Inside the US Factory Making Ukraine’s Most Important Ammo | Big Business | Insider Business

The US has sent Ukraine millions of 155mm rounds since the war started, including cluster bombs. But there's a global shortage of 155 shells, and some are afraid that the US is depleting its stockpile. We visited the Scranton Ammunition Plant to see how common shells are made.
0:00 Intro
0:52 Why 155s are so important in Ukraine
2:40 How 155mm shells are made
4:20 History of 155mm shells
4:53 Other expensive weapons NATO has sent Ukraine
5:51 How America is sending cluster bombs during shortage
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Inside the US Factory Making Ukraine’s Most Important Ammo | Big Business | Insider Business

[@saadsyed7531]

US artillery shell production is still technically at ‘peacetime’ levels. At wartime level, many industries can be mobilized to ramp up production

[@JethroBodineWhooWee69]

Running low period…Biden’s a joke, Ukraine’s a joke…

[@immersiongaming4090]

what an incredible sight a modern military national war effort would be, don't WANTA see it, but hot damn if it did

[@deepnurmom1737]

It would be a disaster We would have to start companies to build machines from scratch Raytheon is calling 70 and 80 year old retirees to see if they can help with stinger missle production Facility Mil industrial complex has become used to big paychecks and not having to deliver a working product When the truth comes out about how weak America really is right now heads need to roll

[@orangecookie3132]

Not really USA is doctrine is relying on smart missles which will take longer to produce

[@mahlee18]

Just a snap of the fingers, all the heavy machinery and expertise comes into existence because federal dollars are spent, huh? That shit is going to take years today.

[@AgentPepsi1]

The U.S. has several "stockpiles", the contents of which are classified. What is happening, is that the new shells are not going to Ukraine, but into the U.S. stockpiles, while older shells are being sent to Ukraine. Many of the shells they received, were to have been disposed of in the first place.

[@User-rka_zykx76]

We survived ww1 and 2 by scrapping and melting iron. I don’t think our military cares to do that anymore. That’s what annoys me personally 😂 seeing scrap metal just fly around in the wind. Literally, they’re rounds😂 That was a shitty joke.

[@trolleriffic]

@@User-rka_zykx76 The importance of that scrap was often overstated. Here in the UK we tore down all the iron railings around people's houses and gardens for the war effort and most of it ended up getting dumped in the sea after the war's end. Amazingly decades-old wrought iron of unknown composition isn't the best material for making guns, bombs, tanks, or anything else the military needs.

[@st.dennie1149]

Shouldn't be sending them anyways.

[@HVAC356]

​@@trollerifficjust ask chinese! Melting bicycles to meet quotas

[@ModernCowboy78]

Yes the military-industrial complex getting their guaranteed pay.

[@joealcamo8901]

I worked in an ammunition plant during the Vietnam war and it was balls to the wall 24/7! 105 mm howitzers. Paid my tuition to college for a year.😄🔥💥

[@shittyfuck]

you earn money by making weapons what a shame

[@joeyjoejoe314]

are you happy to contribute to war crimes?

[@sa-un6mu]

@@joeyjoejoe314 CRYBABY

[@cheapcheating6219]

@@shittyfuckand you apparently support communism what a shame

[@Alexander_choi]

@@joeyjoejoe314 how's killin Russians a war crime? That's a fuckin public service.

[@jerrynorth7881]

I worked on and installed some of those robots a long time ago. This is an old factory. Glad to see they're still running.

[@Mac1Eleven]

Because of the wars your governments create to keep it going

[@Valuiskihh]

America lives by producing weapons. Of course they will work

[@pourguy3441]

🤡

[@bobtate6812]

Fanuks?

[@shittyfuck]

us government is still killing people, so they get the job off of it.

[@livtpack]

I just love the guy who yelled, "EFFICIENCY IS KEY TO SPEED." Then immediately cuts to next scene.

[@buildandrelax1495]

Speed is key efficiency supplement!

[@livtpack]

@skylord12345 Yeah he does! And thanks for the time stamp

[@edgargad2941]

I'm making the mother of all omelets here Jack.

[@warbydeception3228]

Editor wanted to show he agreed with that idea. Also, isn’t speed the key to efficiency?

[@livtpack]

@@warbydeception3228 I love that guy and completely agree with him! Efficiency is key to speed!

[@JZ909]

The core of the issue is that U.S. production was tailored to address U.S. requirements, and U.S. requimemts tend to be centered around guided weapons delivered by air power. Tube artillery is more of a situational tool in U.S. doctrine, and U.S. commanders don't expect to engage in multi-month grinding artilery duals that require more rounds than our (previously) very deep stockpiles.

[@vyros.3234]

The US should have know that it would have to support another nation at some point. It's been helping arm nations in need since WW1.

[@colincampbell767]

US production capacities were designed to support peacetime operations and low intensity operations. And this plant exists only because it's government owned. The private sector companies either went out of business or retooled for civilian products a couple of decades ago. Unlike us - China has been subsidizing excess capacities in their defense industries. We haven't. Immediately after 911 an order went out to mobilize a lot of reserve component units. Turned into a huge fiasco because most of the "excess" military facilities that were closed in the 1990s were mobilization sites for reserve component units. They called up those units - but didn't have any place to put them. The problem we have is that we aren't going to have the luxury of having 2-3 years to build new munitions factories and train a workforce. We had that luxury in both world wars. Another issue we have is wary defense contractors. Most of them have been burned by building additional facilities only to have the contract cancelled shortly after those facilities are ready. As a result - they are demanding that the government build the facilities and they will contract to operate them. This problem is huge in aircraft munitions and missiles. Obama's air war against ISIS used ammunition taken directly out of the 'War Emergency Stockpile.' After Obama left office companies that make the stuff refused to add capacity. BTW - remember the 100 cruise missiles against Syria for them using chemical weapons? It took over a year to replace them.

[@rajaydon1893]

That sounds like a problem

[@THX..1138]

Yup and we are very unlikely to ever rely heavily on the standard 155mm shells when we have Excalibur rounds. So running down our stockpile of dumb 155mm (if that's actually even happening) is not really a threat to national security.....Another note is cluster munitions are obsolete in the US inventory so theoretically we could give Ukraine 100% of those munitions and it's irrelevant to the US stockpile. In fact giving them to Ukraine probably represents a saving to the taxpayers over paying to continue to store and then eventually paying to dismantle them.

[@pll3827]

@@rajaydon1893 Think the current plan was basically hoping that we can break the full potential of any enemy within a few weeks. Shock and awe and all that. Mind, all of the U.S.'s enemies thus far have been severely outclassed. But if there is a fight against a true near-peer power - like China - that refuses to give up despite being pummeled by all the expensive weapons, things might become problematic.

[@ratikashisix9372]

This is definitely the right business to be in

[@mycowboyways915]

Ever wonder who profits from all these continual wars....

[@pmeagle]

Ofc, it's a business that's been tested for thousands of years.

[@javiermartinezjr8849]

American manufacturing besides German and sweedes is unmatched when we're talking steel god bless

[@jntiger1981]

China produces 15 times of more steel than U.S.

[@nostro1940]

Scranton is seriouslly the place to Make Paper (Dunder Mifflin) and artillery rounds.

[@theroldan8013]

a place of death nothing to be proud of....

[@L9r5c]

And Biden home town

[@alexbarnett8541]

​@@L9r5cit all makes sense now.

[@alexbarnett8541]

It's psychologically terrifying for the enemy to know these shells came from a place called Scranton.

[@thesecondguywhoknowsthings7154]

​@@theroldan8013depends truly depends but most of the time u are correct at this time it is

[@travisruble6873]

When I went to the army in 2003, we were shooting ammo lots from the 1950s. the charge bags would fall apart because they were so old. it wasn't until 2011 in Afghanistan that I saw ammo lots that were made within a year.

[@neilreynolds3858]

I think we must have been using the same ammo bags in Vietnam but they were a lot younger.

[@bavery6957]

LIFO inventory control, I suspect...

[@davideyt1242]

Glad to see a fellow vet here, so by now you should also be well aware of the true reasons for why went into Afghanistan, do you? hint: it was not a peace keeping mission, installing a modern democracy or fighting terror, I am pretty sure the major shareholders of a handful of US ammunition manufacturers have bought another palace in France, replaced their private jet and heli, and god knows what... the profits were very good for those scumbags, while we saw our brothers blow up. once it was decided by the owners of our gov that *their* mission in Afghanistan was completed, we left a ton load of stuff and just left

[@HunterTN]

There are similar stories about 7.62 and .50 cal rounds. In 2003 troops were shooting Vietnam era ammunition in Iraq. By 2007-2008 they were shooting ammo headstamped a couple months prior.

[@davideyt1242]

@@sturmtiger7704 but that wouldn't be profitable for the people that are really in charge (not your "POTUS") wouldn't it? the movie "warlord" is not fiction, there are a small handful of trillionaires who made their entire family fortunes from inciting wars and selling their products to "fight" those wars. if you really think that Biden, Obama or any of those people were running the show and were doing good for the American people, you must change your prescription. selling old stuff is not profitable for those who profit from those wars, that is why even when old stuff is being sent over, it is bound to new stuff being produced, so that the people who own the gov can get their sweet profits off of it. why do you think everytime that old stock is being dumped it's always a "good gesture" and for "free"? it's not free for the tax payer, that is..

[@lonewolf333]

My first unit was an artillery unit. We had the M198 155m Howitzers. 1/321 FA, the only 155m artillery airborne unit in the US Army. Nothing like seeing and hearing one of those rounds explode in a direct fire! You can see these rounds leaving the tube if you watch closely enough.

[@hamburgerjuices7764]

That at Bragg?

[@lonewolf333]

@@hamburgerjuices7764yep

[@drappointment4509]

How do you see what you're shooting at if they are 15 miles away? and how do you know their exact location?

[@lonewolf333]

@@drappointment4509Forward observers. Also, there's a saying called "shoot, move, and communicate". You shoot, and get the hell out of there, because there';s something called "crater analysis", which is basically a bit of math used to find a good approximation where the shot came from. If someone does a crater analysis and you happen to still be in the area where you fired the shot that made the crater, fucked you are...

[@drappointment4509]

@@lonewolf333 so forward observations give you the coordinates of where the target is and you dial that angle in for the artillery cannon and then shoot?

[@4F6D]

"There is a global shortage of artillery shells" Never in my life I heard a sentence that was this fucked up. I mean isn't it shocking that there can be a shortage of weapons? What a world.

[@executivetutoringservices1714]

Money to be made. US military industrial complex

[@nostro1940]

Freedom isn't free, neither are the raw materials and work needed to make these rounds. the US civilian stupidity complex is the real burden to the tax payer

[@MrKores12]

weapons manufacturers are making profit of a war? *shocking*

[@user-rt9pe8dp1q]

​@@MrKores12unbelievable 🥲

[@science_engineering]

Pig wars in WH in action

[@tanonymous2557]

@@MrKores12the point is that since weapons manufacturers make money from war, they use their money to influence and encourage war. Meaning they happily trade human lives for money. Maybe you shouldn’t be taking it so lightly. You may as well be a globalist puppet, defending people who have more money and influence then you will ever see in your life. Shut up.

[@Hadeshands]

The fact South Korea produces over 300,000 155mm shells per month is mind boggling 😮

[@zhalsan1965]

Откуда информация ?

[@TeddyRenson47]

Due to North and South Korea’s war tensions the south is constantly building its military defence to plan and prepare for a future war with North Korea if it ever happens (when you seek peace plan for war)

[@NaNa-kj2gw]

there's a lot for them to aim at

[@commie5211]

why？ north korea produces more.

[@SCP--op2eq]

north korean bot proproganda@@commie5211

[@shadowproxy331]

I am from Zaporozhie, a Ukrainian city in 100 km from the frontline. My house located is quite low and it is quiet, but every time when I walk up to the hill near river Dnepr I hear cannonade.

[@reidsimonson]

Arent you happy that the US courted your country into NATO and now you suffer for it while your boy big Z becomes a billionaire?

[@1imbAl33t]

God damn it. The office has ruined me, as soon as I heard Scranton I imagined Michael Scott running a shell factory.

[@jakewolf079]

I've handled 155mm rounds in the Tawianese military, it's fascinating to see how these are made in the factory.

[@littlebigplanet321]

I love China to

[@spacebirb4339]

@@WipeOutUkranisTaiwan

[@spacebirb4339]

@@littlebigplanet321shutup

[@mycelia_ow]

@@WipeOutUkranis Taiwan is ROC, so your correcting isn't necessary. Taiwan is just the ROC capital (and only) province.

[@supernt7852]

@@mycelia_owROC also has a small part of Fukien under its control

[@MrGrombie]

We are not running out of shells. We are replacing old ones with newer ones. Even when in storage, it will create more duds and misfires over time. Which isn’t something you want. It’s actually pretty smart.

[@kzuv7615]

​@@ph0522Russia is US business

[@backing5284]

​@@ph0522Russia and china are our biggest enemies.... yeh destroying Russia is totally none of our business..... 🥴Thank God ur not in charge of our country

[@gonrico]

I bought a new car, replacing old one with new one, pretty smart

[@skip1383]

@@ph0522Destroying Russias military inventory is a great return on the investment that the U.S is making. But that’s why you aren’t in charge of making these decisions, because you’re short sighted and dumb.

[@kjudad1185]

​@@ph0522 "None of our buisness". The moment the US or collective West stop supporting Ukraine it signals to the Chinese that we are unwilling to help nations that are under attack. The next thing you know is China invading taiwan. Concidering that most of the micro chips are made in taiwan it is safe to say that we then would be truly f**ked.

[@davisluong2060]

I think the critics are over hyping in the shortage. If a war time level just as WW II, we would ramp up production dramatically.

[@Zippo_Allstar]

You cant. There have already been reports on this. If you don't want to shut down your car industries and other such manufacturers you cant do it. The US produces a 7th of what Russia produces and even if that would level out theirs costs a 10th to an 8th of the price! Because of how their defence industries is set up. Some western sources claims Russia produces 3 to 4 times more artillery shells than the rest of the world combined. They have upgraded soviet factories that has pumped out shells consistently since the 50s. With cheap labor , energy , materials. The U.S and EU has become complacent in our position and we fucked it up.

[@Castor2x2]

This video is the perfect proof of who wants wars, for whom wars suit and who profits from them.

[@Gdvhtfddsa]

your comment is the perfect proof that some people really stupid, Ukraine fight for its sovereignty and freedom from the imperialist occupation efforts of russia.

[@marksallai2289]

wars are no good for anyone they need to all stop before the planet is destroyed

[@chrisbreezy-ryanbarbosa4320]

Yeah thankfully Russia invaded its neighbor or these guys would be broke

[@ricobo5682]

The shells made in Scranton, PA are probably made for the US Army to refill supplys depots after the old rounds were sent to Ukraine.

[@DangerB0ne]

The rounds nearing shelf life expiry are the best to send to be honest. The Ukrainians are firing so many shells per day that they'll be expended before they go bad!

[@RtHonElijah]

It’s nice that the US government has taken the opportunity of the war in Ukraine to renew their ammo and grow their GDP by increasing the production👍🏻 Taking advantages from wars yet again…

[@JeZZGro]

​@@RtHonElijah They do not grow GDP, production cost money and it is verry expensive. They just print money, and what they have is recession and inflation, and that is happening in whole world because of US. One of main reasons why BRICT exist, besides sanctions and bulling.

[@imchris5000]

@@DangerB0ne they dont really expire the rounds produced for ww2 and the korean war were still being used in iraq and afghanistan

[@sandybennett_itsme]

@@RtHonElijah You forgot to mention the part about giving it all away.

[@elonchu7566]

The US Military-industrial complex must have earned so much from the war. It is definitely the one who is the most happiest to see wars to happen all around the world.

[@777dragonborn]

This is Evil.

[@user-bi5om5jj2p]

Yeah, we make so much money that you're red and all your generations will always live in shit. That's what you wanted to hear, right?

[@DorinCiobanu007]

@@777dragonborn Hitler and Putler are evil. Defense contractors are just making a profit when they can.

[@travisjohnson6703]

Turns out the military had a purpose. Who'd have thought?

[@fajkoson]

sure, but say thank you to Putin.

[@OregonBacon]

Tell your kids that precision machining is a thing if they don't want to go to college. We've lost tens of thousands of them around the country when private companies offshored everything for profits. A skill set that is based in the US can again pay well...automation will be included and that is okay.

[@InfinityHS]

Precision machining.. ill look into this

[@racing_mntage1584]

Absolutely love "this old Tony's" videos, if I weren't a cs student or if I can't become a pilot in the future then machining it is

[@mosesjaguar]

It's a great time to be an international arms manufacturer, broker and shareholder. Laughing all the way to the bank

[@DorianTheReaper]

People seem to forget that the US has a legally required minimum amount of ammo of everything in its stockpiles at all times. When we talk about the US running out of ammo it means they are running out of stuff they can give away. The US several times the amount of stuff they gave away in storage at all times

[@Nostradevus1]

Legally Biden wasn't supposed to be able to sell off our oil reserves to lower gas prices temporarily, but he did anyway...Legally means something different when you are part of the corrupt oligarchy.

[@someguy9778]

Duh

[@Nick-kn6il]

You would think this was obvious but trust me it's not for many poorly informed people watching certain cable news channels pushing a narrative.

[@harmsway9365]

Legally required? Bound by who exactly? Aren’t we legally required to keep national strategic fuel reserves too? How did that go?

[@boom-wj1gt]

​@@harmsway9365i think that fuel is for the military than anything else tbh Also your talking about the country that has more guns than people so its not that stupid that the US has its own stock pile of rounds that they dont sell

[@ieetpeople4003]

So the thing about the US "Stockpile" Is that we actually have 3. 1 is the primary stockpile in case of war, not to be touched under any circumstance. Another is the training stockpile, we use to train troops. And the third is the expired stockpile that we sell/giveaway, these rounds are usually super old and on the brink of "I don't know if boom will happen". Besides that, the only thing we're giving away that may actually have any impact is the surface to air missile systems (not the missiles).

[@ericp1139]

Ideally, yes. But do you trust the US government to abide by those disciplines?

[@chrisbea49]

Who do you think we'll fire 155s at? China? Check the width of the Taiwan Strait - we are not landing in mainland China.

[@shwethang4347]

@@ericp1139the US army would never allow themselves to tap into their own stockpile. For christs sake even the training stockpiles are under intense scrutiny and every shell accounted for

[@vaneokmi]

Yea ideally thats the idea but Biden for example tapped into our strategic oil reserves which are only suppose to be used in times of war or some natural disaster situation just so he can lower gas prices lmfao.

[@wwesuperstar1100]

@@ericp1139a country so keen on national security you think they want to burn through their own supply ?

[@XOXOn123u]

Wow Its 155MM, I did filled TNT/RDX myself and I do the Thermostat temperature treatments in Bunker..I work with MK82/MK84...60MM, 40MM ...

[@onefortrees]

Stockholders of these companies should be made public for the interest of the common American taxpayer.

[@edgardogolazo]

USA: no , it is no democratically😂😂😂

[@montwestblack3678]

@@edgardogolazo Learn to speak english before you talk shit in it

[@Dannyspurgeon]

Got to be a communist snowflake ,,, oooh the bad stock holders. So evil to make a dollar. Cry baby

[@tarikzagmouti8718]

Just imagine in what kind of world we could live in if people just worked together instead of killing each other. Peace to humanity

[@JovenAlbarida]

americans dont like that idea

[@ToothlesstheNightFury510]

@@JovenAlbaridathe whole world wants more of the pie not just Americans

[@dakotareid1566]

@@JovenAlbaridathe world was fighting long before America was even a thought

[@kevinfidler6287]

I'm all for it. Unfortunately, we're all part of the human species, and we only get along with like-minded cultures (mostly).

[@TrungCyf]

God bless America. More ammo, more destruction. Hoorah.

[@jayphoenix2709]

Contrast to the days of WW1 when Britain alone was producing 50,000,000 shells a year..... France itself was producing 17,000 155mm shells A DAY

[@CarlosCostaX]

Business as usual 📈

[@j.howardj]

7:37 Iraqi, 1991. One of our tankers was killed by our own cluster bombs because of an unexploded bomb. I was driving a 5-ton truck in Iraq at the time, that some soldiers needed to grab some flares from my truck to signal a medivac helicopter because a tank crewman had been injured by a cluster bomb that didn't explode. He died unfortunately, I salute his service and sacrifice.

[@mustafashaad4884]

NO MATTER HOW MILLIONS OR BILLIONS OF SHELLS GIVEN TO UKRAINE, U CAN'T DEFEAT RUSSIA WITH THAT 😂😂

[@Insertnamehereplz]

@@mustafashaad4884sure you can person who has to spell in all caps

[@mustafashaad4884]

@@Insertnamehereplz NO, U CAN'T!! WHY? BECOZ RUSSIA HAS SOMETHING THAT UKRAINE DOESN'T HAVE!! ONCE THEY USE IT, HIGHLY DOUBT IF VICTORY WILL BE GAINED FOR UKRAINE

[@robertungsod691]

​@@mustafashaad4884 lol even with Russia larger air force, navy and artillery forces can't even take Kyiv.

[@yung_yahudi]

@@mustafashaad4884 you one of them prigozhin trolls dont ya 😂😂😂Признаться, Евгений Викторович. Выйти 🤣🤣

[@notilluminati1295]

Pretty sure the main filling is Comb B, not TNT... and yes 20km is in the ballpark of no-frills 155 rounds, but with Base Bleed (HEBB) or Rocket Assist (RAP) rounds, that range can be extended to closer to 30-40km.

[@seanashby3018]

I think imx-101 is the fill for the 155s and comp b is usually in grenades but I could be wrong. The manufacture can change over time and switch supply chain at any moment.

[@TabooCustoms]

TNT is the main fill, IMX 101 and 104 is also used. Currently the USG doesn't have a Comp B M795.

[@Phoenix-zu6on]

also shouldnt a longer round fly further? the idea that because theyre only 2 feet they can go up to 20 km is kinda weird, no? if they were the same diameter but longer theyd have better aerodynamics and a higher inert weight, meaning theyd lose speed way slower.

[@RevMikeBlack]

The military industrial complex has never had it so good. Massive fortunes are being made. Ike was right!

[@OKOKOKOKOKOKOK-zn2fy]

The new ammunition factories in Poland and Germany can crank out a combined 20,000 155mm rounds a day. They also make 152mm that's better than Soviet spec. Completely automated with induction heating for the steel. It's much faster than baking steel for hours.

[@masonc4919]

it's wild how important these shells are. My uncle & cousin both work here and my father designed & built a 6 floor elevator that works on not just a vertical plane but also horizontally.

[@90s_stone570]

It is awesome, I live in Scranton and I tell my kids about the factory every time we drive by lol shocked to see this has 2 mil views

[@kdsaev]

What elevator company do you guys work for? We work for a cool one inside SF

[@TheWizardGamez]

im sorry. horizontal elevator?

[@templar501]

does it go wonka ways?

[@samuelattas3864]

Keep 'em rolling from the assembly lines, the Ukrainians need 'em. Greetings from a proud Danish tax payer...

[@murmaider2]

Glad to see the military industrial complex is doing well

[@ronnieburgess8060]

Judging by this comment section they have enough blind fanboys to keep the grift going forever 🤯

[@RobWTR]

I was looking for ONE comment like this. At least one person gets it

[@warbydeception3228]

The goal of perpetual war is not to win but to prolong.

[@renefischerbr]

Another war for profit waged by the bourgeoisie and their politician henchmen.

[@vitsadelhole]

props up the economy and employs tens of millions

[@cheerkidscheerleading4357]

That one picture showed all those shell cases sitting there is there any way to repack those like a regular bullet wouldn't that cut down on production time just wondering

[@Ericaldreen]

as long as war is business it will never end

[@youcantata]

US is making 24,000 shells a month. But Ukraine is using 6,000 shells a day on average. It is just few days worth. The only country other than USA that have mass production capability of 155mm NATO shell in significant number and quality currently is South Korea. South Korea Army is keeping 2+ million 155 shells in reserve stock. South Korea can produce up to 100,000 155 mm shells a month on a moment notice. It is more than combined capability of all European NATO countries (except USA). That is why Korea is called country crazy on artillery, which has long history of artillery. In fact, Korea is second oldest country which used explosives and cannon in war, only next to China. First canon use in naval war.

[@montyalb8788]

Not sure South Korea is all that excited to go into full shell production. There is an economic and geopolitical cost to doing so in such close proximity to Russia's openly close ally North Korea.

[@punav7449]

@@montyalb8788They are the reason they make so many shells lol

[@montyalb8788]

@punav7449 Yes, although it is one thing to have the capacity and another to actually use it. Turning on the war factories causes escalation even if it is not pointed at you. SK is surrounded by non-allies (Japan, China, Russia) and borders the antagonistic NK. In this case, NK has thrown their lot fully in with Russia(and appears to have some role in the conflict) to get an avenue out of crippling sanctions (which it already has to some extent.) So, NK can take the action as acting significantly against its interests. There is a chance that NK will start something on the border in exchange for open trade relations with the Russia and black market expansion with China. And, SK has a deep distrust of Japan, and the US naval fleet no longer has reliable supremacy. The last thing South Korea wants is major border skirmishes because even the chance of war would displace the millions of Koreans who live only a few miles from the DMZ.

[@J-IFWBR]

@@montyalb8788 its not so much a factore of security policy, but its moreso a cost factor. South KOrean Workers are hightly skilled professionals, take them out of office and put them into a shell factory, your economy might not like it.

[@montyalb8788]

@J-IFWBR there is that, too. Before Ukraine, SK had slightly positive relations and still has significant industrial ties with Russia and probably wants to keep the door open even now. SK is slightly infamous for condemning Zelensky for provocation at the opening of the war.

[@sniper7.62x51]

Joe's dad told him "some day you'll get 10% of every thing that plant makes"

[@santka3739]

Your doctor just fooling you on it 😝

[@rodneyrangitihirameka]

Hi I Was Wondering If You Could Magnetise The Ammunition War Head For More Accuracy On Metal Target’s?.

[@deathninja16]

military specification is like a flow chart. "Does it go boom? yes? then were taking it?

[@Rusty_119]

Why don’t we use our industrial infrastructure to build bridges, train ways, schools and hospitals?

[@TenebrusI07]

We very well could but politicians would rather use that money to bail out corps and build more 8 lane highways to help out the car companies.

[@user-xe4ck5yn9c]

Потому что ести украина будет оккупирована, Россия на этом не остановится. Думаю вам не понравится распространение красной чумы и возобновление холодной войны как было при ссср.

[@bwhog]

One thing that isn't being discussed is the fact that bullets and artillery need powder (for firing the shell). That, too, has to be a resource that's strained and its also dangerous to make.

[@minimongo2620]

Gunpowder is very cheap and easy to make. It’s just saltpeter (potassium nitrate), sulfur, and charcoal.

[@justinekylledelacruz9511]

​​@@minimongo2620that's black powder, modern gunpowder(smokeless powder) use dangerous chemicals

[@lewisdoherty7621]

​@@minimongo2620 That isn't smokeless powder used in modern equipment - nitro cellulose. The old black powder tends to leave residue and generate so much smoke, it interferes with gun crews. Nitrocellulose is cellulose washed in nitric and sulfuric acid. It isn't that expensive either.

[@karantikoo9302]

​@@minimongo2620lol that's blackpowder... 150 years ago the use ended

[@karantikoo9302]

​@@lewisdoherty7621correct...

[@user-ec9mt6kk4c]

Peace is the way forward.

[@SheeshFarms]

We didn’t borrow shells from S Korea, we just moved over them from storage there. They’re America’s shells.

[@Hello-oe7wg]

America doesn't lend south korea their shells its shells produced in south korea Think about it the country produces 100,000 shells a month why should it need to borrow shells from america?

[@MetaView7]

Imagine the great things that can be done with these resources.

[@user-bq3bf5ev6v]

Yes you're right but the majority of westerners' imaginations stop at how to create more killing and how to transfer more money to the wealthy whom they complain about non stop. The west are war pigs full stop.

[@warbydeception3228]

Well at least we can blow people up more efficiently and with SPEED

[@mishaparem]

Apparently, US politicians think dying Ukranians and Russians, is one of those "great things".

[@danhanson1776]

Exactly thank you. To murder people efficiently is key and the US is so talented and amazing frankly. What a beautiful country

[@TeddyRenson47]

Imagine if the world and all countries came together like in Independence Day the possibilities for the future would be endless we could have the technology and infrastructure to build anything and have a sustainable future

[@MoringAfterStar]

can we just appreciate the video tracking on the Javelin missile? that was the first time I've seen a camera keep steadily following a missile while it travels. i mean ya making ammo cool, but the computer systems and technology to track something going faster than the speed of sound and make it look stationary? DAMN!

[@nuraweyteh3164]

Relax that was CGI and not another missile filming it.

[@MoringAfterStar]

@@nuraweyteh3164 really? I've been looking at the military tracking technology and I wouldn't be surprised if it was real.

[@KhlaBaiTong]

So amazing 💪💪💪

[@alexbuss3377]

I’m not really opposed to the US sending stuff it doesn’t use anymore, a lot of it has been older ammunition and older versions of stuff we currently use.

[@astemet]

they will make peace in weeks, if there is no weapons production... it was proven

[@Smos233]

I find it funny when people get so up in arms about the amount of money we sent. They dont realize that that's mostly just the total value of equitment we've sent. And it hardly scratches the surface of our military stock pile.

[@alexbuss3377]

@@Smos233 a good chunk of the money is also humanitarian aid.

[@Memeguppy]

​@@alexbuss3377Nah the european union does the humanitarian and the usa does the weapons that was the deal

[@whiskeymonk4085]

You sound like the type of person who thinks inflation is a good thing.

[@innaopal8344]

Thank you, America, for helping us, Ukrainians, to fight the evil empire! God bless the US!

[@PashaSlavaUkraine]

Thank you it’s these guys making freedom be free

[@user-zj5fm4kt8l]

One statement was less than complete. The shells can explode on impact, but also about 20 meters above ground level, the most common variety. Or high in the air as an illumination round for night firing. This is a very useful multipurpose caliber (even including back in the 60's and 70's an atomic version).

[@tonywood3660]

Ah the multipurpose murder weapon. Proudly brought to you by the good old US of A, leaders in the death and destruction business.

[@fkboyStalin]

god bless the atomic army

[@Svensk7119]

The fuse is what dictates when and how it explodes. Impact fuses are less expensive, as airburst, reliable airburst explosive fuses require radar. That also means semi-rare earths, aka more expensive materials. Add to that a more complicated design.

[@pstewart5443]

VT in effect. Was always one of my favorites to call in.

[@kishascape]

Airburst rounds are completely different stock all together and "illumination rounds" are giant flares that are a completely different non-weapon thing.

[@cybershadow]

“All war is a symptom of man's failure as a thinking animal.” ― John Steinbeck

[@ZM-kulashi]

Tell this to mr. Putin

[@pkfan5112]

Great, the whole world is supporting Ukraine.

[@alldecentnamestaken]

An important note about the cluster munitions and UXO: Ukraine is already the most heavily mined country on the face of the earth which will need years of de-mining efforts. Adding some UXO from cluster munitions won't really change that.

[@salokin2410]

Tell that to the kids that try to touch them. Don’t defend use of cluster munitions, it’s criminal for both sides to use those weapons.

[@sedwards3995]

is that what NPR told you when it was defending american aggression and corporate interests? dog of the state.

[@jamess.931]

@@salokin2410 I agree it sucks but it is the one weapon that will help Ukraine win period, we have so many stock piled and everywhere they are using them is already heavily mined so they will be restricted areas after the war no matter what

[@julianbransky7168]

@@salokin2410 Criminal you say? Tell you what- if you convince russia to leave Ukraine and stop killing its citicens I am sure Ukraine will abandon the use of cluster munitions. By the way- russia uses cluster munitions to kill Ukrainians!!! It amazes me that people like you pretend to know what is best for Ukraine. If Ukraine itself wants these cluster munitions who are you to know better than them?!? Or are you just another russian bot who oposes cluster munitions because it helps Ukraine? Thank you, USA for providing means to defend Ukraine!!!

[@julianbransky7168]

@@jamess.931 Thank you!!!

[@TroPy1n]

Just like before WW2, an amazing sleeping industrial giant. The year after the Pearl Harbor attack, they could mass produce pretty much anything needed in war, from tanks to planes to ships. Read that in the year following the Pearl Harbor attack, they produced more ammo in a year then they did in all their wars since they declared their independence from Britain

[@c1ph3rpunk]

Problem: we’ve all but completely lost the industrial base, talent & experience workers. Prior to WW2 America manufactured things, NAFTA started the death spiral for that in the 90’s.

[@MasterGhostf]

@@c1ph3rpunk not really, it was really shipping things to china. Under reagan and nixon, we started to lose manufacturing as unions started to lose power and couldn't keep manufacturing here. Coupled with the impossibility of going bankrupt on student loans, the expansion of FAFSA which made it easier for students to go to college but those workers are no longer in manufacturing. NAFTA is honestly good as mexico and canada are the US's closest neighbors and some of the best allies.

[@GaminHasard]

After fall of Berlin Wall, usa should have massively sized down their military and not have entered two stupid wars. So much capital and talent saved and could be put into other use. When in war. USA would have scaled up massively anyway. And leap frogged over others in new systems. When needed.

[@user-yp9nz6bs9q]

@@c1ph3rpunk Not in Scranton PA

[@fg6721]

Yes, and US is still just a kid in the history

[@BaltimoreActual]

That’s one place you can work and know you’ll have job security for the rest of your life.

[@MASAKA18]

The head of the NATO military committee, Admiral Rob Bauer, announced the current prices of conventional artillery 155-mm ammunition, which can really just shock. Because according to him, now their price is 8000 thousand euros for one piece of ammunition. 🤣🤣🤣

[@ealiasnazir]

Glad to see the Military Industrial Complex still surviving in these tough times

[@Steven-mm7gb]

your tax dollars at waste...ahhh i mean work...

[@warbydeception3228]

Need to make up for those 155 shells we donated to the Taliban. Don’t want the MIC to go hungry.

[@TroPy1n]

Also, "ultima ratio regum". Final argument of the King. Keeping your cannons fed is vital

[@safe718]

Always helping others but never your own

[@rh81454]

Remember its socialism if we get help but its democracy we're fighting for so therefore it aint socialism to help the pathetic European nations lol. We just need a dictator at this point. Screw this globalist bs.

[@Bigrig90]

That was super cool

[@matthoffman8162]

Forging is a very "cool" manufacturing process. That dude is extremely brave rocking a white shirt on the floor.

[@notreallydavid]

Really informative, well made vid. Thanks for posting.

[@HumanBeingsRThinkingBeings]

Mind Begs the Question: If deploying Weapons,Mercenaries At USA doorstep(Cuba) - Not Allowed At Russia doorstep(Ukraine) - Allowed Democracy,Imperialism?

[@Oblivisci........]

​@HumanBeingsRThinkingBeings It's okay Ivan go collect your rubles. They aren't worth much anymore, though! 🤡🤡🤡

[@notreallydavid]

@@HumanBeingsRThinkingBeings Check meaning of 'begs the question' - it doesn't mean 'prompts the question'.

[@gargoyle7863]

I'm not concerned about empty shelves in NATO arsenals: due to Russias "distraction", losses and depletion of its own supply there will be enough time to restock. Production is ramped up in all NATO countries. On the long run the investment in upscaled and modernized production is a gain of security for NATO.

[@ccreature7086]

I agree its good for NATO long-term, but ruzzia isn't the only possible threat...🤔

[@gargoyle7863]

@@ccreature7086 But they are more of a naval and air threat. No big depletion of NATO arsenals in this regard. Instead the spleepy part of NATO woke up (p.e. Germany) and taking investments here more serious as well.

[@boycottnok1466]

​@@gargoyle7863Russian artillery production is more than Nato and US combined. So nothing is changing. Russia is outproducing all type of ammunitions. Russia won't share any details outside though.

[@maxklinger1494]

@@ccreature7086 true that, but the only realistic foe with comparable capabilities to US and NATO is China. And the most likely war scenario with China is over Taiwan, where the main type of ammo won't be 155mm, given the nature of the battlefield.

[@gargoyle7863]

@@boycottnok1466 Maybe. Maybe not. I trust US industries more than Russia's.

[@wierification]

I remember riding around this building as a kid. It was empty.

[@MarkGeraghty]

The expertise in this comments section is just mind blowing. If all the brains on here were helping, the war would be over in seconds.

[@nicholaspayne349]

The 155 mm shells are not filled with TNT anymore. 7 marines were killed in a explosion in Nevada, after that they came up with a new less shock sensitive explosive to fill the shells. They fill them with 24 lbs of IMX-101

[@ScarletEdge]

I think they called it "TNT" because everyone understand what TNT is, while only experts and people with interest in it would understand IMX-101. Peace.

[@sskuk1095]

Have they already switched the production over to IMX entirely?

[@justmert2512]

They still fill them with tnt...tnt is cheaper, easier, and faster to pour then IMX

[@justmert2512]

​@sskuk1095 no they are still being produced with tnt or imx

[@Sirithil]

@@sskuk1095 Not entirely but some IMX shells have already made it to Ukraine.

[@AlbertZonneveld]

At least ten factories in the world make 155mm shells and all of them have upped their production rate and the US have a new factory being build that produces a lot faster than the current factory.

[@gloomy5487]

The US has not built and will not build any new factories because the military industrial complex will not invest in things that would incur a loss overall. The US has the highest production rate of any NATO countries yet it could only produce puny amount of what is needed. Now imagine Germany and the rest of the countries in the alliance, they produce incomparably far less. This is why Ukraine could never win.

[@AlbertZonneveld]

@@gloomy5487 Just Rheinmetall in Germany can produce 450.000 155mm shell a year and is increasing production to 600.000. Europe will be producing more than 1 million shells a year by the end of this year

[@gloomy5487]

@@AlbertZonneveld Russia fires 20k shells per day, that is 600k a month. So even through until the end of 2024, Ukraine will suffer from ammunition shortage. You need to understand that after around 1.5 years, Ukraine has suffered an estimated 400k KIA (43k KIA within two months of the counteroffensive) and multiples of that wounded, bringing total casualty number for Ukraine to well over a million. Meanwhile, Russian has suffered incomparably less despite having 7 times the population (20 million Ukrainians have fled). We know this is fact because from reports coming from people like Patrick Lancaster, we still have mobilised brigades from way back February 2022 still fighting on the frontline. This is a massive contrast to Ukraine, whose frontline soldiers are always freshly conscripted with no experience. Can Ukraine suffer another 400k KIA? Do you care at all? WW2 seemed to happened so long ago yet Germany is still supporting NAZIs.

[@beastmode6225]

@@gloomy5487Patrick Lancaster is already proven to be a fraud and puppet he is receiving funds by govt to portray Russia as good guys. As for your nazi claims Igor girkin who lead the rebel movements in 2014 admitted on his own telegram the whole invasion/war of Ukraine was fabricated by Russia pre 2014 to regain old Soviet land and vital port cities to cripple Ukraine never about nazis or protecting ethnic Russians not only that but girkin confirmed that the so called rebels majority of them where undercover Russian army. What a coincidence prigozhin said the same thing this was was never about nazis or protecting ethnic Russians

[@andreagallo6224]

@@gloomy5487 you are just picking the numbers directly from the kremlin (43k casualties in the counteroffensive? give us a break). Patrick lancaster is a clown and data provided by him cannot be trusted. you should have just said you are a supporter or Russian imperialism

[@thedailyvlogger5366]

You heard Scranton and thought of the office.

[@wafu6058]

That’s 8.8 million dollars of 155mm rounds shot EACH Day. EDIT: I don't think this is a bad thing. This is a lot of money for any individual person, but in a war and for what we are able to do to Russia in the grand scheme of things this is chump change to be honest.

[@fleekrushyt9410]

No, 5000 to 6000 shells include 152mm and 122mm, which is manufactured by Ukraine itself and other eastern countries like Bulgaria.

[@VinhNguyen-wk5qz]

If the 8000 shells are all equipped with the GPS system (the 100k per shell), then it would cost 800 million dollars. Thats even crazier

[@tommygun5038]

​@@VinhNguyen-wk5qz....No Excalibur shells are a very low percentage of what's being used.

[@trader2137]

8.8m is nothing, whole war in ukraine so far costed like 50 billion, thats about 7.5% of yearly US military spending, its very beneficial for the west to prolong the war and bleed russia

[@thomasthereal4067]

@@trader2137 exactly, thank you! And it's not like the US is the only one supporting UA. The entire west is helping. By depleting our stockpile we also deplete the stockpile of our political enemies. Since the west is so so much better off economically than russia, this is a war, that we will win.

[@HoustonTexasAMG]

I work where we have our ammo stored.. we are good 👍 no worries

[@elnet1]

Are you at Hawthorne Army Depot (HWAD)?

[@raomuhammadusama9244]

World: WW3 US: It’s business time

[@tigrisbrizs2440]

It is good business for US. And it is is answer for all.

[@k53847]

In 1995 the GAO wrote "The five plants to remain active (Iowa, Lone Star, Milan, Crane, and Pine Bluff) have a combined capacity to load, assemble, and pack 867,000 artillery projectiles a month during three 8-hour shifts each day for 5 days a week."

[@philipcramer940]

But the only active shell plant left in the states is in Scranton Pa. It takes more then just adding shifts to increase capacity. You literally have to build more factory, add all the necessary furnace's and forming machines. More robots, train new personnel. The list goes on and on. They are now producing 20,000 a month. That's pretty damn good

[@k53847]

@@philipcramer940 We are up to 1/40th of what the Army said we needed in 1995. Which would barely be enough. Isn't our exquisitely optimized and efficientized industrial base wonderful? Next let's talk about how many Patriots missiles we build per month vs 160/month that 2 batteries in Ukraine fire.

[@Quickshot0]

@@k53847 One can probably argue at length why letting production drop this far was a mistake. But for now the good news is that this is finally politically and militarily realized and large production increases for many military weapons are being done in the USA and Europe. Production for the coming years seems set to increase by quite a bit.

[@k53847]

@@Quickshot0 Well, yes, but in 2028 we'll still be at 10% of 1995 rate. Ukraine wants 20,000/rds day. The US fired 90,000 rounds in 2.5 hours attacking Iraq. So it's still completely inadequate even if they carry out the plan till 2028.

[@Quickshot0]

@@k53847 Possibly the case, though since then various kinds of guided weapons including more precise artillery have become a thing. So I suppose one could argue this some what reduces the need for quite as much fire rate as they used during the Cold War era... well maybe. How this works in practice isn't entirely clear. The modern comparison case for this would be Ukraine I guess, and it seems to achieve fairly reasonable effect at current rates, though obviously ell short of what they want, with the modern more precise artillery. And there Ukraine's usage rate is far below USA 1995 rates I'd cautiously mark this down as precision probably allowing one to get away with a fair bit less production at least. Another thing to note is, is that those 90,000 rounds from the Gulf War probably include all types of rounds, so including for instance mortar rounds, and this video of course is only covering 155 mm production. So total ammo production is actually higher, though still rather slow compared to 1995, yes.

[@amigatommy7]

My father worked as a 'contract negotiator' for the defense dept/army for a long time. A government 155mm plant was on the base he worked at too. Interesting work.

[@danielcaldwell1110]

Interesting? Lmao. For a stone, yes.

[@wakeupamerica2024]

Government doesn't produce their own ammunition. It is done by contractors. Tax dollars funneled through private enterprises.

[@D-E-S_8559]

@@wakeupamerica2024 So called "contractors" have ONLY one customer, the govt----stupid does, stupid gets!

[@wakeupamerica2024]

@@D-E-S_8559 what you are saying is that the contractors ARE the government? So all the tax money going to "contractors" is fraud/waste/abuse since they are making billions in profits?

[@guyintenn]

@@wakeupamerica2024 The contractors are definitely not "the government" but the plant they are contracted to operate is. The Scranton Army Ammunition Plant (SCAAP) is a United States Army Joint Munitions Command (JMC). It is owned by the U.S. Army and operated under contract by General Dynamics-Ordnance and Tactical Systems.

[@shahkhan6713]

Going to war not knowing you can fulfill the needs is a rookie at work

[@MrP-zt5rn]

This is very interesting

[@USA-RIG-WELDER]

I still can't believe after all the wars over lifetimes that there is still wars happening. Why can't we all get along already

[@IrishArchives]

We can get along if Russia stops invading its neighbours

[@revanthganesh3808]

Yes.. Im so disappointed with ourselves!

[@ninja.saywhat]

no war's happening in your lifetime? where's the fun in that? 😏

[@Atlas_Summit]

Conflict is just part of who we are, there will never be an end to war.

[@revanthganesh3808]

@@Atlas_Summit There will be an end to War if We change and become Sensible enough

[@accountthatillusetocomment3041]

I feel like the industrial military complex is so underrated.

[@lifevest1]

I have to say. Unlike Russia’s which appears to have pissed away a lot funding via corruption, the US’s really delivered. Yes we joke about not having healthcare and all that, but atleast the trillions we spend, it really shows.

[@LukesPersonalChannel]

JFK won't make that mistake again!

[@aberba]

You Americans have never witnessed war so you keep wishing for senseless initiatives of war. Destroying other countries for profit

[@far_centrist]

It's a racket.

[@peterclarke3020]

And has anyone asked the to increase production ? It would seem that they need to increase production by about 8 times.

[@sophiasocal68]

During the Gulf War 1991 we saw ammunition from WWII and Vietnam surface from storage. When we need it, it appears.

[@martyporter1306]

Well they wanted to use that up before it became useless or a liability to use.

[@che8866]

Magic

[@thomasbelz1352]

No way that man told me efficiency is key to speed 🤯

[@MrColins710]

USA thanks for the support! Ukrainians appreciate this help. We must stop Russian terror.

[@user-do7nm3ik4n]

Canada needs a decent factory like that. Enough to produce 1 million rds a year and artillery weapons various typesof howitzers

[@arnoldvezbon6131]

Canada can't even recruit soldiers. No man wants to go to the feminist army lol.

[@guigui15g]

The Truck with the artillery is the Ceasar, it came from french army, they are super super strong

[@melonshop8888]

BOOMING BUSSINESS as USUAL 🤑🤑🤑

[@radharamandwivedi7609]

When more than half of the world is living in poverty, lack of education and healthcare. Countries are spending so much money and resources on war. Kudos to human life on earth! I know that many countries in the world are cruel and want to harm everyone but would it not be better if we all lived life happily and simple but I think its nature of people to do war.

[@pavol4989]

👏👏👏👏👏👏👏🏆🥂

[@brinkee7674]

Those shells cost more than $800. It's more like $6000 to $8000

[@crush3095]

such beautiful shells

[@Awcrap56]

Hate to see what you are hunting

[@donaldhollingsworth3875]

The rounds are filled with compensation B explosive not TNT. Only shells that use point detonating or delay fuses have a TNT charge. Time or altitude detonating fuses which makes you to remove the TNT charge. I would love to know how to apply for a job in the 155mm factor since I was in artillery in the Marine Corps but we had 8" self propelled howitzers.

[@wildbill6976]

TNT hasn't been used since the 80's, They started phasing out Comp B in the early 2000's, shells these days are mostly IMX (Dinitroanisole, Nitrotriazolone, & Nitroguanidine)

[@donaldhollingsworth3875]

Thank you for the updated information. I'll have to try to keep that in mind. Did they start phasing out the Comp B shells when they starting using the new M777 howitzers? When I was in the Marine Corps, we had the self propelled M109 & 8" howitzers , I believe it was named the M110, but I usually get the correct numbers wrong, along withe the M198, & the 105mm howitzers. Till this day before the large budgets in the 1980's, which gun was the funnest gun to shoot. Either the 8" or the 105mm.

[@Craig-fl8jj]

Do we always help nazis?

[@Turbo.11]

Thanks for your support ! UA

[@sebnet3946]

nice to see multiple time in this video the caesar in action

[@seanplays16]

how much for the big guy again??

[@drmodestoesq]

Putin? In this case he would get nothing. He only gets bribed by Russian contractors.

[@mickromer6199]

Man i thought 223 prices were getting out of hand 😂

[@leeroyjenkins3677]

You’re welcome. Courtesy of American tax dollars that have no say in where their money is wasted

[@andypozuelos1204]

Crazy they could build a liberty ship in 3 days back in 1944, and now it takes that long to build a metal husk. Modern weapons are unsustainable in attrition warfare. Sure we're not at war and we don't have the desperate factor yet but still you'd think the process would be a bit faster.

[@jamesericpham4139]

After watching this i think it raises alot of questions. Now knowing the amount supplied/used, taking in their use & damage capacity. How many of these are hitting their mark? If efficient how many lives are being taken with this weapon alone? If so is the usage of this amount of shells exceptable?

[@yf-zp5zf]

@@skubisan Twice for Russia he just said 🤣

[@bernardedwards8461]

In that case the Russians must be rotten shots, because they fire 7 0r 8 times the number of shells tht the ukes do, but according to you they miss nearly every time. How do you know?@@skubisan

[@by_sd]

​@@skubisana lot of projectiles reach their target. As of November 11, 2023, the losses of the Russian army amount to 350,000 people. Just think about it, Russia does not spare its people. The shells that our partners give us reach their target by 70%. The effectiveness of weapons is very high.

[@vanderumd11]

​@@skubisanyou know they are not being honest.

[@valleyboy314]

@@bernardedwards8461 Your numbers are way off. At their peak, Russia was firing between 20K and 40K rounds per day vs Ukrainian shooting of about 8K-10K, at most. Reality is between 2.5x and 4 times, NOT 7-8x and that was then. This is now: Ukrainian's are shooting (slightly) more than the Russians, both around 8-9K per day, with US and other NATO factory ramping up. In one case, from 8K to 10K to 25K to 85K per month. And that is just one factory.

[@nickmanning3913]

I guess we should be buying stocks in these shells while at the same time paying for them with our taxes?

[@Traveler_SF]

I think those that make decisions don;t pay taxes ... But for Sure I do :) ... I wonder how many I paid for and where the money went ? Someone is driving a new tesla from my part ;)

[@clocksurfer]

Yes. That's how the rich get richer.

[@patriotalbanian3205]

@@Traveler_SF you are serb taliban not American

[@Phonsuk]

​@@Traveler_SFthe decision makers just want to continue this war as long as possible for profit.

[@Traveler_SF]

@@patriotalbanian3205 or a bot ?