Install This On Your Radiator & Drink The Tears Of Your Energy Company

[@paulhibbert]

Happy Saturday everyone! Get 'em below!... As an Amazon Associate I earn from qualifying purchases. By buying through any of the links below I will earn commission at no extra cost to you :) Tado X STARTER KIT (available November) UK: amzn.to/4epzqK2 US: coming soon Tado X RADIATOR THERMOSTATS (available November) UK: amzn.to/3O8F8VC US: coming soon

[@Slaksken]

Hey Paul. Small sidenote: There is an X thermostat that directly connects to the boiler without the Bridge using the wires of the original thermostat (like the Honeywell shown in the video). I have this system in my house. (Yes, the X is available where I live and I can send pictures if you want.) I don't know if this will be available in the UK as I'm from Belgium ;-) PS: Nice video as always! ;-)

[@j_r_-]

:') love the 'sponsorship cancelled' bits

[@jvoric]

@@paulhibbert Hope you’re feeling better soon! 🤧

[@pieeater_1983]

@paulhibbert are you aware if Tado have or would consider having an upgrade programme from V3+/V2 to X? Trade in your existing hardware and get a discount on like for like new TRV’s, thermostats and boiler controller?

[@paulmercia9109]

Does Tado (ie the app) allow you to program the thermostat using outside weather data without relying on a third party? Thanks! btw very nice vid!

[@MarkMayer]

When you watch this KZbin video, and you don't even have radiators in your home. Just to have a laugh on a Saturday morning. LOL

[@paulhibbert]

🤗

[@GoldBass]

Same here. Wouldn’t have known people still use radiators except for these great product videos. If I ever move to an old NYC apartment, I’ll know what to get.

[@Tarets]

​@@GoldBass Why would you think people have stopped using radiators?

[@alext6933]

​​@@Taretsbecause I've never seen one in my entire life, just not very familiar with them.

[@GoldBass]

@@Tarets I’ve never seen one in real life, just old tv shows set in NYC like the Honeymooners. I live in Georgia US and was born and raised in Florida US where we use HVAC or space heaters for our limited cold season.

[@Raymond.Jansen]

Long time Tado user here, and very happy with it. Because of a previous upgrade I have a free subscription, which is nice. Yesterday Tado send out an email for upgrade to X. 50% of and keep the free subscription. Nice!

[@pcread]

I live in a rental flat in Germany. The housing association has recently equipped the entire property with new thermostats with a proprietary screw, so they can't be removed. But I still watched the video, for entertainment porpoises.

[@joerichmond4624]

So here in the states we have a company called Harbor Freight that sells some weird tools. I bought a whole set of bits that might have actually been called "proprietary screw bits" lol

[@marktime61]

The Tado design looks similar to the Aqara E1 (I have 20 E1s) in that they (E1s) have a fundamental design flaw. When the radiator gets really hot it bakes the white plastic splines that attach to the valve and go brittle and break off. Consequently As the E1 actuator controls the valve it ends up lifting the E1 till it tilts at 30+ degrees and effectively no longer works. I have had 3-4 units do this. To be fair Aqara have replaced them at no charge but refuse to acknowledge this is a problem that needs a redesign.

[@QuantumDelta]

Paul: Installs new heating system, ends up very ill... coincidence?! Keep up the great work mate, been tempted to get a system like this for a while..

[@Old_Git_Gaming]

All I can say is I love my tado product, and my partner was always going on about the cost of heating, so the boiler broke last December, so I looked into all of the products on the market and tado always seem to have good reviews so we invested in it with in 3 months our energy company revised our bills and the gas came down which really does mean the system as a whole works so having the thermostat and rad controllers do save you money of course she is happy

[@ddrjoe]

Great video! Tado saved 1/6 on the bill and kept the kid's room separately heated during the winter nights. My only 2 major gripes about Tado are: first the lack of support for opentherm error codes, before I installed Tado I could see my errors on the home thermostat display when an error occurred. Now I have to keep an eye on the blinking light on the heater if any error occurs. The second is being unable to easily turn on all heaters in every room on full power regardless of the temperature. Mainly for when the maintenance guy needs to test the heating system, which can be tricky during summer. If the rooms are near 25 degrees (the max of to) the heater doesn't want to go on full power to heat the rooms. The only workaround is to adjust the temperature offset setting of the thermostats to let the system think it is below 25 degrees. Basically luxury problems I didn't know I missed from my old thermostat.

[@EsotericArctos]

I think I'd use automations in Home Assistant, or whatever hub you may want to use, instead of paying. Sure, it takes a slight faff to write an automation, but it would save the money. That's the advantage of Matter connected devices that truly follow the protocol. Not like nest thermostats that seem to claim to be matter but only work properly with the g's ecosystem..... Great when members of the alliance abuse the protocol and create the issues it was designed to solve.

[@webzterd]

It's what I did. Bought the sonoff ZigBee valves at £22/each, replaced my 2 zone wall thermostats with sonoff nspanels & hooked the relays to the boiler. I have local control if WiFi home assistant etc fails as I can just press the manual buttons with fallback to relay. I also use one as a 30 minute boost with a max temp override so non techies in the house can still boost it (e.g. older house sitters.)

[@TheJestinator]

I've got a cheap zigbee relay wired in parallel to the switched live, so I can fire up the boiler via home assistant automation, and the old thermostat works as well

[@EsotericArctos]

@@TheJestinator That can work, but it does mean the old thermostat will always override the boiler where OpenTherm will allow Home Assistant or whatever other hub to have full control and override any Manuel thermostat. I'd create a generic thermostat in Home Assistant and eliminate the Manuel thermostat completely and use a cheap tablet as your wall thermostat, but whatever works for you is good for you 😊 Sometimes it comes down to budget as well

[@TheJestinator]

@@EsotericArctosthat's good to know. I have ZigBee radiator valves upstairs and everything downstairs is left to the old thermostat. HA automation reduces the setpoint to 15 during the day and 22 at night and everyone seems happy with that. When the heating mode changes to heating on any of those ZigBee valves it closes the relay. When I own my own house I will probably look at a more complete solution

[@UnfittedNoise]

Been running tado for couple of years with 16 Tado TRV's, with 2 wireless temp sensors and running our UFH, excellent system, love the fact I can heat just my office when the house is empty. The old TRV model is annoying for batteries, so the new one with USB C charging sounds ideal. It's a big upfront investment for large houses but cut my gas usage by 30-40% in a year. Great vid!

[@user-fv1576]

You think the boiler is doing less work?

[@UnfittedNoise]

@@user-fv1576 prob the same but for less time...

[@dc99yt]

I’ve been using Panasonic Eneloop rechargeables.

[@SJGsysadmin]

This does look really good as a system. For a comparison, Drayton Wiser is extremely similar to this, though additionally has wet and electric underfloor heating. It’s also entirely local control so eg home assistant connects locally. And being Drayton it clips on to the standard UK backplates so no wiring needed. Drayton Wiser is the only smart home product I unilaterally recommend to everyone, it’s perfect.

[@andrewstutt3191]

Came here to say exactly this. They also support multiple heat sources, multiple heating zones and recently had a 40% off sale (I think it's finished now). Also, they sell room thermostats that will overrule the radiator stats (per room) if you need that

[@SJGsysadmin]

@@andrewstutt3191 ah yes the room thermostats set them apart hugely. Measuring temp from a neutral point in the room rather than by the heat source, combining multiple radiators for a room, and not least of all the Wife Adoption Factor of easy physical controls. 🧑‍🍳😙👌

[@rikm555]

@@andrewstutt3191 Tado also sell room thermostats that overrule the rad stats.

[@derekthomson9104]

Hi I have 2 Wiser systems in operation. One on a standard condensing boiler and one on a combi boiler. I think they are great and no subscriptions required. My only hope is that one day they will allow me to operate both systems from the same app login.

[@ezi0n]

Good advice, couldn’t agree more and at a fraction of the Tado cost which you have missed

[@homekitnews]

Totally sympathise with your bout of sinusitis. I used to get it quite regularly, and it makes you want to drill a whole in your forehead to release the feeling of pressure and pain!

[@paulhibbert]

Yeah man, it's been crazy, I just thought I had the worst cold ever until I googled the symptoms and realised the cold itself was ridiculously mild. It was as the cold was dwindling that the unpleasantness kicked in

[@homekitnews]

@@paulhibbert ibuprofen tends to work better for me than paracetamol for these issues. Better still, something specifically for sinuses (is Sinutab a product?).

[@Biggusdickuss111]

There's lots of sinus drops available that work pretty fast

[@TrickyTree84]

Nasal rising. It helps

[@marcfuller7531]

As someone with 7 Tado TRV's (V3) I cant see me upgrading it all.. it'll cost a bloomin fortune! Speaking about the rechargable ability of the new TRV's. If they just put a USB-C accessible on the outside you could charge them in place with an external power bank without having to remove them.

[@ALaModePi]

We're on gas/forced air over here, so no radiators. This looks like a great product for anyone who's got radiators (which I think is most of the UK) and having Matter over Thread makes it even better. Tado has really done this one up properly with a Matter boarder router built right into the boiler controller and actually advertising all of the capabilities to Matter. I do wish other OEMs would do that. Making it OpenTherm compatible is brilliant as well. I'm also glad to see that installation and, equally important, recognition by Matter (which seems to be a bugaboo in some other Matter devices.) Thanks, as usual, for mentioning the caveats. See you next week.

[@PugAshen]

Spoiler alert? You mean "Boiler alert" 😂

[@steveywonder1990]

I literally just started reinvestigating this topic yesterday. Then boom, this pops up. Thanks Paul's wife!

[@peteg330]

I've been using Tado since their 1st generation and I love them. I now have the v2 hub and last year bought their TRVs and found the house so much better heated, the right room at the right temperature at the right time. My gas bill has dropped significantly (I do realise the cost of energy has come down) but these have made that difference. I'm not heating rooms I'm not using and lucking for the long timers I have the geofencing and don't need a subscription! Can't recommend Tado enough.

[@Jaw0lf]

I have had a full EVO Home setup from Honeywell for many years and I found that it also helped to keep the house warmer as each room now reached it’s proper temperature rather than that of the hallway, where some rooms were warm and others cold. It worked very well with my boiler and saved around a third off the yearly use. I now have an Air Source Heat Pump and the science behind this seems to be heating the whole home to an equal temperature, so I now have them set more generally but it does mean the rooms heat up to the desired temperatures. Feel better soon.

[@JoshsSmartHome]

We don’t have these typically in the US, but we still watch for your comedy. Thanks as always Paul!

[@ezi0n]

Well @Paul, if they’d send it to me I might consider it as at £99 per TRV these arent cheap compared to other options eg Wiser, also I could not see if their controller is capable to control 2 circuits instead of just one and zoning them accordingly. Cant say I’m as “wow’ed” as you as their system in my house would cost me as per their shop min. £1500 to manage all - my Wiser did it for a fraction and works locally 🤷🏽‍♂️

[@JoeGallantChurchComms]

Yeh the setup cost is no joke. I don’t want smart valves to be a 10 year investment with no guarantee the system will still even work in 10 years.

[@Felix-st2ue]

One important point regarding the boiler connection. If you install it with opentherm or EMS it will modulate the power output of the boiler to what it thinks is required. Condensing boilers are more efficient that way. And you prevent scrnarios where the boiler kicks in but all thermostats are shut.

[@MrDenwei]

You can create your own automations using Home Assistant to turn things off and on. Works perfectly well when we leave HA knows this and turns off the heating or specific rooms if certain people were to leave. Same for the open window detection. When the trv flags this, you can automate it to turn it off. Hopefully they won't kill the API as I don't have this fancy matter version but the v3

[@StvPaterek]

When you were talking about being able to do it yourself and showing the past and then "sponsorship cancelled " I had to stop the video because I was laughing so hard. Also I don't have a boiler and radiator either but I always have a good laugh with your videos! Keep up the great work!

[@gasfitter78]

Hi Paul, fantastic video! I’ve got a couple of suggestions if you’re open to feedback. When it comes to working on the electrics inside your boiler, it’s best to have a qualified professional handle it for safety. You’re spot-on about OpenTherm making heating more efficient compared to the traditional on/off setup. I noticed you’re using Tado, but have you looked into Drayton Wiser? It’s a bit easier to install and offers great functionality. Keep the videos coming-really enjoying them. Have an awesome day!

[@paulhibbert]

Not tried Drayton Wiser, any good?

[@intruder313]

I just have a Nest E for OpenTherm and it also modulates the heating and cooling stages to save energy. I’ve been considering Tado TRVs for years but so expensive and don’t think they would fit on my ancient rads

[@scottandrews7302]

I know you are not an Apple fan but as they are HomeKit compatible, you can setup automations for free such as geo fence etc. As a hive user, if I didn’t have the Digital TRVs then I would buy them, use Apple home which can do everything you need controlling Hive and the TRVs

[@brettrigby2226]

When my boiler blew up two years ago a "smart boiler" was at the forefront of my mind when getting a new one. The boiler i chose came with tado. I'd moved out of my parents house who have always had nest. I can safely say i will NEVER switch to nest! tado does so many neat things. Like for example it somehow KNOWS there is a window open; it uses geomapping to tell when you're close to your house or leaving, The one gripe many people had is that its not possible to set it over 25 but people fail to realise that you shouldn't even need to be putting it higher than that. If you're having to wack your heat up that high your thermostats aren't in the right places and the ONE place you do have one is too cold for it to get an average temp of the home...rather that the temp of that ONE room

[@NikaKemp]

Between Tado and aqara, what do you recommend? Because I'm quite interested on the rest of the aqara home automation, they have a lot of interesting things at a really good price. Is it worthy to have it all from the same brand, or would you still use Tado for the heating?

[@TedCornish]

Nearly £200 great idea but bloody hell much more than I thought

[@moorevfr]

I was going to purchase the current v3 kit from Screwfix as it’s on offer now I’ll hold off as this X is probably the reason why there on offer to replace them 👍

[@ehtech_]

The difference in my opinion isn’t worth it. It’s almost double the price

[@jd_769]

OMG I wish you had of seen what just happened! So I just went to my wife “I think we’ll have to join home assistant in the new house” she replied “what?” So I replied “home assistant” she looked puzzled and said “what?” So I retorted “home assistant” and started pelvic thrusting 😂😂 So funny. Would be cool if you incorporated that into your jokes. Currently we use Apple home but pretty soon we’ll be using home assistant I’m thinking

[@AaronSchiavone]

Getting these as soon as they drop in November. Was just about to buy the old version and then saw these on a random German YT video 😂

[@Dragonited]

What I would like to see is slave and master thermostats were you can adjust one of them in a room and the rest will follow the one and the slave ones are a bit cheaper since they are pretty steep if you need 3-4 in several rooms.

[@neilgilroy1629]

The trouble with all these are that unless you have some idea what you are doing, you are likely going to send your boiler into an anti cycling loop. I use wiser (cheaper and functionally the same). Short summary: don’t put this on more than about 50% of your radiators. Leave some open or max on normal TRVs. Many suggest: downstairs open/normal TRVs, upstairs smart TRVs.

[@vulps22]

I have 2 questions 1: is this compatible with Aqara M3? 2: Can i use Aqara, alexa, or homekit routines for the geofencing feature instead of paying the subscription to Tado? 🤔

[@martinellisbritten-jones6156]

We've got Tado TRV's. They're brilliant, love them.

[@Shyamachandra]

I like that the radiator valves can turn on the boilers. with aqara e1, I have to do an automation using sceness etc to fire on the boiler...

[@moonified4561]

The wireless receiver is also needed if you want to shut off your boiler completely (or use a wired version of the thermostat as mentioned below),, and its also the only way to schedule hot water control.

[@johnvictor2451]

Except if you have baseboard hot water with sweated copper fittings. No place to install these unless you put in sharkbites and fittings on them, maybe. Or possibly at the circ pump discharge??

[@COD_Dory]

Can the tado valves use another temp sensor somewhere else in the room for reference rather than the built in temp sensor. This would probably need home assistant but would be needed if the radiator is behind furniture etc.

[@vitani_uk]

Hive thermostat died this week and I put the old dumb kit back in this weekend, amazing timing Paul! See you in November!

[@rnevett]

The old tado system has no way of extending the signal to valves out of range . Has this been sorted with the valves.

[@tonymiddleton7846]

I noticed you have a shortcut to Total Launcher on your screen @ around 12 minutes, good choice in launcher Mr Hibbert.!

[@fraserp2377]

I like the idea of this, but i am sceptical of the savings vs the purchase price. I would like to know what the baseline for the 28% saving is. If a person makes a bit of effort setting up their TRVs and has hive or nest already, it just doesn't feel like 28% is possible.

[@gedgicat2063]

Finally DIY that even Paul hibbert can do 🎉😂.

[@MAMDAVEM]

Paul with the hike in fuel prices last year I looked to see how I could use Homeassistant to save me money on my heating. I have a Hive Heating controller a modern boiler but without weather compensation, and Aqara thermostatic valves on my radiators. My research led me to undertand that the boiler efficiency was determined by the return water flow temperature to the boiler and that needed to be below 54 deg C before you start getting any efficiency gains from the condensing part of the boiler. Without condensing the efficiency is 88% and the lower the return temperature the higher the efficiency. My radiators only reduced the flow temperature by 10 deg so when I was running the system at 65 deg (the temperature recommended by the installer) I was getting poor efficiency from my new boiler. Long story short I was able to use Homeassistant to measure the flow and return temperatures and calculate the boiler efficency at different temperature settings. This enabled me to increase the efficency by 5% giving me a 5% reduction in my gas heating billl about £40 a year. A dissapointing about of work to save less than the cost of one smart radiator valve.

[@davideyres955]

If you have a combi boiler then you can do the temperature lower provided you get the house to the temperature you want. But if you are heating up a water tank you need to meet the water temp in the boiler higher to ensure legionella is destroyed. Under 65 deg it takes longer to kill the bacteria so you need the water heating on more often/longer.

[@MAMDAVEM]

This is correct, so to deal with this I installed a T-smart immersion heater and programmed it once a week to do a legionella run taking the stored water up from 50 degrees to 65 for an hour.

[@uploader755]

This was probably answered in the video but I must have glanced over it - do they have the upright equivalent? Or are my TRVs going to be pointing outwards to the front/side now? I've got the existing Tado

[@davideyres955]

Couple of things to consider when looking at TRVs. If you turn off a rad (which is what these do) then the room in question well get cold. If you don’t close the door then you’ll get a draft and you’ll feel colder. If you cut down the number of radiators exchanging heat then your boiler will cycle more. Lots of cycling (switching on and off) doesn’t do boilers much good so you could be making the gas engineers come sooner. I’m not sure how smart these things are n it comes to non combi boilers. When you have a hot water tank you need the boiler temperature set to 65. Your boiler is then not condensing. Your boiler temperature for heating is dependent on the load and you want the return temperature to be below 55 to get condensing. The lower the return temperature the more efficient it is. So if it’s really smart it will turn the boiler down when heat only is needed but if the hot water tank calls for heat then ramp it up. You would then probably want as many radiators on as possible to reduce the return temperature. Assuming you tank is before your radiator circuit.

[@Felix-st2ue]

So what they do on opentherm is to request a certain percentage of power output from the boiler. As to the 60° requirement, that's depending on your plumbing. If the hot water and the heating circuit are split by a valve that is controlled by the boiler you can run them at different temperatures.

[@john_hind]

That is another good reason to have the boiler control box as well as the radiator valves. Even if it only switches the boiler on and off using the thermostat input and does not have opentherm, a smart controller can optimize boiler cycling. This is the big potential benefit of smart valves over dumb TRVs which inevitably obstruct any attempt to balance the radiators. How well various makes do this is an open question though and I've seen very little testing of this.

[@kevinkvs9746]

This is the comment I was looking for 👍🏻 we have a tank/boiler system, is what your saying is don’t get these if you have tank/boiler system??

[@john_hind]

@@kevinkvs9746 I do not think this is right. If your boiler does not have Opentherm, the boiler controller replaces the switch in the heating thermostat. If the boiler still supplies hot water when you turn the thermostat right down so the heating never comes on, or during summer when the temperature outside is higher than the set temperature, then you should still be good. The comment in the OP relates equally to mechanical TRVs and to 'smart' radiator valves without a boiler controller. These could shut off all the radiators and the boiler would still be trying to heat the water in the radiator loop. With a boiler controller, the smart system can turn the boiler CH function off when all the radiators are off. With a TRV system, or a 'smart' system without boiler control you generally have to bodge it by having the radiators in the room containing the thermostat permanently on which obviously wastes fuel and means the system will be unable to heat any other room if the room controlled by the thermostat is already up to heat.

[@darknessblades]

after getting a Daikin AC, I rarely turn on my heater/radiators. maybe once or twice to flush the system, so it doesn't sit still all the time. [yes it has a pump cycle that runs every few days, but still] The AC is extremely energy efficient, to the point when during covid prices where soo high, I already made 50% back on the cost of my AC, just in savings on gas.

[@TheNewBloodDan]

Paul Hibbert cursing over installing something is the most relatable thing on the channel, specifically with back cramps…

[@Taliseth]

Been looking at something like this, and don't want control through internet, especially not interested in paying for subscription. I am however tired of having a super warm bedroom and a barely above freezing bathroom due to the split between floors. Will have to look in to this to see if it can control my boiler and the separate floor valves. Having said that, it would have been awesome if you included information on how to set all those feature up using home assistant for example without paying for a subscription (separate video?) Get well first though haha

[@clintbarton2280]

How does this look and work in HA, it would be great to have you unique video style on this

[@jtotha5385]

Can these be used with the nest thermostat instead of the tado hub thing ?

[@iauk1122]

Paul, do you know much about wired version, how does that work as battery operated?

[@albertogarrido6411]

Morning and great video as always. The installation seemed really difficult till we heard the "professional noises"😂. As Shrek said "better out than in" and the Big Bang theory reference... Indy is useless along the movie. 😅

[@paulhibbert]

I am super professional!

[@Mythix2]

the babysitter sitting there in the cold while you're eating a nice dinner 😂

[@SearchingForTone]

I don't even own a home that this would work in(said that like I have multiple houses like a millionaire), but still love watching the videos

[@MangustaMG20]

Great vid today. Would be interested to see what the automation community think about the numerous climate control solutions out there now. I use Drayton wiser, and love it. I didn't choose tado years ago due to a mix of poor reviews, technical indifference and lack of opentherm. Don't get me wrong, DW have had it's ups and downs but they are always quick to respond to and fix technical issues

[@daphnetilling6034]

I guess I better get saving then as local control in HA is one thing I wish I had with the current Tado setup I have, my poor bank account. The only thing I don't like the look of is the new display. I really like the way it looks with its current display (not that I could tell you why lol) but i guess things change and develop and smart thermostats are no different.

[@mikef3324]

Tado really is the best and I've compared it to others including hive. Since when did they introduce a subscription service? My geo-fencing options work for free. Haven't touched my heating for years.

[@Felix-st2ue]

Scince always. At least when I bought them 3 years ago. But tbh it was the simplest of all automations to solve that myself in openhab.

[@adamkearsley]

Do these work ok with dual thermostats? I have a new build with dual zone thermostats for upstairs and downstairs. Is this clever enough to know if I want to heat a bedroom, it knows which thermostat to activate for upstairs zone?

[@pb871]

I've got the original Tado system and well, it's ok but not great. The temperature sensors are too close to the radiators so getting the room to the temperature you want can be a bit of a battle. It would be so much better if the thermostats talked to a paired remote sensor that could be placed where you actually sit in each room. And that battery replacement process...! This X version seems interesting. It's a pity that it's not compatible with my system though. I can't see myself shelling out another £1000 or so to replace everything.

[@michaelhutcheson5897]

@@pb871 I have a remote sensor in my living room For that reason. That does the job.

[@pb871]

@@michaelhutcheson5897 Hey Michael, which remote sensor do you have?

[@billbrown69]

You can get additional thermostats that you can place anywhere in the room on batteries which will will achieve what you want, but that is even more expense of course. Other main advantage of the older Tado systems like we have vs the new one is, no monthly subscriptions neccesary.

[@paulhibbert]

Pretty sure the old system has a subscription for automations too 😉

[@billbrown69]

@@paulhibbert Nah mate, V3 was the cutoff. That is what I have and it comes on/off when I go out, monitors open windows etc all of that.V3+ was when they started the subscription stuff. I believe it depends on what version of bridge you have.

[@paulhjelmen8495]

What is that sun widget you have in home assistant? I want to add it too. Very cool.

[@leona_devon]

Great Video Paul, ou forgot home assistant, wouldn't you setup the automations in there, for going out and coming home, though I still can't get mine to detect that, so I've got a switch on m dashboard to do it, more reliable

[@unawaregibbon]

does the subscription service for geofencing or open window sensing features present the sensors via thread to allow another platform to manage the automations? e.g. tado open window sensor visible in home assistant as an entity?

[@jonathanryan8543]

@paulhibbert Can they be controlled by an external temp sensor ?

[@Shteev91]

Would the radiator cap thingys work with the Nest Thermostat at all?

[@azismail8192]

I’ve spent so much money on Google products and now come to the realisation that their products are just crap. So is there customer service. However, can I use just the radiator valves with the nest thermostat or would I need to change out my whole system?

[@josemanuelmalagacardoza912]

Can you have multiple thermostats for a 2 storey house?

[@ckhouri1]

My nest is already connected to my boiler. Hard wired. Does this mean that I would have to forego the interaction between nest and the boiler in order to have this working optimally? Cheers

[@TyroSean]

I might've missed it but are prices announced for these yet?

[@conorman75]

Is there a "hot water only" option? It's the main reason I've got the Honeywell Evohome, but otherwise it is not a Great system. I'd much rather Tado to Evohome, but I would need some way to controll the hot water cylinder.

[@johnduderidge9037]

I hand coded something similar in home assistant (python & includes adjustment for weather) be interesting to ask Tado why you need a thermostat in the hall - why does the boiler control not simply have each rad thermostat tell it if it needs heat? That's what my home brew effectively does and the results where a conservative 40% gas saving (only had comparable stats towards the end of winter / early spring so probably did better over winter...incidentally there is a rad valve on the market that can be configured to explicitly ask for heat - sadly in my experience it wasn't reliable (ie it would ask for heat even though it had shut the radiator down).

[@weedfreer]

If I already have a Google thermostat and boiler connection, then, will I need the hub and thermostat from Tado? Could I just wire them into the devices on the Google system? Orrr, as I’m on a version 1 Google thermostat should I just replace with Tado, or, upgrade to the recently announced version 2 Google thermostat when it is released? Edit: hmm, just realised, it’s a matter thread / whatever thing isn’t it. Hmm. So, it would be a switch thing I guess…unless I can get just as rich an experience using the valves with the V2 Google thermostat maybe? 🤔

[@mikescott4008]

I've got the existing Tado setup at the moment and a lot of devices, TRV, wireless thermostats to a combi boiler. Been looking at these and thinking do I switch? I've got WAN failover configured on my firewall for tado, only to a very cheap 4G connection. I've got Alexa and Apple TV 4k, so can have thread/matter. I do need to look at Homekit, just need to spin up a VM on the server for it.

[@hometechUK]

Not out till Nov i. UK apparently?? Nice to finally have the Tado X released & in the UK soon. They were going to release these last autumn 2023 but for some reason did not?

[@quadswithmods]

I have the old tado stuff is it worth the upgrade?

[@cliffharker2600]

I have the original Tado and TRVs on most radiators. The biggest failing is they don't have a remote temp sensor per TRV. The temp sensors in the valves are rubbish The original TRV did Geo sensing and open window sensing, subscription free. Also the temp sensor in the hall I just set very low, but the TRVs can all still turn the heating on and off I think you'd need a castle to save £340

[@TheRealFusionHub]

The elephant in the room is that every thing connected to internet is controlled by someone else.I know is nice and I like it, but I am sure someone will abuse that power . Good videos and funny most of the times.

[@hometechUK]

Because these are matter & thread that does not have to be the case. These can run with home assistant & some others even if the internet is down.

[@richarddalling913]

I have a tado system with 5 rad valves so will not be upgrading as it’s not backwards compatible (corporate greed I hear you shout) I like the open therm feature, I am looking at an open therm interface for home assistant using the rad valves and ditching the tado controls

[@treasurestatejew]

So, I have a 35 year old hot water boiler. Do the radiator thermostats work with hot water boilers or just steam? I am running my boiler right now with an ecobee, but would love to be able to control heat per room.

[@owenashcroft8167]

Suddenly my cobbled together Nest/Eve Thermo/Home Assistant set up looks like it's under serious threat

[@QuantumLeap10]

Previous ChatGPT prompts are hilarious 😂😂😂

[@matthaslam2840]

How are people getting round the age old recommendation to have one radiator in the house that’s just open with no TRV? In our house the radiator with no TRV is a massive one in the hallway. So with a system like this I could never just heat up ‘one room’ without the hallway radiator also having to be heated up. Or am I missing something?

[@nate_river_]

There isn't an elephant in the room?! Then where did all the peanuts go? 🤯 Hope you're feeling better soon, Paul!

[@DexyG87]

My current Nest thermostat is in a hallway with a radiator - and the heating in the whole house only comes on if that hallway is cold enough. I think if an individual radiator could call for the boiler to turn on, it might actually end up costing me more money!

[@Eric76]

That's not how it works. You are using less gas from the boiler to heat every single radiator. In any event if you wanted Nest to do the same, they request you buy another Nest thermostat in another room to achieve the same. A far more expensive way of achieving a zoned heating system for multiple radiators within a dwelling.

[@hometechUK]

Love Tado & thae lots of the TVRs but unfortunately from what I understand if you add the new Tvr x they cannot be added to the same home in the app even with the Tado thread Bridge you have to create another home, it's that's true that's a terrible design decision.

[@jameswestcott4191]

Glad to see it now works locally, tho i bet most of the app features eg. scheduling still run in the cloud. That always put me off Tado and paid for features isn’t a good look. Does the thing in the cupboard also control your hot water?

[@paulhibbert]

The schedules are stored locally 😁

[@paulhibbert]

And the thing in the cupboard can also control the hot water

[@jameswestcott4191]

@@paulhibbert thanks for the update. looks like a genuinely decent product and they've ironed out all the issues with the previous versions.

[@nickcooper7133]

Great video Paul, I have questions though ... Whilst I get the idea of the tado smart valves I don't see the purpose of the "room stat"?. I currently have Honeywell EvoHome system self installed & it's worked flawlessly for over 5 years. I can heat just 1 room or the entire house if needed. If the tado's can do single room (or zone) operation why the need for the room stat? Does it not use the temp sensor on each room valve to control temps? or am I missing something? Looks a great system & i love the chance to buy new tech but struggling to get my head around this setup. Any info greatly appreciated.

[@philc9028]

The TadoX radiator valves communicate with the "room stat" and not the wireless receiver. IIRC Evohome radiator valves talk to the Evohome controller which then talks to the wireless boiler controller.

[@phily50]

Would these work with hive if we already have that connected to our boiler?

[@davidw717]

Thankfully i have an air source heat pump and dont need to mess around with radiators thermostats

[@SteveSteele]

Its November, any update?

[@davidrichens4453]

If batteries last a year, just charge them in the summer when heating is off! Unless of course you live in the Antarctic?

[@RealWizardry]

Great vid Paul. Hope you get better soon.

[@experiment54]

Where can I get that Android star trek wallpaper please? Thanks

[@AlexManMe]

1:41 Yes. You were kind enough to watch Raiders of the Lost Ark with me. So I’d like to return the favour by inviting you to watch an episode of your favourite childhood television series, Little House on the Prairie.

[@JoshuaBrowne-m7m]

Paul, have I understood this correctly: the Tado X platform uses Matter, and Aqara have now unlocked the M3 Hub to allow all different manufacturers into the Aqara ecosystem via matter... So you could link a Tado X wireless thermostat with Aqara TRVs that could call the Tado to turn the boiler on? This way you could also use temperature sensors that didn't have an unwanted screen and unnecessarily high price tag? 🤔 Trying to figure out if to buy Aqara now or wait for more Matter devices, UK matter boiler thermostat, Black Friday, etc

[@paulhibbert]

That is a VERY interesting thought. I don't actually know, I'll need to test this. Ultimately I plan to do this with home assistant

[@philc9028]

@@paulhibbert this would be great if it can work with non TadoX room temp sensors etc. It will be interesting to see if this is vendor controlled in the Matter/Thread eco system, or if it is open to other vendors products.

[@BurlyTom]

Great video as always! Have Tado given you any indication for the UK starter kit price?

[@paulhibbert]

The prices for launch are Wireless Smart Thermostat X Starter Kit (with built in Thread border router) - £159.99 Wired Smart Thermostat X Starter Kit (with Bridge X) - £159.99 Smart Radiator Thermostat X Starter Kit (with Bridge X) - £139.99 Smart Radiator Thermostat X - £79.99 / Smart Radiator Thermostat X Quattro pack - £260.99 Wireless Temperature Sensor - £89.99 Heat Pump Optimizer X - £229.99 Bridge X Thread border router - RRP £59.99

[@TAGSProle]

Out of interest does the hub in the cupboard call for the heat and overrides main thermostat? I have a nest gen3 and like it, but could I buy the stats and run them in conjunction with the Nest or will I have to replace the whole system if I want the stats to call for heat. So in theory have the nest hub connected though the tado hub then to the boiler?

[@M0PAX]

i would say its one or the other

[@Gazmaz]

Hi if you have two radiators in one room can the controllers sync together or do you have to programme them separately with the same settings?

[@paulhibbert]

You would have to do it manually unfortunately