This WW2 Military fighting system was intense!!! - Gutterfighting

[@SoldierDrew]

I had the privelage of learning WWII gutterfighting from a decorated WWII veteran when I was in highschool. Before I joined the military. There's more to the system they were taught than what's published in the civilian books by fairbairn which he published for income when he was suffering financial problems. There was actually some old school judo takedowns incorporated in with the unarmed strikes, knife attacks, stick attacks and sand bag attacks. It's not anything you can commercialize because it's a short curriculum that can be taught quickly. A commercial friendly martial art tends to be much more complicated and has years of training to keep students paying their teacher for years. So like BJJ instructors boasting how it takes ten years or more to achieve a first level blackbelt , that's a lucrative industry for unarmed fighting. Hapkido takes many years to achieve a basic first level black belt. Gutterfighting military combatives isn't conducive for commercialization because it can be taught & learned in a relatively short time for military training. Unfortunately I've not met anyone else whom learned it from a decorated WWII veteran but rather everyone today teaching it is only teaching what Fairbairn published in books for civilian consumption to help during his financial struggles. Barry Drennon is perhaps the only civilian publicly teaching it today whose research and presentation is closer to the real thing, but he's unaware of the judo takedowns that were incorporated in WWII military gutterfighting and the low kicks & stomps that were part of the system. Cistari was a student and early teacher of Combato under professor Bradley Steiner of Seattle Washington. I have seen vintage video footage of Cistari wearing a gi with a Combato patch on the uniform and photos of Cestari with Brad Steiner in Seattle. Cestari also visited and learned from former USMC combatives instructor Charley Nelson when Nelson was elderly. The Nelson system was another system taught in WWII to some Marines. While the Biddle system of Anthony Biddle was taught to other USMC units. Jack Dempsey taught during WWII a system mixing Catch Wrestling, Judo and Boxing to the U.S. Coast Guard. U.S. Navy were taught a system based upon Catch Wrestling by a wrestler named Wesley Brown that was called combat judo during WWII. U.S. Army Alamo Scouts and USMC raiders of WWII were taught Japanese Judo. Some U.S. Army Infantry and Airborne Light Infantry units were taught Gutterfighting. As were some U.S. O.S.S. agents. Fairbairn was on loan to the u.s. army where he taught instructors whom disseminated the material to their units. But nothing taught in WWII gutterfighting by Fairbairn wasn't already taught to U.S. Army Infantrymen during the previous WWI by U.S. Army captain Allen C. Smith. . .the true grandfather of modern army combatives in the western world, before Fairbairn ever went to Shanghai. Captain Allen C. Smith was ahead of his time. And was a boxer, Army officer, who became the first american to graduate the kodokan in Japan with a blackbelt in Kano Jiujitsu prior to WWI.

[@OLOHEKAI]

Agree My grandfather basically said the same 🙏🏽

[@stephenrimbach1311]

Yeah I totally agree with this the Todd System in New Zealand teaches it with all the stomping and it is lethal and as I pointed out the SAS love it

[@cfps66]

Hi SoldierDrew, Does anyone teach the whole course or are we only left with what's in his books? Thanks, Chris. CPT Christopher F. Sheridan, 20th SFG (Ret.)

[@patrickh9937]

No hate from me, I recently found your channel and I like it. But I going to give you some mild criticism (constructive, I hope). Do more research. There's a lot of information on Fairbairn available on the web. He did have a fencing background- boxing too. And Cornish collar and elbow wrestling. In Shanghai he added Judo, Sikh wrestling (there were many Sikhs on the Shanghai Municipal Police) and trained with the Empress Dowager's bodyguards. The masks in the video are to protect the identities of people at Camp X in Ontario, where he trained Canadians as well as American OSS operatives. He had previously set up the commando and SOE training course at Achnacarry, along with his friend Eric Sykes. The masks are probably also a little theatrical flair from a man who called himself "Mr Murder-Made-Easy" In Shanghai he also started and ran the Riot Squad, where he pioneered SWAT tactics that are still in use. All this info is pretty easy to find. I hope I'm not coming off like a jerk here; I genuinely like your channel.

[@toddellner5283]

He also studied Ba Gua and other Chinese boxing. Tried everything and kept what worked.

[@CristopherAnderson-pw2mn]

The masks have nothing to do with Camp X, the film clips were shot by director John Ford for the OSS in Area B, Maryland, near present day Camp David

[@Knucky_Sammich]

"Do your worst, fast and first." - Carl Cestari

[@pauloribeiro1303]

Carl Cestari... Legend.

[@Gutterfighting]

Carl Cestari, the BEST!

[@Gutterfighting]

That guy at 15:40 is pretty good, that's because it's myself 😅, I spent 14 years training with Carl Cestari and was his protégé and successor. Just came across your page, best of luck with it. Clint Sporman

[@OLOHEKAI]

Wow, that’s awesome Clint! You had an awesome teacher! Aloha from Hawai’i 😎🤙

[@bmledoux]

@@Gutterfightingwas hoping youd chime in

[@johnredmon6762]

The voice-over on the sports scenes explains that sportsmanship is not appropriate on the battlefield. That the enemy will give no breaks and that it is "kill or be killed".

[@inside_fighting]

Well that explains it well

[@OLOHEKAI]

Yes, my grandfather trained with him and mentioned how the analogy of athletics was utilized in the training where you do want the drive and the fitness but not the gentlemanly factor. It is also notable that Fairbairn was very conservative in his language and never swore. They called him “The Deacon”

[@OLOHEKAI]

My grandfather trained with him so I know the story behind the Lone Ranger masks. That training film was made at Camp X in Eastern Canada for Allied Agents such as the OSS and commandos. The trainees all wore masks to protect their identities and many were enrolled in the program under aliases to protect their families

[@kubikiribasara3499]

You have wonderful insight, Eli. You are right, this system was not meant to "win a UFC championship." It was meant to teach soldiers to fight for their lives in two months or less and send them out with a rifle and gear.

[@inside_fighting]

Thank you 🙏🏼 glad you liked the video

[@johnredmon6762]

Knowing what you're training for and devising methods to overlearn the necessary principle tactics is very important. I heard a story once about a marine in the South Pacific who came face to face with a Japanese infantryman. He was thrown very quickly and found himself in the grip of a "naked strangle" and he reflexively tapped. To his surprise, the Japanese soldier let go of him, he spun around and killed him with his knife. He said that the Japanese was by far his superior in budo, but his training cost him his life.

[@jamesnevitt3400]

If you noticed most of his knife strikes and empty hand strikes comes from his hips and underneath the attackers line of sight they wont even see it comming.

[@jonhstonk7998]

Man what you said about eye jabbing is true: I practice a lot of combat sports and martial arts one of them being a Okinawan style of Karate(Goju ryu) and I was taught some Atemi waza technique and really drilled them to muscle memory, a while ago I went to fight a amicable mma sparring match with a good friend of mine and as the mma gloves were different from the boxing gloves I’m used to wearing when hard sparring(boxing and Muay Thai are the other striking styles I practice) i just defaulted to the eye gauge and accidentally eye jabbed my opponent, I apologized and paused the match till he got the eye cleaned and we could resume but muscle memory is absolutely a thing and eye jabbing isn’t hard to do when you know what you’re doing and have drilled it at the end of every training day together with the other drills… Also yeah military combative systems are very straightforwards and easy to pick up and learn fast which is definitely one of their stronger points.

[@dx5soundlabs939]

I've always said the lack of small joint manipulation in BJJ and most other grappling arts is the absolutely biggest glaring weakness these arts have. I have escaped God knows how many submissions by finding a finger or thumb, bending and twisting. It really can, if done well, put the complete brakes on a lot of grappling/submission techniques. Really love your videos, even if i feel like kenpo didnt quite get a fair shake 😂😂

[@junichiroyamashita]

Small Circle Jiu Jitsu is famous for their finger techniques. Chinese Chin Na too has techniques using and targeting fingers,depending on style.

[@khublieoldschoolgamer5737]

The actor Christopher Lee, would have been taught a lot of this during his time in the SOE behind enemy lines through WW2, that knife he uses in the demos is regarded as one of the most effective CQC weapons even to this day.

[@ravdobikjarb93]

Was this a treat? Yes, yes it was. Thank you. Great stuff. Great inclusion of the kung fu San Soo marine doing the eye gouge. “Chin jabs” and eye gouges are under appreciated especially for those critiquing arts that do use them for the simple reason that they are used in martial arts that aren’t about sparring and thus a loss of translation and transferability.

[@inside_fighting]

Agreed. It certainly makes a difference in a life or death situation to have them in your wheelhouse

[@SoldierDrew]

That wasn't a Marine. It was a former U.S. Army S.F. group member fighting another Soldier in Latin America who challenged him online.

[@ravdobikjarb93]

@@SoldierDrew Thanks for the correction. Either way effective.

[@everything_mania]

The guy he is doing his moves on at 10:38 is Rex Applegate, the author of "Kill or Get Killed." Also, these systems were never meant to be "fighting" systems, they were meant to be "survival" systems. They were taught to OSS Agents and others who might get caught behind enemy lines.

[@RichardFay]

There were a lot of different military combatives developed during the war, some based on wrestling or boxing, and often including some judo or old style ju jitsu (not BJJ). You might look into Dermot O'Neill, another veteran of the SMP; he's the man who trained the Devil's Brigade. But the most important point - which I think you nailed - these weren't sport systems. Shanghai was possibly the most dangerous city in the world before WWII and Fairbairn was in the thick of it, and during the war he was training soldiers and secret agents. As you said, they didn't have time to become masters and didn't need to be, they needed to survive.

[@SoldierDrew]

O'Neil based his system on what he called Chinese foot fighting

[@7woundsfist]

This used to be classified back in the day. It's the same as a pixilated face on SF guys nowadays.

[@Coffeeanddonuts]

Reminds me of Okinawan Karate eye gouges weapons scary stuff

[@roballington2319]

Great. There are a number of other ww2 combatives including combat judo and a program by Jack Dempsey. It is amazing how great a lot of good ww2 systems were including FMA taught to US troops and Italian knife fighting. Thanks for posting

[@beyondthestaticnoise]

I am very happy that you covered Gutterfighting. I practice JKD and HEMA and stumbled on this awhile back. It's cool.

[@inside_fighting]

The name alone makes it worth discussing

[@BMO_Creative]

Dude was scary and is the real deal! Great tribute video to him!

[@elindioedwards7041]

Years ago I attended a week long Police Academy training block. One of those days was spent on 'defensive tactics'. I made the mistake of telling the instructor that I had a martial arts background and sort volunteered to be his demonstration dummy. He was versed in Gutter Fighting and I recall an extremely painful day of small joint locks, hair pulling, testicle, eye, and throat strikes (BET). When combined with someone who is accustomed to resistance and timing from combat sports the result should be someone very able to handle themselves.

[@inside_fighting]

Sounds like you had a good time being the Uke :)

[@giqwaju3691]

Black Entertainment Television throat strikes? Damn!

[@elindioedwards7041]

@giqwaju3691 I thought the same thing at first. A friend of mine who is into bagua and tai chi uses the term 'BET' as an acronym for balls, eyes, and throat.

[@TradingClub.]

This comes back to Urban Combatives style which is solid for pre emptive striking if you mess up the first strike now its a mma street fight, i think Dutch Muay Thai is the best Striking and a Kudo Black Belt level skills. Now i haven't tried the full face helmet but i thinks its Amazing because you can practice full contact what actually works with out getting long term head trauma damage. needs more padding on back and need to go no gi, no time limit ​@inside_fighting

[@M_K-Bomb]

@@elindioedwards7041 Thanks, I didn't know what that stood for. I assumed it was a self-defence system that's out there.

[@uscotty393]

Great video! You had my attention as soon as I heard 'Gutter fighting'. I've read about William A. Fairbairn before and he sounds like a hell of a man. Thanks for this.

[@jbouse64]

You should really look up this man's connection to Baguazhang. One of the baddest men he ever met was a student of Yinfu according to him. The Baguazhang of the past was more brutal than the dance seen today.

[@junichiroyamashita]

I have seen a video on Kuro Obi world about Song Li demonstrating Bagua,that lady is vicious,as the art is.

[@delancyj67]

The man at 12:01 teaches Gutterfighting at H2H protocol. You can see more of his videos on KZbin. What is specified is not technique but opportunity. Each successful move opens the opponent to an even deadlier move.

[@SoldierDrew]

Barry Drennon

[@toddellner5283]

Programs like this give you the biggest return on resources. The correct mindset. Simple techniques which are effective at disabling under a wide range of conditions in situations the trainee is likely to encounter. Familiar, standard weapons. And the whole thing leverages what the student brings to the party already - aggression, strength, and good conditioning. Spending fifteen years of repetition, sparring, multiple prize fights, changing up your game to optimize your personal performance, and being a professional gladiator with exceptional physicality who does nothing else will obviously get you further. But you start hitting diminishing returns on your time and money, especially when every hour you spend on hitting and wrestling takes away from your primary tasks. This is how to give a soldier the greatest increase in his chances of survival for a limited investment of time and money.

[@lewisb85]

I worked with the BRA (british resistance archive) it's the historical society which part of its role is preserving this, the factor people forget with defendu is the whole point of it is to train soldiers how to kill on a short training time. I mean ive done over 10 years of krav maga and kapap however, the commandos defendu was being taught to might only have 12 weeks.

[@inside_fighting]

Yes i mention that in the video :)

[@SoldierDrew]

Defendu was the system taught to Shanghai police officers. Gutter fighting was the system taught to military.

[@lewisb85]

@@SoldierDrew BRA refer to it as defendu, as they are the actual historical society I'll go with what they said.

[@sabby88888888]

Love that you showed the video of that kung fu guy eye jabbing that dude 😄

[@johnnymism]

Very good video. There's training in martial arts, and there's this real violence . People can do both in their systems but even when they do it fails as it relies on one party to comply with no resistance. It does what it says on the tin so long as you learn to die constantly by failing in the training so that you can stop, discuss, and learn to change.

[@luxurybuzz3681]

Please review "How To Fight Tough" by Jack Dempsey Jack Dempsey, the champion Boxer, developed a Combatives Program during WW2.

[@huwhitecavebeast1972]

That guy was a tough SOB

[@mehdin.fazlic8619]

Charles Wingate was his companion in this time who became important for later KAPAP what later become KM The Winate institute was named after him . Reguards and all the best for u and your channel .

[@josephtucker7397]

Hey Ilan, I love your opening song! It's pretty catchy! Does Égard sponsor your channel?😊 I have your Phantom Steel. My favorite time piece. Go Inside Fighting! Go ÉGARD!!

[@inside_fighting]

Thanks man!!! So glad you know about the brand 🙏🏼 the Phantom is one of my favorites as well to be honest. I sometimes post Egard ads here 😅

[@mizukarate]

Honestly the books like Get Tough and Defendu are worth reading. It can be a good supplemental or secondary system to explore.

[@glockster68]

plus he had a nice blade named after him...

[@OLOHEKAI]

Agree!!! 😎🤙

[@davidyoung745]

Sorry, no hate to leave here. It was a good break down of the system without making a really deep dive. My Dad was a soldier in the U.S. Army 1st Infantry Division from Feb’41 until Oct’45 , so this was actually my first exposure to martial arts as a kid. And it’s still a great intro for someone who wants to learn to defend themselves without committing to a long term of training. You can literally learn all the basics in a few hours and then refine them on your own over time. But it does have limitations, like everything else. Good job.

[@inside_fighting]

Much appreciated. Your dad sounds like he was quite the bad ass warrior

[@davidyoung745]

Dad was pretty special to me, but to hear him and all his veteran friends talk they were just average guys doing a job. If you asked him about the war he was more likely to tell you about seeing a camel train in Morocco or meeting British soldiers in the hospital with accents so thick it took him a few days to get to where he understood them.@@inside_fighting

[@benoboe]

If I’m recalling correctly, the entire course was 6-ish weeks, and the combatives was just small portion of that. We’re talking a very short period of time. Not sure that that was made clear. Otherwise, excellent video and great points made. My favorite line in his book Get Tough was “If you have a gun, shoot him.”

[@gw1357]

Fairbairn drew a lot on southern kung fu (that's where the chin jab/tiger claw came from) and a lot from judo. There's a lot of judo-derived stuff on throwing from the clinch followed by finishing on the ground. They're wearing masks in the training video because the guys in the training videos are actual British Special Ops Executive (the British equivalent of the American OSS) and they're protecting their identities. Krav Maga is a bastard child (I use the term illustratively, not as a pejorative) of the Fairbairn-Sykes method. Krav Maga traces to the system of fighting taught in the Israeli Palmach, which was the special forces component of the Haganah (the Jewish militia in Palestine that became the IDF when Israel was created). The Palmach (founded in May 1941) was originally trained by the British to fight the Axis in North Africa and the Middle East.

[@stephenrimbach1311]

Correct Krav Maga now seems to have been watered down for commercialism

[@everything_mania]

I trained with one of Carl Cestari's students for as number of years. Carl, along with most of his top guys either had black belts in judo, were wrestlers or had boxing experience. He stressed conditioning the hands and as a result, those edge of hand blows did really hurt. The X blocking that you pointed out at the end of the video comes from an old Karate guy named Warren Siciliano. It's something he liked to use when facing someone with a boxing background.

[@brentr926]

Very nice, I especially appreciate the observation that military combatives aren’t a lifetime pursuit, but something to be learned and ingested in a few weeks. MCMAP might be more of a middle ground between combatives like this and “full” martial arts, worth looking into!

[@inside_fighting]

I’ll check it out!!!

[@bronstonmahelona7676]

Honestly MCMAP is kinda garbage compared to other combative systems

[@SoldierDrew]

So is MAC-P. . .which is exponentially better than MCMAP due to the higher focus upon grappling and weapons. . .where MCMAP has a higher focus upon Muay Thai.

[@scottangel6462]

Great video!! As someone who studies this style of close combat I can say it works!! The main thing to remember is that while it has defensive elelments to the system, the main focus is on the offensive, especially when you have to remember action is always faster than reaction. If you act first the oppent is going to have to your see your attack and then go thru the mental process to defend against it and puts them at a disadvantage. One of the hardest things for me was coming from a traditional martial arts background, was the idea of no starting stance persay. Your normal everyday standing is your stance!! There is a reason for this 1. You will not have time to take a so called stance in a reallife situation. 2. If you take a stance then you are giving up your element of surprise there by alerting your opponent and potential onlookers that you are a trained fighter, which can cause the opponent to alter or make there attack more dangerous. With that being said there is a balanced ready "stance" that can be adopted if time is available, very similar to a boxers stance in practice. Hands up and open showing nonviolent intent. This is explained in Col. Rex Applegates book Kill or be Killed. Applegate was the American student who studied under Fairbairn and who helped him train OSS and later Military Intelligence operatives in the war. He is also the one being demonstrated on, in the Zoro mask sequence in the clip you showed, by Fairbairn. The reason this system works is because it is based on Gross Motor Movements, which understress is about all most can accomplish. The mental aspects of Fight, Flight or Freeze apply here. Also because the movements are easily remembered in real life. Once you learn the system you begin to see things that are taught in more traditional martial arts that at first glance are overlooked in such a simple system. I have found many things in my studies of it, that upon reflection are like thats why that was taught that way in say Ju-jitsu for example. Sorry for the long post but it is something that I am passionate about. Thanks again for the Great video!!

[@TonyDowlen]

Canadian special forces trainers use an morden day version of this system. Thank you for your program.

[@jamesnevitt3400]

Bill Wolf Defendo

[@SoldierDrew]

​@@jamesnevitt3400Bill Wolfe is an hapkido instructor and Defendu was a system taught to police in Shanghai for arresting & controlling prisoners while Gutter fighting was taught to military for combat.

[@pendragonfilm]

He knew what he was doing . Go into any school and ask to learn their kill moves ?, that includes most grappling and combat styles . Any move you can do simply and effectively to kill someone immediately , thst should get them thinking even some world champions I know - people train to fight not kill . Firstly under stress like war combat , gross motor skills will take over . Anything complicated will cost you your life . Secondly , you were likely facing an opponent who had gone through basic training not five years in the dojo . The chin jab was used because of helmets , kicks are stomps and boots . Nothing will beat a Sabre grip where the knife is a shield as well as a weapon , it’s easier to learn and master and be competent under extreme stress . . Anyone wanting to know what a knife can do watch a cold steel video where a sharp combat knife will take body parts in a slash and three inches to death with a stab .

[@inside_fighting]

Paul Vunak has an awesome video on it. The chin jab makes more sense with a helmet on.

[@pendragonfilm]

@@inside_fighting speaking of the internal arts Most people laugh but it’s in all styles in you know where to find it - take care and live your videos , Thankyou. kzbin.info/www/bejne/rHavamdpq6lnbZosi=MedmyDfEmWbIXS0h

[@pendragonfilm]

Paul Vunak , Richard Dimitri and the infamous Chris clugston who has some great stuff on KZbin . In the old days they were all distributed by panther productions and you had to buy the mags from paladin press ( there’s a magazine worth a video ) . Even had Australia’s erle Montaigne with the internal arts . I know his son and some of his students and the amount of information they have is extraordinary. The founded the website Taiji world - a huge body of work . Take care

[@luxurybuzz3681]

A simple rear naked choke can kill someone. Any BJJ and Catch Wrestling can kill someone. A hard slam from a Judo throw can seriously injur anyone; There was a recent case of a former Marine killing a homeless man on a train because he held a rear naked choke for too long and he did it with intent.

[@SoldierDrew]

​@luxurybuzz3681 Judo hadaka jime and shime waza can kill. The throws of Judo are meant to be followed up with Judo limb breaking submissions to cripple or judo chokes & strangles to kill. There's also Judo spinal dislocations in old school judo not practiced in most IJF clubs.

[@hankrichardson9057]

When I was in the army we studied hand to hand combat, and their philosophy was there's no rules in war anything goes , kick ,punch, elbows, knees, throw dirt in the eyes, throw rocks , bite plugs of flesh out of them , eye gough, whatever it takes to stay alive. Plus they always had instructors and you could go study after you were off duty for the day in the gyms had many different styles you could study , it's was rough and tough , but hey it's not supposed to be easy your gonna get dinged up and nose busted , lips busted , but it was a good experience, that was in 1999, I don't know how it is now I'm sure certain people still train this way but maybe too through for some .

[@iticotaco5603]

The sports videos im the background were obviously showing how to be loose in the knees to allow for motion, like a skiier

[@محمدالكناني-ق6ب]

All your videos are beautiful and fun. Your channel is considered number one in publishing beautiful videos, especially about the world of martial arts, styles. Your channel is very inspiring.

[@anthonycarlisle6184]

6:26. That is a 1940-60s "mobster" accent, generally derive from new yorkers who had the transatlantic accent and italian accenting too.

[@inside_fighting]

I’m bringing it back in to style

[@anthonycarlisle6184]

Bring it back, yeah see! 😁

[@jacksonbauer5199]

What really impressed me was his body mechanics, footwork and balance. Fairbairn had to have been at least in his late 40’s/early 50’s here, but he is still clearly dangerous (and I think we all hope for that. What good is a man who is no longer dangerous?). Also, I love my smatchet and I own my gratitude to Bill for that as well…

[@inside_fighting]

I hope to be dangerous till I’m dead. I’m in my forties now and don’t feel much different than 20

[@emptyemptiness8372]

His knife is very specific, like a switchblade stiletto, by that I mean a thin narrow sharp blade. Many of his moves are to put the blade point on touch then shift his weight forward and let the blade do the work with the arm held in posture. Frighteningly subtle technique. He uses a lot of sniping only closing to give point.it seems to be a series of knife fighting principles to be learned quickly.

[@alantinoalantonio]

Nice. Cant wait to see this! Thanks, Ilan. 🥋

[@inside_fighting]

Hope you like it!

[@johnredmon6762]

Before I get off here, this is a very interesting and informative channel. Keep it up. There's a lot of information out there and it can inform us in important ways. Thank you.

[@wizardoftas7779]

Just acquired your lesson. Looking forward to sitting down to watch it.

[@stephenrimbach1311]

This system is still being taught to the New Zealand and Australian SAS so it's obviously highly rated. All the attacks are made to the eyes, throat and knees down. It's called the Todd System based in Dunedin, New Zealand it's very practical. If it was inferior the SAS wouldn't rate it so highly

[@HWHY]

Great insight into the differences between learning to fight and learning to kill. Love your videos, some of my favorite on all of YT. Thank you.

[@inside_fighting]

Thanks man! Appreciate the positive feedback

[@huwhitecavebeast1972]

They aren't really different except mentally and degree of polarity.

[@TradingClub.]

Best thing about fairbanks vids and system is that stable lunge front stab but the best blade to do this would be a ......😊

[@thebaneking4787]

Great channel. I love it. Thank you brother.

[@inside_fighting]

Thanks for supporting the channel brother 🙏🏼

[@igs_]

I think that icepick grip in lead hand has applications if you add boxing to it. You basically put a knife on the end of your jab

[@philsuz9649]

knives are used in war because they have too, in the street they are showing fear of the person holding the knife

[@fakefail6346]

Wow you got a good old school video footage..

[@Knucky_Sammich]

You should check out Dom Raso's ARMR-UP combatives. He's a former DEVGRU guy. I believe he trained with Kelly McCann and Lee Morrison, among others. He has some of the best no-nonsense combatives vids out there. He's also into Filipino knife work.

[@luxurybuzz3681]

I know a guy named Worden that was trained by Grandmaster Remas and he used to teach 1st SF Group knife fighting

[@unifedgongfu]

this is like the real Krav Maga, and not the modern civilian BS krav maga. the real goal is to teach aggressiveness, moving forward, engaging in combat and overcome fear of freeze asap.

[@tomtom4405]

Exactly what I thought

[@patrickh9937]

Krav Maga has its roots in this. During the war, Commandoes who had been trained by Fairbairn and Sykes set up a similar course in what was then commonly referred to as Palestine (I'm not trying to wade into THAT). Some future Israeli's went through that course.

[@johnnemo6509]

Good analysis BTW the sports videos were to illustrate two things ...skiing ....keep the knees soft and flexible...Basketball ...keep weight on the balls of the feet. His posture holding the Thompson is very similar to the Peng bou stance in Taichi. Interesting paradox sports can teach martial artists effective biomechanics but the sparring aspect of sports is detrimental to the "Kill or be killed" aspect of fighting for your life. Another influence of his teaching SOE agents was the lack of guard stances; the combative view is that taking a stance as typical in sparring is just warning your opponent and essentially saying "it's your turn" Combative technics are designed to explode out of a neutral non aggressive posture without warning of intention. The intention being to kill or disable the opponent asap to allow escape not get into 3 x 5 minute rounds of give and take mindset. The focus on palm heel and edge of hand strikes was that these weapons require very little conditioning and are relatively hard to damage. The ability to not give away information that you have skills or training before a fight is like hiding the knife....don't show it before you use it. I was on a plane as this big buff guy wearing a T-shirt with "Krav Maga instructor" on the front walked down the aisle...I was thinking "thanks mate! I now know that if for any reason I need to fight you then in need to take you out of the game before you know there is even a game because you're trained and probably better than me in a fair fight" Also check out Aikido master Gozo Shioda's autobiography he was in Shanghai around the same time os Fairbairn and gives accounts of a number of street fights he was in....his account reads much more like combatives than what people think of as Aikido. Respect to all!

[@TradingClub.]

Can you do a video on knife defense because inhave researched some good content to block blades correctly but some like your self who has studied blade arts might have more up to date knowledge on what actually works and obviously need to drill that to get good. The other thing be cool is a video on elite units hand 2 hand Combatives program because ive heard mixed things Hubud Lubud, The Rat System, US marine corp got an ok system, think if you interviewed someone from delta/cag or sad, etc it be a great interview the Ronnin Guy his solid likes Hubid Lubud and good with a blade 👍

[@catocall7323]

Knife defense method 101 Be a better grappler Be bigger better badder Learn to use a knife and spar spar spar Make your peace with, God, Allah, your insignificance or whatever floats your boat. Pray you never put it to the test.

[@SoldierDrew]

The most practical knife combat art is the Redfeather Apache knife method. #FightLikeTheWindApacheKnifeByRobertRedfeather

[@mrblaque215]

Excellent video. I do somewhat disagree about eye jabs being tough to employ. Honestly they are quite effective and high percentage if you execute them from a boxing long guard (or your sphere stance you’ve mentioned previously). The main objective post against your opponent’s jabbing arm or shadow it then quickly fire it quickly in succession until your opponent is off balance or poked in the eye(s). It’s also an effective self defense tactic in order to escape from a confrontation, deploy follow up strikes/weapons, and it also makes you look like less of an aggressor to law enforcement.

[@0713mas]

As always, good stuff!

[@GBlues1]

So….the “chin jab”, the way it was explained to me if done properly with enough force is a kill shot. They say it’s supposed to separate the base of the skull from the spine. Supposedly there was a Mafia Hitman that used this technique with a pretty high success rate. Anyway that’s why WW2 Combatives guys like it so much.

[@nickmccarthy8783]

There is a negative undertone, even though it is subtle.

[@SoldierDrew]

"Eye jabs are almost impossible to pull off." . . .Jon Jones has left the chat.

[@junichiroyamashita]

It makes me wonder,how would someone create a system to train combatives concepts at full speed? I mean a system that would train what is commonly illegal in most combat sports: Targeting(throat,crotch,nape, eyes,mouth,hair...) Gouging and tearing Biting Small joint manipulation Small and improvised weapons

[@anthonyw7237]

In the comments from the sport crowd I always get a laugh. They mention how nice it would be to try techniques out when the other guy is just standing there not fighting back or really moving. My response to that is Yes. It truly is. My last "fight" was several years ago. The guy, who was much larger than I was actually didn't even stand, much less get a chance to hit me. I guess nobody ever saw an average bar fight. Two guys usually exchange insults or threats and then square off and do the " F you no F you" thing. A push or shove them wild swinging breaks out. Not my strategy at all , but that is most fights in a nutshell. I never was one to talk nor square off. Before the pushing ever starts, if I am threatened I will attack immediately. Think Joe Pesci in the movie Casino. The Scene with the pen. Instead of squaring off and talking crap he ended it before any exchange of blows starts. You could wait when approached to try out your grappling skills and ground game in a dark alley when your approached aggressively and see how good you are. Show them how you can take a punch ( hope a knife wasn't in his hand and that was just a fist) maybe you can tap him out. Congrats. The guy that had just told me he going to f me up and put his hands on his stool to get up May have been a black belt in BJJ or a pro boxer. I didn't wait to see. I grabbed the front of his hair and used it to violently yank his head back and slammed the back of his head into the bar. I was following up with an elbow to his very open and exposed throat as my friends grabbed and and pulled me away. The owner had heard the guy yelling before and grabbed a shotgun and went to call the cops as he knew trouble was near. Anyway. We got out of there. I'm not a great fighter. Id lose most boxing matches. I'm damn good at using explosive violent acts I though That's when you can take eyes or use a chin jab or many other techniques .During the verbal stage and before the physical starts. With any experience you can tell when it's about to go down. Attack then. While they turn their head before they strike or prepare to attack, ie-: shift weight, adjust stance, start to raise their hands, puts phone away or hands switches position. Do it then. While they are standing still or starting to get up. It works. Just my experience. Everybody has to do what works for them.

[@stevenwgoode]

100% true.

[@soumikdey7305]

Sir, please make a video on Kalaripayattu. 🙏

[@inside_fighting]

I was just talking about it with my dad!

[@soumikdey7305]

😯 wow! U can talk about martial arts with your dad. I can't. My dad doesn't like martial arts🙁@@inside_fighting

[@mizukarate]

Gross motor movements!!!!

[@mizukarate]

ChinJabMania running wild!!!!!

[@decluesviews2740]

Another interesting video!

[@dababy4182]

Reminds me of when Christopher Lee told Peter Jackson during Lord of the Rings shooting that when his character gets stabbed in the back he would gasp rather than scream... I would never fuck with people like Christopher Lee or the guy in your vid. They've killed people and are a different type of person cuz of that.

[@M_K-Bomb]

On the topic of mixing combat sports with military hand-to-hand combat training. I have heard one of the issues with Krav Maga is the original training was so such a limited about of stuff to learn people have went on to add various stuff to their training and thus it's variations from each other, and watering down of techniques. Also on Krav Maga and seeing how defendu / Fairbairn system defends knives, I see why Krav Maga does the same thing. It's called the 360 defence and it doesn't actually work for defending strikes.

[@mikek8857]

Hello, I saw your video on keysi, would you do one on defence lab, which came from keysi, also what martial arts do you think would work best with this gutter fighting, karate?Wing chun? Keysi?

[@SoldierDrew]

Respectfully, Fairbairn is shimmering the knife just as the commercialized African style that uses a similar movement. Fairbairn is shimmering the blade to trick the eye and make it much harder to see and defend against his attack.

[@yamiyomizuki]

you know a lot of this system was actually based on baguazhang

[@elindioedwards7041]

Those internal Chinese Boxing systems are very nasty when employed by someone who understands the combat aspects. It's not easy to find but they seem like very effective systems for street when done properly.

[@richalan8530]

Yep, I thought that he had taken a fair amount of influence from Chinese martial arts as well. I could be wrong, but I'm sure I read somewhere that he employed a lot of centre line theory as well.

[@donutsndeadlifts]

​@@richalan8530he was the combative instructor for the Hong Kong police and he spent many years in China before the Japanese overran it

[@OllinXiucoatl]

On your point on needing both, I agree wholeheartedly. Sorry for not disagreeing nor sending any hate. Next you should do Tim Larkin’s Target Focus Training.

[@inside_fighting]

:) I accept your desire to not give hate on this video :) I will check out the Target Focused training. It sounds interesting.

[@SoldierDrew]

Tim Larkin , just like the TFT, is a con.

[@dannyharris9897]

Two take aways: 1) you mentioned the different appreciation of power for people that have combat experience. When I was doing Escrima, we focused a lot on "Rolling", which isn't focused on power at all, just flow. The closest was the emphasis on striking with the tip of the stick. 2) Attacking the 👀 eyes. I don't do that, but I realized with this video, it means that I'm also neglecting eye attack defense, which in turn means I'm not considering it as an actual threat. I think 🤔 eye gouging, because of it's level of violence only manifests itself in the kill or be killed mindset. Personally, I don't want to injure anyone, but maybe I should add eye gouge training just to prepare against it?

[@inside_fighting]

it's good to train it by putting on protective eyewear and seeing how much it actually plays a part.

[@restistance4387]

The chin jab,was taught to 1000s of police officers.Back in the day and was Considered to be one of the most affected Technique.People do it wrong.They try to use it like a upper cute.When it is supposed to be used as a pushing movement.

[@inside_fighting]

Yes i noticed they drive out hard with it

[@Dan.50]

Do a segment on Carl Cestari.

[@inside_fighting]

I mention him in the video but don’t go in depth. Maybe he’ll get his own video eventually

[@stuartkelly4812]

YES (please)

[@Knucky_Sammich]

Carl definitely deserves his own video.

[@randybowman]

How many levels of instructional are you gonna have? Will there be a box set? Are they available for view only on your site or is it downloaded?

[@inside_fighting]

My goal is to certify people. The system is very comprehensive. I will be doing 10 instructionals for the RAID system. This first one is a real intro in to the system and the others will cover techniques and principals etc... This first one is an hour and 11 minutes but the others may be longer as I have a lot to cover in the system. I will also be doing specialized series on Baton tactics and some more Filipino martial arts stuff. The instructionals are for view via password but not downloadable since im trying to avoid them just being passed around (although this could easily be done with a password as well). There will be a box set but anyone who purchased previous editions before new ones came out will get discounts on the next ones out.

[@randybowman]

@@inside_fighting Thanks!

[@markandoyo2204]

As though Earliest 20th Century Caucasian man who taught these Gutter Fighting at early SAS Elite Forces he have ahead of time Oriental set of Skills unimaginable at that time, as yet documents told by him as yet as some FMA aspects also having main principalities in the high level knife fighting from some FMA club inherited from him👍

[@jonathangidlof7412]

I can recommend everyone to check out Tommy Joe Moore he has a great instructional dvd on KZbin called fight like your grandad

[@johnmcintosh8673]

I have his book on the Shanghai School of Street fighting, which shows the Fairbairn combatives. Very interesting stuff and I intend to get his book on Bartitsu in the near future.

[@patricktoohey8310]

Did you know he studied Bagua under someone from the Yin Fu lineage?

[@deadronin47]

I have his book fighting with fairbairn-Sykes great read a lot of information

[@alejandroacosta1227]

Love Carl Cestari & Damien Ross. Have you seen RAT fight by Paul Vunak?

[@inside_fighting]

Yes Paul vunak is my favorite cqc guy

[@todd5792]

Yeppers.

[@MasterPoucksBestMan]

The problem with combatives systems isn't the simplification. It's that they are designed for organizations that don't continue the mat time after the basic training. Professional boxers have an extremely limited number of techniques, but dat mat time doh...

[@yisraelaker6696]

Where can I find video carl cestari

[@cfps66]

Hi, One of my law school professors found out that I was a retired Captain from 20th Group. He would call me by my rank and I asked him why and he replied that I earned it just like he had earned his title. Are you called Sensei or Coach or Sifu? LTC Fairbairn earned his rank and you might want to show some repect. You insult him by calling him "Mister."

[@SherwoodPrepper1]

The Fairbairn system is actually Choy Li Fut

[@Gutterfighting]

No, it's not.

[@SherwoodPrepper1]

@@Gutterfighting Actually, it is. He learned it in Shanghai.

[@SherwoodPrepper1]

@Gutterfighting Maybe you don't know Choy Li Fut. But, as one who does, I can tell you, with certainty, that the bulk of the Fairbairn-Sykes method is in fact, Choy Li Fut. It's simply an accelerated method of teaching the Master techniques of Gung fu.

[@adamconchas9659]

The commonly accepted theory is that Fairbairn was trained in baguazhang by Cui Zhendong.

[@QBALL85]

In my opinion, you wouldn't be squaring up with someone and using this stuff on them like you would in an MMA fight. Ideally you would want to catch your opponent off guard with this and put him down as quickly as possible with no chance for him to fight back against you. I would never compare being good at military combatives to be on the same level as a professional MMA fighter. My fat out of shape ass might be able to survive a confrontation with a meth head outside 7-11 (who I would fear more than the current UFC heavyweight champion), but there's no way I'm stepping into the octagon and expect to win with this stuff.

[@joejacquesschulz8514]

Look at traditional Cossack fencing. kzbin.info/www/bejne/qYvYXoGrrtmLntk They never stand still and the attacking movement never stops. Speznaz knife fighting is basically the same, only the blades are shorter. Fairbanks knife fighting is up to date. That method that has stood the test of time.

[@burneyvisser]

Ww1 trench hand to hand?

[@whim6287]

First, not a veteran, just grew up surrounded by them. I'm in the camp of it being supplemental, and I'm a 3rd Gen practitioner of this. It's not perfect and going to a seminar or two will not make you deadly. Then again, neither does the USMC's LINE Training. It remained the official combatives for the US Military until the 1990's and you can still get manuals for it on line, and there's a lot of videos and veterans who can teach it if interested.

[@colemanstarr5404]

Check out the WWII movie The Devil's Brigade

[@inside_fighting]

I will 🙏🏼

[@randybowman]

Have you done one on 52 blocks? I know you've colabbed with dan the wolfman before. He's spoken on 52 blocks before so he might be a good guy to talk to for info on it for a video. It's kind of hard to find much about it.

[@angeloschneider4272]

Hitting the eyes is EASY! Because you do not aim for the eyes. You basically aim for the palm strike to the chin, and end up with the fingers in the eye. I wonder why YOU (as a trained ring fighter) find that difficult, while I do that nearly every day. Nice video, though.

[@urielpolak9949]

His knife fighting would not fly in south east asia. I know its a stupid remark but stretching out your knife arm like this

[@nuclearwar112]

@inside_fighting Shovel fighting is also a part of WW1 and 2 combatives. Look at the Recon Approach - kzbin.info/www/bejne/rnnKkJuJdt9sitU. Maybe interesting for you to cover. Love you channel and work. Keep growing.