Installing an FS140 Siemens Surge Protector

[@geraldpatrick9463]

I was under the impression that you should always install the surge protection breaker as close to the mains as possible

[@ron2368]

Closer to main is more efficient protection.The surge would pass through every breaker before it hits the SP.

[@bradskis81]

I thought the same thing. I called Siemens and spoke with one of their technical engineers about this. They said ideally yes, if you're doing a new install with one, locate the SPD as close to the main as possible. They said if you're just adding one to an existing panel, anywhere is nearly as good. When I installed mine, I only had one open spot on the very bottom. I had to put a tandem breaker in to open up two spots at the bottom to get the double pole in for installation. They said that would be plenty sufficient and the most important thing when installing these is to keep the wires as short, and as straight as possible, that is far more important than the location on the bus bar. Otherwise you'd have to move and relabel every other spot too.

[@JeanPierreWhite]

@@bradskis81 An alternative is to install a Siemens QSA2020SPD if you have a Siemens panel. It can replace breakers that are close to the main feed *and* provide SPD functionality. Its designed for full panels. 40,000 amp protection isn't as good as this unit, but some protection is better than no protection.

[@bradskis81]

@@JeanPierreWhite I'll look into that, as I have two main panels and should ideally have one protector in each panel.

[@MackDaddy8154]

@@bradskis81 This is great news! I'm adding to an existing panel and no way can I get it up top close to the main feed. Now knowing this, I'm going to get it done. There's room at the bottom, and I can certainly keep the leads short and straight no problem. Sweet!

[@Bob-cx4ze]

You know what they say: the cobbler's children have no shoes.

[@barryhoward7997]

Man, I am impressed. Coming from your other video, you got to an easier project in a reasonable amount of time. If I had done that job, that's what it would have looked like. As I said before, I'm a retired industrial mechanic, not union, with about 3 years of college and years of school of hard knocks. I like your kind.

[@abrelectric]

@@barryhoward7997 that's very generous, thank you

[@vronp]

From Siemens tech: "Use whichever allows the shortest lead length with the fewest bends. Try not to have bends exceeding 90%, you can go further, however, it is not optimal."

[@abrelectric]

Thanks!

[@bobrunge7594]

Reaching into a live panel…. You’re nuts and not safe. ONE slip and you’re toast.

[@gandalfgreyhame3425]

Unfortunately, the FS140 is no longer being produced, and the few that are for sale have skyrocketed in price as Siemens has replaced it with the FSPD140.

[@abrelectric]

@gandalfgreyhame3425 yes! I've switched over to the PSP Vortexx. Please watch that more recent video

[@meseahunt]

Good video thanks Another project for my list 🙄

[@1faulk]

What do you do if you do not have any open breaker spots on your panel?

[@abrelectric]

Depending on the panel, you can add tandems ("skinnies") to create the space.

[@Terable13]

The breaker for the FS140 is not for over-current protection, they come equipped with their own, the breaker is used as a safe means of disconnect (I work for the manufacturer). I used to wonder why Cutler-Hammer resi SPD instructs the use of a 50A breaker when it comes pre-wired with a 14AWG wire which should be connected with a 15A breaker. I found out it’s so they can fudge their nominal kA rating. FirstSurge is the only residential SPD on the market with Ground Reference Monitoring (GRM), meaning it's constantly monitoring the integrity of the N-G bond, and if it comes loose or disconnected, the alarm will sound and red trouble light will flash, while the green phase LEDs will remain illuminated. The other instance it will go into alarm mode would be at its end of life. The alarm sound is about the noise level of when your smoke alarm battery is dying, so nothing to wake the neighbors. Beautiful installation demo!

[@abrelectric]

If the FS140 is a type 2 surge protector, then it requires a breaker. Is that not the case?

[@Terable13]

@@abrelectric UL 1449 listings for *most* whole house SPDs require the SPD to be connected to a breaker for fault current protection, and connecting to a breaker makes it easier to install for most residential applications. Constructing a SPD in this manner helps keep cost down compared to SPDs designed for commercial application.

[@abrelectric]

@@Terable13 thank you!

[@abrelectric]

How would you define the difference between Type 1 and Type 2 SPDs?

[@Terable13]

@@abrelectric if you have questions about Siemens SPDs for resi or commercial, I can help!

[@leonelsway]

Great video, I can't wait to install the one you sent me. I would love to see it installed with the flush mount kit.

[@mzaborsk1]

Same. Comment. After spending a week at a square d facility. The consensus of opinion. Spend the money for the best put at the top of panel close to the main. Shortest leads as possible.

[@so88113]

My house has two 200 amp panels mounted side-by-side (it is a big old house), and another 100 amp sub-feed panel in a detached shop. Oh, and it also has a solar array on the roof with it's own sub-sub-feed panel. So will one FS140 serve the whole house? If not, how many should I install, and where?

[@abrelectric]

1 in each main panel. Do you have space in each panel to add a 2 pole 20a breaker?

[@so88113]

@@abrelectric Yes. There are empty slots in both panels. What the sub-feed panels?

[@abrelectric]

@so88113 subpanels won't need SPDs if the mains are covered

[@so88113]

@@abrelectric Thank you for the information.

[@kennycardwell726]

Instructions say's the breakers should be at or near the service.

[@53719mike]

Have question, on your 2 main legs coming into your 200 amp shut off you have a black semi round objects with looks to be white and blue wires coming out of them and going somewhere. Can you explain what they are and if for emp, where can I purchase them. Thank you.

[@abrelectric]

Those are current transformers for my solar control panel (Enphase).

[@HawesEA]

I found the video to be very informative and easy to follow along. I also dig the Team RWB shirt! Quick question regarding landing neutral and ground wires on a neutral bus bar: my bus bar has no slots left for anymore connections, even though my 200A Siemens panel still has about 10 slots left for future branch circuits. Can I put a neutral and a ground under the same lug on the bus bar to make room? Furnace just crapped out on us at 18 year mark and we're upgrading to a 2 stage Lennox with 2 step AC with a Mini Split in our addition. HVAC guy gave me an estimate with an option to have 2 surge protectors installed (why 2, I have no idea) when one should protect everything in the panel. After looking at the quoted price, then researching the cost of the SPD from a local store, I decided not to pay 10x the cost of the unit and just do it myself. Thanks in advance for any guidance.

[@abrelectric]

Best option: add a neutral terminal. Easiest way, assuming this is your main panel, tap 2 holes, add the buss, connect it to the existing neutral bus with a #4. You're creating future capacity, and not just "kicking the can down the road"

[@tonyagapiou]

Just like most newer homes, we have an outdoor breaker box which is the main in, breakers for 220v dryer, AC units/compressor and 2 water heaters etc.. Would we need 2 of these? One for the main breaker outside AND the low voltage panel in the garage? I saw you had another video for doing a flush mount and it was for an indoor panel. Thanks!

[@abrelectric]

One outside at the main with your 220 volt distribution would suffice. I did the indoor one to demonstrate the flush installation.

[@JackA2430]

Nice video! Q. Can this FS140 be installed on an interior wall behind the panel? My electrician says he has to dig into the brick wall to install this device since the panel is recessed in the outside wall.

[@abrelectric]

@@JackA2430 it could be, for sure

[@riveradojo134]

James, damn this video was refreshing! When it comes to DIY, I like to be as informed as possible...or I wont mess with it. A lot of the videos I watched, were people essentially winging it. Thank you for taking it seriously and sharing your knowledge. I am definitely a new subscriber!

[@wmcomprev]

My OCD was saying, "don't put the surge protector so close to the transformer box that you block it's opener catch." 😂The closing shot shows that you didn't. I haven't read the instructions on this unit yet, but one thing I like is that it has 4 wires. So, if your box is not the bonded box, you can connect to both the neutral and ground busses. Many surge suppressors only have the 2 hots and neutral. I think those are rated as Type 1, but are also rated to be connected as a Type 2 to the breakers. Question: The Home Depot page for this unit has a picture of it being installed at the bottom of the breaker box. What would be the recommended procedure to have its lights visible once you put the cover back on. Would you drill holes in the box's cover over the lights? I've seen that before and the inspector passed it, but is there a better way? I did see the video on the flush mount plate, but I mean is there a better way if the unit is placed in the box? Technical video critique: The music during the intro vs. your speaking, the volume level is DRASTICALLY different.

[@tommymejia8244]

James: Great video bro. Question: I have a GE 200 Amp panel. Will FS-140 be adequate? Also, my main cut off panel (Midwest) is outside just downstream of the service meter can and my actual 200 amp breaker box is a GE and located inside my house. Considering this set up, where is the best location for the FS-140; at the outside panel or the inside GE panel?

[@abrelectric]

@tommymejia8244 because it's a type 2 SPD, it needs a 2p 20a breaker. It will need to go in the interior GE panel. You could add a type 1 SPD at the Midwest main disconnect (assuming there's no distribution there).

[@tommymejia8244]

@abrelectric Thank you, brother. I appreciate the quick response and the invaluable info.

[@Terable13]

I have to say, you mention the FS140 will not work on other voltages, and you are correct, all our SPDs are voltage specific. So, if a customer is in another country or has another voltage, WE offer solutions for those. The FirstSurge SPDs are meant for most American residential systems that are 120/240.

[@abrelectric]

That is a great point! Also the issue of system grounding. Many countries don't have a system bond to Earth at 240 V

[@vovobillinbrazil]

@@abrelectric Anyone have ANY idea which surge protector would work in Brazil? We have 3 phase coming into the house meter. Only two are used though in the house. We do have neutral and ground "Terra", however upon me inspecting the work (overall atrocious). They never actually pounded in any ground rods. They only connected the ground to the street service pole with a band of plumbing strap. Yep, you can shake your head. So, I need to do those two 6 feet apart after our service box on the street. 220v service here.

[@jimmycake7143]

dont they want it connected at the top breaker positions- close to mains?

[@JJYSGYAJY]

Ballpark estimate for a licensed electrician to install the FS-140 (parts/labor)? House built circa 2000 with the service panel located inside a drywall garage - Fort Worth, Texas. Thanks.

[@abrelectric]

@@JJYSGYAJY with a flush mount, assuming you have room for the additional 2p 20a breaker, depending on the company, $675 to $795 ish.

[@JJYSGYAJY]

@@abrelectric Thanks for the prompt reply.

[@jbw8471]

Man i guess i did mine wrong. I installed it at the bottom. The two hot wires in the 20amp double pole breaker are at the bottom as that was the only spot in my panel. It definitely works though. My power didnt go off during the thunderstorm like it normally does

[@rogerwhiting9310]

I have the same Envoy..mine has mini breakers that I am not impressed with...one just corroded out and needed replacement...Enphase wasnt as helpful as they could be..and I couldnt locate the same mini breaker elsewhere to fit. 8 years ago in Massachusetts for my 8kw solar install the electricians were using terminal strips and crimp connectors EVERYWHERE. Having 3 differend arrays..I have a few junction boxes. I just had a set of panels not report...found loose wires in junctions. After discussion with current professionals...only the DC connections need terminals now. I cut some wires back and used quality..and tight wire nuts everywhere. All good now.

[@CB-ny7xm]

I thought the FS140 could be installed directly to the bus and not require a breaker?

[@abrelectric]

Per the instructions it's a Type 2, needs a breaker.

[@electricianron_New_Jersey]

Hey man, I'm also an electrician rtrician up here in NJ. That's some good advice on the Siemens surge protection device. I like installing premium equipment and this seems a lot better than the Eaton stuff I've been installing. Hit subscribed too!

[@abrelectric]

Awesome sauce - appreciate that electricalron!

[@abrelectric]

Ron, when and where did you serve in the military? I appreciate vets a bunch

[@electricianron_New_Jersey]

@@abrelectric Navy Seabees and Al Jubail Saudi Arabia at Fleet Hospital 15! ODS!

[@abrelectric]

We build, we fight!

[@electricianron_New_Jersey]

@@abrelectric … and party all night! Can do!

[@AM1015-]

I have this installed, its my understanding that this breaker should be the first position right off the main lugs to provide the max protection to all circuits down the panel NOT at the bottom as shown here

[@ericnewton5720]

That’s my understanding as well

[@rivergate950]

yep he installed it wrong!!!!

[@abrelectric]

Read the instructions from the manufacturer. The critical items are to keep the wires as short as possible between breaker and spd and to not have bends in the wire

[@abrelectric]

@@ericnewton5720 read the manufacturer instructions. May be different than your understanding.

[@abrelectric]

@@rivergate950 check the manufacturer's instructions. See my response to AM 1015 above.

[@DGTubbs]

"Some of you old-school guys..." Proceeds to do the work without shutting off the main breaker. 🤣

[@SubStationSparky]

you installed it in the worst location.....Long wires. bottom of the panel

[@abrelectric]

@@SubStationSparky that's what many have said. Watch the PSP video as well.

[@nakayle]

I really hate this new thing of putting breaker boxes outside. I think it's a bad idea for many reasons.

[@abrelectric]

A lot of people hate it. But when you relocate a panel somewhere else in the house, you trigger all of the new code requirements and it's a much larger project.

[@mark98070]

Is there any reason that this device couldn't be installed inside? I have a meter box outside but the load center is in my garage.

[@abrelectric]

@@mark98070 it absolutely can be installed inside the panel. The downside is not seeing the indicator lights or perhaps not hearing the alarm if the unit is damaged.

[@ticktock11y]

Just thinking... if I drill a 3/4" hole in the side of the CB box adjacent to the CB I'm going to use, wouldn't that make a cleaner install? Shorter wires, no loop, no wire bending. Just a thought.

[@abrelectric]

Absolutely a good thought, especially if you have a surface-mounted panel

[@thenanook]

i thought it was design to be installed inside the house not outside...i live in florida, very humid here...should be an issue doingte install on the main panel outside?

[@abrelectric]

Per the manufacturer, it is rated for outdoor, wet locations

[@rustyclark6263]

I'm retired now but,I love watching your videos and seeing you teaching and doing it correctly.

[@abrelectric]

Rusty! You are very kind

[@mikeienuso1926]

Hi. Wondering what I can install on my Murray (Siemens) Panel that will give a clean Sine Wave thru my cb’s to my receptacles to protect my Boiler and all other Sensitive Equipment. Is there something similar to what you have shown us in this great video? All the best to you and family, Mike i.

[@genehirschel9491]

Sorry I'm missing something... Why does it appear that the neutral and ground are on the same bus? Also, why are you adding a breaker to switch the surge protector?

[@abrelectric]

It's a main panel, normally where neutrals and grounds are bonded together. The FS140 is a type 2 spd and requires a breaker. So, maybe you're missing something

[@abrelectric]

You are missing something: the main panel has bussing with neutrals and grounds bonded together (not a subpanel). The FS140 is a Type 2 SPD and requires over current protection.

[@rompstar]

You are a master electrician and your main box is outside with the elements ? Shouldn’t that be indoors ?

[@abrelectric]

It's a nema 3R panel, rated for outdoors. Works great 👍

[@rompstar]

@@abrelectric ya, I would never have anything outdoors, here in WA state it rains a lot / I have an outdoor rated hottub box and that shows rust inside too overtime, hahaha plus someone could mess with your box…

[@abrelectric]

@@rompstar I had the same issue doing electrical in Southern California near the beach: the salt air is a monster!

[@JeanPierreWhite]

Quick question. My Siemens main panel is full with 240v 2 pole breakers and will not accept an external SPD like this because there is no space for another breaker. It won't even accommodate a breaker replacement like the Siemens QSA2020SPD, there are no single pole breakers to replace. Are there any options for providing Surge Protection on the main panel? If not I can protect sub panels easily enough but will leave my EV outlet unprotected which is fed from the main panel. Are there any type 3 surge protectors for 6-50 outlets? I can find plenty for 14-50 outlets but don't want to replace my EVSE.

[@abrelectric]

Check the manufacturer specs on the EV charger. Many like Tesla's TWC have surge protection built in. You could do a Type 1 SPD at your main breaker, that should be installed by a licensed electrician. Type 1 doesn't require its own breaker.

[@JeanPierreWhite]

@@abrelectric Thanks. The electrician's suggestion for protecting the main panel was to replace the panel with one with more slots for breakers. That sounded expensive vs $200 for two breaker style SPD's on my secondary panels. I'll ask when he comes back to install the SPD for our HVAC unit. Would installing a type 1 SPD require the panel to be brought up to current electrical codes? Our panel doesn't have a master disconnect as it pre-dates when that became a requirement.

[@abrelectric]

@JeanPierreWhite that will depend on the local codes. Sometimes, it seems like upselling. Installing a type 1 spd should not mandate a panel upgrade by itself.

[@Pomerham]

what is the part number for the yellow service barrier caps?

[@abrelectric]

For Square D, 150A + PKSB1HA.

[@Phil-D83]

Even in a warm climate, would want then pannel inside

[@abrelectric]

I've seen a few that way. My concern is bring able to see the indicator lights or hear the audible alrms

[@mamumonkan]

Hello there, I have severe fluctuation issues at peak times here in South Miami. My 4T Trane compressor draws 45Amps. I have an ICM 102 Delay on Make Timer installed which does not trigger unless the power goes off completely - which Protector should I get ? Thank you so much !

[@NicholasIzzo-yq2me]

I'm from MA originally and FL now, I am not an electrician, more of a dumb child really, but I've never seen breaker box outside. Is this typical in other parts of the country? when it storms and your power goes out you need to check the breaker so you have to go outside in the rain or snow or whatever to check it? why not put it in your garage, basement, closet, or anywhere else INside?

[@Ifeguy]

You should be minimizing the length between the surge protector and the panel. Ideally you want to mount it into a CB at the first position from where the L1/L2 Enters. Shorter length = better protection.

[@kencrisp6333]

You did a really good job of talking/walking your viewers through the process of installing this surge protector in a straightforward manner. I appreciate it when guys like you take the time to create an instructional video that can help people evaluate whether they need to hire a professional or tackle it on their own. I'm betting that you saved a number of people some big money by showing them this project is within their skill level. Bravo to you! I do want to mention that when I install mine, I will tin the wire strands with solder before inserting them into the ground/neutral bus bars. I believe that would provide a more solid connection and it helps ensure that none of the wire strands break off while inserting the wire into the bus bar holes and/or when tightening-down the screws that hold the wires in place. It's really critical to maintain the ground/neutral wire thickness with surge protectors such as this one.

[@abrelectric]

That is a great point. Share some pictures of that process, if you can.

[@fredguerra4917]

I like his videos. However, all the drama could have been avoided with a cleaner install (inside the box).

[@TheDougelass]

​@fredguerra4917 whare would you suggest it be mounted

[@mrgene193]

There are some who mention that the breakers be installed as close to the main line in as possible. Is this a consideration or will any slot work for the FS-140?

[@abrelectric]

It is a consideration. The spd will work in any spot. There is lessening of the protection level the further you get from the main feeders.

[@downtubecrank103]

I like to watch a pro working and mentoring. A lot of crafts people just as soon let you make horrible mistakes and then act arrogant above the little people. Anyway question? Is there a way to turn off the audible ? Even though its not working that beep would be very annoying to the neighbors and/or my wife.

[@abrelectric]

There's not a way. Pretty makes you address the problem:)

[@douglasthompson2740]

Your audio is very low and requires the highest setting to hear you, except for when your commercial comes on and blows the speakers out!!!

[@ht9565]

Enjoy your videos. I am Looking at an install for a flush mount panel. I watched your other videos where you explained the advantage of twisting the wires to get the rating back when you have long runs to the breaker and ground/neutral connections. Is this something you considered doing here? I need to come from the bottom like you did here, with the main feed located top and the available breaker is near the top (which is good) so I have a long run. Also my ground bus is on the left and the neutral bus is on the right so I doubt I can twist those wires because they are going to have to take different paths.

[@abrelectric]

Later info I got from Siemens tech support said the wire twisting was more an issue for commercial installations with longer runs.

[@timmark4190]

Can neutral and ground be on the same screw point?

[@abrelectric]

No. You can double up on your ground wires (if they're the same size and material) under one terminal. You can confirm this by looking at the panel sticker on the inside of panel door (typically).

[@bobrumpf2576]

question-actually 2.. 1-is it proper to drive a ground rod at device if spd installed on an ac condenser 2- can two surge/voltage protection devices be installed on one unit-thank you

[@abrelectric]

If the power to the AC condenser has a proper equipment ground, a ground rod would be unnecessary. You can install 2 SPDs on a single unit.

[@scott6967]

Should you place a whole house surge protector within the subpanel as well? What is your experience with BadWolfUSA surge protector?

[@abrelectric]

I have added a spd at my subpanel in addition to the one at my main panel for peace of mind. We have quite a bit of lightning and surges where I live. However, I don't have any factual science that this will give me better protection. I have seen several mentions of Bad Wolf spds, but have no personal experience.

[@stricdog]

question, is there code inspection requirement for how many anchors to the wall? if it fits in panel with door closed; does that meet most codes? thanks for the video

[@abrelectric]

Apart from "normal" code requirements, your installation minimum standards will be set by the manufacturer in the installation instructions.

[@ChucksBasix]

When the music is 100x louder than the rest of the audio... ffs

[@abrelectric]

Startle you?

[@caperris]

Thank you James. I plan to do a similar installation, except the FS140 will be mounted on the side of my flush mounted breaker box. You tips and guidance is a huge help.

[@abrelectric]

Thank you! I really appreciate the positive feedback:)

[@jjjohn5914]

Aren't you going to test it to make sure it works?

[@abrelectric]

Beyond turning on the breaker, how would you test it?

[@Mike-01234]

Is this model using MOV TP's? If not they blow up on the first surge 2nd surge have no protection.

[@omarp5487]

Great video, thanks for sharing your expertise! I've seen some videos on installing whole home surge protectors and I do have a few questions. Why didn't you use a Square D whole home surge protector? Just curious & why didn't you place the breaker for FS140 at the top 1st in line after the main? Asking because that was part of the instructions on many other videos I watched but I know this is your expertise and just wanted to know if there was a logical explanation to why you installed at the bottom/end of the breakers?

[@BrandonHall1]

I just installed one of these and went through the effort of moving all my breakers on one side of the panel down two spots so it would be as close to the main breaker as possible. I found this suggestions somewhere but can't remember where. Was that a waste of time? I see a lot of these installed at the bottom of the panel or wherever is convenient.

[@abrelectric]

Psychologically, no. Technically, maybe. Check the manufacturer's instructions: do they require it? At the end of the day, good on you: you installed a surge protector to protect your house.

[@jameschandler3308]

Excellent, i been sparkin for over 30yrs too BUT its my first fs140 install today so im greenhorning it!, love how ya work alot like i do, gives me confidence! Haha! Thanks for the well informed tutorial!👌⚡️

[@abrelectric]

You sir, are very kind. Thank you

[@vince6829]

Thanks for sharing your knowledge.

[@donaldbingham8990]

If the wires between the SPD and the connection to the panel buses are supposed to be as short and straight as possible and also as close to the main breaker as possible, the only way to do that would be to mount the SPD horizontally and run the wires through the side of the panel and straight into the breaker. Is it against the NEC to use side access for a surface mounted panel in an outdoors location? It seems that a gasket/o-ring would make the installation water tight. In the past I mounted several of the EATON SPD devices directly into the sides of the panels. I ask this because my panel already has a number of things below it so I would have to to use the plastic flex conduit to snake around the other devices below the panel. With a large panel and the SPD a foot or so below the panel, the SPD would start to be a long distance from the incoming power with the potential power surge. I estimate that distance to be about 5 feet and that seems awful long.

[@michaelobrien539]

Thank you for the details and professional opinion here. All of your videos are awesome.

[@abrelectric]

Thank you - that is very kind

[@greenis3006]

Is your qo on the recall list? I'm looking at the homeline plug on natural for my new house

[@abrelectric]

Nope. The plug on neutral panel recall, only panels from plant 15, Feb 2020 thru Jan 2022. Only needs a neutral lug to be checked, torqued to 25 in lbs.

[@remokit]

Very well done. Thank you for the good information.

[@adenbuford7396]

A savage with a tape measure. A true warrior with blood on his hands. Thank you for the video.

[@rumsiker]

ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT BIBI NATANYAHU. BRAVO.

[@kack7130]

a year ago when I did this. I turned everything off. You got some balls doing this. Respect

[@abrelectric]

It's always safer to work it Off. I'm used to it, and still very careful. Besides, didn't want to reset all of my clocks :)

[@BestFitSquareChannel]

thank you...

[@theshadowoftruth7561]

Does it have to be alone on a 240V 20A circuit or can you piggyback it?

[@dobleanchorecords]

Thks man ! You have been a great help! Regards.👍👍

[@abrelectric]

Thank you!

[@maisyray]

Thank you for a great explanation and honest video. As a fellow electrician, I'm screwed as I have no more room in my panel with all the 20yrs of projects I've done on my home.

[@bradskis81]

Does your panel allow installation of tandem breakers? You could combine a couple lower load circuits onto tandems to open a couple slots. Especially with how little current runs on lighting circuits now with LED bulbs. I did that to mine to get it in. Each circuit with all the lights on only pulls a couple amps at the most on a 15A circuit when I checked with a clamp meter. Moved some light circuits to a tandem (panel is authorized for it), and opened up a couple slots at the bottom. Maybe you've already checked into that though.

[@modquad18]

I’m putting mine out on the meter box as I’m in the same boat - only 1 single gang available in main panel. I kind of like having it out there anyway, close to the the meter’s large ground rod.

[@stevemelton3619]

As I went to install the fspd 140, it has 7 wires which the wiring shows 4 connections. It appears to have an audio built in alarm but doesn’t Light up. The instructions do not show how to or where to connect the 3 small diameter wires. I have searched all manuals for fspd 140 and no info on the additional 3 small diameter wires. Any advice

[@abrelectric]

Cap the 3 smaller wires. They are for a relay.

[@wolfgangunger217]

The SQ-D HEPD80 has instructions in the back of the that pamphlet that says that you can put ring terminals on the hot wires and connect directly to the 1/4x20 threaded studs bonding the main breaker to the bus bars! It is the next best way unless you go with Type 1! Just turn off your main breaker, Terminate your neutral and ground wires, then temporarily remove the 1/4-20 nuts, place your hot leads with the ring terminals on the studs and replace the nuts tightly per torque specs. It is a clean looking install, and does not take 2 Pole space and that breaker really does nothing for the surge protection (only if the SPD is Type 1 of course).

[@abrelectric]

Good solution!

[@OHWRDAMI1]

I love how you put the photo on the end for your your spectrum and OCD folks... but then only used one Tapcon. *Evil Laugh*

[@abrelectric]

You saw that, did you? :)

[@george5120]

It shouldn't take 17 minutes to explain how to mount a surge protector. This is why I prefer written instructions that take me no more than 5 minutes to read, over a KZbin video where a narrator loves to hear himself talk. This video could have been edited down to 5 minutes, starting by eliminating the intro splash screens and music.

[@abrelectric]

That's why shouldn't be on KZbin. PDFs are your friend.

[@steveoverstreet9821]

Great Video... very clear and easy to understand. You ARE a good teacher.

[@abrelectric]

Thank you. I really appreciate the encouragement:)

[@jackflackatari]

Reason for the short leads is that want you to install it as close to the main breaker as possible. That opposite of what your doing.

[@abrelectric]

No, the longer the leads are, the higher the spike voltage, irrespective of where the device is in the panel. See Joe Wagner's comment at my video "Zen of Surge Protection". He lays out test results on surge protectors with different wire lengths.

[@jackflackatari]

@@abrelectric You can't change the laws of physics. Electricity follows the Path Of Least Resistance, which with Wires and Insulation will measure as the shortest Wires. All surge manufacturers will tell you to wire it as close to the main breaker.

[@abrelectric]

@@jackflackatari To that point, show me an example of an spd manufacturer's instructions that directs you to mount the unit as close as possible to the Main Breaker or Disconnect.

[@jackflackatari]

@@abrelectric Is this your first SPD installation? Do you read instructions? The Simeon's your installing tells you to keep the leads as short as possible. Picture shows it right next to the Main Breaker. Read the instructions for the Eaton you took off of your panel, same thing. You should know this if your a Master electrician.

[@abrelectric]

@@jackflackatari thank you

[@craiggbrown]

Also, I have a solar system so I have my main breaker panel and I have a protected load panel, which one should I install it on?

[@abrelectric]

If you have space, both. First, at least, the main panel, then the generator panel.

[@virgilsmith5792]

I would like to see installing a surge protector at the transfer line for a home standby generator

[@paultruong1]

I like it in horizontal position than vertical.

[@christinehenley9017]

How would one find a qualified electrician on the emp product device?

[@benniefranklin2056]

good fellow, you said there is an alarm. Can this be silenced afterwards?

[@abrelectric]

That is a great question. I don't know. I'll review the instructions

[@abrelectric]

According to the instructions, if you have 2 green lights with the alarm you're supposed to check the neutral to ground bond. In any other situation, you're supposed to replace the unit. Sounds like you have to turn the breaker off to make the alarm stop sounding

[@WorldwideBeagle]

Exactly, throw the breaker if the alarm is going. And then replace the unit

[@rumsiker]

i had to cut short the voice is so low cant hear the guy

[@johnnamias2262]

I couldn't hear most of what was being said. 😞

[@Antexjerr1]

Great video. I have a question, hopefully, you can answer it. If I have a spot at both the inside breaker panel and outside one which location would offer better protection? The cable run from the outside panel and inside panel is about 40-45ft. Thank you for the video and any advice you can spare.

[@abrelectric]

Traditionally, closer to where the utlity conductors come in is better. However, if all your branch circuits are in the inside panel, that would be a solid location. Tge other consideration is whether you have access to Type 1 spd (no breaker required) or Type 2 spd that requires its own breaker.

[@Antexjerr1]

@@abrelectric I thought that would probaly be the case thank you for confirming my belief. Merry Christmas.

[@abrelectric]

@@Antexjerr1 thank you! Merry Christmas

[@poolfixer]

Not sure why, but it appears this item is discontinued. Not saying you cannot find one but visited some major suppliers and comes up discontinued.

[@abrelectric]

That's the 2nd time I've heard that on this page. However, talking to my Siemens distributor, they're not seeing any shortage or cut off.

[@abrelectric]

I've got 'em if you want one :)

[@KickitKarate]

Is a Flush Mount Kit required if installing on Drywall? If so is there an alternative to using the Flush Mount Kit? It seems like a waist of money to me.

[@abrelectric]

No, you can surface-mount the unit, and use 3/4" flexible conduit to get into the panel. You'll have a little drywall cutting to get the conduit into a KO.

[@skywatcherca]

How about a video on the pros/cons of adding 2 surge protectors - the difference between classes and do insurance companies give a discount for those who add surge protectors? Thanks for this video.

[@abrelectric]

@@skywatcherca good idea!

[@abrelectric]

I checked with my agent at State Farm: no discounts, nor is he aware of other carriers offering those discounts.

[@unibrowser1]

I actually do have a question. When I had mine installed, I had the electrician put the double pole breaker at the top of the box. Not sure it actually matters but I was thinking it should be as close to the mains as possible. Any thoughts?

[@abrelectric]

Probably blasphemous, but I don't think it matters. My starting point will be the manufacturer's instructions: install it the way they recommend to get their UL listing for performance. Everything else is opinion.

[@anthonyguess5528]

He didnt follow instructions on this install. So for a master electrician not good especially with a box that easy to move breakers

[@abrelectric]

@@anthonyguess5528 read the instructions. I quoted them verbatim for you on another comment.

[@JC-pb4db]

Where do you install it if you also have a generator interlock & breaker vying for that first slot?

[@abrelectric]

Get it as close as you can. There is a slight decrease in performance, but it's not a huge hit overall. Having it in 2d position is still better than not having it at all.

[@loco4375]

What are those clamps on the mains with blue(?) and white wires coming off of them?

[@abrelectric]

Current transformers (CTs) for the solar panels

[@kevinkarwaski733]

Great video, thank you so much for sharing this info. I had quick question; would connecting the FS 140 to a sub panel off the main offer protection for everything in the main and the sub or does it have to be connected to the main panel? Do I need one per panel? The instructions don't help for this scenario. I have better mounting options off the sub and the sub and main are within a foot of each other, thanks!

[@abrelectric]

The FS140 should be mounted off of the main. In the same situation, I have either installed tandem breakers in the main panel to make space, or move a few circuits over to the subpanel

[@jaycahow4667]

@@abrelectric If you have one on the main can you still mount them on sub panels for additional protection?

[@abrelectric]

@jaycahow4667 absolutely! Layers are fantastic

[@anthonyguess5528]

Setious question. Instructions say install breaker close to main. Why is yours at the bottom of the box?

[@abrelectric]

To quote the instructions: "Use a breaker position that is close to the SPD and the panel's neutral and ground". Mounting it near the main breaker is not a manufacturer requirement.

[@stricdog]

have 2 200 amp breaker boxes in garage. Need a siemens f140 for each panel?

[@abrelectric]

Yes, sir

[@ugotsume]

I’m sure you will get to it. 😐

[@dennismarkowski8612]

00:03:27 that's what she said 😂

[@jasonschultz9570]

@abrelectric the FS140 is a Type 1 SPD. Why did you choose to install it at the breaker panel rather than the smaller incoming main panel(I don't know the actual name of the box)

[@artalv100]

If an electric surge (from lightning or a short circuit) travel the shortest route to ground to dissipate it's energy; what can the FS140 (or any other) protect? ... installed after the Main Breaker, a 20A-2P breaker, and a at the bottom of the bus? I have a pool sub-panel fed underground 60ft from the main panel, lightning stroked the ground nearby, damaging the breaker feeding the sub-panel, the pool automatic control unit and the variable speed pump. We had a surge protector on the main service that did not see the surge. I am planning to install a 40A-2P GFI breaker on the main panel for the feeder and a FSxxx surge protector and maybe another GFI main breaker (50 or 60A 2P as a disconnect) in the sub-panel. The FSxxx will take most of the energy to ground and the GFI breakers protect the equipment. Right? and does it meet code?

[@arnulfopernia]

Hi sir, excuse my question, I notice that an ENPHASE solar system is installed in your electrical panel, and the arrow of the consumption CTs in L1 and L2 are pointing towards the meter according to what I could see in the video and not towards the load (Main breaker) as explained in the ENPHASE training videos. The ENVOY is probably having measurement problems for that reason. In case my observation is not correct, please ignore my comment and excuse my bad English.

[@pauljauregui9554]

Hi Mr. Mc Kinney, I placed my Siemens FS -140 surge protector inside my garage electrical panel. Should,I have placed the surge protector on the outside electric panel like on this video? I noticed from you other video that you had placed inside.