Big Dairy Uses Big Gov't to Stomp Small Farms

[@lwwarren]

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[@mattx9260]

IJ and big dairy are republican supporters, who do you think the repulicans are going to let win?

[@therifftones2198]

Save her farm.

[@sootymammal2891]

Buy local! Boycott those big companies!

[@roygbiv5164]

If everyone starts buying from small companies, they will become large companies and we will be right back where we started from. We a need a decrease in population so we dont need big industry.

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[@josephnebeker7976]

​@roygbiv5164 You are as bad as big government.

[@celestejohnson9227]

@@roygbiv5164there needs to be less waste.

[@mrdill7792]

@@roygbiv5164 you might get a few whackjobs to go along here but how you gonna convince china or india? The earth needs more people as without the lard pool of people you will get no new innovation to solve our problems.

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[@bidenhasdementia8657]

I'll no longer be donating. IJ has started actively censoring comments on their KZbin channel. An organization that doesn't practice what they preach, especially when it comes to our most important right, speech, doesn't deserve our support any longer.

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[@MacroAggressor]

I'm happy to be able to support them as well. They're doing the Lord's work, for sure.

[@mattx9260]

IJ and big dairy are republican supporters, who do you think the repulicans are going to let win?

[@jessicalindsey2616]

Thank you for covering this. The changes to Oregon's CAFO description affect more than just small dairy producers. Other types of livestock and market gardens are also affected. These small farms are not polluting the public water and this is really about government control and trying to shut down small famers and eliminate people's choice to grow or buy good healthy local food.

[@mattx9260]

there is a bit of misinformation here, when they say government they mean republican government. big dairy aka HAZENBERG DAIRY SAINT PAUL, 97137 are republican donors, Institute for Justice are liberterian which is republican. the ones who are pushing for regulating this business is prob DRAZAN, CHRISTINE (R). when all sides are republican i thinking the one with the most donated money (big dairy) wins.

[@YourCapyFrenBigly_3DPipes1999]

Specifically the big dairy corps are why they've been attacking raw milk producers and trying to ban raw milk sales. You even have insane milk "cops" that go around and try to find casual meetups of small markets where, under the threat of calling the police, they force customers to pour all the milk out from purchased items. I mean these people really take pride in their job serving these dairy giants, it's absolutely stunning. When people take them to court they try to gaslight the judge by saying that "no human has the right to a particular type of food and people do not have a right to health". That is their position. Yes that's who they are. It's absolutely stunning. We don't have the right to choose what goes into our own body or even know what types of elements it contains, such as in GMOs. That's right- freedom of choice and freedom to control our own bodies and life is not a principle that the big business overlords are will recognize- because of course then it means that they can't restrict these rights or take them away. Fortunately they haven't been successful everywhere, but most states still do not allow the sale of raw milk, claiming it to be unsafe, which is an absolute crock of shit. It's commercial dairies that are the ones that will produce unsafe conditions; small dairies and a small farmers care for their animals and always keep them in far superior conditions then you'll ever find in any CAFOs.

[@PureMagma]

I was born to baby-boomer parents, when women were so 'newly liberated' that they scoffed at actually breastfeeding. As an infant I grew increasingly more ill (raspy breathing, extreme congestion) and eventually the family doctor speculated that it might have something to do with the pasteurized milk I was being fed. So, as a last resort, my parents ignored all of the fear-mongering surrounding raw milk and began feeding me fresh milk from a Jersey cow and all my "health issues" went away. To this day I have to be very cautious around pasteurized milk products. I obviously have a much stronger reaction that most people, but I can't imagine something as heavily processed as modern commercially available milk products are having any health benefits at all.

[@forwarddiscipline]

It's a shame to me that those so called cops ever make it home after pulling that. It's treason, what they are doing. Arbitrarily abridging fundamental rights and liberties under color of law and under threat of force is high treason, and citizens may defend themselves at will against such violation of the law by gov. With the state of corruption, you will not get a trial, but a show. I'm always impressed by folks like IJ. How they get anything done in this era of u.s. gov is beyond me.

[@YourCapyFrenBigly_3DPipes1999]

@@PureMagma I'm sure Louis Pasteur had the best of intentions, but I believe that he mistook the issues with the bad milk during his time to the milk itself and not other causes such as sick cows and poor storage. It is my opinion that pasteurized milk is like dead milk. Fine if you just want a drink, but I believe there are lots of great health compounds in raw unprocessed milk. At a minimum, consumers to deserve a choice. I believe in the mission of the Westin A. Price foundation. It's awesome to hear that your health issues made a rapid rebound after consuming raw milk. There's a lot of intentional and unintentional fear-mongering out there about our food supply. Your folks deserve a lot of credit for being willing to question all of that. It can be scary to question the dominant assumptions of our time. And of course I believe breast milk for babies is best, if at all possible. I currently take a raw milk colostrum supplement powder. It's a little pricey but I feel it's really benefiting my health. Raw milk is pretty pricey near me but I buy it when I can. I like the taste, it's rich and tastes more vital than standard milk. Fortunately it's legal here in CA. I'm sure if the conventional dairy big shots had their wish it wouldn't be. I've also noticed that conventionally processed whole milk seems thinner than I remember as a kid. I wonder if they're increasing their water content in their final product. Seems like it.

[@YourCapyFrenBigly_3DPipes1999]

Sorry responder #1, KZbin isn't showing me your response for some weirdness.

[@forwarddiscipline]

@YourCapybaraAmigo_17yrsago "I was the second responder. Don't worry. It was censored by youtube. They didn't outright delete because everything I said was perfectly lawful and didn't violate tos. They didn't like the ideas I conveyed however, and that simply can't be allowed to be viewed. "What if people knew that had a lawful right to physically combat the tyranny of the treasonous? What if people knew that's the real reason we hate the constitution and bill of rights?" Tis the way of the world. Now I have to default to skirting censor with punctuation." Expert sooth interpreter.

[@chrishilton7259]

It's kind of crazy. I used to be part owner of a small zoo. One USDA inspector told me it isn't his job to write the regulations. It's his job to enforce them whether they make sense or not. The USDA required one zoo to provide fresh water to its seals even though seals live in the ocean and therefore do not drink fresh water. The zoo brought a bucket of fresh water to the seals every day. The seals ignored it. My zoo had a small herd of deer living in a large tree lot. The USDA gave us a citation because the deer could drink from puddles on the ground after a heavy rain. Where do you think wild deer get a drink? We always had fresh water dispensers available for the deer but they preferred the puddles. Don't think. That is not allowed. If it is written in the regulations, their job is to enforce it.

[@GreenTea3699]

We MUST stand up for the last of our small farmers

[@mattx9260]

IJ and big dairy are republican supporters, who do you think the repulicans are going to let win?

[@lukehart2420]

You also need to remove those people that thought that was a good idea as they know nothing about the industry they're presiding over. And check their bank info one time.

[@mattx9260]

IJ and big dairy are republican supporters, who do you think the repulicans are going to let win?

[@jtr82369]

Yup, when big corps can’t buy out small competitors, they use the Gov to regulate them out of business just like they do to stop new competitors from starting in the first place. IJ always doing the lords work 👍👍

[@AlienX511]

And they still protest like one in Germany that government doesn't give them enough money simultaneously pushing out small farmers

[@Strideo1]

It's terrible because the bias against small business is everywhere in our government from regulations to building codes to zoning restrictions. There are countries like Japan that have a much stronger culture of mom and pop shops where running a small business or store right out of your home is perfectly legal yet we can't even open food trucks in many places in the US, you can't cut hair in your garage on the side, you can't buy a truck and hire some strong guys to start a moving company without approval from existing moving companies in some states. It's everywhere and it's absurd. Anyone who says we live in a free country has never tried to go into business for themselves.

[@bruceatkinson7078]

It’s called “Regulatory Capture” and big business uses it to make regulatory compliance so complex and expensive that it chokes off small businesses and upstarts. Unfortunately, the Chamber of Commerce’s wing of the Republican Party (e.g., Mitch McConnell) supports this as much as the Democrats do.

[@chavitacanta008]

They are not competeing with big dairy ! What store can you buy Whole milk at ? Where can you get unpasturized milk ! Where can you actually touch the cow your milk came from ? What dairy offers milk from sustainable ranching ? On this theory if you have 6-10 chickens you are a large scale poultry producer ! In a lot of countries milk is not refrigerated until it is opened ! Eggs are not refrigerated unless you wash them and last at least a week ! Your great grandma new all of this ! Donate the milk and ask for donatations !

[@jtr82369]

@@chavitacanta008 Sure they are, thousands of small farms are competition to big farms, easy way to deal with current ones and to stop new ones is to pay a politician to create a law destroying them. This happens in every industry. Follow the money.

[@markstallings943]

Same thing is going on with Beef farmers too.

[@Wertyingf]

I had a small cow calf operation for several years and every time I sold calves I never got a decent price because I was not one of the good ole boys at the local stock yards so I went to selling to locals and said screw the stock yards

[@mattx9260]

IJ and big dairy are republican supporters, who do you think the repulicans are going to let win?

[@RpVane]

It's never corrupt when government suddenly decides to reinterpret laws rather then pass or rescind laws....

[@ZezimaMills]

Nope but paid, corrupted lawyers sure taint their image. 😅

[@b_uppy]

Well managed livestock on well-managed pasture need zero interventions. Healthy soil biomes safely handles waste including dung beetles breaking up and sequestering manure, carbon, etc. Soil is now understood to be dependent on soil life for fertility, pathogen suppression, weed and insect control, etc. To think of soil as merely chemicals and livestock as number of units in a barn or pen is to have missed new soil science of the last 40 years, too. It should be said that products from livestock grazed on diverse pasture are more nutritious, and the animals are healthier and happier as well. Consumers need to choose better at the supermarket. Shame on rpthe government for going after these ethical smallholdings that are using restorative ag techniques.

[@estherbrown4084]

What you and @YourCapybaraAmigo_17yrsago and @PureMagma and @litigioussociety4249 mentioned are just a few of the reasons to consider welcoming anything in the course of history, whatever its other characteristics, that can and will wipe out the socio-political order, that benefits "economic man" (at the expense of spiritual, upright man) and maintains him.

[@AlienX511]

# cut all subsidies to big farms

[@jessicalindsey2616]

The big scale farms get subsidies and then complain that small clean farms have unfair advantages because they don't have regulations for the pollution they don't create. The big commercial polluting factory farms should take care of their own pollution. And the small farmers should be exempt because they don't create pollution.

[@BlueGiant69202]

That's not really the problem but a symptom. The dairy industry in the USA has been going through a well-known cyclical overproduction problem that has plagued the industry for a century or more. It's why Canadian dairymen created supply-side management organizations with government approval and passage of enabling laws that made it illegal to own a milk cow in Canada or to sell milk without a milk quota. Overproduction of milk is still a big problem globally with dairymen protesting about low prices in Australia, India, Africa and Europe. The European Union had a mountain of milk powder that caused problems not that long ago and the most recent milk glut in the USA wasn't that long ago and led to numerous USA dairymen going out of business. See my playlist: Dairy - Americas kzbin.info/aero/PL84b1TR9XxFnop_rtxqIvg8yOcqVGZGP9&si=DF3lHwai8Z1cq-_z

[@gfodale]

If the big companies are concerned to this degree, they should be held financially responsible for this boondoggle.

[@Victim_I_Nation]

This story is the same for every industry. Thank you for taking on the cause!!

[@raymondzehrung9274]

Almost all bureaucrats suck. I wanted to open a bagel shop in the state of Nevada. I found a location that had a been a restaurant. Figured it would cost me about 75K in equipment, minor construction etc. Ha! The state listed the "requirements" for me to open in a previous restaurant space: 1: new transformers on the outside pole: 15K (I was not going to upgrade any electrical) 2: new 1 inch gas line, replacing 3/4 line: 25K (I was not going to use more than normal gas) 3: new balanced air exhaust hood and HVAC: 55K (could not use the old hood and heater for the space) 4: rip out existing bathrooms and make them 7.5x7.5: 30K (they had the minimum 55" turn around for ADA, but were not "exactly" 7.5x7.5) 5: submit full menu with all food products being tested for health: 10K (list all ingredients and have them lab tested for fat, caloric intake etc.) Basically, 150K+, just to "comply" with regulations on an existing space. Even more than this. And by the time I was finished "complying" I would have had "permission" for 1 each, 27" round table with two chairs. I told them to pound sand.

[@ypcomchic]

All Oregon has to do is write in the new law that farms with less than 10 cows don’t have to follow this new law. Who cares if big milk cries about it. Maybe they can reorganize their cows into smaller groups and do it the way these women are.

[@haveraygunwilltravel]

Because the left wing government wants the regulations. How can they control people with out heavy handed regulations. How can they control people with out a left wing corrupt law enforcement. The Chinese are laughing at it. A communist government they didn't have to lift a finger to install.

[@ryuuguu01]

Big milk paid a lot of money for politicians and they expect a return on their money. As long as companies can donate to parties or election funds (buy) or dark money can be donated, politicians will work for companies not people.

[@propbraker]

@@ryuuguu01 This!

[@actionjksn]

Honestly it should be applied to farms with more than 50 cows, or as many as you can free range really. Only 50 head is still a very small farm, and you can easily free range a lot more. Do you think all the wild buffalo and bison that have roamed earth have been destroying the environment? Bovines are a natural element of the environment. It's the mega farms that keep thousands of animals contained very densely that harm the environment.

[@salmodan]

It should be based on animal density as well. Having 100 cows should be fine as long as your have enough land to support them without special handling.

[@jessicasnaplesfl7474]

The animals on these small farms are NOT CONFINED!

[@Beyonder8335]

They aren’t in the big ones either typically

[@cathytilford388]

@@Beyonder8335. Factory farms are.

[@Beyonder8335]

@@cathytilford388 perhaps but factory farms are a small minority of the industry and not representative of everything else.

[@curious736]

Read the full legislation. It's way more than simple confinement. They even describe anyone of a number of "surfaces" that you may have.

[@mrdill7792]

we call em illegal aliens. Calling them animals is a little harsh but it is a problem.

[@gerardjohnson2106]

Institute for Justice = Heroes Thank you for the work you do for the oppressed and persecuted. 👍👍👏🇺🇲

[@mattx9260]

IJ and big dairy are republican supporters, who do you think the repulicans are going to let win?

[@pilotandy_com]

For more examples of government overreach into these small farms, just trying to live how we always have, read Joel Salatin's "Everything I Want To Do Is Illegal".

[@LifeBetweenTheDash]

Got the book. Thx

[@handson4580]

Welcome to dystopia im glad your on the case

[@litigioussociety4249]

It's called regulatory capture, big business lobbies for the regulations thay they can profitably comply with, or are already in compliance with, that their competitors cannot. It's been going on for over a century. Agriculture has been infected by it for a very long time, and it's basically the job of the USDA to protect big business. The worst culprits seek licensing, certification, etc. to eliminate non-profit competitors, such as the AMA did in the 1920s to eliminate many infirmaries and free clinics.

[@scottmccutcheon9828]

Good points. Whenever I see and hear about cases like these my immediate thoughts go to "Chevron Doctrine" writ large, paving the way for the Leviathan of State and Federal kleptocrats to steamroll the smallest entrepreneurial operation out of existence and simultaneously stripping people of their God given rights. My understanding is that the SCOTUS is reviewing the previous opinions on Chevron Doctrine, but, I'm not going to hold my breath in hopes for a reversal? Why? As an example, I recently listened/watched a video of a short interview with Justice Kagan on the issue of Civil Asset Forfeiture (the incidents of which are on the rise). In the interview Kagan said, ".....we know there are abuses of the system.....but....." And that was how she ended the discussion. You should have seen the look on her face. It was that of a hollowed out soul. You could see she was trying to reason through the fact that C.A.F. is nothing other than outright theft conducted by "govern-ment officials" but it's so lucrative that how is the SCOTUS going to spin a decision that will justify the "govern-ment" keeping all those billions of dollars. Makes one wonder if we still reside in a Federalist Republic as established by our Constitution or, are we living in a kakistocracy? It may sell be the latter?

[@prohumanityperspective]

yup and Meanwhile Oregon brings in stray (and sick) dogs from other States. How much water is used for these dogs in shelters and rescues? Shelters and Rescues that are paid for by tax money (501c3) How much dog waste goes into the waterways? How much water is used by dog groomers? kzbin.info/www/bejne/b5LRgqCdr9R3ja8&pp=gAQBiAQB

[@justinxiao9098]

The same thing is happening at small-scale meat farms. Burdensome regs about how to sell "inspected" meat.

[@scottsatterthwaite4073]

Another example of a bureaucracy making rules (that are NOT laws) and enforcing them without legislative authority to do either.

[@fishmonger7020]

Man I’m so tired of it. I’ve decided to just do what I want.

[@kylelaw7210]

Legislative branch makes the laws, Judicial branch interprets the law, and the executive branch in forces the law. It’s balance of power 101. Bureaucrats shouldn’t do all three.

[@jennyrosd2003]

God bless them in standing up to this ridiculous overreach. !

[@johnruhd5917]

Some time ago my father had to buy an expensive as hell life insurance policy just to bid on a government deal. As a sole proprietor with no employees.

[@lopsided1]

IJ and all of us supporters and like minded folks everywhere, are what give me hope for our politics. It's time we all band together and get out of the Dr Pepper vs Root Beer politics mindset. The not so hidden secret of the big 2 parties is that they are both working to keep big business and big government happy. They distract us with issues that keep us fighting so they can maintain their power. 💪 to the rest of us uniting for the simple things that matter and unite us all. Freedom to pursue happiness and live together in peace. 🇺🇲

[@Strideo1]

The right to earn an honest living should been included in the Bill of Rights. Giant corporations are using government regulations all the time to crush small businesses.

[@katiekane5247]

Pursuit of happiness should cover that.

[@Strideo1]

@@katiekane5247 "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" is a phrase from The Declaration of Independence which is a separate document from the Constitution and "pursuit of happiness" doesn't appear in the Constitution or the Bill of Rights. The Declaration of Independence was notice given to the British government and it is historically important and aspirational in regards to the American identity and what the American government should be all about but it not a governing document with any legally binding power. That would be the Constitution.

[@Sarcasmarkus]

Amendment IX. The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people. Amendment X. The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

[@TCR2025]

Now you know why GillBates is buying up all the farmland.

[@ckordiolis]

Thank you 🙏 for helping these poor farmers IJ! This is such an important issue that doesn’t get enough attention.

[@MrArbutusify]

I feel your pain. Here in British Columbia the same thing happened with the window manufacturing industry. We had a small shop that specialized in manufacturing single glazed windows for historic buildings. The big window producers got together with the Federal Government mandating all windows had to be double glazed and the jambs weather proof enough to pass stringent tests. Please keep fighting for the little guy.

[@Ike-e1k]

In Canada it is illegal for small farmers to sell milk if they don't have a quota. The large corporate farms have the government beaurocrats in their back pocket. A person can have one cow and it's illegal to even sell milk to their friends. This is totally outrageous!

[@eddecook9252]

This is why we donate to IJ. The thought of big government operation at the whim of big business is terrifying to us.

[@writerinfact1768]

I am all in favor of small farmers, their products, and the care they have for their animals and their land. I have donated to IJ more than once, and will continue to do so.

[@danieldeanharrison]

This exactly what happened in Canada… Don’t let this S*** happen.

[@BlueGiant69202]

I would qualify use of the word "exactly" but when Canada created the dairy producer controlled supply-side management organizations in the early 1970's, my grandparents who had a single milk cow were forbidden to keep it or to sell milk or buy a new milk cow. Overproduction of milk in both the USA and Canada has been a recurring problem for more than a century and use of hormones to increase production in the USA has not helped USA dairymen because it increases supply that is banned in many countries. There were milk strikes in the USA in the the 1930's and the 1940's that prompted President Roosevelt to give a speech on overproduction, underproduction and speculation. Just a few years ago, dairymen in the USA had an overproduction problem that led to low prices that put many dairymen out of business and resulted in the USA government buying $20 million dollars worth of cheese to add to surplus government cheese in underground caverns and trying to revise NAFTA to get rid of Canada's supply-side management system while globally there was an overproduction problem with European Union milk powder and numerous milk strikes and protests in Africa, and India and bans on imported cheese.

[@zayonkiber2510]

I hope this channels gets the recognition its deserves. This is a heavy topic right now.

[@daveblackman816]

Reminds me when they raided an Amish farm last month because they sold organic milk.

[@smoothtwh]

His name is Amos Miller. It's the old David and Goliath story. Hopefully Amos and other farmers like him will prevail in the end. They don't want anyone that is able to be self sufficient, self sustainable.

[@dragonwarrior4589]

It's for your protection...lol

[@scottmccutcheon9828]

@daveblackman816 You may already be aware, it's the same family operation the Feds raided a couple years ago, as another commenter rightly stated, that of Amos Miller.

[@Strideo1]

Is the Amish community going to fight back?

[@scottmccutcheon9828]

@@Strideo1 That's exactly why the Miller family's farming operation has been raided a second time. They have been fighting back since the first raid.

[@dudzinski324]

The FDA brought us the glorious invention- RoundUp. They deserve no trust from anyone.

[@ourv9603]

Did the person @ Oregons dept of AG who reinterpreted this law get a check from big dairy? Time for Oregon bureau id investigation to check on some bank account activity of ALL dept of AG employees. !

[@stillraven9415]

This is why we need more bureaucrats! We just don't know how to spend all the money we don't need.🙄

[@bubbajones4522]

SCOTUS is discussing Chevron deference case that allows these rouge ABC agencies to make rules as they see fit rather than just applying laws as passed. Hopefully SCOTUS will rule in favor of We The People but considering we have socialist justices, it's a toss up. If not then we may have to rely on the 2nd Amendment to rightfully make the government fear We The People again.

[@scottanddebranelson8419]

this is a prime example of big business working with big govt. been going on here for dang near the mayflower but it was going on in europe for a LONG time and i'm sure every other society has had the same thing happen as well. the love of money....

[@ryuuguu01]

Allowing companies to buy politicians makes it much worse.

[@scottanddebranelson8419]

@@ryuuguu01 rich dudes buying other rich dudes has been going on for quite some time now but yeah it makes a flawed system (which they all are to varying degrees, ours being the least flawed of course) worse than it needs to be.

[@actionjksn]

Actually we came from nothing and became a very wealthy nation in a remarkably short period, specifically because we didn't have a super invasive government. This was what made us the greatest country ever. This is why people got on very slow and dangerous small ships and came here to escape Europe. We have lost our way and that is why we are in decline, this is not happening naturally it is planned. Our country wasn't always like this and It's relatively recent, way less than 100 years.

[@scottanddebranelson8419]

@@actionjksn do you actually believe that the dudes who made buggy whips didn't try his best to keep his monopoly on the market of his town way back in the day by either "electing" himself or buying his neighbor on the town council? or the dude who sold plows didn't try and at least influence the local politicritters to help ensure he was the only dude to sell and repair his products? or ship builders, you can best believe the sail maker tried his best to be the only one to supply those sails. it gets worse when you look at what the cattleman and farmers did. and one of the worst travesties is the railroad barons activities. so don't kid yourself into thinking that corruption hasn't been around since dang near the beginning.

[@ryuuguu01]

@@actionjksn Nice American exceptionalism mythology "This is why people got on very slow and dangerous small ships and came here to escape Europe." But you forgot about the 25% in the 1700s that were sent over on prison ships and sold as cheap labor to rich immigrants. The greatest homicide rate in the G7, the lowest life expectancy in the G7.

[@renees1021]

My grandparents had a few cows they milked. They didn't harm anyone or anything. This is a stupid thing being used on the small farms. I'm happy to learn the IJ is with the farmers.

[@guitaristmichaelstark]

Go small business,local,ownwership(not renting from criminal government),and for Humanity not control over it.Whatever governments are spewing out go the opposite way and you'll be right on track.

[@1949MC]

Thank you for everything you do to fight the ridiculous, constant government interference in our lives! Gid bless you and protect and aid you!

[@danrubin4506]

A great example of regenerative farming, helping restore soil, grow healthy food and limit carbon load into the atmosphere. Of all the places, the State of Oregon should understand this. Bureaucracy at its worst, serving vested interest, not human health or sustainability. Must be challenged.

[@johnnyreb8030]

To much Government. Thank God for IfJ!!

[@mrsmiley631]

Big dairy traded this "unfair competitive advantage" for economy of scale.

[@JustinPulliam]

Exactly. And with their windfall revenue they hired lobbyists.

[@Marswipp]

@@JustinPulliam They were clearly digging for a loophole to abuse in the antitrust laws, if you ask me. Now, we gotta close it with some indestructium.

[@hastyhillfarmand4x480]

Basically every single dairy farm in Virginia has closed

[@JohnAdams-mu7xd]

Yeah because that was the whole idea of government that's exactly what they wanted and Farmers complied like they always do when it comes to poisoning our food.

[@hastyhillfarmand4x480]

​​@@JohnAdams-mu7xd💯 I know more than one farmer who punched their own ticket over the government running their generationally owned family run farms. They tried to make us fence off every creek that bordered our land because "cow manure is polluting the water" ...as if every time a cow poops or pees they run to the creek and do it there, not to mention, it was never a problem before. We got out of doing it for now, but they're still after us about it. We have beef cows. Also, creeks are at the bottom of hills, when it rains 2 inches of rain in 24 hours, where do they think the poop and pee runs to... It's just to try and shove us out.

[@hastyhillfarmand4x480]

​@@JohnAdams-mu7xdI typed out a 2 paragraph response to you just now, detailing how they've tried to run us out and other farms in our area and KZbin removed the comment in less than 30 seconds...

[@hastyhillfarmand4x480]

​@@JohnAdams-mu7xdKZbin keeps removing my response to you when I try to explain what's happening to us...

[@JohnAdams-mu7xd]

@@hastyhillfarmand4x480 we know what's happening to you the same thing that's happening to us they're terrorizing us and we continue to comply.

[@hillogical]

My question is this: How is Oregon managing the waste runoff of wildlife??

[@Strideo1]

Sorry but this question doesn't made sense. If you put ten thousand cows in the same place and they aren't allowed to migrate then it will cause waste and sanitation issues. These giant factory farms aren't raising free range cattle that have thousands and thousands of acres of land to disperse their waste across. If you've ever been in a cattle town and get near the feed lots you smell that concentration of waste from more than a mile away and you don't concentrated manure runoff going into a local creek or river.

[@hillogical]

@@Strideo1 The question makes no sense because the application of this law to THREE cows makes no sense. If they are going to apply the law to this farm, the runoff of a herd of deer could be more impactful to the water supply. This operation is NOT a case study in the situation you provide.

[@tomreisinger6220]

I'd be happy if the state would keep their livestock of the roads, but they are not liable for that either.

[@Verb130]

Almost all government regulation and rules are about barriers to entry to protect others with the most money. I have family members that have a small grass fed beef ranch. The pressure for corporate integration of agriculture is tremendous. The small agriculture farms and ranches are quickly becoming a thing of the past, as large corporate operations that span across nations (not just states) are actively trying to suppress small independent ranchers and farmers. Sad

[@jasonfox6013]

Go get em IJ I really hope this all works out for these farmers i respect what you do IJ whole heartedly much love from New Zealand guy's

[@BeFree8]

Thank God for IJ who will fight for our rights and freedoms. We all must take a stand for our rights and freedoms if we are to keep them.

[@qrzupsjohnson707]

I love that you guys stand up for the little guy

[@TheSimba86]

in case you haven't figured it out yet, they don't want you eating anything they haven't messed with in some way, they don't want you feeding or supporting yourself

[@daveblackman816]

Bingo.

[@Steve-yo4ld]

Control at every level of our lives! One day, the left-wing elites will be looking over the castle walls as us peasants once again!👌

[@dragonwarrior4589]

Yup... " You will own nothing and be happy. "

[@JavarMoppin-tw6qz]

Satan is the ruler of this world and greedy psychopaths are his children.

[@jasonmurdoch9936]

A huge problem in this country thank you for sticking up for the little guy

[@Hoofer001]

As a hoof trimmer for large dairies in Oregon I’m just now hearing about this. Don’t believe any of my costumers would support such a bill.

[@DerakosZrux]

I really just can't with stories like this. I get so angry.

[@norxgirl1]

Just recently purchased a share in a milk cow....fresh raw milk.....best milk I have ever tasted...in my life. I grew up eschewing milk, even as a little first grader at a small private school - told them I was "allergic"...snicker.....yuck, nasty tasting, mucus producing, pasteurized milk. Don't have these issues with the raw milk. I feel cheated. Almost 70-years-old and never tasted fresh raw milk before. And guess what? I kept expecting it to be mucus producing, but it's not....at all. Thank you for protecting a healthy food source that many thrive on.

[@JavarMoppin-tw6qz]

If you go far back enough you'll soon realize that the industrial system is the real start of the 666 beast system.

[@elladoz1966]

Corporate greed 🤔. Thank you for caring and sharing ❤.

[@MeRiaNevaMynd]

Such sweet people, I wish them all the luck in the world ☘️ The USDA needs a wake up call, been a long time coming... Thank you IJ ❤

[@elund408]

We need less government, We need to be able to buy straight from the small producer, meat, fish, honey, eggs vegetables. with out competition we are forced to deal with big producers.

[@markstevenson6635]

We need less corporate money/dark money going to campaigns. But money is now free speech and those whose "speech" is biggest make the rules. Smaller government won't stop that.

[@nancykurtz7333]

Maybe everyone who can, needs there own cow.

[@smoothtwh]

I like your thinking!

[@virginiamoss7045]

I'd love that; my grandmother always had a cow but she didn't sell the milk; she used it for the private membership hunting and fishing lodge they ran. The kitchen they had was definitely not to commercial standards what with dogs, cats and even an occassional parrot or two running around in it. However, I wouldn't want to have to milk it twice a day and process the milk twice a day never missing a milking for fear of the cow drying up. She never left the lodge for more than 12 hours at a time so never went anywhere away, even just one day.

[@billg.7909]

Big business is not our savior America. Corporations care about one thing, making money! We forget that at our peril.

[@joseevaniersel7280]

It's what happens in a corporocracy.. Government, money and enterprise unite in order to split the playingfield between them..

[@YourCapyFrenBigly_3DPipes1999]

Yes it's very sad and enraging. I've watched several explosive documentaries on this issue. It's incredibly tragic. Basically state and federal regulators are ruthless thugs (or do their best imitation of one) and seemed to take special pleasure in destroying or attempting to destroy the small family operations in their jurisdiction. It's utterly bizarre. You have to wonder how they got to be that way I mean it's. .. it's nothing that any normal human being with a normal conscience and a rational brain would behave like. The small competitor and the small business is at risk in every industry. Around me I see them going after small cannabis shops and getting them shut down or forcing them to move across the county or switch to a delivery-only platform. Of course I know this problem goes far beyond just legal weed shops. So long as you have dirty judges and disgusting State Police Pigs and local police that will do the will of these corrupt judges without question, whose judges will then obey the corrupt policies of shamelessly bought-and-sold politicians and industry regulators, then we're going to have a problem. Small operators in every industry are at real risk. Big business is a ginormous ruthless cartel in this country and they have their fingers everywhere. If small operators come under fire by a big player, they always seems to be those in government or enforcement that will be more than happy to target them without a a second thought. Once you're attacked by these people you can stop being naive. I hope nobody watches these shorts ever says back the blue. As I always say, don't say back to Blue they will never ever back you. They exist to thief serve and protect themselves at YOUR expense. and if you're not a big player AKA a big corporate big shot in some way or another, the local state or federal agencies almost certainly don't give a flying f*** about you and, if convenient or if they need to just help themselves to some quick cash may come and raid your business on alleged Petty violations, or just make new ones up on the spot. That's how they've been attacking all the small independent cannabis shops in my area. Unfortunately these people have no conscience. Their predators. If they see you as easy game they're going to target you. We can make better laws and that's one good step forward if we could ever get there, which it seems like we can't, but again, everything depends upon enforcement and justice in the courts and that is something I have seen is just as rare in this place. I'm not sure what the perfect solution is but we have to keep fighting for one that's for sure. Small operators in every industry are under attack by corporate predators and those who work for them and this shouldn't be allowed to stand. It's really stunning that these dogs who work for these corporate scum can do what they do. What kind of country do they want to see, I mean why are they so loyal, it's something I would ask? I mean do they think only large corpus deserve to do business? It's truly a mindfuck. I'm just curious what their end goal is. If they even have one. Put every small and medium-sized operator out of business? It's amazing too because these giant corporates are making money hand over fist and yet that's still not enough for them. And the fact that they actually find protection and enablement from policy makers, local enforcement judges agencies is what really gets me. This sickness is served by these people. It really is amazing to me. They seem to have zero awareness of what they're doing or could care less. What in the world would possess any human being to attempt to significantly harm or deprived another small operation of the right to make a living!?!?!? They're living in honest lifestyle trying to live off of their honest labor, harming nobody and they are certainly not commanding a large market share. There's more than enough market share out there for large players, medium-sized regionals or smaller corps, and small mom and pop operations It's just a mind fuck It's just an absolute mind blow. Edit: sorry for the rough unedited text to speech transcript everyone. Editing on a phone is such a pain.

[@JavarMoppin-tw6qz]

Satan is the ruler of this world and greedy psychopaths are his children.

[@JavarMoppin-tw6qz]

Satan is the ruler of this world and greedy psychopaths are his children.

[@JavarMoppin-tw6qz]

Satan is the ruler of this world and greedy psychopaths are his children.

[@JavarMoppin-tw6qz]

Satan is the ruler of this world and greedy psychopaths are his children.

[@JavarMoppin-tw6qz]

Satan is the ruler of this world and greedy psychopaths are his children.

[@johnvilla4973]

This is typical big business forcing regulation to monopolize small business. The one small business has no impact but the thousands of mom and pop together pose a larger % . Sara & Christine's farms have been the backbone of an American Dream of self sustainable intelligent conservation that replenishes land while you eek out a local fresh commodity. I love what my wife and I do with our small farm in California. It's hard satisfying work that does not affect the world. Yes, she cans everything, sauces, veggies, eggs, chicken. Her dad was a farmer, his dad, etc. We cannot allow big business or urban people that never ever lived our way to cost us out of our American Dream.

[@jvidas1]

Thanks for sticking up for the little guy IJ.

[@clarence-s7t]

THE INSTITUTE FOR JUSTICE SHOULD LOOK IN TO THE AMOS MILLER CASE IN PA

[@Uliengue]

Antitrust laws would of prevent this move, transparency in lobbying and regulation would also help.

[@MRBoatwrights]

The enviromental problems are not necessarily about the number of cows but the ratio of cows to acres of land. Three cows on a quarter acre lot non stop would cause all the same environmental problems as a ten thousand head on a commercial dairy. On the other hand if you where grazing ten thousand cows on thirty thousand acres of farm land with proper rotation and management there would be no negative impact, it would actually be beneficial for the environment. You could grow crops in rotation with no chemical fertilizer. Its all about working with nature.

[@NiaLaLa_V]

There is a charity in Texas that helps farmers convert their operations. Rowdy Girl Sanctuary owned by Renee King Sonnen. She's amazing.

[@katiekane5247]

Thanks again IJ, doing great things!

[@PepeToTheMooon]

The cows are lacking the mRNA in them. Can’t have that!

[@timecode37]

mRNA? If cows or you didn't have mRNA in them you couldn't live because without mRNA there wouldn't be proteins and with that anything down the line🤔

[@virginiamoss7045]

Ah, now here's a tin foil hat comment.

[@PepeToTheMooon]

@@virginiamoss7045 and here’s someone who can’t read sarcasm.

[@thesuperdingos]

@@virginiamoss7045man, yall really have to stop throwing around the “tin foil” term. It’s embarrassing at how much it’s used and often, not in the right context at all.

[@jacobthompson603]

"Unfair competitive advantage" of a small farm... what kind of lunacy is that?

[@ArloPignotti]

And there's an equivalent to this malicious regulation in nearly every industry I've tried to be involved with. I wish I had known about the IJ years ago.

[@JayNuffer-wo5yl]

I am so sorry that you have to go through this. Stay strong.. keep your chin up

[@jackburton2680]

Absolutely disgusting and every politician going along with this needs to be identified by name and widely publicized. Hopefully enough voters who care about small businesses and support agriculture make their views known

[@timclark7507]

This is a great example of administrative law. The legislature makes laws, not bureaucracies.

[@BillZBubb]

Love the IJ and the work they do. There does need to be a line between small and large farming operations. Obviously 3 cows does not have enough the impact of 1000 cows, but where do you draw the line? Any line drawn will be arbitrary and anybody operating near the line will either be hosed or have unfair advantage. Part of me misses the days we were all just small farms.

[@actionjksn]

The line is easy to determine. We have naturally had literally millions of bovine living with zero regulations, shitting and pissing everywhere and they did not ever harm the environment for tens of thousands of years. We call them bison and in Africa they call them buffalo. The environmental damage occurs when you have very large numbers tightly caged and housed very densely where they are shitting and pissing in the same spot 24/7/365. Free range livestock have never been a problem, and in modern times they are not going to suddenly and magically going to start harming it. Free range farm animals have been a thing for thousands of years literally. If animals can't just sit and piss in a field without destroying the environment, all life on Earth would have went extinct and humans would have never existed .

[@Lila_5451]

We have to support these small farmers

[@JustinPulliam]

Common sense would consider the stocking density. It’s probably safest at this point to be unemployed and play video games in government housing. Working is a crime.

[@Marswipp]

If working is a crime, living is also a crime. Same for not having a job.... I hate extreme capitalism.

[@garyalgier4811]

As a small car dealership in California we are subject to the same costs and bonds and insurance and regulations of big dealers it's about the big guys taking out the small one

[@johnnyswag2802]

This all started in the 1970's maybe even later, I remember the government going around and offering Dairy's we'll pay you to not milk. I know of 4 small dairy's closed up and took the check so now there is only 3 Dairy's and this is from a small town in Oregon also.

[@barbarabrooks4747]

How can they call it a confined feeding operation when the cows can go outside whenever theyblike.

[@JavarMoppin-tw6qz]

"Rules for the not for me".

[@baddriversofcolga]

The irony is by having to put in all that infrastructure in it's actually worse for the environment due to all the materials and related emissions with implementing it.

[@TheCripeCrew]

There’s stupid regulations like this going on in every state.

[@rhondaholland4604]

Thank you IJ!

[@gailcarey3597]

Our indigenous people in the US are trying to reintroduce native methods of agriculture. Will they be suppressed?

[@SmB-s9i]

Why are small operations more important than the multitude of other medium and (gasp!) large family operations that have to comply with CAFO regulations?? Equal protection in the 14A still applies.....right????

[@nsvo9038]

Oh man the mental gymnastics here are impressive. No one is more important. However differences matter, and the environmental effect of a handful of cows is different than that of 10,000

[@jeffglasow]

in cal. d.a. said my raw milk deserves the same level of scrutiny as meth production. raw milk is a trace mineral and nuetient delivery methode. your food is the medicine. monopolizing the food supply is not new. big dairy big farm fast food of death. happy armagedon and good luck

[@bikechickluvs2groove]

These regulations are put in place to destroy the small farmers. Hope you win against these big greedy companies and government.

[@unbreakable7633]

Andy Jackson warned us a long time ago. Only gotten worse.

[@votehuss4833]

Sad

[@FlamingBasketballClub]

Anyone wanna hear something that's ridiculously insane? In Canada raw milk has to be legally sold as pet consumption at least in grocery stores. 🌚🌝

[@TMarkLenthall]

It's not big corporations that are the problem, it's those profit hungry shareholders, demanding dividends. Oh, and the corporation office holders that get stock options.

[@ryuuguu01]

It is the politicians that big companies buy with campaign donations.

[@markstevenson6635]

Dividends are so passe. Capital gains taxes are so low that stock price is what they care about most.

[@plasmaman9592]

I wish you guys would help fix the problem in virginia. I can't buy milk from a small farm. My understanding is the only way it to lease part of a farm or cow to make me fall under the regs of ownership. Basically, if I want local milk. I have to pay like$50 bucks a month. I forget the exact amount but it ended up being 3x the price per gallon of what it costs in the store and I would have to sign up for a year. I didn't do it because I don't even know what milk right out of the cow tastes like and committing to that much money for the year on something I might not like the taste of is not a risk I'm willing to take. I think they call it a co-op program or something like that. I don't know, it sounded convoluted to me. But you can't get milk at the local farmers market because of the some type of regulations

[@plasmaman9592]

I guess it's like herd share.

[@JavarMoppin-tw6qz]

Jews.

[@michaellowe9530]

The Oregon government is CRACKED!!!

[@THall-vi8cp]

If SCOTUS overturns _Chevron_ then IJ might have an easier time arguing this case.

[@katadam2186]

The Big Corporations have been crushing small businesses for decades that’s why the small restaurants and mom and pop shops went out in large numbers in the 90’s and they are still marching to take out more.. Small businesses unite All types

[@theadjuster6760]

Who the hell is dept of ag to tell them folks what to do on their land!