nv]

divine players will look bad when someone even better points out specific issues they are doing wrong, pretty sure if we took any video replay from your legend bracket we'd find more and you won't be singing the same tune. you're stuck in 3k mmr because you are doing stuff wrong, bad teammates average out onto both your own and your enemy team - over time, the only constant is YOU.

[@devvasudwivedi2051]

​@@Matthew-cf6nv Chill, I am immortal and often do my own replay analysis. Just yesterday I was counting my misplays in a magnus + techies team and was like "Hmm my camera movement was so messed up in this fight." Its funny that he pointed it out here. This kinda mistake happens regularly with many players constantly even at the highest levels because sometimes we are prioritizing something else entirely. Watching this is not a rule book for mistakes not to make to be an immortal but rather a look at how an immortal player judges his gameplay so that you can start doing that for your specifc games and control those mistakes. Anyway, I have played against 9k+ players occasionally in MM and the gap between immortals and pros is as wide as immortal and ancients. IMO nobody can improve unless they are doing consistent replay analysis (Both wins and losses) or have a coach doing it for them. I mean sure you play everyday you will get better at last hits, heroes, reflexes, but it doesnt set you apart from the competition or help you gain a consistent rank.

[@Matthew-cf6nv]

@@devvasudwivedi2051 agree, just sick of seeing low mmr players commenting like pros. everything looks easier when it's a video upload of another player.

[@alialahmad4329]

@@devvasudwivedi2051 i think my biggest obstacles from improving iscv that i never watch mu games electricity come one hour every 6 hours i just want to play my game

[@malakh4585]

As a Drow spammer, I always see the same kind of mistakes from the divine player everywhere except mostly in immortal bracket. Most people don't realize that drow is a very strong laner, her right click + Q or E means the enemy should be harrassed and they will almost always lose in trades. I think most people play drow too defensively, they think "ok we will just focus on hitting creeps, get level 6, jungle and farm items until min 30 and win team fights" but unfortunately that's not the right strategy for drow especially in laning phase

[@TheMonkeystick]

Yeah, the advantage of ignoring all creep aggro is not heavily leveraged by a lot of players who aren't familiar with this hero. A lot of people in general are too passive with ranged heroes I feel, I guess they feel vulnerable?

[@malakh4585]

@@TheMonkeystick True. The hero is very squishy and I think that makes inexperienced players feel way too vulnerable. It takes a lot of balls to play drow correctly.

[@speedsim3344]

you made me realize why im stuck in divine bracket for 4 months now. im literally not helping my supp and im mad at the later decisions of teammates all jungling while i can just prioritize the early game plays. yes i grinded to 5300 mmr always losing lanes, i just play the map better LATER and im good at comebacks, so when people dont want to listen and afk jungle i instantly lose. early game way too important in divine bracket

[@jamesmuking]

Damn the anger against the divine player by herald players 🤣🤣🤣

[@avishesbasnet7791]

yeah! it hurts i am a divine player. these comments hurting me lul

[@iamfriendly6483]

That divine player is trash

[@chriscalebbrizo7901]

His evaluation is very concise. I like how you easily explained everything

[@muhammadfadhil884]

That "Divine" player look very much like my crusader teammates

[@datohleonggez]

im certain that he's still better than 99% of the population

[@devvasudwivedi2051]

Its because you are watching a collection of his mistakes, not his gameplay. If you're a crusader I am sure datohleong's eyes would bleed doing your replay analysis.

[@frostleaves2372]

@@devvasudwivedi2051 Now ThATs a LoT oF DamAGe

[@venky7226]

He looks like a crusader to you since his mistakes are being pointed out.

[@Brandon75689]

Or his mistakes seem like that of a crusader because where he is and why is irrelevant to you because you might not understand why he does that. But when he is punished for it, you think all the decisions up to that point were wrong.

[@rikirudee]

I love these series, would enjoy seeing more for supports, keep them coming!

[@agustinusyosef2157]

I love this comparison video. I hope you make more of this

[@vinceharia]

this is really useful and highlighting the underrated details!

[@funkydarwin]

Man u are awesome and Great at teaching as well

[@Saeed-ll8ed]

Such useful and informative piece of content well-done 👍🏻

[@RedBCPride82]

Thanks for the video. Could you make one about how to play after a losing lane?

[@glennmarten2907]

DATOHLEONG: The divine drow is now back to the jungle, because there is no map control at all the enemy manages to find him once again. "So let's just move on". :)

[@rami7894]

Good video dude. The tp scrolls challening times was new

[@cshen95]

Awesome video! Can you please make a video about positioning of supports as well? Thanks!

[@datohleonggez]

This video is for educational purposes only, the divine Drow is probably still better than 99% of the population, please don't flame him :)

[@SyedAli-uj4ss]

He is acc buyer even cursader drow play better than him

[@uwu-vh5ri]

Syed Ali i am going to say he is not i am divine 4 midlane player and if u don’t know nowsday divine rank jungling even enemy offlane shown on the other lane on the map

[@Evdota247]

Hi is super shit lets go

[@SviatoslavDamaschin]

60c in 15m against 2 melee heroes, yeah, better than 99% ^^

[@TheMonkeystick]

@@SviatoslavDamaschin You severely underestimate the skills of the vast majority of dota 2 players, almost everyone who plays this game sucks at it

[@brand4109]

Amazing work. ❤️

[@chossmedia]

I think it would be more effective to compare a immortal drow loss to a divine drow loss, and then do the same for a win

[@doctorroach1680]

Yup I agree. This video comparison felt like Dotaleong jerking off to his own game. He also plays in a 5 stack, not all of enemy were immortal. I like his content but these sorts of videos make me question his advice.

[@durere]

"take down the tier two top tower" has never been said so _SM00VE_

[@kentverbeet5704]

On behalf of Divines we dont claim him lmao. that said every mistake you make in divine+ will be taken advantage of, this dudes just had a bad game like we all do... except he has divine/imortal pudges and clocks hunting him, makes him look a lot worse than if he's in a legend game and the pudge leaves to roam mid for 3/4 of laning stage ahaha

[@devvasudwivedi2051]

Exactly what I said on other comments that are like boohoo this divine is worse than my crusader teammates. He is getting punished for his mistakes while you are watching a collection of only his mistakes.

[@GneumSothearith]

yes i am a Divine player i never help my sup that why i always lost my land. Thank you for ur information.

[@TheBeyondhuman]

I am a divine player as well, i dun fully agree of helping the support. Carry should focus more on last hitting. U see the support in the divine there are too far from the laning creep. It is the space if their offlane hero and support turn one loop to gank ur support. If support is within the last hitting range. The dr could possibly help him

[@kikomihov007]

Im divine 4 and I only help my support if he is attacked while playing well. If he overextends for no reason im gonna let him die and not put my ass in danger as well

[@souksavanecirera912]

It depends my man. If the fight is too farm from the lane u wont bother helping the support especially if there is creeps for u to cs. U should look before going to help, if u can secure the kill than go help, if not u will be in a bad spot!!? Why? Because u just ignore the whole wave on your lane and u get 0 exp!!!! If u do this often u will be behind the enemy’s carry in term of gold & exp.. in other hand if u let your support die, u will be in a 1v2 situation so be careful dont push the lane too far from your tw and have the critical area warded if the decide to go on you then u can retreat Just like Thebeyondhuman said “try to fight near the creeps”

[@TheBeyondhuman]

@@souksavanecirera912 yup exactly not all in the scene is good to help the support. It is just a bad spot for him to help Rule of thumb is really focus on last hitting. A full creep wave is around 160 gold which more or less the same as killing a hero without risking ur life

[@garysalazar5279]

Lots of comments here from Divine players not agreeing on helping the support. and thats the reason they are stuck in divine.

[@Jesus11151]

can you mention the item choices between the ranks as well? it helps to understand what to build against what matchcup. thanks

[@tanhongyi7180]

This is also a note for most carry pickers that they should always know what their hero can or can't do in laning phase. In this case, Drow is an extremely potent ranged carry that has pretty good early teamfight prowess. If you're running something as passive as a Spectre, which rcently has its early game damage nerfed for skirmishes, throw a dagger and assess if you are able to save your teammate or not first. The skill building also makes me wonder why most TB these days doesn't put at least 1 value level of Reflection for the slow.

[@toncocksurawmen6388]

0:23 how fast was the sb charging lmao

[@dayyo607]

Just tried this with my Jug, Enemy Terrorblade was 9-0 and was pushing mid highground at 25 mins, team fight was not on our side. So decided to cut waves and pushing highground on my own even if we lose baracks. My teamates were flaming me for not helping with defending but I did not care as they were still trying to get bottom Barracks. When the enemy starts tp to defend, I tp base to fight and we won that fight lessening the gold gap and we won every teamfight after that. Definitely gonna use this, Thanks.

[@vergilthecasualgamer7524]

SO LETS JUST MOVE ON HAHAHAHA

[@wielderXII]

can u make a compare video of a herald vs immortal? like i know this is like mocking but im just curios how much of a difference between immortal player and a herald.

[@miradota347]

Hello, No offense, but what region is that divine drow from? Never seen such performance in EU.

[@maisarahmuhammadin9897]

how to practice the camera position? can u make a video on that?

[@MREiermann1000]

great video as allways! as an ancient play im a bit shocked how bad the divine played and wonder if my decisionmaking is even crappier

[@johnnychannarong5484]

I can tell you it’s because of contradictory Dota guides which tell you to focus on farming creeps during laning stage and let your support do your own thing and not let the fights slow your farming down.

[@bryandavid4036]

Hey datohleong, what server did you play?

[@jayzablan9273]

i like your accent "hook by a patch" 😂

[@zaimsyahmi7080]

Hi datohleong. This video is good but if u can compare both player with both winning lane would be better

[@agentorange8161]

Hello friend. I’m your a new follower 🙂 may i know how you control your camera? Could you make a video about camera movement pls. Thanks 🙏 😀

[@datohleonggez]

Hello, I use edge pan as well as camera grip so get the best camera position for team fights

[@Rorther]

Why u were so conservative with your manta tou? Could've used it multiple times to assist on damage or on push.

[@AbsentCrysisX]

One thing I dont get, this divine guy plays like guardian yet he is divine.

[@SuperThunderPanda]

im not immortal but to be honest that shamans was awfully mispositioned lmao

[@staywithmeplease188]

Is drow still in meta in this patch?

[@MS-fj6od]

Tbh this shaman also quite bad... 0 vision vs clock pudge in the jungle (unless dewarded), he get caught very out of position many times. One instance where drow had wave pushing into the tower and shaman got caught he cant help without running past 5 enemy creeps and tanking the wave. The correct play would be to aggro creeps into tower range, auto attack creeps and let the shaman die so he won't get dived later with enemy double wave.

[@ChuckNorris-hl8te]

this made look divine like archon

[@KRterrorKR123]

Nodding my head in agreement that the Divine Drow is bad as an Archon 5

[@andreya1087]

more immortal comparison please

[@tarazika7]

That drow's look like crusader play instead of divine tho..

[@JL.Esperance]

获益良多，虽然我不是打carry的，但也学到了不少

[@ichijou_raku159]

哦？打support的么？

[@JL.Esperance]

@@ichijou_raku159 是的，我玩5号位而已

[@skyblizter]

as a pos 4/5 player,I realise my kill potential towards the enemy heroes and it is quite annoying when those carries never try to engage and get free kills,just hit creeps lol

[@sohsohzaiwee4293]

I feel so pity on the shadow shaman

[@Quimerateck]

someone just bought an account as far i can see

[@Divinetots]

but sometimes its based on the support. the difference of support between rankings.

[@robwintermoon3279]

People use different forms of camera control!! But IMO I think camera grip is superior to edge pan!! What do you think?

[@kekw6087]

I am a crusader because it is fun using techies on lower bracket lmao

[@cooperking9231]

Can i ask some tip. When clashing i kinda always lost my hero and get lost.

[@izzuanhamim8579]

hold alt and you will see a green arrow on top of your hero

[@gersonmedel1738]

Please make a support video please position 4 & 5! Great video btw. :)

[@thedevileater]

Thank u so much bro.. wanna be pro here..😂😂

[@user-us3wq4np6k]

Bruh this one's weird, should've used Divine 3 or below to compare to Immortal. It kind of feels like comparing legend 5 to an ancient 1. Also, there's just no way that drow is legitimately a divine 5 player, I've seen worst div 5 but this one is on another level.

[@huilgnerlotteotaviano555]

feeling bad for the shaman

[@danieliop]

Even in fights i always save my supports instead of chasing. I figure if we have the numbers we will eventually win.

[@annon658]

Bruh if i was that shaman, i would be roasting the fk outta that drow.

[@ramzieyamani3480]

next video 10 thing to know about drow

[@RicardoCalmon]

Clock and Pudge and not a single level on silencie tô push enemies away? Im not Divine, but that mistake i dont suffer

[@alialahmad4329]

When he treat devines as noobs my guardian heart die inside

[@sirelncldn6035]

Its really a matter of teamplay, staying with your supports, knowing when you're gonna trade or not, basically as a kiting carry its not your call to make trades, ure gonna heavily rely on your supports call bc they're gonna soak all the damage and attention. I can say that this div players have a messy gameplay considering that they're all div players

[@tinktankdota9319]

Do a windranger vid!

[@ongwailoon49]

Magic wand vs clock and pudge , hahahahah , its same as my archon teammate

[@TSAX]

Support mechanics next please 🙏

[@icata12345]

I got the feel the divine player does not play drowranger alot

[@12pm79]

but what you gonna do if your support is ursa or AM or PA or another carry hero? please make a guide about that,,, i met so many shit player who have support role but picking carry..!!, i played in sea, guardian bracket XD

[@yamzzxc]

Playing aggressive is the best way of playing dota

[@frofrostads7555]

that divine drow play like legend

[@rtz9574]

Is he really divine V? Or like divine I? Their skills in dota is a very big gap.

[@byrenwilliams4456]

Moba games is barely the tip of the iceberg compared to this complicated hot mess but I would gladly try out this game

[@yogapratama8673]

is he really divine player?

[@Joker-gb4nd]

Hey guys,this is TA TO LEO

[@mihaimirzac2372]

Divine account buyer lol

[@toothless22]

im not carry player I just love your accent its make the video more legit HEHE

[@Sina-cg9oo]

why is no one talking about that sunder 0:17

[@johnrichardlim9574]

0:17 check TB

[@GaeBulga]

Yeap. Always like that in the lower skill bracket. Its either the carry keep focus farming or its the "support". Cancer shit.

[@Noney1234]

Do the mind of immortal once again

[@durere]

I am a bit disapointed to see none of u upgraded silence earlier, especially with pudge on the lane.

[@kel1481]

Playing in core (1) is easier with immortal bracket as your support is much better than divine bracket :)

[@jltelmoso8311]

I feel bad for shaman

[@asapmoa7598]

That divine player is an account buyer. Anyone who has played enough Dota will know that.

[@TheJuggerknaught]

that is one sad drow

[@wibubosque8317]

drow offlane ?

[@chloetzpiano6548]

For 2k below players who insult the divine,im pretty sure you guys are the type of player to tried to trade hits with enemies 5 level above you and blame the support for not following you..lower bracket players doesnt even lasthit properly,at least this divine player did his job,but a few mistakes of movement and rotation doesnt make him on the same class as crusader scrubs...its just that everyone compared to top immortal player will look a lot less skilled

[@anakkucings]

picking drow into pudge and clock, yeah he deserve to lose

[@linnealjung3163]

the immortal drow was playing vs kunnka and pudge :) not so much better tbh.

[@jltelmoso8311]

@@linnealjung3163 and also Bloodseeker

[@manicksgaming6949]

drow against clock is not bad gust pretty strong against clock

[@Rejin420]

drow rapes clock bro

[@jomariadriano4634]

looks like an archon drow lol

[@erkazit]

Immortal Player vs Tournament Pro Player

[@darklore3496]

Bro that's not a divine skill level that's more like archon .

[@fahimseeker2419]

if that is divine, what am i doing in herald? O.o

[@chloetzpiano6548]

Correct your last hitting efficiency,you will reach 3k,correct your mindset and role,you will reach 4k and above,but not anyone can do that,people tend to abandon the role and just keep diving the enemy under the tower,he is still better than average players,its just that his enemy is also divine bruhh,they can crush the play anytime too..plus this is a video about mistakes and how to fix them

[@MartoniusSidabutar]

I like what you say,"Dota is game of mistake."

[@mikeylejan8849]

The divine drow is too focus on farming

[@manicksgaming6949]

in sea pubs divine players play like top 1 rank NA

[@amargosa13]

dude that divine player bought his account. That's not how divine players play

[@JunkieMonkey321]

Yes it is. A lot of them have no idea where to play on the map so they just to to their safelane in the first 15 minutes and they are so focused on cs that the offlaners get way too much out of the lane and end up crushing it later.

[@naufalirizkiawan8017]

My God is that even divine player?

[@zazzaz8103]

AHAHAHA ikr

[@koohafiz1986]

That divine player as drow playstyle way worst than me as ancient rank lmao🤣🤣 acc buyer?

[@markjosephcamacho3112]

more video please

[@Kozichi]

My carries in a nutshell