Inside Toxic Limestone Kilns That Are Poisoning Workers In Pakistan | Risky Business | Insider News

[@gordonpasha3126]

I come from a family that has been doing this work for 200 years in Italy. They are only 100 years behind us. I am an explosives expert, in that quarry they prepare mines as they did in Europe 150 years ago. the last accident involving a mine built like this in my city dates back to 1895. Here too the miners worked barefoot

[@shabirkamran5399]

Italy got rid of its dictators however in Pakistan we are still under Military Junta who are strangling any progress prospects for the country.

[@gordonpasha3126]

@@shabirkamran5399 it's not a question of dictators, the only dictator we had in Italy was Mussolini after 1921, when industries began to spread in Italy. Construction techniques do not evolve because no one invests money in production activities. In Italy it happened when the nobility who possessed money preferred to continue exploiting the large estates rather than encouraging industries. In Pakistan I think the same thing happens, human lives yield less than agricultural investments

[@thedemolisher1181]

​@@gordonpasha3126 Not every mine is like this. This area specifically is a backward area. The provincial government didnt do much for the province so it is under developed. Military actually improved our situation.

[@gordonpasha3126]

@@thedemolisher1181 I'm sure of it, in the background you can see a perfectly asphalted motorway viaduct, crossed by vehicles. To build a public work like this, lime kiln technology is not enough

[@dr-rexmangrca113]

I. Saw photos of mining in Sicily...the men were nake because of heat underground ... Yep no clothes

[@PrimarchX]

Been doing it all his life, but the old man "is not trained to use gunpowder". I'd say the apparent presence of all his digits and living to a ripe old age refutes that statement.

[@fordhuguley8699]

No trust me there is a difference between being properly trained with explosives And learning from experience, he has all his fingers but I bet you he knows plenty that don’t.

[@PrimarchX]

@@fordhuguley8699 I guess I'm overreacting to the hyperbole that he has no knowledge yet has been doing it all his life. Practical knowledge is a thing and I'm sure he's doing more than blindly shoveling grains of black powder down a hole then hoping for the best. I think what the producers are angling toward is more like Western certification, training and safety standards. Obviously these are not factors in this part of Pakistan.

[@jamesraymond1158]

I suspect no one in Pakistan wears steel-tipped boots, (which would have saved his foot.) Same for gloves or eye protection.

[@clownworld3913]

These types of video always play up the danger. Extremely this, extremely that and then we end up with "A mine collapse in 2014 killed two people"

[@skeetsmcgrew3282]

@@clownworld3913 I remember once this channel talked about someone working with "toxic rust." You'd have to eat like a shovel full of pure rust to get sick, it is an extremely low toxicity. A shame they feel the need to exaggerate when things are already this bad

[@tookitogo]

This video keeps saying “limestone” when in fact referring to two different things: limestone (the unbaked rock from the quarry), and lime (the product created by baking limestone). They’re not the same thing, and their dangers are very different.

[@kraptastic333]

Is any of this for cement production? What is the major use of cooked limestone/lime?

[@Pattern51lover]

Thank you for the clarification.

[@aktan4ik]

Lime is a citrus fruit!

[@jordynozymandias374]

​@@kraptastic333cements and other building materials, food and many many other things. Lime making is thought to be an ancient technology and lime itself is used to make certain nutrients in foods like corn much more bioavailable. AFAIK this was quintessential for survival of native Americans who relied heavily on corn crops to survive. It's also used in betel nut quids which apparently is something millions of people do. Sorry for such a late response! Hope you find this helpful either way.

[@kraptastic333]

@@jordynozymandias374 thank you for keeping KZbin safe for constructive discussion and learning. I did think about nixtamalization of corn and other foods, but didn't know if the "lime" word was synonymous or eponymous. Cheers to you!

[@stevep5408]

Farmers had hand stacked limestone kilns built into natural dirt banks. They burned limestone, then slaked the lime, it turned into mostly powder which they used on their fields to increase harvests. That was the 1700s.

[@RagingDong]

There is a limestone kiln in my village, last used 1890s.

[@ronmoore6598]

Young people today are terrified of work.

[@RagingDong]

@@ronmoore6598 We live in social welfare states, harder you work, more you get robbed.

[@declangraham1864]

@@ronmoore6598A saying as old as time itself! 😂

[@GilmerJohn]

It works more slowly but it's not necessary to "slack" lime before putting it on a field.

[@franktrask1264]

What we are seeing here is ignoring the Industrial Revolution. I have spent a good portion of my life in the lime industry as both an executive and an owner. The rock could easily be broken with a medium sized hydraulic excavator, and kilns of this nature are commonly run on a set cycle. Proper fuel would also make a difference. The heavy black smoke is an indication of wanton waste of energy. Some kilns Ike this were run in Australia up until the end of the depression. There are a few that have run in recent years making so called specialty lime. Unfortunaly soft and crumbling limestone like this does not repond to modern kilns very well.

[@Zahrul3]

To be fair many of these business are owned by politically powerful people who would rather keep conditions like this and prevent any modern plants from being built, so they get to live large like the feudal lords they are while giving absolutely no contribution to the value chain

[@theotherohlourdespadua1131]

How much is a human life compared to machines?

[@belakovdoj]

Is it possible to use palm lives for heating in an industrial way as the only accessible fuel?

[@skeetsmcgrew3282]

@@belakovdoj Juat constructing the kiln properly to draw oxygen in large quantities would make a big difference. This is a glorified camp fire under a pile of rocks. But when you are this poor, investing in literally anything doesn't seem worth it. Not when people's lives are seen as worthless

[@gregoryl.levitre9759]

The industrial revolution brought us coal cooking and non-stick pans that cause cancer. You're delusional.

[@LiborTinka]

A good question would be why no one invests in the region to build a solid limestone mill or even quarry, especially in times of international market. Getting the answer will take you to a huge rabbit hole, touching many taboos that are not discussed or even questioned in both east and west...

[@mortanicus5871]

You're probably right. I think what we're looking at here is a caste social system, where there are more than just financial barriers to improving one's lifestyle.

[@95keat]

The video said the limestone industry in Pakistan only makes around half a million a year. The investment would immediately fail, that's just not enough money to support a mill.

[@Hizbullla]

Safe to say that any sort of commercialized production will leave a paper trail, and no one would be willing to trade with a company that gets their material at $2/day and subsequently have their name next to it.

[@muhumuzaemmanuel8854]

In Uganda, a huge gold deposit was denied development by locals as they predicted that developing it would make them lose out on jobs. Democracy ain't really straight out here. But you have a point

[@muhumuzaemmanuel8854]

@@droopy_eyes you're very right on this. It happens with every big project in uganda

[@wendellsmith1349]

@7:35 No if the price of limestone were higher you would pocket the extra and still pay them the same.

[@Kirillissimus]

In this kind of a small community everyone knows exactly how much you get and how much you pay so it is near impossible to pocket much extra. If you get too greedy you just get your butt kicked by your neighbours.

[@tubester4567]

Most of these "poverty industries" are run by very rich men, often connected to local or national government. Often its the family of a politician running the business and paying slave wages. This is very common in 3rd world and developing countries,

[@sergechelton4818]

this is not the uk hiding wages,you will soon lose workers if you did not pay them,the price.....

[@Gunda0506]

Poverty is a curse which nobody should have.

[@meni_v]

yeah if there had the chance to think of building a industry on in they would get rich but that gene is not working for them and the work with no shoes

[@gene8675]

It takes generations of hard work and a decent political situation to escape it. Most people won't sacrifice for their kids future as a tight knit society. Historically most of the world has been poor. Western civilization is becoming poor by bringing in millions more poor.

[@joeyglass6323]

We have to stop feeding more children to poverty. Do better first, breed second.

[@SergeantExtreme]

We have these here in Wisconsin. We used to be one of America's largest lime producers. The operation has long since shut down, but the kilns are still here. If you visit Lime Kiln Park in Menomonee Falls, you can see them for yourself.

[@joelwillems4081]

The 1910 Census has a lot of people working at the kilns around here. But even then the tech and pay were better than this.

[@archstanton_live]

In the beginning, when the smoke is black, they are starting the kiln with old tires from the highway.

[@archstanton_live]

this moves anthropogenic detritus into the atmosphere. This helps keep the area clean

[@watduh123]

Real warriors, fathers, and men. This is why when they come to other countries they are so strong and can take any jobs. I bow to them all.

[@AbidHussainBhatti]

I am From Sindh Pakistan ,,, This City Rohri Is So Near To Me, I Know These Workers Are Very Hard Workers & They Still Lives Like This Way, But Some One Have To Do Something To Feed His/Her Family ... Thanx For Mentioning Pakistan In Your Videos

[@peterwest7855]

Before we start blaming; there are still similar operations like this in Northern Greece ( part of Europe), just over the border in Macedonia , I have seen them. The kilns are smaller, but fired with used tires. The workers are covered in black smoke from head to feet. In addition to the exposure to quicklime they are also exposed to arsenic and sulphur from the rubber tires. The land they have worked over is covered with black ash and waste steel wire. The Lime is mainly used to white wash houses against the summer heat.

[@Barmaley80x]

В технологически развитом городе пост СССР вместо rubber tires был бы кокс из обоженного угля. Мышьяка в резине быть не должно. Но в минералах он может быть, ибо мышьяк очень распространен в природе

[@achilleasfloudas1972]

You are talking utter nonsense!! There are no such kilns in Northern Greece.

[@CarsCatAliens]

While I understand the dynamics and structure of places like this in the world, with the poorest doing the hardest,most dangerous work for almost nothing, it still saddens me that there is enormous wealth in the world, while these folks suffer. No fault of their own either. They were simply born into a poor family.

[@АлексейБычков-б6ч]

no guilt? the way your tongue turns. Of course not, they were just born in this place. but the blame lies with those who were not born in this place and did nothing to make this place more civilized. Instead of supplying weapons to conflicts, some countries could spend their money elsewhere.

[@-saklo-2256]

Still these morons are radical believers... see what this 'poor pakistanis' are doing in UK and Europe...

[@zteaxon7787]

​@@АлексейБычков-б6чIt is not the fault of the succesful farmer that the unsuccesful farmer has little food. There is enormous undeserved wealth yes. But not all wealth is undeserved. And not all poverty is the result of malice, exploitation.

[@simonphoenix3789]

There are a lot more poor people than rich and middle class people out there. And while rich and middle income people tend to have few kids, poor people tend to have far too many, so the problem always stays the same or gets worse. Its nobodies fault. The best you can hope for is that a country's wealth improves and that the government is effective enough to use some of that tax money to improve the lot of people at the bottom. You can't do away with poverty unless you do away with all wealth inequality, the best you can hope for is to make being poor less terrible.

[@АлексейБычков-б6ч]

@@simonphoenix3789 In kindergarten there are children of different incomes. someone can play with toys, but someone is too stupid and poor for this. The only thing you can do about it is nothing. Bravo! The earth has never seen such idiocy. Explained poverty by the number of children! When you are poor, children are all you have, this is your pension. The rich just don't need it. Can inequality still be eliminated? Let's try to help our brothers on the planet? I believe that capitalism is not the only system and not the most perfect one.

[@Invincible_joe]

"... and his 7 sons..." Problem of entire South Asia quoted in just four words.

[@samsonsoturian6013]

That's silly. If they were starving, they wouldn't be having routine sex.

[@Mcfunface]

In a country with little social security or retirement programs, children are your disability insurance in old age.

[@samelmudir]

each child is a wage earner. you need all the help if you're working jobs like this or in farming without heavy machinery

[@carlesc5497]

That’s what I thought. 7 sons!!!!!!!!!!

[@bakaweeb6396]

​@@Mcfunfaceyou need to understand.. you guys are living in future while east which has been destroyed by west greed is living in past.. children are their investment .. boys earn .. so they reproduce .. they don't have education too so they don't know much about these things.. you have to understand them not criticize them while sitting in a cozy bed ...

[@pradzee123]

Don't have food to eat, but has 7 sons.. priorities..

[@AhJodie]

I don't know what religion they are, but Catholics were against using birth control, and birth control is not easy to get in many places.... and, children are raised to help, so almost everyone can do something to bring in food.... even working in the fields to grow the food.....

[@Aditya-ri4iq]

​@@AhJodiethey are Muslims

[@consideringorthodoxy5495]

more hands = more food out there.

[@joelwillems4081]

Hobbies

[@Patriarchy_69]

😂

[@Potatoe-f6u]

It's crazy that people work so hard for so little.

[@tubester4567]

Its crazy they are working so hard for whitewash walls.

[@randyearles1634]

to say they are not trained to handle explosives is stupid. they have a lifetime of experience. I would trust them before I would trust someone straight out of a school.

[@canadiangemstones7636]

You know not of what you speak.

[@pixelpatter01]

Like tamping blackpowder in a hole with a steel rod?

[@salvatoreshiggerino6810]

If they were actually trained they wouldn’t be using black powder, they would be using ANFO or some other industrial blasting agent. Black powder makes absolutely no sense here.

[@pixelpatter01]

I would disagree with you there; blackpowder is perfectly suitable and powerful enough to heave limestone and crack boulders. It is also simpler and cheaper to use than high explosives. If this was a huge enterprise with power equipment and pneumatic drills you could justify commercial explosives. I could speculate he used to do all his digging by hand and using blackpowder is something new for him. Just my opinion. @@salvatoreshiggerino6810

[@Smile200-z4y]

Nah this is a flawed comment.

[@Tammissa]

It’s so terrible that they don’t have any protective gear for them to wear. At least face masks that filter what they breath in. But I have to mention that having 7 kids isn’t a very good decision financially. Being so desperately poor then having baby after baby is like slowly destroying your family. Every extra mouth to feed takes away from the children that are already born.

[@prophecyrat2965]

They need more hands to help with the work too, even tho it would be less mouths to feed it also means less hands to help work and survive, been the problem of humans slave to civilization since the begining.

[@noterrormanagement]

They NEED to have children.

[@AhJodie]

I don't know what religion they are, but Catholics were against using birth control, and birth control is not easy to get in many places.... and, children are raised to help, so almost everyone can do something to bring in food.... even working in the fields to grow the food.....

[@sandeeps2943]

They are not educated,they just following the custom as it were in past, people make many kids because some of them die illness , survival rates are low in past

[@seze5931]

NO THEY DONT NEED MORE KIDS. It looks like some people don't know but planet earth doesn't grow. WE LIVE ON FINITE PLANET. More kids equal more mouth to feed more resources to keep them alive , more arable land to produce food for them , more water and list go on and on. First,: stop being a religious idiot , second, try to give proper education to your kids. Third : stop breeding like a rabbit.

[@jeffreysokal7264]

It's pretty incredible to see how much of the human species struggle to eek a meager living from the earth. Developed societies have lost touch with how much of our species live. Long overdue for an awakening.

[@M3rVsT4H]

It's worse than that. Developed households of the West are under the same financial stress as these guys.. Just on a grander scale. What Developed societies have lost touch with is our corporate overlords. Who now set the prices globally. These poor guys aren't competing with the guys down the road. They're competing with people who own massive machines and ships, who set the pricepoint for limestone based on volume. And care about nothing other than profits.

[@karlscher5170]

How about the underdeveloped primitives in their shtholes wake up and lesrn science and technology?

[@M3rVsT4H]

@@wbay3848 Having a laugh because I just spent way too long thinking about where I would want a 4th Summer house. lol.

[@danielmanly4793]

@@M3rVsT4H Nothing like a maxed financial situation involving a home and two BMW payments to really make you feel like a miner.

[@DeuceGenius]

Everyone is struggling.

[@orion3253]

You're framing this story completely incorrectly. The issue isn't the job, it isn't the lack of resources or the environment, it's the lack of rule of law and the fact that these men are victims of a system of modern day slavery like so many other Pakistani men, women, and children.

[@ChadWilson]

Pakistan could easily bring in heavy equipment to mine and process the limestone by the ton for pennies on the pound. There is simply must be no care on the part of the government to improve the lives of these workers.

[@bctpcp9546]

I sure this has been assessed and the grade of limestone is very poor, probably not worth mining in the first place. This aspect was not explored nor discussed in this short doc which really set about making claims about CO2 etc. Usually if there's big money to be made when it comes to quarrying limestone for cement/lime then nothing will stop a quarry being formed and rock removed until nothing left of a mountain. I've seen this all around the world, sometimes mountains disappearing for cement production. This was a low grade powdery rock almost looking oolitic.

[@surendersingal2192]

Success of any society is when Govt n governed work together in good faith. Jussojuan

[@finscreenname]

Thinking they would rather have the people working making little money instead of the mine owner buying a machine, firing everyone and making all the money himself.

[@admcstabby]

0:26 - thank god we replaced plastic straws with paper to save the environment.

[@danielasif7377]

Well, the man produced 7 sons to make his labour force, if he had produced maybe 2 sons, he might be able to educate them properly to acquire a better life. Above all no work is low-level work everyone has to do something.

[@prophecyrat2965]

They are the slaves of Civilizations progress, the colonial peoples did the same in America, breeding and making children to work in factories and farms.

[@zainkhalid3670]

He produced 7 sons so that they can all share their income and survive. They probably live together and share their kitchen to minimize costs. They are stuck in a loop they can't escape. If he did not produce any sons so that his future generation won't have to suffer then he would die of starvation at old age because he won't receive any pension or financial support.

[@tangimeme]

That's not even a possible reality for so many families in situations like this let alone a probable one. For one, they often don't have conventional educations let alone zex ed, plus contraception isn't necessarily available. On top of that, it's likely that each son contributes more to the household finances than gets used on him personally, so they're probably all more likely to survive this way. I don't understand why you'd assume having less kids would have made a difference when the man earns $2 a day and doesn't have better options available. None of them want to work there, but upward social mobility is a struggle even in wealthy countries. You need to consider and really understand the complex conditions and context. There are a lot of reasons whole families get stuck in jobs where they risk their lives for a couple of bucks, but the number of kids they have probably doesn't even make the top 50 😅 This comment is already getting long, but I can tell you some of the main ones if you're curious and want to know more 🤷‍♀️

[@joecat916]

When i was young and lived in the country in Pennsylvania abandoned lime kilns were common. A very old farmer said they would let the lime in rows until it rained. He said the lime would ignite and burn green and blue when it got wet. I guess after that it was safe to sell? Anyway lime is nasty stuff, but is good stuff also.

[@GinHindew110]

the lime you can buy for construction is already moistured, "hydro lime" it was called a few decades ago, but they went back to just "lime" when they realized no one was selling "dry" lime anymore Its still a powder and annoying, but it doesnt burn

[@sayan9105]

3:42 she said $32 a year, a couple of minutes later she continued with "after sharing it, each person will be left with $2 a day". That's not $32 a year. Am i missing something?

[@andrewlarking7492]

$32 a year for the license to mine.

[@fordguy8792]

What I fail to understand is why these people have so many children knowing how poor they are. That fellow at the end says he won't let the next generation work at the kilns but he hasn't the money to put them through school so they can do something else. Do they just have kids and hope for a better tomorrow?

[@AkhaLosii-js6tl]

Unlike developed countries people from the third world countries don't get paid social welfare benefits, the day stop working, their income dries up. Having children to look after them at old age is their social security.

[@lmao1660]

In places like these children are your social security

[@7_years_and_]

@@lmao1660 how is a social security when one is bringing more people to suffer .poverty doesn't change may be get worst

[@onlypranav]

There is no guarentee how many children would survive. When you are doing something this dangerous and no money for medicine, your insurance is in numbers. As it had been the generation before. Also socially that what everyone expects. The reasons why every country in the past had higher birth rates are pretty universal - poverty, uneducated women, lack of medical care, but also (not to be discounted are) social/religious expectations which play a part here

[@steampossum7905]

@@7_years_and_ The reality is that when labor is cheap and long hours of hard work brings in too little money to live, more children means more hands to help around the home, meaning more time available that can be spent working and earning an income, and more people who can eventually start bringing money into the household themselves. And, ultimately, a guarantee to the parents that they will have someone to look after them and provide for them when they become too old or infirm to continue working. For people living in deep poverty without outside assistance, having a large family often eases the financial burden. Unfortunately poverty is a terrible trap and widespread exploitation guarantees it's often still not enough.

[@jnak974]

I think they’re work would be easier if someone just took the time to simplify the work load. Like bundle the palm fronds so it’s a denser form of energy that will burn longer. Build the kiln with 2 openings so you can feed the fire away from the direction the wind is blowing at, put something to leverage the pole so you don’t have to stay as close to the fire.

[@daverobertson5352]

there is so much that is simple.I dont understand why they dont get that

[@alanwatts8239]

​@@daverobertson5352They want us to donate so they can live without working.

[@key7817]

On your first comment, thats not how energy works, it would just realease over a longer time. These people are experts they cant read or write but if they can one thing its that job, to assume you can do better by "streamling" the process you just saw a 30 min Vid about wich they have been doing for generations is egozentric at best and razist at worst. Should they also go to the next walmarkt to buy power tools? =D

[@jnak974]

@@key7817 May god assist you on your journey called life. If you don’t believe a god, may your existence contribute to society in a positive way. Have a nice day.

[@chemistryofquestionablequa6252]

​@@daverobertson5352look at Pakistan's inbreeding statistics...

[@LunedisTerz]

I remember me at my own childhood where we go in the landscapes in the city where no buildings are.. We digg the complete days holes and i was a little stone collector. It makes me sad.. I was in peace and think.. It would be a great job if i could do this later.. And now this.. Yeah.. Great wisdomness of this little me. I see other documentary from you.. Same stonemining but other minerals... Its all the same.. They dont earn much but do a hard job. And i have sooo much respect of your filming skill. All this as a documentary looks great and i dont have the feeling of getting brainwashed. Very rare in these days

[@BluntedBaboon]

ayy been working a USA aluminum and a steel mill for 12 years, these guys seem okay.

[@gabbysmith7579]

Please tell me insider payed at least a thousand USD per person for this video Like the money made from KZbin alone would have an impact insider will be just fine without it

[@willcookmakeup]

This makes me so sad they had to quit school to go work in the mine. The desparity in everyday life around the world is truly baffling and unfair

[@johnreazin1074]

Lol

[@Sniperboy5551]

Disparity*

[@Ayesha_6I]

​@@TheDogGoesWoof69 you're bothered enough to comment and watch a video about Pakistan??? You're clearly loosing sleep doing that darling

[@huzifavesos]

@@TheDogGoesWoof69 Indian I guess?

[@zirzmokealot4600]

​@@huzifavesoshindian

[@jamesraymond1158]

Fascinating. Expertly filmed and narrated. What are the chemical changes in limestone when it is heated? What is difference between limestone and lime? I looked it up: limestone (CaCO3) + oxygen ---> lime( Calcium oxide and calcium hydroxide)

[@berzerius]

Oxygen is not required . CaCO3+ heat = CaO+CO2 CaO+H2O = Ca(OH)2 Limestone releases carbon dioxide when heated and turns into Quick lime. Quick lime added to water makes Caustic Lime.

[@jamesraymond1158]

Great correction. The eqns are balanced.@@berzerius

[@sridharmurthy1076]

CaO+H2O=Ca(OH)2 is known as slaked lime which can be used for white washing wall.

[@inquisitive-]

​@@berzeriuswow. 1800s to early 1900s American eugenics was called cacogenics and specific families and regions were targeted and now that you gave the chemical formulas for limestone, I'd bet they were limestone workers.

[@krakatoainc2809]

This is a very interesting view into what the they are up to in Pakistan. These workers will be rewarded in the afterlife.

[@Deadassbruhfrfr]

If there is an afterlife 😶

[@Connorthorpewilliams]

What’s crazy is in the uk lime kilms are part of our history and are part of history curriculum in the uk being taught to us about how 200 years ago we did similar things but these people can’t even afford the education, it’s like they are still living in the industrial revolution hundreds of years in the past just so we can keep advancing.

[@onlypranav]

Agree with most of it.. but that last part. Why is it your fault that a country independent for three quarters of a century cannot develop it's markets? How is it helping you guys advance

[@Connorthorpewilliams]

essentially the market decides and dictates the price so if the main market for cement and other high end building materials are going to go into the wealthy high end countries then places like Pakistan may be independent but economically are dependent on countries like chain India and France and the uk to but the raw materials and resources as they will consume vast amounts of materials such as cement to continue "growing the economy" when all they are doing is wasting valuable resources which have been toiled away for, the same can be said for lithium and zinc. Personally I think its just a wrong philosophy to have in the modern day in age where we need good quality reasorses but they are running out so therefore you must make the most of the high end reasorses we have instead of wasting them for marginal gains which are blanketed with the word "growth". that's just my opinion though everyone else is welcome to there own.@@onlypranav

[@peter8488]

01:35 limestone when acid is added will dissolve and make the hole for them, too bad I don't know what materials they have around them.

[@crypto1upteam750]

Only half a million usd export, there are macdonald franchises that make more than that lol. I understand why their goverment doesnt really care about illegal mining

[@gordonpasha3126]

In the meantime they produced the atomic bomb......

[@nickkmarek]

It must be inaccurate, half a million is nothing for a country to export, they might've meant half a billion

[@maarten1115]

@@nickkmarek Probably not, i checked some source online and 500.000 is the official number. A lot might be smuggled out ilegally (hence not showing up on official sources) and most is probably used domestically.

[@RatanYogi]

Pakistanis are our brothers, India must rescue them. We are United Bharat. "Hindu Muslim" shouldn't be an issue.

[@hemant05]

For us all humans, in fact all beings are brothers not just Pakistani people

[@wretfsfvd]

not unless they stop sending and funding terrorist and surrender their nuclear weapon

[@WWCephas]

Farming has become unpredictable. What an asinine statement. Farming is ALWAYS unpredictable.

[@ernestestrada2461]

In industrialized countries this work is automated and uses modern equipment. It's sad that due to corruption their government hasn't mandated more machinery and automation. Poor countries face the difficult decision between abundant manpower versus investment in costly machinery and production facilities which they can't easily afford. Then they require educated people to run these machines and factories to keep them working and to maintain them.

[@_GMP_]

From where do Pakistan get its cement? Cement manufacturers aren't they investing in machineries & mechanising the limestone exports

[@drekelley2352]

That's what I was wondering. Maybe they get a kick out watching their people suffer.

[@huzifavesos]

Pakistan is self-sufficient in cement production and they have big units for that demand in real estate also. Check Pioneer Cement, Best Way Cement and Maple Cement. All of them are working with sophisticated machinery and laws. But the lime mounds shown here are just a small scale...easy earning and low labour cost measures of "Land Lords" of these backward areas in Rural Sindh Province. These Land Lords are totally illiterate themselves and don't even know what labour rights are. Believe me even if someone shows them this video, they won't even flinch a bit. Cause they don't even know what's wrong with this. That's the level of ignorance in rural areas.

[@DuyPham-xd8lp]

The more I learn about the world, the more I realize every job is deadly

[@josephmedina6403]

If the desert isn't hot enough this guy stands and works next to a °1600 fire in it

[@mathemat3939]

Its so deadly being a software engineer working from home and making 7 figures.

[@j.marden9164]

my thoughts exactly @@mathemat3939

[@michaelkendall662]

I used to run a 340' long one at a processing plant to get the CO2 for injecting into the brine to bubble out Soda Ash.....our front end was 2600 degrees F and the kiln was in the Mojave Desert where the temperature in Aug could reach 130.....the byproduct quicklime has a chemical reaction with water causing enough heat to burn skin....ours was sold as an additive for Portland Cement

[@noterrormanagement]

@@mathemat3939 Right. What a nonsensical comment.

[@marctorrades1760]

My granddad did this job in France. Finished dying with lungs collapsing. He was an immigrant looking for better life .

[@timmyteehee9490]

I don't think a limestone kiln in pakistan has any effect on global warming i'd be more worried about the pollutants in the black smoke having an effect on the workers and local community.

[@pur3_kill.]

There are multiple limestone kilns scattered across the south, sometimes just kilometres apart, so the amount of emissions expelled is much more than you think.

[@nikushim6665]

Better question, what in Pakistan isn't slowly killing workers? I have seen idiots dumping spent battery acid and lead down the storm drains right into the water supply.

[@DJ-bh1ju]

The first minute of narrative explained everything - 7 sons... didn't even bother listing the daughters (women are livestock in that part of the world).

[@BrownyBird]

I do feel sorry for them and I wish their government was less corrupt. It's not fair to live that way. But them you see his countrymen and women living out of benefits of all kinds and complaining about EVERYTHING as asylum seekers in England and one wonder how on earth is possible that anyone can be so ungrateful!

[@TheBic4]

Hard to feel bad for these people when they are in extreme poverty and get the bright idea to start a family that they never had the ability to adequately support. Don’t have kids if you can barely support yourself!!!!!

[@SonOfTheDawn515]

It's the muslim way.

[@rahul21stcentury]

They will have 5-6 kids

[@harmgregory4560]

none so blind that they who WILL NOT see. 👻

[@0dbm]

That is a beautiful kiln. Thank you

[@johncase1353]

You now a 3rd world country when they are using slightly more advanced technology than the Aztecs.

[@scottfirman]

The United States should allow them all to move there. What a terrible life. In the USA, they will get free everything.

[@framusburns-hagstromiii808]

And yet they suffer because their culture prevents them from making the necessary political changes that would eventually raise living conditions for the entire region. Choices have consequences.

[@kimkim3827]

"if I don't earn, then my children will die of hunger." Please just stop having kids if you can't provide them a decent life!

[@Deadassbruhfrfr]

They're too stupid to understand this. So sad.

[@iNaRRoWs]

At 7:04, you can see a modern cement plant in the background. It’s wild they’re still running these ancient kilns with that modern plant just nearby.

[@consideringorthodoxy5495]

thats the actual reason they are doing poorly. They are making that lime for export rather than local development and they are competing with industrial operations nearby. If that factory wasn't there and they were developing locally, the price of lime would be higher and they would all be better off.

[@williampringle2307]

This is how its been done for thousends of years(without the help of explosives for much of it) hard dangerous work. There were still kilns scattered around here in portugal in the 80s.

[@hakankosebas2085]

As a muslim in diffirent country I deeply upset about them, I hope find a way to help them, muslim should help each other, where can we help them, is there a good organization

[@momiquz9746]

🤲🇵🇸

[@pezhetairosnikephoros931]

Hoe about not having 7 children for starters?

[@manchesterunited8390]

Bring em to UK, Brits loves Pakistani and Muslims a lot😂

[@d.martins4471]

i must ask.....why seven sons if you cant afford food for yourself? i will never understand the poor, its always the same excuse and the same history worldwide.

[@Meghnaaad]

“7 sons”, pretty much sums up their whole situation

[@hamzaghazi]

true, family planning is needed in many parts of the world. But for these people having more children means more wokers to help earn also

[@joecummings1260]

I had a friend from Italy who had a small concrete plant here in Pennsylvania. He told me about this process and they used it when he was little in italy. He said that is how his family made lime in the 1950's. According to him they used whatever they could get for fuel and that they burned a lot of old tires in the kiln

[@sreetips]

Apocalypto

[@american7169]

Umm thats not "dynomite"...

[@timhull8664]

The gov could outlaw this, but then what work would they have.

[@90s_kids_lifestyle]

Pakistan has " atom bomb" but not "redstone"😂😂😂

[@alexh3974]

The fuel is so inefficient too, like coal or so would burn far hottrr, Far longer

[@davidbowie5023]

Pakistan is a tragedy of its own self. It should have become a prosperous country, but look what's going on and considering their hardship, I can't help but questioning about this country's cycle of miseries.

[@mogim815]

indeed David Bowie, famous singer, songwriter, musician, and actor.

[@sindhflood7521]

Excellent task very informative it's real cause 👍❤️

[@indianskeptic3451]

Jinnah's dream. Thank God they separated from "fascist Hindoo Endia". They are so lucky to work in these death factories now! Iqbal ka khwaab

[@drmodestoesq]

Said Jinnah when he was polishing off some pork chops and a glass of scotch.

[@dbmail545]

Wakulla in North Florida had a lot of small limestone mines in the 19th century that burned it to make cement. I never saw the process

[@bobbycole7537]

When people struggle as individuals, but decide to have a small classroom worth of children, who will all suffer from the decisions of their parents, I lose sympathy. Life is hard, but creating your own suffering is easily avoidable.

[@oskarjankowski5709]

When it is a natural instinct to procreate, unless something else overrides it then what do you do.

[@bobbycole7537]

@@oskarjankowski5709 sure, I love having sex with my wife as much as the next guy, however, I also know I'm in no position to raise a small army so I got a vasectomy after my second child.

[@mogim815]

"poor people don't deserve sympathy, because they chose to have 7 kids" that's what happens when there's little to no access to sexual education or contraceptives; this isn't just a guy who chose to have 7 sons, this is a well documented trend that is a result of the very poverty you would supposedly sympathize with.

[@bobbycole7537]

@@mogim815 It doesn't take an education to understand that having sex leads to babies, and having babies leads to financial hardship. Even monkeys understand that too many offspring will hinder the harem, or "family" so they will often desert or neglect their young.

[@bobbycole7537]

@@mogim815 and another thing, I'm poor but I don't expect the world to cater to me over my decisions. Period.

[@harrylime8077]

With 250million, the Pak regime can afford to loose several million for 'progress' development.

[@chuckfindlaydangershow5640]

just like anywhere some people just get stuck nothing new not just happening here or there it's everywhere... it's all about the choices we make people do make good ones...

[@mrbake6933]

What fascinates me is they are using no fossil fuels. This post would be longer but I’ve got to grab a latte and meet my friends to plan our next just stop oil protest.

[@87bu11seye87]

The Parthenon is made of marble, not limestone...

[@drmodestoesq]

That's what I thought....then I realized that they're painting with a broad brush. Marble is metamorphic limestone. And they're also mixing concrete in with the limestone. So it's about miserable lives in Pakistan...not a popular chemistry lesson.

[@lenzp4133]

can feed 7 kids with this? cant be that bad.

[@melem7926]

Thanks for such an informative documentary

[@Chris.Davies]

$32 per annum for a mining permit? I guess that indicates just how little the limestone is worth. What is a shame is that these men are doing the same work as 1,000 years ago, except with some dynamite. :( Just one man with a modest 10-ton excavator could release as much stone as 100 men in one day. Probably a lot more. Very sad to see the modern machine-driven economy not working for these people.

[@siddharthgoyal4008]

limestone is also heavy and honestly abundant so it's not something you can feasibly transport/export.

[@daves3259]

Mashallah. Pakistan peoples are truly blessed!

[@globalshiftwilton]

The sarcasm just shines through you.

[@huzifavesos]

That's not even sarcasm rather a cheap and lame imitation of humour. 🙂

[@signalpathological3287]

I'm NOT an over sensitive social justice identity crises on two legs, BUT, this should not be permitted. Human life, and the quality of human health, should never be compromised for monetary profit. For any company to do so is heinously irresponsible!

[@michaelbailey7483]

It's hard to believe that some people in the US actually cry and say that their life is rough they have no damn clue what it's really like to suffer

[@windrider23]

It's amazing that Pakistan and India can afford atomic weapons. And have this level of poverty in their population. It's sickening how humans prioritize war over compassion.

[@fahadnazir945]

There is saying Wisdom doesnot comes freely People of india and pakistan have not lost millions of people in world wars eurpeons have learnt his after killing millions of people

[@quagmire4412]

lol where is india mentioned ?

[@sandeeps2943]

​@@quagmire4412bro is only aware of poverty in india not how developed it is and a large country can have ratio in everything too

[@HorseMalone]

0:28 If you cannot feed them don't breed them.

[@consideringorthodoxy5495]

Out there, more hands = more money + food. in a modern western society where you live for about 23 years before you actually contribute anything and another couple of years before making considerable money, thats where you actually cant have kids. Each of these guys barely makes more than they need. But together, they have security because the extra from others covers themselves. Basically the same thing as your health insurance.

[@AEVMU]

Why do people like this keep having kids? You think your kids that you invented, that you created, want that life? Why would you do that to someone? How selfish.

[@AhJodie]

I don't know what religion they are, but Catholics were against using birth control, and birth control is not easy to get in many places.... and, children are raised to help, so almost everyone can do something to bring in food.... even working in the fields to grow the food.....

[@cmacvane]

Why aren't they carbon taxed? Where is Osha? Ha. Regulate them out of business like in america.

[@mwmentor]

It is really amazing, in a not good way, how these workers are so badly exploited and how little they are paid.

[@xenofurmi]

I don't think they're "exploited". It sounds like a family business where they make lime for profit. It does sounds like dangerous work, though.

[@mohammadmursalin6817]

I have a terrible peanut of a job/career, cannot afford any food, clothing, medicine.................but I think its a great idea to have 20 kids so that they can also have a terrible peanut of a job/career, cannot afford any food, clothing, medicine in the near future......................now lets blame lack of education for everything because oh wait, education also costs money and if I have more kids I will have more money to send them for education..............oh wait I dont think that makes any sense; but I will now have 40 kids.

[@innerlight7018]

"seven sons" - There you have the reason of poverty.

[@AhJodie]

You talk like that, and your name is inner light? What?

[@drmodestoesq]

Maybe he's the inner light of basic mathematical logic. @@AhJodie

[@ThatWinterRider]

I did 10 years in a small copper alloy foundry in the US... I feel my job was just as dangerous. We do what we have to do to make the rich richer under the illusion its the only way to feel our families. Somtimes you have to walk away and risk the journey to something else. What do you have to lose but the opportunity to work like that forever?

[@ryanroberts1104]

Why do people like this keep having children when they know they cannot provide for them and never will? I don't have children because they are expensive and I don't like them. It's not difficult to not have them!

[@whynotjustmyusername]

So what explosive is it now that they are using: dynamite, gunpowder or ammonium nitrate ("fertilizer")?

[@samsonsoturian6013]

Fairly typical for industry in this region.

[@tvviewer4500]

It’s really not even close to one of the most dangerous jobs in the world. This has been done for thousands of years

[@salamandermo]

my god work and work and work and they cant even make ends meet and oh come to your boss for a loan. this is just slavery minus the whips

[@CRKramics]

I work with ceramics and this is very sad to see. Not the kiln but the workers situation. The owner doesn't care, probably because he knows they can be replaced. 😢. Firing a kiln like that is VERY hot and difficult.

[@bakerkawesa]

What a privileged life I live!

[@glennknauer2696]

Respect to hard workers everywhere. We are the wheel that keeps humanity moving forward.

[@Lok_Seva_Ayurvedic]

Maybe if all of them didn't have 7 to 10 children each

[@RAYDEEY17]

Sometimes i wonder if capitalism is good or bad. We produce enough food than we can consume, and yet people are dying of starvation. This world ain't fair.

[@bwdtoss]

Can't feed his 7 kids huh? I see where the problem is.

[@prophecyrat2965]

Industrial Civilization and its Consequences:

[@drmodestoesq]

Industrial civilization has lowered the birthrate to below replacement. What did Kazinski say about third world birthrates? @@prophecyrat2965

[@vetrieska11]

i remember some remains of kilns like these in Poland, also fed with wood. they were in use until about 2000 when last were abandoned. but mining limestone looked like here in 1950ies i think. Later there were excavators, drills and use on Anfo for rock blasting, as it is now.