Level Up - 1st, 2nd and 3rd Axis Adjustment

In this video I show my process for setting 1st, 2nd and 3rd axis' on a sight. If your're going to spend top dollar on a sight, you need to get the most out of it!
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[@matthewberglund3384]

Always coming back to the channel to verify information when I am tuning. Like others have mentioned, the channel is gold. Thankyou. And the term you're looking for with the bowstring is "plumb" -perfectly straight up and down.

[@InsideOutPrecision]

Thank you!

[@jacobbrazell8684]

I failed to mention in my first comment that I really appreciate your videos and thanks for all you do!

[@christopherwolff4527]

You have the best bow tuning and set up videos. I use them all the time to help me learn stuff

[@koreyw1650]

The content is amazing. I've learned so much from this channel. Much appreciated. Keep it coming!

[@ashleysmith4191]

Solid video! Only thing I personally do differently, I put the riser level up by the top limb pocket for two reasons for 3rd axis: 1. The farther away it is, the more accurate the levels will be. 2. When you’re shooting, your arrow will follow your top limb, so if you’re making the levels match those points, you’ll have the most accurate 3rd axis possible.

[@406Yotes]

Best video I’ve seen on actually showing the 3rd axis out. Now do one where you don’t use the draw board 👍 Thanks for sharing.

[@bradfowler4472]

You win nerd of the day today, man! That's some DEEP fine tuning. Thanks for making this!

[@rafterrt496]

This is the best explanation of setting all 3 axis I've come across. Great job

[@forgedwildernessinstinct6852]

Thank you brother for taking the time to make this video. I have seen a few others that show this on other bows and sight setup but i like the time you put into yours. Thanks again!

[@steven_farmer89]

You always bring the heat, great video, thank you.

[@brucescott7023]

Very handy to know definitely worth saving in my DIY archery file, thankyou for sharing!!!

[@johnniles7939]

Very informative. I wounded how many shops really have the ability and equipment to do what was just shown.

[@timberg7377]

Awesome job explaining, it's good to see someone getting it right...

[@jeffz4248]

Another great video! Your detailed explanations are a huge help in fine tuning my setup.

[@hootiesfilms6446]

Watching these videos makes me want to buy a bow press, a vice, a hooter shooter, and all the other tools and whatnot to do all the work myself. I've watched my local big box store "archery pro shop" work on my bow and I guarantee they don't know half of this shit.

[@kylefrye6265]

Keep up the solid work! Thanks for bringing awesome knowledge to us!

[@ZenBehindThePeep]

Another great video

[@hotshotbrewing]

Speaking of hamskea..will be seeing yall soon.

[@franklinclark8544]

Very informative video

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[@jerrystringer8190]

your the man

[@colingregory7464]

Some of the torque will be inherent to the bow control system (archer ! ) not the bow itself, when you mount it to the riser it needs to still match the already set bubbles (which is, I think what you meant about finding the suitable attachment point)

[@spanner4164]

Horizontal ...( horzion in the sky ] and when you put the level on the bow string, your checking for Plumb ( vertical level ) just like you would in wood studs for building a wall...

[@jacobbrazell8684]

Correct me if I’m wrong but I thought that you are suppose to set the 3rd axis while holding the bow at full draw and pointing steep uphill or steep downhill instead of a hooter shooter because everyone puts different amounts of torque on their bow.

[@billstiger2359]

I would say your correct. But the shop sets and gets it close for you. You should be leveling to your torque. I have seen where at full draw you level to a vertical string.

[@mattb383]

Love your instructional vids. I do have a question. I see a lot of videos leveling the sight to the string? I get you want to bow level left to right and front to back. However, the cams could be shimmed making the string off from level to the riser making it run left or right of the riser. It is tough to find flat spots on a riser but I use the same method as you with the exception that if the string is not level left to right to the riser, I will use the top part of the riser or the best flat spot I can find. I set the rough third axis with the bow tilted but not drawn. Next, I draw it back with the levels attached and see if they line up. I find if you do not torque the riser with your grip it matches up perfectly with the static measurement.

[@danielleuteplace535]

If your string is not level with your riser to begin with and you level the sight based on the string. When you attach the Hamskea to the riser to check 3rd axis, will this ultimately throw things off?

[@WM-jy9dz]

good pick up - that's why some archers use a vertical line (needs to be checked that it is really vertical, you can use an edge from a corner etc.), aiming at this line (full draw!) and moving the pin up and down this vertical line and check that the bubble doesn't move to the left or the right. At least that is how I adjust / check the 3. axis. Eta: forgot to mention that you still need a second bubble on the sight close to the riser you have referenced before.

[@mikeguy9668]

Bought a black gold revenge 2 weeks ago. Asked the shop to set all 3 axis for me. They didn't even have a torpedo level in the shop, I had to go to McCoy's and buy one. On top of all that they didn't even set the 3rd axis, pretty sure they've never even done it before. Keep in mind that this shop has been open for 35 years. Pats archery in okmulgee ok

[@mikeguy9668]

@@kevinsmith5775 these shops blow my mind

[@Dyna2023]

Does the hamskea 3rd axis fit on a black gold slider? I just got one and can't seem to find a place that it fits flush on the black gold as it has the big knob that turns the slider....advice?

[@InsideOutPrecision]

Run the slider all the way up and it should attach to the top without hitting the bubble

[@Dyna2023]

@@InsideOutPrecision OK thanks man, will give it a shot....I might have tightened the screw on the level a bit much causing it to torque a bit...not a Lotta room on the black gold to attach this easily!

[@jasonnester9514]

I never bother with 3rd axis but 1&2 a must

[@InsideOutPrecision]

@@jasonnester9514 3rd axis is equally important unless you’re shooting on perfectly flat ground .

[@jasonnester9514]

@@InsideOutPrecision I shoot uphill and downhill accurately without messing with it

[@InsideOutPrecision]

@@jasonnester9514 good! They’re usually pretty close out of the box but not uncommon to be at least 2-4” right or left uphill/downhill

[@InsideOutPrecision]

@@jasonnester9514 and there’s different definitions of accuracy… most people are fine being within 6” of center st 40-50yds, but then there’s lots of people who want the arrow to hit behind the pin if they make a strong shot, that’s who these little tuning tips are for ultimately! Glad your set up is dialed though!

[@jasonnester9514]

@@InsideOutPrecision I’m not downplaying ur video my friend just wanted u to know but yes even at distance up hill down hill on the mark maybe I just lucky them not messing with third axis who knows

[@Northwest.Archer]

Have you tried the OMP Axis sight leveler yet? It’s super easy to use especially since you have the OMP vice. On modern bows with stiff risers how much difference does it make setting up third axis at full draw compared to using the OMP axis sight leveler?

[@tools4spoons]

I see videos of third axis being set from the scope rail and others from the riser. Is one method more accurate, is there a difference?

[@RickSeymour54]

Amazingly content per normal

[@buckeyebowhunting]

I have the HHA tetra tournament with 2nd and 3rd axis adjustment ( single pin slider ) . I don’t understand how they expect You to set second and third axis correctly if there’s no way to adjust first axis ? And first axis is definitely not in sync with my bowstring in level position or riser . How are you supposed to set this sight correctly ? Followed instructions but sight still looks slighty crooked . I used the Hamskea gen 2 level .

[@billstiger2359]

See a lot of people using a 4’ carpenter level over the riser in lieu of leveling the string? Is there an advantage of leveling the sting vs. the riser? Your using the riser at full draw to level the 3rd axis? Also the Hamskea level has a pointer that is usually used with a vertical string, how is that done on a hooter shooter?

[@d500mag2]

All that pointer does is act as an offset to side of the riser. Bubble is being set perpendicular to riser.

[@billstiger2359]

@@d500mag2 how about the 4’ level on the riser vs the string to level? Which is the better way to level?

[@d500mag2]

@@billstiger2359 string for 1st and 2nd. Level on riser will work for 3rd. I'd use the same side that sight is mounted to. The riser is what will be torqued by the cables or your form when shooting uphill or downhill. leveling the third axis only verifies that scope and bubble are at 90 degrees to the riser. more or less than 90 degrees will show false torque.

[@stickboy6772]

Probably too old to add a comment, but i'll try. NOT ARGUING, just asking. isn't the first axis that you demonstrate on the same plane as the 2nd axis? I see the validity of doing this to ensure the bar is level before you ensure your sight/scope is level but it seems to my small brain that the 1st axis would actually be leveled by placing the tool perpendicular to how you displayed it, i.e. along the sight bar itself. I'm not sure of a need for that, so maybe the 1st axis doesn't need to be leveled? or maybe i'm off bubble in my thinking. I enjoy the videos and appreciate your time.

[@stevie9361]

You can do this all with a simple level . I use pillows to hold my bow on diffrent planes

[@InsideOutPrecision]

I’d prefer a vice and levels made for the task at hand haha

[@Thedudeabides803]

Why does the bow have to be drawn in order to set 3rd axis? I just don’t understand how the bow being drawn affects the sight and bow level relationship. Thank you to anyone who can help a newb.

[@InsideOutPrecision]

When the cams roll over and pressure is relieved from. The string, there is inherent torque in the riser which will effect the bubble on your sight.

[@Thedudeabides803]

Thanks bro! Really enjoy the channel a lot. 💪

[@xfighter1117]

New to archery and have a question on this. When you buy a bow and sight from a pro shop do they usually set the 1,2,3 axis for you? Or is that something the shooter would have to do?

[@InsideOutPrecision]

They SHOULD level all axis' tjat the sight has. Unfortunately, many shops are lazy and will tell you the sight company levels them at the factory, which is not true

[@xfighter1117]

@@InsideOutPrecision ok I may call and ask them to just make sure they did. If 3rd axis isn’t leveled will my target practice show a difference? Or only when I’m shooting uphill or down?

[@InsideOutPrecision]

@@xfighter1117 what sight do you have?

[@xfighter1117]

@@InsideOutPrecision black gold mountain lite

[@KowboyUSA]

Was able to make my 1st and 2nd axis adjustments with what I have, but no way I could do the 3rd.

[@jpjr6757]

What string level was that?

[@bamikefoxtrot561]

I always think of the axis like its an airplane... forward and backward tilt is pitch, left and right tilt is roll and twisting the riser left and right is yaw

[@BY-dq3mt]

This always gives me a headache lol. Can someone please explain why the first axis (bowstring and sight are aligned) is set while the bow is static? If the riser torques when it’s drawn and the sight is attached to that riser, won’t that throw things off versus the reading I get on a static bow? It seems everything should be set when the bow is drawn (torqued) versus sitting in a vice.

[@InsideOutPrecision]

If the bow and string are perfectly vertical, the first and second axis aren't effected by torque. If you could keep the bow perfectly vertical you could make it do a 360 and the levels wouldn't move

[@d500mag2]

1st and second are set to string so that when you are shooting your bow, the sight bubble will show that your string is vertical. 1st and 2nd axis keep a shooter from canting the string. 3rd axis is set to riser to remove false torque when shooting up or down an incline(ex up in a tree shooting down). False torque comes from sight not being perpendicular to to riser.

[@weldermike7017]

That was great, very informative thanks. Im setting up a new Ventum 30 and all my axis have been checked at my pro shop, i've watched it get done twice but for some reason my pin still looks like its cocked to the left although so far everything seems like its on the money. Weather outside has been totally nasty here. Ice, high winds and snow constantly so its hard to get quality long distance tuning in. But so far all seems pretty good but that crooked pin drives me nuts. Can that just be where it needs to be? It's a Axcel Landslyde witha ultrview scope just for referance. Thanks

[@quantumeraser4833]

Thank You for this, Questions... After you finished the 2nd Axis Leveling (Essentially, leveled the Sight/Scope Interface), you then attached the Hamskea to the Riser of the Bow -- which Axis is that ?? What if that wasn't Level ?? I asked "which Axis is that" because it occurred "AFTER" the 2nd Axis Level and 'BEFORE' you stepped off to do 3rd Axis Level. Appreciate the insight. John

[@EDHBowman]

Why would the arxos cost $500? From dialed archery…

[@tonyviers-de9qi]

Shouldn’t they just manufacture the sights perfectly square on all 3 sxis’????

[@InsideOutPrecision]

It’s not the same for every bow so you need to be able to adjust them

[@mrwfws]

I think the word you keep looking for is 'Plumb'.

[@InsideOutPrecision]

Ahahaha yeah thought of it as soon as I stopped filming, naturally.

[@EDHBowman]

Squeaky tripod bruh

[@waynestevenson9613]

Your posting awful early for the left coast!

[@d500mag2]

Why at full draw? Makes no sense. All you are doing is setting the bubble perpendicular to the side of the riser.

[@thejuror2009]

Seriously: Get your stuff together before you make a video. I don’t even know where to start. You don’t even know what the first axis is.

[@InsideOutPrecision]

This video is like 3 years old. The first axis is how the sight rail is level relative to the bow when the string is perfectly vertical. Then you match the second axis (the sight level) to the leveled. First axis. Then, with a level on the riser of the bow, still leveled so that all are matching, you put it in the draw board and set the third axis to match the level on the riser st full draw. Thanks for telling me what I don’t know though! Very informative.