Andrew Seidel is a constitutional expert and author of "The Founding Myth: Why Christian Nationalism is Unamerican." He joins Seth Andrews for a frank discussion about the state of the United States. Andrew's book: amzn.to/3qgSxh3
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@rachellebrady15173 жыл бұрын
Listening to channels like yours gave me the courage to leave my Christian nationalist family and build a new way of life and healing for me and my child. Thank you.
@stephenwodz75933 жыл бұрын
Good luck to you. Leaving your family can't be easy.
@johnthijm51133 жыл бұрын
Good luck. I never had that problem. I was born without a god concept and never been indoctrinated in some sort of religion. I remained my whole 64 life without a god concept. But then again if you live in secular Holland nobody gives a damn if you’re an atheist. Thank god. Oeps 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@JB-js4xi3 жыл бұрын
I hope you will enjoy the wide secular world and all it has to offer. Congratulations on your freedom
@AndrewLSeidel13 жыл бұрын
Congratulations, Rachelle. That is a truly impressive achievement.
@onedaya_martian12383 жыл бұрын
Always remember that life is a buffet and religion is like only having a bowl of rice. A good tool in walking in the garden of life is to laugh when there is joy, and laugh harder when there are challenges...that is a difficult habit to work on, but try it out a few times and watch the results.
@starseedshan62943 жыл бұрын
“The religious mind is primed to accept lies.” Exactly!
@Soapandwater63 жыл бұрын
Christians have already cleared space in their brains to accept religious delusion. Should be pretty easy for them to accept any other nonsense.
@NeverTalkToCops13 жыл бұрын
Only a little bit more than non religious minds. Deception is built into the human condition as a survival mechanism.
@starseedshan62943 жыл бұрын
@@NeverTalkToCops1 Good point.
@luke18352 жыл бұрын
@@NeverTalkToCops1 Your point is true but I would absolutely argue it's more than just a 'little bit'. It is a systematic teaching that there is something beyond logic and reason.
@godloves91632 жыл бұрын
That includes the deluded atheists. DNA coded itself 🤦🤦
@AndrewLSeidel13 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the kind words everyone.
@janwoodward73603 жыл бұрын
Love listening to you explain the realities of our laws. Keep it up.
@onedaya_martian12383 жыл бұрын
Your work is very, very, very important.
@paulrichards68943 жыл бұрын
i try to watch every show you are on..think you are brilliant......greetings from your ex masters in the UK
@andrebrown89693 жыл бұрын
Great job as always. I know they do not talk about the deep christian element fundamental within the insurrection in the mainstream media, glad you guys do. But as someone from Jamaica and then the UK, now here, I always wondered about the deep reverence to the constitution, when life and times obviously change. That thing should be forever changing in my view.
@TD-np6ze3 жыл бұрын
Right on! Jan 6 = America's Peasants Crusade Will USA Democracy go same as Cathars? Christian Nationalists Infiltrated Legislative, Administrative and Judiciary FEDS, STATES and Local Govt!
@markprater13 жыл бұрын
"The Religious Mind is primed to accept lies..." Wow That explains A LOT
@pollypockets5083 жыл бұрын
As a former Christian, I agree.
@mickeydecurious70823 жыл бұрын
Cue the Q 😹
@Pandaemoni3 жыл бұрын
I think it's only necessarily true when you can tie the lie you want to push to their religion, however tenuously. We've just entered an era when politics are ties to the evangelical faith, which makes influencing their beliefs about political facts that much easier. But even atheists are primed to accept lies and bad takes. As humans we're not great at spotting lies and we all engage in motivated reasoning.
@HunderbarDachs3 жыл бұрын
One of my favorite rant topics. Glad to have reenforcement.
@shelliecarlson70153 жыл бұрын
@@PARebecca That's what I was going to say. If one can willingly accept the God lie, one can be counted on to accept, nearly anything.
@kiwibaldy33893 жыл бұрын
It’s better to be a warrior for good than a warrior for god. What a great line
@Hunter_Nebid10 ай бұрын
What a morally vapid statement. The arrogance is just staggering.
@mildredmartinez88433 жыл бұрын
Andrew Seidel is a person who speaks with knowledge but also with conviction. Thank you for having him in your show. I think he has a great future as one of the informed person who calmly and judiciously speaks the truth. Great for him.
@lisaspikes42913 жыл бұрын
You can have Andrew on anytime! He’s great! 😃
@DonniePalmer573 жыл бұрын
And cute
@cmasse642 жыл бұрын
@@DonniePalmer57 Yes! Definitely a cutie!
@elainejohnson69553 жыл бұрын
Two of my favorite people! Andrew Seidel and Seth Andrews!
@treefrog33493 жыл бұрын
Backatcha bro!
@Flum6663 жыл бұрын
Andrew Andrews Seth Seidel would be a cooler duo ;)
@Flum6663 жыл бұрын
@Lee Jones Set is the name of a god, didn't know seth was a demon, please elaborate?
@sarahchapman61343 жыл бұрын
My father was a Republican. His family had been Republicans since before the Civil War. When George W. began to mix politics and religion my father quit the GOP. Dad died in October at 93 and I am so glad he missed the treasonous crazyness following the election it would have made him so miserable.
@van33632 жыл бұрын
So sorry for your loss.
@lankmahr3 жыл бұрын
What do you think about removing non-profit, tax free status from any church that advocates for political issues and representatives. The laws are in place. I say enforce the law.
@AntifascistAllDay3 жыл бұрын
As much as many of these evangelical churches rake in they owe 4-5 years back taxes as well.
@YY4Me1333 жыл бұрын
Religions are not supposed to have tax exemptions, in the first place. Religious exemptions violate separation of church and state, and equal protection. _"Strongly guarded as is the separation between Religion & Govt in the Constitution of the United States the danger of encroachment by Ecclesiastical Bodies, may be illustrated by precedents already furnished in their short history._ (See the cases in which negatives were put by J. M. on two bills passd by Congs and his signature withheld from another. _See also attempt in Kentucky_ for example, _where it was proposed to exempt Houses of Worship from taxes."_ - James Madison, Detached Memoranda [emphasis added] press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders/documents/amendI_religions64.html
@lyndawilliams84343 жыл бұрын
Churches should have to declare income and expenditure like anyone else. They should however be allowed to claim for items which help others.. and prove the help provided. Its the biggest con in the western world.. in fact ALL the world.
@Dracopol3 жыл бұрын
What about applying laws to social media if they have anti-American practices like censorship?
@joqiii33 жыл бұрын
Spot on!!
@ShikataGaNai1003 жыл бұрын
Frankly, I don't want to unify with fascists.
@DavidPerez-de4ib3 жыл бұрын
Well you seem too nice anyway?
@onesquirrel27133 жыл бұрын
I hope you are not one of those people who consider everyone who voted for trump a fascist. Because, if that is the case and you don't want to unify with roughly 50% of all americans, you are in for a rough ride.
@caucasoidape88383 жыл бұрын
@@onesquirrel2713 Not every Hitler supporter was fascist early on either.
@ShikataGaNai1003 жыл бұрын
@@DavidPerez-de4ib I am not nice in the same way you are not bright.
@ShikataGaNai1003 жыл бұрын
@@onesquirrel2713 You say that as if I give a shit.
@treefrog33493 жыл бұрын
This is the most cogent and relevant conversation I have ever heard about the state of our nation in the current moment. I humbly thank you both for introducing objective facts and rational dialogue in to the national conversation. I can only hope that you will be broadly heard.
@aristotelian30983 жыл бұрын
And just as broadly ignored.
@godloves91632 жыл бұрын
Christian nationalism is part of a predication over 150 years ago and because of the bible prophecies. Start video at 13:30 kzbin.info/www/bejne/r6mwh4CcjrZrbNU All denominations will be deceived in the coming together, but there are remnant people who will not. And yes it’s against the constitution. Watch until the end of the video. It’s an overview of a deeper study really. Here’s a basic bible study: kzbin.info/www/bejne/aqqWpXd_gbZ5nqc
@steveb05033 жыл бұрын
OH, the IRONY of those "Fuck Your Feelings" t-shirts...
@KyaniMosaic_Crone3 жыл бұрын
The T-Shirts were bad enough. Locally here we have to sit in traffic with their jacked up trucks flying Trump flags & they have had their tailgates or entire trucks wrapped with the "Trump 2020 F*ck Your Feelings!" Written over the American flag. You can find the truck wraps on Amazon. And they don't care if you have kids in the car, they still drive aggressively. If they pull up near you at a light you know to put your windows up because they have a system on their diesel trucks that lets them dial how big the cloud of black smoke is that they blow out when the light changes.
@thehalloweenheavymetalmusicwar3 жыл бұрын
But yet, they are letting their feelings say it was stolen, when clearly it was not stolen, since there were no evidence of it, as 2020 proved to be the most secure Election in history.
@joannak75263 жыл бұрын
@@KyaniMosaic_Crone I call them "Dumb F*ck Trucks". I won't discuss how they correlate to penis size on this forum, but yeah, WTF????
@cd-py8bv3 жыл бұрын
@@KyaniMosaic_Crone Another good reason to disallow 8 yr old children from driving. LOL
@michaelsadach35713 жыл бұрын
d lolol
@davidsteer19413 жыл бұрын
I’m from the UK, I’m delighted that, even though our politicians are frequently useless, we at least keep religion out of our politics. I am just shocked at how this religious lunacy permeates your political system. I wish you the very best of luck in getting out of this situation.
@bakedbean373 жыл бұрын
"we at least keep religion out of our politics". Have you not seen how many clergymen get a seat in the house of lords by virtue of their religious position? We've still a way to go yet. And don't get me started on state funded religious schools...!
@bobbobbington36153 жыл бұрын
@@bakedbean37 Thank you for pointing that out.
@onedaya_martian12383 жыл бұрын
A dose of Jimmy Carr, mostly mixed with 8 out of 10 cats does Countdown, and the world is full of fun again.
@davidsteer19413 жыл бұрын
@@bakedbean37 25 Bishops sit out of 691 in the House of Lords, yes I agree it’s ludicrous. However, the House of Lords cannot connect any legislation, it can only amend legislation sent through from the House of Commons. In the event the House of Lords tries to block legislation from the House of Commons, they cannot do so, the commons can overrule them. So whilst it seems ludicrously anachronistic that there are 25 bishops in the House of Lords it hardly interferes with our political system. If you remember some years ago Nick Clegg when deputy prime minister announced that he was an atheist, well he didn’t really announce it he was asked a question and he answered the question. It’s caused barely a ripple in the political establishment, or the press, or his support base. Imagine in America if the Vice president announced that he or she was an atheist, there would be some sort of meltdown. I agree about religious schools, but that’s not a political institution.
@StaggerLee683 жыл бұрын
Religion out of politics in the UK? It is a state run church affair of note.
@agent_w.3 жыл бұрын
thank you for speaking out against this dystopian Idocracy world we live in right now
@DavidPerez-de4ib3 жыл бұрын
Righight, the net is closing my brojas, somebody has to know de way out, and we’ll all think, ha! I knew it!” And the line will be perfectly straight, like the surface of a lake.
@danspink22813 жыл бұрын
Excellent video with Andrew Seidel. You asked what can be done with the fantasy believers of Qanon, etc.? As a former Mad Man ad man I would suggest a simple answer: Targett the people who can listen, and then "sell" the truth: sell them on being a "real" American.
@davidhutchinson52333 жыл бұрын
Thank you guys. More of this is needed to inform those who don't understand the threat that Christian nationalism poses.
@michaelandrews83483 жыл бұрын
Great conversation. I personally want a more secular society, i know that it will be better for us all.
@SapphWolf3 жыл бұрын
"Tide goes in, tide goes out! You can't explain that!" Such a smart man.
@gorillaguerillaDK3 жыл бұрын
"F..king magnets, how do they work?"
@davidcadman44683 жыл бұрын
Gravitational pull of the Moon. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tidal_force
@davidcadman44683 жыл бұрын
@@gorillaguerillaDK The Electro - magnetic forces. Study physics. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetism
@SapphWolf3 жыл бұрын
@@davidcadman4468 Man... it's a quote from Bill O'Reilly. Something he actually said to a guest live on air. My "Smart man" comment was sarcasm.
@snate563 жыл бұрын
@@davidcadman4468 Then, how did the moon get there! Checkmate! /s ;)
@smity7393 жыл бұрын
I'm a Christian and I admit that religion and state should be kept far apart. Jan 6 is a good example of why the belief in 'the chosen of god' is dangerous
@smity7393 жыл бұрын
@Move_I_Got_This the same man who refused to be acknowledged as the chosen of God. If people want to believe it then that is their right as an American, but when they act as though violent actions and acts of treason as justified based on those beliefs then they are crossing a line.and throughout history politicians have used religion to control the actions of believers by taking advantage of their beliefs. I have no problem with believers, I myself am one, but I admit that a skilled public speaker with a hold over the faithful is a very dangerous thing.
@markdwolf31983 жыл бұрын
As great as it is to read your comment and being honest about seeing the need of separation of church and state, there are millions of Christians that would say you aren't Christian for holding that belief, you don't have God in your heart or you never truly accepted Jesus as your savior. And its because there is that division, even in your own camp mind you, that makes religious beliefs dangerous, the teachings draw a perverbial line in the sand on every single moral or ethical act one can be involved in and if your not on the correct side your burning in hell. Why are you a Christian? What is most convincing about Christianity opposed to another religion?
@smity7393 жыл бұрын
@@markdwolf3198 my belief doesn't require their approval. If they want to judge me then they can go on right ahead. Why do I believe? Because I chose to. And here is what a lot of Christians forget: there is the sinner, the heathen, the harlot, the pagan and the nonbelievers. And if Jesus was walking today he would have sat down, talked to them, healed them and loved each and every single one of them. The only people he showed any hate to was the people who made money off religion.
@thalgott33 жыл бұрын
@@smity739 It is good that you made your way to Seth's channel and I hope you keep coming back for more great content! I really appreciate your open-mindedness because it gives me hope that _all_ religious people will one day exhibit this level emotional intelligence.
@ReaXTutorials3 жыл бұрын
@Move_I_Got_This Where is the source for that quote if you would't mind ?
@susanurban63433 жыл бұрын
Excellent! I can'''''t wait until this Truth actually reaches the people who are clueless about how they are being duped.
@drm6293 жыл бұрын
Excellent and insightful interview. The christian nationalists have been politically successful in part because they are extremely motivated to vote and be politically engaged. For those of us who oppose their agenda, there is one thing that ALL of us can do: make sure that we vote in all elections, including primaries and runoffs.
@jhall2293 жыл бұрын
Two of my favorite people. thank you for your hard work with what you both do!
@YawaruSan3 жыл бұрын
It’s pretty telling about people who are devote church-goers would rather vote for someone that indulges their emotions than another person that regularly goes to church. Faith is all about believing what you want to believe, so of course it primes people to accept lies, all you need to do is figure out what lies they want to hear.
@bladerunner33143 жыл бұрын
"You are very special people" ... yeah, special needs mostly.
@snate563 жыл бұрын
@@bladerunner3314 You mean "riding the short bus"?
@caucasoidape88383 жыл бұрын
@@bladerunner3314 Not fair to actual special people.
@the_last_ballad3 жыл бұрын
@@caucasoidape8838 yeah, I use my autism to mildly annoy people and accidentally destroy things, not for evil!
@LisaD31453 жыл бұрын
Seth I think you are amazing! I am a Christian, however I listen to you daily. I appreciate your views and the way you express them.
@Richard-jm3um3 жыл бұрын
♥️
@christopheralthouse63783 жыл бұрын
All I will say is keep on listening...☺
@davidsommen13243 жыл бұрын
Interesting! Can you explain why you (still) believe in a god?
@Johnmhatheist8 ай бұрын
You must be having doubts about your faith if you're listening to an atheist show.
@stephenwodz75933 жыл бұрын
God is used by evangelicals as a weapon to support their views: "OH, YEAH? WELL, GOD IS ON MY SIDE, SO I'M RIGHT AND ANYONE WHO DISAGREES WITH ME IS WRONG!"
@leyrua3 жыл бұрын
It's strange how everyone thinks that God agrees with THEM, and that everyone _else_ is wrong.
@jasonwhite64633 жыл бұрын
"God is used by evangelicals as a weapon to support their views..." Exactly. Which is all the evidence you need to understand they do not represent the faith they profess. There is little difference between them and suicide bombers that scream something about Allah before they detonate. Religion is a pretext.
@caucasoidape88383 жыл бұрын
@@jasonwhite6463 Other Christians fail too often to call them out on it. They get to run with the common perception of what Christians are supposed to be to other Americans.
@jasonwhite64633 жыл бұрын
@@caucasoidape8838 "Other Christians" do call them out but that does not get covered. To get attention you have to be crazy. Sanity and faith are not sexy enough.
@Bookwyrm863 жыл бұрын
@@jasonwhite6463 Sanity and faith are opposing concepts.
@jhill48743 жыл бұрын
A problem is that the scammers can lie and it takes a lot of work and time to counter the lie. Scammer: False Statement Truther: Lots of information showing the lie Public: Yawn, too much information. The lie is simple and easier.
@onedaya_martian12383 жыл бұрын
It DOES seem your exposition is (sadly) just the way it works.
@davidhollyfield51483 жыл бұрын
Absolutely
@erichodge5673 жыл бұрын
This imbalance is our fundamental problem. By the time you've put together your factual case against one lie, they've moved on to the next lie.
@aristotelian30983 жыл бұрын
And I've seen many Internet atheists respond, TL:DNR I guess the lie really is easier.
@jhill48743 жыл бұрын
@@aristotelian3098 Pardon my ignorance... What is "TL:DNR"?
@liplockednomore3 жыл бұрын
Seth, thank you for addressing this issue. In this day and age, American politics CANNOT be separated from the crazy evangelical base😣😣😢😢
@DavidPerez-de4ib3 жыл бұрын
Rest assured, all the Christians in America will easily turn away from they’re claimed faith, the rest will probably get beheaded with all those brand new guillemots the gov has stored, clad with advertising just a nascar.
@caucasoidape88383 жыл бұрын
@@DavidPerez-de4ib LMAO
@rick420buzz3 жыл бұрын
When I was in fifth grade, in a public school, back in the early 1970s, we sang "Joshua Fought the Battle of Jericho" and "Ezekiel Saw The Wheel". Years later, I would realize that Ezekiel was having UFO encounters.
@walterbushell70293 жыл бұрын
Revelation is a record of a very bad trip .
@treefrog33493 жыл бұрын
Just gotta say it is so refreshing to hear good-hearted, rational thinking, well-intentioned individuals of an intellectual bent discussing ominously important issues that are germane to Humanity itself! Both you guys are my heroes. (For what it is worth I am a 72-year-old man who reveres "youngsters" like you guys).
@sharamrock25803 жыл бұрын
You guys ARE awesome. I feel like I am not going crazy with individuals like you gentlemen.
@robertwysocki20733 жыл бұрын
The Roman Emperor Constantine used Christianity to unite the empire, but it still ended up collapsing.
@elainegoad97773 жыл бұрын
Constantine's Roman Catholic Church has survived to this day. Just what's hidden in the Vatican Library ?
@Vhbaske3 жыл бұрын
Read the book titled The Mass Psychology of Fascism by Wilhem Reich to understand political christians
@DavidPerez-de4ib3 жыл бұрын
Agree, when a second word like political or nationalist is attached to the word Christian, it immediately is no longer affiliated with that religion and describes something else, perhaps similar, perhaps completely different, convincing, and most likely corrupt.
@imminentpenguin91843 жыл бұрын
Underneath 'fuck your feelings' - in print so huge it's too big to see, is written 'but MY feelings are more important than literally anything and if you dare trample on them I might just kill you.'
@brianlaroche88563 жыл бұрын
Indeed, and deep in the ny-wash. swamp. Judeo christian "god rule" its already well statist stablished, needs to get out
@cd-py8bv3 жыл бұрын
Another good read: "How to Understand Your Bible", by Manly T Hall, a 33nd degree Freemason. He points out the many contradictions that occur in the bible.
@kaylaandjimbryant82583 жыл бұрын
Add to that The Republican Brain
@joedanero53603 жыл бұрын
Seidel is always a breath of fresh air.
@vickiecordon78873 жыл бұрын
If you have not watched the documentary "The Family" on Netflix really made angry to see how far the tentacles of Christian nationalism has spread inside and outside politics.
@abjectt54403 жыл бұрын
If a politician ran on a religious platform in Canada he/she wouldn't get very far.
@StormiidaeBlogspot3 жыл бұрын
I've been watching this movement grow and flex since the early days of the Seven Hundred Club. Like a storm cloud in the horizon. American Taliban.
@onedaya_martian12383 жыл бұрын
Raphael "Ted" Cruz - part of Y'all kayduh.
@snate563 жыл бұрын
@@onedaya_martian1238 LOL! Emphasis on the "duh"...
@joseayala29403 жыл бұрын
Chris Hedges on his book American Fascists:Christian Right War On America talks about tha Evangelical movement influencing U.S. politics since the Early 80's.
@doneestoner99453 жыл бұрын
Two of my ultimate favorite guys, Andrew and Seth 💜
@Soapandwater63 жыл бұрын
Loved the Robert Ingersoll quote! I love, love, love that guy! His beautiful words are inspirational.
@jhill48743 жыл бұрын
The "Declaration of Independence" is NOT a binding legal document that governs the United States. It was, essentially, a letter to the king saying "bugger off mate."
@AndrewLSeidel13 жыл бұрын
Well stated.
@kathyheitchue20223 жыл бұрын
Ha ha ha how true l
@AdventureTrust3 жыл бұрын
Written in 1982 - The New Subversives: The Anti-Americanism of the Religious Right. Daniel C Maguire.
@thecomet19483 жыл бұрын
As a catholic I was taught to lie. Confession every week meant you had to of sinned in the past and needed to confess. At 10 years old that meant you had to lie so I learned to lie until walked away at the age of 13.
@carolhaslam6823 жыл бұрын
Can identify with that
@riandraegon5563 жыл бұрын
That exact thing happened to me.
@christopherseton-smith74043 жыл бұрын
@@riandraegon556 In my Anglo-Catholic parish in the Church of England fifty four years ago, the priest conducting the confirmation class I was in implied I could not be confirmed if I refused to go to Confession. I was eleven, and horribly well behaved. His campaign was quite abusive until my mother informed the curate she would address this with the bishop. The curate and the supervising Vicar of the Parish capitulated. The bishop was also the Vicar's father-in-law, so he presumably knew that such coercion wouldn't go down well. I didn't go to Confession, and I was confirmed. I am still an Anglican by the way, although I haven't always been so well behaved.
@eog50383 жыл бұрын
A Catholic mom told me about her young son's First Confession. The boy couldn't think of anything he had done wrong -- and the mother admitted to me that he was so well-behaved that this was reasonable -- so she told him flippantly to tell the priest that he had stolen a car! Well, that's exactly what the boy did! The priest was pretty baffled!
@jimpinel49653 жыл бұрын
I love Andrew Seidel. He is the guy we should be hearing right now. Thank you Seth for this conversation
@colclark1073 жыл бұрын
Great conversation! Thanks Andrew and Seth!!!
@JAZJ3 жыл бұрын
I would like to see a debate between Andrew Seidel and conservative KZbin personality, and author, Ben Shapiro. Shapiro is a strong advocate in the Judeo-Christian myth; he believes the U.S. was founded on "conservative, Judeo-Christian values", and if was not for such "values", the Western World, and the New World would not have progressed and become industrial, developed nations, modern civilizations. Let Andrew Seidel and Ben Shapiro know a debate between them would be a great event.
@JosephKano3 жыл бұрын
Shapiro would just whine at hyperspeed, gish gallop and declare he had won the dabate, take a crap in his hand and fling that poop at the audience.
@AntifascistAllDay3 жыл бұрын
It would be pointless and Andrew wouldn't lower himself.
@caucasoidape88383 жыл бұрын
As long as Andrew gets to speak his piece, I think it is best to get that out to an audience who otherwise wouldn't hear it. The goal isn't to convince Shapiro.
@69eddieD3 жыл бұрын
Shapiro is a putz.
@PariahQuail3 жыл бұрын
I’d love to see it. Seidel would give Ben Shabibo such an intellectual thrashing. That is, if Ben would actually engage and not rip off his microphone and stomp off because his opponent won’t follow a script.
@mmmuuuuuuuuiiiiiiiiirrrrr2 жыл бұрын
I can listen to you talking for an hour and not get bored. Wow.
@seraphjohanson34023 жыл бұрын
Christians have been raised to believe there is such thing as a “morally just genocide.” But yeah, god is love, right?
@goldleaf33333 жыл бұрын
"Thall shalt not kill", right? And yet their god is ALWAYS killing in their "good" book.
@florian85993 жыл бұрын
@@goldleaf3333 Actually, if you read the Bible, you'll find that it was mostly people killing each other. And often justifying it by having "asked God" (aka drawn lots) first. And, okay, God killing the firstborn of Egypt. But mostly, if God kills, it's killing wicked people.
@oliviawolcott83513 жыл бұрын
it was never framed as that... it was framed as the people were evil so god destroyed them for their wickedness. or god loved his people and he gave them a land to live in, but he also commanded them to clear them out.
@oliviawolcott83513 жыл бұрын
which still doesn't sound great, but in the headspace we were in, we just accepted that it was a good and loving thing to do. because yeah, god was perfect and he could do no wrong.
@loki66263 жыл бұрын
"Thou shalt not kill" but we need guns and the death penalty.
@davidsabillon51823 жыл бұрын
Andrew absolutely nails it.
@iamanomas3 жыл бұрын
It doesn’t say ‘we the Christians. The last thing we need is a theocracy. That is what they have in Iran folks.
@leftnutt97303 жыл бұрын
Iran before 1979 no, after 1979 yes, i wonder why
@care2think6113 жыл бұрын
The Founders vehemently opposed efforts to insert religion of any kind into our system of governance. They knew well the dangers.
@thalgott33 жыл бұрын
@@leftnutt9730 thank you. This may not land for the OP, unfortunately. I imagine the response, if any, will be..."China"..."Venezuela"..."North Korea"..."Cuba"..."Russia"..."Palestine"...
@caucasoidape88383 жыл бұрын
Our currency says in god we trust, because in practice money is America's god.
@CaptFoster53 жыл бұрын
@@leftnutt9730 actually, pre-1954 Iran was an actual legitimate democracy, complete with some women in bikinis and others in positions of real power. But then, at the behest of BP oil the west came in 1953 and our CIA assassinated duly elected president Mossadegh (who dared to nationalize that nations oil and shared the profits with the plebs) and thus brought "real" democracy to Iran by installing a good and holy shah (good, because he allowed the west to control the oil instead of Iran itself) ... well this ended in 1979 when the now radicalized masses took over and the rest we more or less know.
@MalikaBourne3 жыл бұрын
Wow! this video really resonates with me. I appreciate your objective and factual input. I was raised to be a Christian...I know how to read and think for myself now. It is too bad that many of the Christians I know and have known have not read the Bible: American history or the Constitution for themselves. IF they did, they might be aware of the Old Testament genocide etc. BTW: If the IRS cracks down on abusing tax-exempt status there will be Christians screaming how they are being persecuted. Jesus allegedly said to "obey the laws of the land".
@philleprechaun6240 Жыл бұрын
"Jesus allegedly said to "obey the laws of the land"." Well yes, but in a way that modern evangelicals will call into question, or attempt to deflect. First they'll try to say he was only talking about taxes, even though the context does lead to the broader interpretation that he was talking about obeying the existing ruling authority. *** Paying Taxes to Caesar *** Mat 22:17 Tell us then, what is your opinion? Is it right to pay the imperial tax to Caesar or not?" Mat 22:18 But Jesus, knowing their evil intent, said, "You hypocrites, why are you trying to trap me? Mat 22:19 Show me the coin used for paying the tax." They brought him a denarius, Mat 22:20 and he asked them, "Whose image is this? And whose inscription?" Mat 22:21 "Caesar's," they replied. Then he said to them, "Give back to Caesar what is Caesar's, and to God what is God's." Mar 12:14 They came to him and said, "Teacher, we know that you are a man of integrity. You aren't swayed by others, because you pay no attention to who they are; but you teach the way of God in accordance with the truth. Is it right to pay the imperial tax to Caesar or not? Mar 12:15 Should we pay or shouldn't we?" But Jesus knew their hypocrisy. "Why are you trying to trap me?" he asked. "Bring me a denarius and let me look at it." Mar 12:16 They brought the coin, and he asked them, "Whose image is this? And whose inscription?" "Caesar's," they replied. Mar 12:17 Then Jesus said to them, "Give back to Caesar what is Caesar's and to God what is God's." And they were amazed at him. Luk 20:21 So the spies questioned him: "Teacher, we know that you speak and teach what is right, and that you do not show partiality but teach the way of God in accordance with the truth. Luk 20:22 Is it right for us to pay taxes to Caesar or not?" Luk 20:23 He saw through their duplicity and said to them, Luk 20:24 "Show me a denarius. Whose image and inscription are on it?" "Caesar's," they replied. Luk 20:25 He said to them, "Then give back to Caesar what is Caesar's, and to God what is God's." Even if you can get them to agree that the above meant they are to follow the laws of the rulers they will make the exception that they only have to obey man in those laws that don't cause them to disobey "God's" commands, and then go about beating you over the head with all types and kinds of out of context scriptures proving man's law to be contrary to "God's". Even though the Bible never actually makes that exception or exemption. What is more telling is that the Epistles attributed to the Apostles Peter and Paul are more direct and explicit on the subject. And they were written during the reigns of rulers MUCH, MUCH more 'nasty' than anything the rabid religious Right has to deal with today. And NEITHER of them make ANY exception or exemption. Both clearly put Christians in the crosshairs about times when man's laws might contradict "God's". With double jeopardy on the man's law side. If you obey the law of man that contradicts "God" then you disobey "God", BUT if you disobey the offending law of man you are in violation of the commands of "God" to obey the authorities. At one time the term for that was "Catch 22" or "Damned if you do and Damned if you don't" *** Submission to Authority: *** (1st & 2nd Peter are traditionally accepted as having been authored by the Apostle Peter, BUT modern Scholars shine doubt on that. Especially since by tradition Peter died in Rome under Nero around 66-68 C.E. and both epistles were authored late 1st to mid 2nd Century... long after he died (if he ever really lived at all)) 1Pe 2:13 SUBMIT YOURSELVES FOR THE LORD'S SAKE TO EVERY HUMAN AUTHORITY: WHETHER IT BE THE EMPEROR, AS THE SUPREME AUTHORITY, 1Pe 2:14 OR TO GOVERNORS, WHO ARE SENT BY HIM TO PUNISH THOSE WHO DO WRONG AND TO COMMEND THOSE WHO DO RIGHT. 1Pe 2:15 For it is God's will that by doing good you should silence the ignorant talk of the foolish. 1Pe 2:16 Live as free people, but do not use your freedom as a cover-up for evil; live as God's slaves. 1Pe 2:17 SHOW PROPER RESPECT TO EVERYONE, love your fellow believers, fear God, HONOR THE EMPEROR. 1Pe 2:18 Slaves, in reverent fear of God submit yourselves to your masters, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh. (The epistles of Titus and Romans were allegedly authored by the Apostle Paul, although there is some scholarly doubts about their true authors) Tit 3:1 REMIND THE PEOPLE TO BE SUBJECT TO THE RULERS AND AUTHORITIES, TO BE OBEDIENT, to be ready to do whatever is good, Tit 3:2 TO SLANDER NO ONE, TO BE PEACEFUL AND CONSIDERATE, AND ALWAYS BE GENTLE TOWARD EVERYONE. Tit 3:3 At one time we too were foolish, disobedient, deceived and enslaved by all kinds of passions and pleasures. We lived in malice and envy, being hated and hating one another. Paul puts it best in Romans 13:2, if you rebel (or disobey) those in authority, they you are rebelling (disobeying) that which "God" has instituted. And you will be brought to account for it. I would go so far as to add that voting (and by extension campaigning) against the candidate that won is the same as voting against "God's" choice, and that voting (or campaigning at all) is showing that you don't trust that "God" can make his choice win. A severe showing of a serious "lack of faith" in "God" Rom 13:1 LET EVERYONE BE SUBJECT TO THE GOVERNING AUTHORITIES, FOR THERE NO AUTHORITY EXCEPT THAT WHICH GOD HAS ESTABLISHED. THE AUTHORITIES THAT EXIST HAVE BEEN ESTABLISHED BY GOD. Rom 13:2 Consequently, WHOEVER REBELS AGAINST THE AUTHORITY IS REBELLING AGAINST WHAT GOD HAS INSTITUTED, AND THOSE WHO DO SO WILL BRING JUDGMENT ON THEMSELVES. Rom 13:3 For RULERS HOLD NO TERROR FOR THOSE WHO DO RIGHT, BUT FOR THOSE WHO DO WRONG. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and you will be commended. Rom 13:4 For THE ONE IN AUTHORITY IS GOD'S SERVANT FOR YOUR GOOD. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God's servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. Rom 13:5 Therefore, IT IS NECESSARY TO SUBMIT TO THE AUTHORITIES, not only because of possible punishment but also as a matter of conscience. Rom 13:6 THIS IS ALSO WHY YOU PAY TAXES, for THE AUTHORITIES ARE GOD'S SERVANTS, who give their full time to governing. Rom 13:7 Give to everyone what you owe: IF YOU OWE TAXES, PAY TAXES; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor. Essentially though, nothing you can say will challenge them, or make them change their mind. They aren't really Christians, they're people using religion for political gain. They don't care about what "God" actually says, and they don't really believe or have faith. If they did they would trust that this "God's" plan would come about regardless of the actions of any politics or activities of man. They wouldn't be afraid of "communists, socialists, leftists, liberals, atheists, democrats, gays and lesbians or the rest of the LGBT community". They certainly wouldn't be fearing the actions of "devils and demons" or "Satan" because they'd 'trust in God'. The mere fact that they believe they have something to fear from those groups shows they don't believe their "God" is powerful enough to enforce his will or put his "plan" into place against those forces. I.E. their "God" is a powerless but sadistic and misogynistic impotent dickhead.
@gerrygillis95723 жыл бұрын
Happy to live in safe, sane and mostly secular Canada
@peterdeane44903 жыл бұрын
I hope we can stay that way. A friend of mine dragged me to a PPC (People's Part of Canada) rally a couple of weeks ago, and five minutes into the opening speech I was thinking: WTF?!! There isn't much chance of them winning the upcoming election, but a lot of their supporters are going to be voting Conservative as the next best thing. To quote Rick Mercer: In Canada, after all, we don't elect people to office so much as throw them out."
@angelicatheist7933 жыл бұрын
Andrew's book is a must read! Buy it!!!
@Ryansghost3 жыл бұрын
Great book. Readable, and absolutely stuffed with notes on sources, nearly all of which are primary.
@AndrewLSeidel13 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much.
@AndrewLSeidel13 жыл бұрын
@@Ryansghost Thank you!
@nativeatheist64223 жыл бұрын
Ok I'll look for it in bookstores.
@dj47453 жыл бұрын
I'm 65 and have been totally expecting this. My first introduction to the Republican party was a bunch of mad, screaming, hating people. That's when I decided to be Democratic and they have only gotten worse since 1973.
@thehalloweenheavymetalmusicwar3 жыл бұрын
So happy for you to have become a Democrat 💙💙🇺🇸🇺🇸💪💪 The Republican Party is a total joke, it's been a joke since the switch in the 60's going forward.
@thehalloweenheavymetalmusicwar3 жыл бұрын
Even though I'm a Bernie Sanders type of Democrat, I love that Joe Biden is currently our president and will support him as he is doing so well right now, doing most of the progressive things Bernie would have done if he were nominated and elected.
@andywinger50553 жыл бұрын
@@thehalloweenheavymetalmusicwar I agree. Biden wasn't my first or even my 10th choice. But I'm glad he's in the White House now and I hope he does well. I also hope to see a President Harris in 4 years. Look at all of the nations that have or have had female heads of state. Heck we're 33 years Pakistan on that score.
@andywinger50553 жыл бұрын
I just wish I had a better reason to vote Democrat than the fact that I'm voting against Republicans. Unfortunately, as I see it, both parties are controlled by a relative handful of rich guys. That's just more obvious with Republicans.
@Johnmhatheist8 ай бұрын
The republican party is the thoughts and prayers party. If anything bad happens, "our thoughts and prayers are with you" In other words, we don't give a fuck about you. It's your own problem. Deal with it yourself. I'm ashamed to have once been a conservative Christian who was a republican.
@IvarTheBrainless3 жыл бұрын
It's very refreshing to have all this truth so wonderfully articulated. Thank you!
@momszycat41483 жыл бұрын
This makes me sick to my stomach. I feel I'm watching the fall of democracy.
@DrumWild3 жыл бұрын
It's pretty much brain-dead and on life support, awaiting full organ failure. The law does not matter with regard to leadership. The Constitution is a document of law, and in this context, it does not matter. A country is based on the foundation of law, and since the law no longer matters, the country also no longer matters. At this point, we are just "technically" America, going through the motions. Those "public servants" earn on average $174,000 per year, they get rich from lobbyists and other grifts, and they have the best healthcare that we, the people, can afford. They're eating caviar and drinking Moet on the yacht, while we kill each other for a loaf of bread. The way our culture is structured is anti-family, starting with the cost of everything. And while leadership sends these costs out of control, they point at gay people, immigrants, and others with no power and blame them for it. I am 56 years old, and have been watching this happen since 1980. We are currently witnessing America on its death bed, with no possibility of recovery or recouperation. I agree, and also feel sick to my stomach. I take no joy in making this observation.
@bladerunner33143 жыл бұрын
@Glenn Heston The whole Middle East shows you the middle finger as a response to "did nothing" - your country waged almost three decades of war down there and all you have accomplished is create more enemies.
@happyangie6743 жыл бұрын
You are. We are the Roman empire and we are the lucky (unlucky) generation that gets to witness it in real time.
@8642morrow3 жыл бұрын
@Glenn Heston well how much oil has been transferred to US til now? normally if you want to run your tanks on foreign continents, you should take oil-factories. Everyone would take taktical (there was nothing economical in this) areas first.
@Soapandwater63 жыл бұрын
@Momszy Cat - It reminds me of the fall of Rome, except the Huns and the Barbarians are Republicans and Christian nationalists.
@geraldtomkins55453 жыл бұрын
7:20 I have made the same observation. Religious beliefs have conditioned us to accept ideas and beliefs in spite of contradictions and the lack of evidence. When you wonder how people can believe in insane conspiracies without a scintilla of evidence, I consider how religion has trained us ignore reasonable questions but to simply accept beliefs on faith alone. Religion has even elevated having faith alone to a virtue.
@chrismurphy88943 жыл бұрын
thanks!b this is exactly the information everyone in the us needs to learn/know!!!
@Mnogojazyk3 жыл бұрын
Among the best discussions on this topic that I have watched to date.
@caucasoidape88383 жыл бұрын
A vestige of important atheist conversation on youtube....sigh
@jhill48743 жыл бұрын
"A Handmaid's Tale"
@xstatic-ow5mz3 жыл бұрын
That show is racist. Black Lives Matter
@jhill48743 жыл бұрын
@@xstatic-ow5mz ???
@leothenomad56753 жыл бұрын
@@xstatic-ow5mz In what way?
@snate563 жыл бұрын
@@xstatic-ow5mz It's misogynistic, too. That's the point.
@the_last_ballad3 жыл бұрын
@@xstatic-ow5mz the concept of the book that the show is based on is basically "what if christian nationalists succeeded in rewriting society". It's in the same vein as 1984. They are critiques of ideologies with all the associated baggage of said ideology. So if the ideology is racist, then the book is going to protray racism, and therefore the show will too.
@ToddUrl3 жыл бұрын
Andrew Seidel, your analysis is spot on.
@marysteffens45313 жыл бұрын
Andrew I couldn't agree more about the Trump era exposing the weaknesses of our government. Now its up to us to figure out how to fix them. Where would you start?
@angelarice84183 жыл бұрын
Great talk! I love Andrew Seidel, and if you haven't read his book - get it! It was the best book I read last year. I can't wait until he comes out with another one.
@KyaniMosaic_Crone3 жыл бұрын
My husband's uncle is printing us up a shirt with one of the photos of insurrectionists praying at the cross & "Jesus is the Reason for the Treason"
@caucasoidape88383 жыл бұрын
That's awesome, but I fear for him wearing that in public. These people are just looking for justification to do harm to others.
@CaptFoster53 жыл бұрын
Perhaps it would be better if he used "Jesus was the reason for their treason" instead??
@historicalbiblicalresearch84403 жыл бұрын
Both sides know what the stakes are although Christianity is declining in the USA ironically it has never had so much political and financial power a second Trump term would have given them everything the courts, the schools, enhanced its immunity from the laws of the USA . So that's why they fought so desperately against the election result. We just have to hope that Christianity declines sufficiently in the next four years to make them less relevant
@derreckwalls75083 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately I think it is going to get worse before it gets better, and it is going to take longer than four years. If radical Christianity is in its death throes then we can expect more violence as it fights against it's own irrelevance and struggles to avoid oblivion. We see the same resurgence in Muslim states as modern values conflict with religious traditions. I can't stand the thought that we are going backward toward a theocracy when Western Europe is letting religion fade so peacefully. It goes to show how fundamentalist religion makes you irrational, selfish, and arrogant enough to think you have the right and obligation to enforce your beliefs on others. Hopefully we value tolerance enough not to permit intolerance.
@eddybrevet68163 жыл бұрын
@@derreckwalls7508 check out Putin, Cossacks and the church, sly dog Putin is herding them like sheep. All of Eastern Europe almost and big chunks western are heavy under influence, damm scary out there, the tale of the dragon is still long
@kiwibaldy33893 жыл бұрын
“They know all the words of bohemian rhapsody, and so they should. “ God damn right they should!
@douglasrasmussen4803 жыл бұрын
Religion, especially the far right evangelism orientation is deteriorating badly. However, history shows that any philosophy or governance that begins to lose power will have the remaining members double down in confrontation and violence. We are seeing this today.
@davidhoran71163 жыл бұрын
I know the example is contrived, but the Nazis damn near wasted away entirely about a decade before seizing absolute power.
@derreckwalls75083 жыл бұрын
I can only hope you're right. I've been trying to figure out whether the extremist religions are having a resurgence or are in their violent death throes, very much hoping it is the latter. My other hope is that the literalists, like Creationists, will get so ridiculously untenable that they will drive people away and rouse their opposition to their own detriment. It is unfortunate that, if the end is near for them, they have to act out with such disruptive desperation. But I think we have another half centure of this dangerous idiocy before it is resolved.
@douglasrasmussen4803 жыл бұрын
@@derreckwalls7508 - I know what you are saying. History suggests that when groups that have been in power or who have tasted power become increasingly aggressive when that power begins to wane. Additionally, members of those groups also tend to become more hardened. The hope is that this becomes less potent in subsequent generations.
@derreckwalls75083 жыл бұрын
@@douglasrasmussen480 Creationism's denial of science is one of the main factors in my becoming atheist. Science is making the literal interpretation of the Bible sound more and more ridiculous every day, and I think that has made non literalists rethink their beliefs as well. Without an irrational belief in the supernatural and with a scientific explanation for the natural world there really isn't much use for archaic religious delusions. I think deep down that awareness doesn't escape even radical believers, and it subconsciously terrifies them.
@douglasrasmussen4803 жыл бұрын
@@derreckwalls7508 - I have done extensive research into the bible and Christianity since being embarrassed several decades ago by a Baptist minister who used the bible to intimidate what was originally areligious belief on my part. I have been for some time now an atheist and the more I know of Christianity and the bible the more it validates the religion as based on false history, inaccurate historical connections, impossible physics, non-existent persons and events, failed prophecies and outright evil. Do some research and you will find Christian apologetics simply do not hold up.
@rachelwebber36053 жыл бұрын
It's fascinating to reflect on the fact that the very first Christians begged the Roman government to separate religion from state, but as soon as Emperor Constantine made Christianity legal those same tolerance-preaching Christians turned away from religious tolerance and promptly began attacking and actively destroying everything that wasn't viewed as "Christian". It's also interesting to note that Constantine was likely attracted to Christianity because he believed it would help him unify the Roman Empire, but was instead disappointed to find Christians arguing amongst themselves about whether or not Jesus was a god. Hence, he called for the First Council of Nicaea - and a second one after that. How very odd indeed.
@andywinger50553 жыл бұрын
Yes, and some 1700 years after the Bible was canonized Christians still argue with each other over the meaning of certain parts, mainly Revelation. I've suggested to some of them (via KZbin comments) that they can't convert heathens because they're too busy trying to convert each other.
@thedahkterizzin88313 жыл бұрын
This was more serious and factual than I expected. Thanks
@jenellejessop24543 жыл бұрын
The president should take his oath on stacks of ballots, and the constitution.
@mr.d.81212 жыл бұрын
"The religious mind is primed to accept lies..."...so very true
@gravitywaves27963 жыл бұрын
I've been meaning to pick up Andrew's book for a long while now. I think I'll finally order a copy tonight.
@joshuataff49113 жыл бұрын
It’s fantastic!
@Fiawordweaver2 жыл бұрын
I so appreciate this channel!
@seropgarabedian4863 жыл бұрын
You guys make me proud I’m an Atheist
@Johnmhatheist8 ай бұрын
I'm a proud atheist, too. I think that if the founding fathers had the scientific knowledge we have today, some of them would also be atheists.
@t.dmytryshyn26153 жыл бұрын
That was a really interesting comparison to Jehad. My fundamentalist Christian sister once admitted to me that she was jealous of the Muslim faith because their followers were willing to do anything for their God. My chin dropped to my feet.
@skillman463 жыл бұрын
The first Europeans to arrive in the Americas and stick around were the Spaniards. The first British and Dutch arrivals were companies who came here to turn a profit.The Virginia Company (Jamestown Colony) The Plymouth Company and the Dutch West Indies company.
@DavidPerez-de4ib3 жыл бұрын
And the French? What about the natives? The exit and? That seafaring race that inhabited the Baja peninsula population 58000 ? Red hairs giants ? A race full of Roman Greco Architects? Mormons? The British? Christopher Columbus never set foot on the North American mainland, he landed at Haiti where the native race had already been defeated and enslaved?
@ericjohnson66653 жыл бұрын
Interesting, potent argument. It does help to understand why the evangelicals fell for DJT.
@bladerunner33143 жыл бұрын
Because they have recognized their king of idiots?
@zebrafinch123 жыл бұрын
When you read "rage" by Bob woodward and the novel by Mary Trump you see this evenmore
@Larry-perkins3 жыл бұрын
I come from Ireland, when i was young it was like living under a catholic Taleban of Europe, the catholic church having so much power. Ive lived in denmark for 20 years. Religion plays no role here at all. Most people are atheists.And Danes are more moral as a nation than Irish people
@brianlaroche88563 жыл бұрын
We all american continent should review the last time the pope stopend in for the usa Ritual during eclipses and moon crests. Not that is demonic at all but that it is a sectarian power system. Opressive violent blood thisrsty, and more effective at acumulating wealth sucking like a leach or vimpire from others. This people are useless.
@CJ_Brim3 жыл бұрын
according to wikipedia Denmark is actually mostly Christian
@SatanasExMachina3 жыл бұрын
If you really want to know what it matters whether or not the government has an official religion, ask the spanish during the inquisition or the people of Salem Massachusetts during the puritan movement. Oh wait, you can't. The Christian authoritarians tortured them to death...
@dionettaeon3 жыл бұрын
And we don't even have to go that far back; Islam in the Middle East is a living example.
@SatanasExMachina3 жыл бұрын
@@dionettaeon Sad but true. Also the Christian movements in Africa beating homosexuals to death in the streets. And the cycle continues...
@aaronchandler23802 жыл бұрын
Never trust a politician that tells you how you should pray, and never trust a preacher that tells you how to vote.
@andywomack34142 жыл бұрын
Never trust anyone who tells you how to pray, or to even pray at all.
@OmniphonProductions3 жыл бұрын
I love Seidel's notation about the actual words in the Declaration of Independence...essentially saying, "We deny that the leader of any nation rules by Divine Right! It is by the will of the _people_ that any ruler...or representative...should wield political power". I only wish the _people_ (across the board) were better educated in matters of Science, History, Economics, Reason, and Rhetoric...and less susceptible to the Dunning Kruger Effect. I also love that Seth mentioned the author of the Pledge of Allegiance. Not only was he a Socialist; he was a Baptist minister who _intentionally_ omitted any God references, specifically so patriotic American citizenship could be open to _all_ people. Important Side Note: He wrote it for a Columbus Day event, celebrating a man who, in more recent years, has become recognized as...well...not so much the hero Americans used to believe. Follow Up: Imagine if Americans knew the salute that Francis Bellamy specifically recommended. (Of course, Hitler was only three years old at the time, but still...)
@vinnyrac3 жыл бұрын
That was a really good show. A lot of fantastic quotes. Thanks Guys.
@AndrewLSeidel13 жыл бұрын
Thank you.
@roygreen77053 жыл бұрын
Thanks guys needed that kind of topic.
@iampostal3 жыл бұрын
i cant believe ive been listening Seth for i think nearly 10 years ... i stumbled across his second podcast while still anonymous..i will shake his hand one day and give proper thanks..
@TheThinkingAtheist3 жыл бұрын
It would be my honor. - Seth
@iampostal3 жыл бұрын
@@TheThinkingAtheist thats a true story sir from mission british columbia canada...i think i found it just going through atheist podcasts on i tunes..i knew there were others like me i just didnt realize how many... thanks for the short response...makes the world seem a little smaller..and if youre still reading..i still have my sense of humor..i am good friends with my ex-very-evangelical-wife...i collect vinyl albums and sometimes just buy a box... the last box had Petra's debut album...1977...gave it to her for valentine's..
@anitaclarke37953 жыл бұрын
Thank both you fellows ... best company I've had for awhile ! Big Hugs and stay !
@lynnjacobs98853 жыл бұрын
A Christian-fundamentalist, Handmaid's-Tale-type future is unthinkable . . . . but not impossible.
@BlackJar723 жыл бұрын
...and North Korea conquering America is also technically possible -- imagine no military and everyone welcoming the invading army in -- but there is no way either will happen.
@areuarealman7269 Жыл бұрын
Self deletion when it happens I'm not playing in that world I barely tolerate rules now .
@ChildlessCatLady Жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing. I just checked out the book at the library. Looking forward to reading it.
@pollypockets5083 жыл бұрын
A lot of people came to the colonies to escape religious persecution, so...why would a state church be established?
@MrDANGitall3 жыл бұрын
Religion is easy.......THINKING is difficult.
@soapygreens15573 жыл бұрын
Great discussion! Just yesterday, I listened to a news report on NPR's Morning Edition about White evangelical influence in current politics, and its affects on followers. The news report is an 11-minute long audio and titled, "New Survey Shows 3 in 5 White Evangelicals Say Joe Biden wasn't Legimately Elected". Phew, the title alone irritates me 🙄.
@tracer7403 жыл бұрын
Superbly recognized and described how religion, particularly 'Christianity' in our nation, has intrusively become a dominating force into our once separate political structure. The consequences have abetted a drastic, if not severe, separatist 'Us vs. Them' syndrome within our once-healthier population. It has encroached upon many of our legal systems by misinterpretation of our Constitution.
@areuarealman7269 Жыл бұрын
Call me crazy but I will fight a holy war but if God @ government mix we are all screwed no books censorship extreme and if your not like them good as dead sharia law but for Christians...@ I shouldn't be promoting it .
@richardshaw68193 жыл бұрын
This is one of your best videos
@liquidalb3 жыл бұрын
I learned a lot from this and look forward to learning more. Thanks for sharing links to his channel and more.
@jiffypoo50293 жыл бұрын
They watched The Handmaid's Tale and thought that Gilead is a good idea.
@stephenzaborski86563 жыл бұрын
I was so pleased to run across this video option of U2 fellows speaking on the subject, on KZbin this morning before I have to go to work. U2 both articulate your points so well it's a very enjoyable listen. Thank you so much. Good health to you both and your families
@X1Y0Z03 жыл бұрын
Excellent, accurate evaluation of the Christian nationalism. unfortunately these 'Christian' beliefs create increased anxiety amongst the group of individuals with whom I associate. Be Well! Mad
@noheroespublishing19073 жыл бұрын
"Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature the heart of a heartless world, the spirit of a spiritless situation, it is the opium of the sufferer, of the people... The demand to give up it's illusions is the demand to give up those conditions that requires illusions... Criticism has plucked the flowers from the chain, not so that men and women may wear the chain without consolidation, but rather that they may break the chain and cull the living flower." - Karl Marx (The Contribution to the Critique of Hegal's Philosophy of Right)
@pop-upprayerwithpapaa82503 жыл бұрын
As a follower of Jesus, a preferred term over Christian, Christian Nationalism/Christanic Fundamentalism are not only dangerous but a threat to every foundation of democracy and a pluralistic society. I condemn those movements completely and without reserve.
@markdwolf31983 жыл бұрын
Guilty by association, get out of the cult
@pop-upprayerwithpapaa82503 жыл бұрын
@@markdwolf3198 So if you’re white, would you be guilty by association of white supremacy or white nationalism?
@markdwolf31983 жыл бұрын
@@pop-upprayerwithpapaa8250 that's such a dumb comparison, its a false equivalency to compare being white to believing in a god, ohh youtube people are funny
@pop-upprayerwithpapaa82503 жыл бұрын
@@markdwolf3198 I’m not the one who mentioned being white and faith, you did. I’m just condemning Christian Nationalism and Christanic Fundamentalism.
@CJ_Brim3 жыл бұрын
i’m glad you didn’t fall into the trap of hate and racism, so called “Christians” these days fall into that trap too easily
@stephenwolf66203 жыл бұрын
Seriously I feel my anxiety just fall away while listening to you two speak.
@angelicatheist7933 жыл бұрын
Andrew... Now you can hold up your book and in "Ken Ham" style say "but I have this book" 😂
@jimherald40693 жыл бұрын
I agree. All Atheists make the same claim, but their authority is science books.... which keep changing from one conclusion to another. An example of this is their explanations of origins; Big Bang back to steady-state, or eternal matter and energy.
@JosephKano3 жыл бұрын
@@jimherald4069 that's only seen as a negative by God botherers. Science though actually doesn't change. Science is the process. Hypothesis change as more information is discovered, they are refined until they reach a point of near certainty that is called a scientific theory. You really need to go back and do some basic science classes m8. You seem very lacking.
@angelicatheist7933 жыл бұрын
In case none of you got the joke... It's a reference to the Bill Nye/Ken Ham debate when Kens response/evidence was always his bible
@jimherald40693 жыл бұрын
@@angelicatheist793 I got your reference. It’s why I responded in kind. 🙂
@lucisferre63613 жыл бұрын
Apparently the description drop down doesn't fully include the proffered info, here's the rest... Andrew's channel is: AndrewLSeidel on KZbin, natch.
@Lance_Thorpe_Esq.3 жыл бұрын
Andrew is AWESOME. I disagree with with few of his points but he is the best!!!
@tinekedijk73853 жыл бұрын
As a Christian I really appreciate your discussions ! We need you guys. From OZ.