INSTALLING HAMBINI BOTTOM BRACKET IN CHINESE CARBON BIKE FRAME

[@paulbusek7265]

I too had similar results as you which I was not happy about. After further investigation, I found that when I put my fingers into each bearing and turned them individually, they felt ‘notchy’ and not smooth as I expected them to be. I contacted Hambini and it was agreed that I probably damaged the bearing races during installation - to be fair, because of my particular frame, installing the bearing/BB shell was a very tight fit and I understood how this would happen. I purchased and fitted new bearings (Hambini was happy to provide them for free but I paid for them as I knew that this in part my error) and the problem was 100% rectified and the cranks spin test was transformed i.e. they spun with very little resistance and significantly better than my standard Shimano BB. Now 3000km later they still spin buttery smooth and with little resistance. Some of the comments below are so far off the mark. When installed correctly, they WILL/SHOULD spin freely and meet with your expectations.

[@x03PSYKOBLONDIIE]

I have installed 2 Hambini BB86 racing on a Hongfu FM169 disc and R7. The bearings will run better after you have put some miles on them. It is due to the grease in the bearings that need to wear in. If you do a spin test after 1000km it will be better.

[@lobuxracer]

Not the grease at all especially on a spin test. The bearing could be completely dry and perform well with a zero load test like this. The real issue is the plastic seals haven't yet worn at all and are initially quite stiff from the manufacturer. If you want spin test performance on install, you need metal shielded bearings which have zero contact with the inner race. They're also not a great idea for bearings used in wet environments if you want a reasonable service life. Hambini goes into the seal issues in detail in his bearing video, but any of us who've been playing with this stuff for years across multiple platforms (roller skates, bicycles, motorcycles, cars, aircraft, etc.) understand the complex trade offs the engineers make when deciding which bearing configuration is best for a given application which inevitably includes the customer's budget. And yes, my Cervelo S5 has a Hambini BB with genuine NTN bearings and the lowest friction seals available short of no seals at all.

[@DanTuber]

Do you like the Hongfu frames?...recommend them?

[@st3ppenwolf]

@@DanTuber They are better than most carbon known brands

[@rattila13]

If you bought that bb you've probably watched a video or two of his which means you know you can't just press one of these in and expect it to work without checking at least the size of the hole on both sides. If the frame is undersized or you left that adhesive in there that you mentioned after knocking out your old bearings that will excessively compress the bearings, it won't spin properly, and you'll get premature wear.

[@anthonyosborne1127]

What might have been a good idea in retrospect was to put the crank into the bb to test the spin príor to putting the bb into the frame.

[@lobuxracer]

If you really want to know what the issue with the spin test is, pull the bearings out, remove the seals from both sides, install the bearings and test. If you STILL have significant drag, the hole in the frame is clearly so bad it is distorting the bearing outer race AND the Hambini shell. That's pretty unlikely if the shell presses in smoothly, but not entirely impossible. Watch Hambini's video on bearings (kzbin.info/www/bejne/pWjMi4mciKmVn6M from 9:00 to end) and you'll quickly understand why the spin test is crap for any sealed bearing, especially when brand new. The seals aren't worn yet. The fit on your shell to frame sounds just like the fit in my Cervelo S5 which I am confident is not a knock off, but without question isn't the way it should be from the factory, and this is a "Limited Edition" Tour de France commemorative frame. You'd think they'd put a little extra effort into it. Not at all. Still with Hambini's BB, I have zero issues running whatever crank I like now without any BB noises. Well worth it to me.

[@Technotranceism]

With the BB out, I would've checked the frame tube for trueness. If there's any chance of mil spec out of wonk, it's going to cause compression issues with the BB alignment and bearings free spin. Granted, fresh bearings need some breaking in as well, but before installing, best to check tube sizing and trueness first.

[@sionprawn8168]

Hambini has a video explaining that the spin test is not a good way of testing as it's not under Load. He did explain the physics of why it must be under load to test, but I can't remember why it was now.

[@andyamos8594]

Brave Man to do a press fit install!! I've just finished sorting mine on a Trek Stache with a BB92 GXP. First bought a Shimano BB92 with 22mm adapter sleeve but nope. The tolerances are different for Shimano! The Sram drive side axle was wider than the "24mm" bearing! Bought a Sram BB86 GXP after reading they were one and the same as BB92, well nope. The Sram BB86 is for road bikes, installs the other way round, only just closes at 92mm and has a flatter non drive side gasket which is face specific (as I found out to my cost after full assembly). Finally got it sorted and the bastard is now as smooth as silk, well.... nearly!

[@lancercool1992]

FSA makes a 1 piece conversion thing to go from pf30 to bsa, you apply bonding agent then press the aluminum barrel into the frame, frame is bsa forever after that I'm getting my Chinese frame in a few weeks and I'm going with this thing and stay away from press fit

[@WeRideSouth]

Most Chinese frame manufacturers will let your order BSA on the frame. This eliminates adding another point of failure such as a conversion bottom bracket.

[@krisjaynav]

thanks for sharing. the youtube environment will always have their fair share of harsh opinions. Just know there are many who appreciate you using the platform to share you experiences.

[@WeRideSouth]

Thanks for watching!

[@waynosfotos]

You need to understand that new bearings are greased, so have drag, it will spin better once used for a while. Test it after 500km

[@WeRideSouth]

I've put some miles on them, I'm going to revisit after 1000 miles.

[@LukeKarasiewicz]

Try taking the bearings out of the shell and see how they move (feel) compared to being in the shell (when installed in the frame). I've had issues with additional compression of the bearings because the carbon shell was too tight and was compressing the Hambini BB too much, which in turn was adding additional loading on the bearings.

[@WeRideSouth]

Thanks for the tip! This could definitely be affecting it, it was a very tight fit and looking at the shell it didn't look concentric at all.

[@Skooteh]

I remember from a video that hambini himself said this was a problem with some frames and that even skf (his bearing supplier) couldn't warranty the bearings for premature failure if the fit was that significantly undersize.

[@WeRideSouth]

@@Skooteh I may try and do the flap wheel method in his video that he recently released.

[@dirkgross1603]

@@WeRideSouth I had a similar result with my Hambini BB86, only mine started out with a spin test only going 1/2 turn no matter how hard I spun it, so the result like yours was a big improvement. I wish I would have seen the video with the flap wheel before I installed a couple months ago, because it did go in with what seemed to be significant resistance compared to his install videos. I have about 600 miles on it but i forgot to check it when I removed the chain for waxing, but it does feel nice and solid, so I'm happy. I doubt it would ever come out intact to even try to open the hole, so I'll just forget about it.

[@WeRideSouth]

@@dirkgross1603 I wish I had saw the flap wheel video earlier as well. The good news is my frame is cheap, so if/when it goes, I can carry over all the parts. I do plan on ordering a BB removal tool from Hambini as well as some lower friction bearings per recommendation by other commenters and do a removal and flap wheel if my frame survives; however, it's already improving after 400 miles so it may have just been the new grease. Better bearings is a cheap upgrade tho.

[@mislevis]

I also have BB86 hambini BB. Also very tight fit (tighter than your for sure) in my BMC lower end carbon frame, but it spin free. I rode maybe 3-4000km and I'm happy. IMO much more inportant update is BB stiffness. If it need you will replace BB bearings more frequently. ENJOY

[@RYTHMICRIOT]

I also have a BMC and want to get a Hambini BB. Do you have internal cable routing?

[@mislevis]

@@RYTHMICRIOT My bike is with outer cables. BMC GranFondo GF02 (model 2016, ultegra 6800). Maybe two part high-end bottom bracket is better choice (because installation process is easier if your frame is not perfect).

[@jdodd1258]

Same thing with my Specialized Allez Sprint, the bearings will wear in and it'll run a bit smoother but will never be super smooth. replaced the bearing with some NTN llb bearings and the cranks now basically don't stop moving. Hambini will sell you a bottom bracket often times with fully contacting seals, nothing wrong with that, you won't actually be able to feel the difference anyway.

[@WeRideSouth]

Thanks for the info!

[@eto2352]

New bearings mate, it'll break it. Still, even in the video it is noticeably smoother than before.

[@WeRideSouth]

Agreed! after looking it over on video it is way smoother. I plan to revisit it after 1000 miles. I've got 400ish on there now and they are already noticeably smoother. Regardless of how it spins, it feels amazing when I'm pedaling.

[@pikdahouse15]

The classic one does not come with a low friction bearing , bearing ref 6805

[@404nobrakes]

Pik Ho yeah the non-racing one comes with contact seals, same as Shimano. All the spinny bottom brackets you see, including Hambini’s, are contactless sealed. Which means they are significantly more vulnerable to contamination. Generally speaking, you’ll probably need 1000-2000 miles on these bearings to truly break in the seal to the point where they’re just barely touching and even then it’ll still be slower than a (new) contactless. But if you’re riding in the wet or dirt, these bearings will last much, much longer and will save you watts that way :)

[@williamknowles3085]

There is the possibility that your bottom bracket shell oval-ish or off

[@Omar-kw5ui]

Hammering away at carbon, there is a man who never heard of delamination.

[@WeRideSouth]

wut iz carbon fibre?/

[@Omar-kw5ui]

Andrew Grabbs lol 😂

[@Rexuar]

Delamintation is due to too much heat, melting the resin that bonds carbon fiber together. Hammering will simply crack carbon fiber because carbon fiber is very hard and is brittle because it's hard. Nothing to do with Delamintation

[@Omar-kw5ui]

​@@Rexuar No. Delamination is simply when the layers in a composite separate because the tensile strength of the resin is overcome. For-example, if a force is applied perpendicular to the alignment of fibres. Fibre composites are only strong along the direction of the fibres, such as in tension. They are however weak across the layers because the resin's tensile strength determines how strong the material is in that direction. A force applied across the layers (like a blunt force from a hammer, or even a toolset falling from a mechanic's belt on an aircraft wing) causes Delamination. Delamination can be followed by fiber fractures, but, that's not necessary. Delamination is not obvious to the naked eye, fibre fracture is. Did you see any fractures on the bike? no. P.s. I am an Aeronautical Engineer.

[@timtaylor9590]

cut that steer tube bud. hope u have a long enough compression plug as it stands tho

[@onmydeskihaveacup]

The reason the hambini BB is not spinning is because the Crankset is not balanced; when it spins you can see the frame wobble, this is the rotating energy being dissapated.

[@w0bblyd0inkb0ink]

You shouldn’t hold top tube on service stand like this on a carbon frame, should be holding on seat tube, otherwise could possibly damage top tube

[@molfar9049]

BB by Hambini aged 5!

[@WeRideSouth]

Something tells me we are never going to get those shirts now.

[@petarmiladinovic4126]

lol @ me, I expected "HELLOOO Hambini fans" for the intro :)

[@WeRideSouth]

I know what I'm doing for the follow up lol

[@timtaylor9590]

most bearings do need to break in, but yea his are usually nice right out the box

[@baker2niner]

cool topic, but the questions are all around fit and alignment. Hambini just dropped a vid flap sanding a CF Cannondale BB with a hose clamp. Ugh. Not even Cannondale gets it right. Spin test means little.

[@WeRideSouth]

I just saw that video drop. I've got it on my to-watch-list. I agree spin test means very little, I was just being sarcastic about it being the end-all test. The crank spin definitely feels better on actual rides.

[@baker2niner]

@@WeRideSouth Just seems like CF frames can be a crapshoot, whether $400 or $2000.

[@WeRideSouth]

@@baker2niner agreed!

[@ArteUltra1195]

Hey Andrew, back with some more questions: This will be my first real custom bike, so I am not sure if the bottom bracket is included in the frame/ in a complete groupset (for example shimano 105) or if I need to buy it separatly. I´ve also noticed that you dont use the 28mm gravel tres from lightcarbon, but deeper ones. I´ve asked lightcarbon about wheel options, but they told me that the wheels is specificly for their gravel bikes, even though I would love deeper rims.

[@WeRideSouth]

I did not receive a BB with my frame. Sometimes if you purchase a complete groupset new it will come with a BB, but the seller usually indicates that. As far as wheels go, LC does make a "gravel specific" wheel, but looking at the wheel specs, they just look like XC mountain bike rims. The only real difference is the bead lock system. I opted for the LC Asymmetric disc rims on DT350 hubs and Sapim CX rays. ASD38C-DISC in the front and ASD44C-DISC in the rear. If you compare my rims to the GCX28 (LC's "gravel specific") rims they are within 1mm of each other in regards to inner width, lip width and max rim width. I chose to go with the ASD's because they are closer to Enve's AR 3.4 spec. I guess what I'm trying to say is, get what you want there is no such thing as a "gravel specific" it's all marketing. P.s. Colin Strickland won Dirty Kanza on a set of ENVE SES 3.4 AR.

[@WeRideSouth]

p.s.s. I go over my wheel choice in this video if you're interested kzbin.info/www/bejne/oKXQY5qkaq2Yn8k

[@edthatsit8035]

"Next week, we cook our steak well and drink Johnny Walker Blue with diet Coke"

[@WeRideSouth]

I'm assuming you have a cabon fiber frame not made in China?

[@rellupnikserof]

hows that spin test coming along? ;-)

[@WeRideSouth]

So far so good, I'm loving it. 729.5 miles so far, I'm going to do a video at 1000 just to address a lot of the comments I have received lol.

[@rellupnikserof]

@@WeRideSouth look forward to it👍

[@mikespringer7894]

Just finished up my china carbon build about 2 weeks ago I went with the praxis bb works super

[@WeRideSouth]

What frame did you go with?

[@mikespringer7894]

@@WeRideSouth tideace FM-r09 with 105 and superteam wheels im local to you (Bedford) if you ever want to ride training mode for the Big Dam bridge in arkansas👍

[@WeRideSouth]

@@mikespringer7894 no kidding? That's close. I've read about some decent elevation out that way, I may have to take you up on that.

[@WeRideSouth]

@@mikespringer7894 that Big Dam Bridge looks awesome.

[@mikespringer7894]

@@WeRideSouth sound good gotcha on strava no im not a creeper

[@alleywatson]

How is the quality on your lightcarbon frame and which model is it. Thanks for the video.

[@WeRideSouth]

My frame is an XL LCG-010-D. I have put about 1500 miles on it so far and have no real complaints. If you order one, I would ask them to send you the one piece rear derailleur hanger (they send a shitty two piece one I talk about in my other video) and I would upgrade to some OG-EVKIN thru axles because the ones they send suck. As for the quality, I can't speak too much on it as it's my first carbon bike and I know very little about carbon. I was going to send the broken frame off (another video I made) to Luescher Teknik to see what he thought, but it cost quite a bit to ship to AUS. Thanks for watching!

[@pikdahouse15]

Change the bearing buddy for a low friction bearing got the same problem 😜

[@WeRideSouth]

Thanks! I'll get some ordered

[@pikdahouse15]

Give me feedback 👍

[@WeRideSouth]

@@pikdahouse15 Will do!

[@Rexuar]

OK.. IF the frame alignment of bb openings are not align, it would not spin as much no matter what you do. Hambini obviously used or made the most aligned bb on a frame he can find to showcase and market his products. That's not to say his 1 piece bb shell design is not good, its great. The spin you showed on your vid is already great. Changing to low friction bearings without shields is very insignificant in terms of reducing friction vs. Bearing longevity. Think of a bearing with gunk in it... There goes your watts. If you just want the satisfaction of the freespin like in one of the videos, there is a very simple way to think about this. If you do 300 watts on a bike and you gained 2 watts from little to no resistance on bearings, you now are pushing 302 watts. It's less than significant dude. It is difficult to even maintain a steady power number on a power meter.

[@HyperbeastXion]

Hambini Said several times that the Spin Test is basically bollocks. It just is an indicator of misallignment of your Frame. If the frame doesnt fit to the tolerances the Standard hambini BB will change nothing.

[@WeRideSouth]

I agree. I think I did a poor job trying to edit in my sarcasm, I'm new to the video stuff. I love the BB.

[@chrisE815]

Video update/spin test please?

[@WeRideSouth]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/hp2amoZphMmdqpo

[@chrisE815]

@@WeRideSouth I was too lazy to delete this comment, but I found the video last night. Good stuff brother.

[@WeRideSouth]

@@chrisE815 lol thanks! I have about ~2100 miles on it now and it's still going strong. I'm about to order the removal tool and pull it out so I can flap disk the non-drive side as I believe it's undersized.

[@chrisE815]

@@WeRideSouth Would be interested to see that process. Be sure to share!

[@WeRideSouth]

@@chrisE815 I'll be sure to record it and post my results.

[@arzemagic]

It’s prob the drag on the bearing seals . I’m sure if you contact him he will advise 🚲

[@lukew2194]

If the frame ain't right then Hambini BB won't do shit. If the frame is right then Hambini BB is not needed.

[@robcalkelme]

I can see the difference on the spin from hambini

[@NorthernSkiAndCycle]

Considering $3000+ dollar carbon frames made by brand name manufacturers are off sometimes, I wouldn't be surprised yours is too. But at least you acknowledged that in the video. Enjoyed the video!

[@WeRideSouth]

Thanks!

[@dadaabul675]

Yep, spending 2k+ against a identical made in China frame, I'd go for the cheaper option, Hambini bb spins a little faster, erm. Don't like the music, sorry 👍

[@WeRideSouth]

@@dadaabul675 different music or no music at all?

[@DanTuber]

@@WeRideSouth none

[@BH-cy9tb]

I was just watching a video on press fit bottom brackets nothing special just a regular press fit. And his spun so fast and freely. There is definitely something wrong with yours. It should spin much faster. Hope you figured it out over these months.

[@MP48]

The bearings have to run in for a few hours. No new bb is going to spin freely.

[@fullmetaljacket765]

Please do a follow up video on the BB performance.

[@WeRideSouth]

That's the plan! I'm going to put a couple thousand kms on it and see where it's at.

[@brettcrf]

You never measured the frame bb ?

[@WeRideSouth]

The diameter?

[@raivkka4313]

@@WeRideSouth Yes, if the inside diameter of the BB it will compress the Hambini BB Shell, thus compressing the bearings. He just did a video of a bike that had that exact problem.

[@Thecrazyvaclav]

Couple of points, Clamp your bike properly so it doesn't wobble about Sort your lighting out,couldn't see much because it was too dark,and you were too far awY

[@bbarber6845]

If you watch his videos he even says a spin test only tells you so much. After 100 miles what does it feel like? 1000 miles on the crank means nothing, it’s the bearings. And man, how you clamp that frame

[@jackychng25]

please clamp your bike on seat post, very painful to see your frame moving around while u working

[@quepasatony123]

Jacky Chng yep

[@WeRideSouth]

If I clamp my seat post then all the seat post anti clampers will come out of the wood works. It's a lose-lose. Everyone seems to have their own expert opinion on clamping carbon parts.

[@notorio526]

Crrrrack!

[@retroonhisbikes]

What was it like after running in

[@WeRideSouth]

It's very smooth. I'm going to give it 1000 miles before I do another test. On the few trainer rides I've done it feels like it's easier to spin at a higher cadence, but that could be all in my head.

[@retroonhisbikes]

Andrew Grabbs I have the bbinfinite bb with ceramic bearings. That spins for ever but not very good test. I’m not the fastest but I feel I’m upto speed quicker as I have ceramic jockey wheels and ceramic speed chain. I just feels easier

[@WeRideSouth]

@@retroonhisbikes I've noticed on my rest intervals I'm spinning at 100+ rpm without even thinking. Not sure if that's side effect of the BB or not.

[@yangguan4070]

What 1x chainring is that to be compatible with shimano crank?

[@WeRideSouth]

It's a Wolf Tooth 46T 110 BCD for Shimano.

[@najaneda]

Hambini himself says the spin test means nothing.

[@WeRideSouth]

Agreed. I guess my sarcasm isn't as obvious as I thought it was as you're the Nth person to tell me this.

[@bewwatson2617]

Actually it is a good way to identify misalignment. Hambini says so himself.

[@christopherfavor2171]

BB shell axis is probably misaligned

[@WeRideSouth]

without a doubt.

[@benzzoy]

That's actually what the Hambini BB shell is designed to fix. Are you saying the Hambini product is not effective?

[@WeRideSouth]

@@benzzoy I believe there is only a small amount of misalignment the standard BB can negate. Even Hambini has designed custom BBs with offset cups when the alignment is really bad.

[@johnnunn8688]

Why the music?

[@WeRideSouth]

comedic effect?

[@paullmight42]

appears your frame needs a hambini childlike inspection...

[@WeRideSouth]

lol I can dream.

[@paullmight42]

@@WeRideSouth how does it ride now?

[@WeRideSouth]

@@paullmight42 I have about 4000 miles on the bottom bracket now and it rides like new. There is still a rough spot on the non-drive side which I suspect is due to an undersized bottom bracket hole, but I may try flap wheeling it soon.

[@paullmight42]

@@WeRideSouth sweet

[@hoey2323]

Holy grasp that original BB was lousy!

[@WeRideSouth]

To be fair it was in my cheap Chinese frame. lol.

[@bobodapopper]

Sinkhole of money 😂

[@MookieZerang]

Your frame is out of alignment, diameters are out or concentricity is out. Is it a heap of shit?

[@dirkbodschard3961]

For me it looks like a quite disappointing result for the lot of money spent for the bottom bracket. All my BBs spin more freely than this and none of that is from Hambini, which doesn't mean that it is anybody's fault.

[@WeRideSouth]

To be fair, my non drive side BB shell is undersized which causes a pinch on the bearing. I'm planning on sanding it with a flap wheel to see how much better it operates (assuming I don't destroy the frame removing the BB lol).

[@jeremybnz]

Frame alignment shouldn't matter with his design, cranks should still run freely... could be a dud bearing if theres a sticking point?

[@WeRideSouth]

I feel like initially there was when hand spun, but I'm going to check again at 1000 miles. It feels great on the ride. I also bought the classic version and not the race. Someone mentioned that it comes with different bearings, so I may order some low friction bearings from Hambini if I can save some friction.

[@dravindarkcloudable]

BBInfinite........BBInfinite

[@brunonero123]

I cant comment on Hambinis BBs but being an Engineer I like his view on the bike industry BS! I did however own a bbinfinite which was incredible!!!

[@JohnonaBike]

I would not put that kind of torque through the bike on a bike stand..... that torque is going through the top tube where its clamped..... and Please loose the music

[@WeRideSouth]

I agree with you on that, but I looked at the video again, where was I putting toque on the bike? Also, I've barely got the top tube clamped throughout the video, if you look it's barely even in there throughout the video.

[@JohnonaBike]

@@WeRideSouth I understand what you mean as that is the way I clamp when cleaning my bike.... just loose but at the 6min mark it looks clamped fairly tight kzbin.info/www/bejne/hYOQoqhsZ7J5qZI

[@WeRideSouth]

@@JohnonaBike if you watch it between 5:46 and 5:49 you can see the bike rotating inside the clamp. Then at 6:27 the clamp pops right off with no force.

[@JohnonaBike]

@@WeRideSouth Yes I see now. .... you are right... and great video by the way. I have seen Hambini videos a few times so good to see his stuff being used and tested 🙂

[@WeRideSouth]

@@JohnonaBike thanks! apparently no one likes the music lol. I guess my next one will be in silence.

[@UwU5437]

Big amateur hour, taking care of a bike is simple as assembling Legos, anyone with arms can do it, doesn't mean it's always done the right away nor the person know wtf he's talking about

[@WeRideSouth]

Oh shoot. Did I install it wrong?

[@rossmoore-far2155]

You bought a cheap Chinese frame and you blame the quality on a Hambini BB. QA and QC is basically non-existent in a China factory unless a foreign quality engineer is on site. Don’t you understand ‘chabudo-ah’ ? Make it and make money now, about is ok. It’s why all the foreign brands are selling crap quality.

[@WeRideSouth]

woah woah woah, cool your jets. Where did I blame anyone? This video was heavy on the sarcasm; however, I clearly see that my poor editing skills don't portray this. I obviously watch Hambini and am aware that the spin test is not indicative of low resistance. I love the bottom bracket, regardless of a BS spin test. These are also brand new bearings that haven't been broken in. I imagine once I get to the 1000km mine will spin more freely (which will still mean nothing). Also, just because it's NOT cheap doesn't mean you're going to get a superior product. Hambini reviews expensive brands all the time that have shit QC and shit tolerances.

[@rossmoore-far2155]

Andrew Grabbs so how should you react?

[@rossmoore-far2155]

Looking for a quality frame is an extremely difficult thing to do. Do due diligence, avoid anything made in China, Taiwan is probably better. But seeing the difference between those is also difficult. Our biggest issue is believing carbon is better. It is so difficult these days finding something that is made outside China by some passionate people who want to make something amazing!

[@WeRideSouth]

@@rossmoore-far2155 I react by riding my bike and enjoying the performance gains obviously! Initially I set out to make an install video. I didn't give my opinion on it because I haven't ridden it. All I could compare at this point was what Hambini shows on his installs vs my install on my frame.

[@WeRideSouth]

But I do plan on revisiting the topic after 1000 miles. I'm almost there.