Intel Core i9-7900X, i7-7820X & i7-7800X Review, Hot, Hungry & Hella Fast!

[@Hardwareunboxed]

VIDEO INDEX 0:06 - Welcome 1:08 - Looks at Broadwell-E 3:09 - Skylake-X Specs 3:39 - 7900X vs. 6950X vs. 5960X 4:42 - SiSoftware Memory Bandwidth 5:30 - Cinebench R15 6:17 - 7-Zip File Manager 6:44 - Microsoft Excel 7:06 - PCMark 10 Essentials 7:44 - PCMark 10 Productivity 8:00 - PCMark 10 Digital Content Creation 8:30 - PCMark 10 Video Editing 8:52 - Corona 1.3 Benchmark 9:25 - Blender 10:02 - HandBrake 10:53 - Adobe Premiere Pro CC 11:31 - Battlefield 1 12:03 - Mafia III 12:31 - Hitman 12:48 - Ashes of the Singularity 13:05 - Power Consumption Excel 13:45 - Power Consumption Cinebench R15 14:09 - Overclocking 15:34 - Performance vs. Price Cinebench 16:25 - Performance vs. Price Blender 16:48 - Performance vs. Price HandBrake 17:09 - Performance vs. Price Corona 17:25 - Performance vs. Price 7-Zip 17:42 - Performance vs. Price PCMark 18:00 - Performance vs. Price Premiere 18:19 - Conclusion 23:11 - Outro

[@drtruce7408]

Conclusion - If you're a normal person, with normal needs, get the 1600.

[@KalishAlexander]

Your version of price to performance graph is not good for estimating. It would be much better if you would just do a linear graph like for all other tests where the length of the lines would be calculated with performance/price and than you'll have a graph that will be very accurate and easy to read.

[@beanshady]

Fantastic video as always but agree that the price/performance charts should be linear.

[@vVaIker]

You put a video index? Thats fucking cool. I hate having to search for what i want jumping on the video. I saw it all though, it was very interesting. Thanks for indexing!

[@TheJohdu]

excellent work, mister. will there be another gaming focused video for the 7800x where it shows against the 7700K and r7 1700? how does the 7800x perform compared to the 7700K in badly multithreaded games?

[@vencibushy]

Intel should start selling their CPU's bundled with delid tool.

[@SimonZellox]

They could just 3D-print them but it could be hard to model one when you spent 180 dollars on an overclockable dual core.

[@SilverforceX]

And they should NOT void the warranty when people have to delid to prevent it exploding due to shit TIM.

[@Spoderskrillex]

Ri5ux No, because it seems like a really bad decision.

[@vencibushy]

Ri5ux it is frustrating when you shell out one grand on a CPU which uses inferior TIM and limits your OC.

[@Spoderskrillex]

Ri5ux They get really hot, and yes, the price is horrendous; Threadripper CPUs will most likely be the better choice, because for the 1000$ you pay for the i9 10-core CPU, you will get a 16-core CPU by AMD, if the rumors are true. Anyways, you should wait until you have a choice, and then decide which one is better.

[@artyfly100]

90C with liquid cooling? That makes the FX9590 look like an ice cube...

[@muhwyndham]

arthur staal just wow.

[@MrRubenRusso]

all that i9 needs is to be drown in ocean water and itll be fine

[@Spoderskrillex]

Ruben Russo But that will make the icecaps melt :(

[@vVaIker]

He said it reached 100 Cº! It being liquid cooled, i can imagine it would make quite a cheap sauna.

[@THESMAG96]

If the 7900x 10 core chip runs this hot how will the 12 to 18 core chips run.

[@JonatDonat]

15:00 402Watts??!??!?!?? What the fuck!

[@SimonZellox]

Scribbles You could use the power of 420 watts to light up your joint

[@tylerviney93]

It says the CPU voltage is 1.82 volts... wtf?!

[@JonatDonat]

he did say its wrong. CPUZ probably was not configured for the processor yet. steve mentioned he set voltage at 1.2

[@07wrxtr1]

Laugh - So basically you better have one hell of a power supply if you want to run a nice video card with this thing, not to mention a good case / liquid cooling... I'll stick with my R7 1700

[@ArtisChronicles]

07wrxtr1 80+ titanium 1000 watt power supply?

[@ExalyThor]

if intel had priced the 6950x at 1000$, 6900k at 750$, 6850k at 500$, 6800k at 350$, 6700k at 250$ and the 6600k at 200$, they would have been very competitive but no... they like money more than anything else

[@DisamerdScroll]

The i9 seems like an expensive heater (Its ironic how the tables have changed in so little time)

[@vespaman101]

esperCELL key words... back then... what about today? 1800x... 1700... runs cool and matches and exceeds the 7800x often. is hundreds cheaper. stop fanboying. leave old FX alone. focus on today

[@MrRubenRusso]

hey dude you'r just being too biased about intel, i dont care if you have tons of money to spend on new intels, just notice that you'r basically the only one defending intel new cpu's in this comment section. That must mean something if you think about it. theres no need to hate on AMD using 6 years old fx 9000 series excuses

[@truegamer_007]

Seems like a long time ago AMD's top CPU was a 250 watt FX. Seems like like there's only so far you can push 14nm till thermals become an issue. Tick-tock is dead and so is Intel I suppose.

[@DisamerdScroll]

lucas rem I expected to be "hungrier" and hotter but no to this degree. 400 watts and 95+C on a good AIO is actually insane (not even the FX lineup wich was bad in infiency and heated like a volcano was this bad )

[@truegamer_007]

esperCELL I'm guessing you're one of the people who bought a 6950x. There's something called perf-cost ratio. AMD's is much higher than intel. Also, Ryzen is not the X series real competition, that's Threadripper.

[@Thesinistereyes1]

With this scary power consumption with just a 10 core... how the hell can intel put a decent 18 core part without making a nuclear warhead? And no having a 2.4ghz clock will not even compete with a threadripper that will run close to 4ghz

[@noway8662]

They can't. That's why they are now wildly trying to find out what sort of voltages they can actually use with those chips before it turns into a Molten Slag Inside(tm). That 10-core is already pushing the envelope pretty hard as it is.

[@Pekiii92]

7900x stock power consumption does look bad at first glance, but if you compare it to 1800x. 7900x gets 32% performance increase for 32% more power consumption (compared to 1800x on cinebench r15). Also if you want to get a bit closer to stock 7900x results (still not anywhere near), you will have to overclock, increasing 1800x power consumption way more than its performance gains. 7900x overclocked temps and power consumption seem ridiculous tho. I know that 1800x still is better value, but 7900x is meant for very niche market, and you will have to pay premium for the best.

[@roikhanulyahamidan9978]

+Dolphin_pizza 1800x is bad value, get the 1700 and OC, at 4Ghz it'll be faster than 1800x while still consume less power

[@TechShowdown]

Very comprehensive review, I knew the 7900x would be hot since Intel used a TIM instead of solder but that is just excessive with an H100i V2.

[@PeteTheL337]

Normally i dont care if a cpu takes a bit more power as long as it is delivering on the performance but this is just to much. Time to give Intel the AMD Nuclear award cause AMD clearly does not need it anymore :P. Thanks for the video @hardware unboxed

[@theholypopechodeii4367]

Peter Thomsen And nearly 100c with an AIO, Intel really needs to fix its CPUs.

[@lakshyasingh8931]

Peter Thomsen look at how cool 1700&1600 run!!! lol

[@RazerexXD]

they should delid the cpu and retry the test. I'd like to see that

[@sanjaykerpal6060]

this video makes me wanna buy an intel 7700 now that it cuts its price :D

[@mdd1963]

It's almost like the 10 core 7900 CPU is drawing as much as 2.5 ea 7700Ks under load at similar clocks....I thought for *SURE* it would somehow magically be lower! :)

[@evila9076]

Looks like we have a new king... . . . . of price to performance nuclear reactors

[@Journeyofourlife436]

Haha

[@thepro8447]

Aussa Villa lol made my day

[@vanguardas9927]

The Blender render for Threadripper was 13s. If it's really $1000 for the 16-core SKU, x299 is really confirmed dead.

[@TheMetalmachine467]

Vanguardas Vucava threadripper is basicly 2 1800x chips tied together so the only thing it brings is more cores with the same speed for gaming

[@Denasdc]

You still talking about gaming in +6 core cpus? Come on man......

[@lakshyasingh8931]

Vanguardas Vucava woot? woot? u r serious?!

[@m_sedziwoj]

yeah, this one test say: wait for Threadripper even if u buy Intel anyway, it may change price, and give motherboard manufactures more time to make better bios etc

[@vanguardas9927]

+LAKSHYA check AMD's demo of theadripper, same demo completed at around 13s... 18s for 7900X is incredibly slow for the price when compared to TR. 39.4% faster, more PCI-E lanes, and I'm pretty sure it will run a lot cooler than Intel's toothpaste CPUs. Soldered goodness + that massive IHS will dissipate heat very well.

[@DaveBoxBG]

My Ryzen 1700 runs at 4.1 Ghz and with the latest BIOS my cheap RAM runs at 3200 with its XMP profile with no further tweaking. All with no deliding, no heat and no noise.

[@joegaming4369]

jawbreaker what voltage do you need because 4.1 for a 1700 is damn good

[@AMDGuy88]

Wow i love this. Competition is real, but AMD prices are better for the performance. I cant seem to sell my body parts for Intel chips. Plus that intel heat when OC woo.

[@HeyImGaminOverHere]

So you could say... Intel is bringing the heat for this launch?

[@iPatate]

don't forget the waytooexpensive price of intel motherboards and the big mandatory cooler \o/

[@bobafat7154]

Bryan AMDGuy 7700k is still the best for gaming.prise is also good

[@foreignsgamingtech]

Would have been nice to talk about the platform price: X299+CPU cooler price. But the fact is that these CPUs are crazy fast, but at the cost of heat and power. Funny how these positions change between AMD and Intel! Great video!

[@Hardwareunboxed]

+foreign's gaming tech I did talk about the platform price ;)

[@foreignsgamingtech]

Hardware Unboxed must have slipped by. I should have trusted you, Steve! :D

[@FredsRandomFinds]

So Intel bitten on the arse by their use of shitty TIM once again?

[@yancgc5098]

At 20:58 you made an error, my friend. All R7 CPUs have 24 PCI-E Lanes, not 16.

[@issaciams]

it's 8 lanes for the chipset and 16 for the graphics.

[@Hardwareunboxed]

It really only has 16, 4 are from the chipset and 4 are to connect to the chipset.

[@Rocman76]

yep it's 16x for GPU, 4x for Nvme drive and 4x for chipset, so it's 20 usable. The Zeppelin die actually has 32 PCIe lanes but the AM4 pinout only lets it use the 24x. The die has a lot more lanes used for linking Infinity Fabric to other dies in Threadripper and Epyc packages. That's why Threadripper (2x Zeppelin dies) has 64 usable lanes and Epyc (4x Zeppelin dies) has 128 lanes.

[@_Thred_]

I was just about to say this.

[@roikhanulyahamidan9978]

the upcoming ryzen pro will surely have more lanes

[@blackknight50277621]

1800x is finally really beat the 6900k, FineWine seems also apply to AMD CPUs aswell

[@theholypopechodeii4367]

Artemis It was always like that. AMD has lower single core performance, but their SMT is much better than Intel's hyperthreading. This is why the 1800x has a higher multi-thread score even though its single thread performance is lower than the 6900k.

[@DreamyWoIf]

RayzeTheDragon If the clock speeds are the same, the 1800x single thread performance is actually identical to the 6900k because Ryzen's IPC is on the same level as Broadwell-E.

[@aminetroudi2514]

FineWine only exists in AMD's gpus.in cpus, AMD's processors age really bad!

[@imahustlah3609]

Amine Troudi Boy see yourself out. These new AMD Cpus are anything but bad.

[@Spoderskrillex]

Amine Troudi The bulldozer CPUs actually aged pretty good, they were shit in the beginning, but now that their cores are finally used by more applications, they perform pretty good compared to their competitor, the i5 2500k.

[@SilverforceX]

Expensive enthusiast CPU with cheap TIM is unforgivable.

[@beanshady]

Yak Agree that these temps are unacceptable. Liquid AIO coolers are practically ineffective at keeping the temp of these cpus manageable. This is a clear knee jerk reaction to AMD's new offerings, but we'll still need to see how well the Threadripper temps will be. I've used aio coolers in my last few personal builds and have no plans on going with custom cooling options to be honest.

[@daedra40]

Dean Calaway Very interesting. But intel marketing seems to indicate that they intend to sell this to the HEDT market that's populated by only prosumers - not professionals exclusively. I don't know if professionals should only actually consider Xeons and leave the i7/i9 series to people who certainly indeed to overclock - where thermals don't hinder.

[@SilverforceX]

Dean, you need to quit the apologist mode. All of your points are invalidated by the fact that Intel's current HEDT platform, X99, with Broadwell E, does not have this temperature being out of control. It also doesn't have cheap TIM. Your excuses do not fly unless you are insinuating somehow that Broadwell-E isn't meant to be a workhorse that last 5 to 10 years...

[@SilverforceX]

And if you want to drive the point that these HEDT CPUs are company workhorses, you ought to know these workstations aren't packing 240mm water coolers that reviewers love to use to showcase Intel's X299 in it's best light. If a super water cooler gets 80C on stock clocks, you can imagine how it would fare with an air cooler or a 120mm rad cooler.. between you and me, I don't think such high temps are good for longevity. It's plain disgusting that Intel has chosen to save a buck for a premium platform that's being sold at very high prices. Worse would be apologists who defend this action.

[@SilverforceX]

Here's the thing Dean, we don't have to be CEO of companies to see what's plain obvious. Bad CEOs get promoted and fired all the time in the business world. I wouldn't be surprise if Krzanich is on the chopping block soon. But you keep on defending Intel if it makes you happy.

[@techyescity]

Awesome review man, lovin'nit

[@WayStedYou]

402 watts? gat dam

[@Hardwareunboxed]

haha yeah I thought the power meter was playing up at first :D

[@mdd1963]

And just when we thought all the 1000/1200 watt PSUs were a waste of time......BOOM....X299 arrives!

[@zerogravitygamin3429]

Meanwhile amd is waiting for process optimisations for even lower power consumption with better clocks :o

[@randomdudewalkingdownthest8158]

more like get rekt...

[@PyromancerRift]

MARTY ! Place the core i9 in the engine ! We have to go !

[@SATTY5611]

Ryzen is a beast :)

[@paulbarty684]

It's a beast and the right move IFF gaming is your priority here but since Video editing and compositing from Adobe (leaders) derive their biggest benefit from high core speeds and NOT high core counts, then unfortunately Intel chips are the way to go. They have the older peeps who have the big bucks to spend over a barrel . We have to go with a 7800x or 7820x to get the best balance between 75% regular After effects and 25% 3D rendering ~ Maxxon C4D etc.. We also need support for 128 gb of ram for larger projects. I've watched all the thread ripper video and reviews and do you guys think that the 1920x can be overclocked and the co-responding Motherboards can be had cheaper than an intel system. Also How about when AMD improves the " clock speeeeds" will the motherboards be future proof for at least one upgrade or will I / we be in the same boat as procuring an Intel system ? Thanks in advance to any serious content creators that can share their viewpoints

[@MattsPaddock]

Was waiting for this, awesome video mate! 👍😊

[@Hardwareunboxed]

Thanks mate glad you liked ;)

[@HarleyN93]

Competition is so good Intel has clearly lost its arse

[@AdamSmith-gs2dv]

Harley Norris This was clearly a rushed release, having temps like that and needing a freaking 800-1000 watt PSU to power it is UNACCEPTABLE!

[@irwanmuhammad4919]

Why do I feel this is just a desperate move from Intel?

[@kurt477]

Irwan Muhammad it is XD

[@beanshady]

Irwan Muhammad definitely a knee jerk reaction and have no plans on buying a portable ac unit just to keep a ridiculously priced 7900X cool. it's impressive performance doesn't justify these temps and at this pricing.

[@catonpillow]

Because it is. They've got nothing. Though the Threadripper is not the major threat to Intel. EPYC is. And it is even more disruptive than Ryzen. Ryzen was created out of it. It was always about their server chip as it was aimed for the biggest market with the highest margins, Intel's fortress. Though it will take a couple of years for AMD to conquer it(as we know the server market is quite conservative), it is now inevitable.

[@irwanmuhammad4919]

I coulda sold my motorbike and my girlfriend and still won't afford it 😂

[@henryettoit897]

because it is

[@ExalyThor]

intel doesn't know one thing: they would have been selling more cpus if they would have been cheaper. Simple as that. (sorry for bad english)

[@JohnyJR-1]

Darius Guran true

[@batigio]

Well done Steve,great work.

[@twowensjr82]

But those $400 motherboards.....

[@johntotten4872]

And putting out fake info, The X299 boards start at $229 and go up to $500 ish.

[@HaveFunLosingBro]

yeah and good ryzen boards which offer everything you really need and OC support can be found for around $120 so.... Also Ryzen overclocks the same with B350 and X370 boards so this is a huge money saver. Edit: I just looked up on PCpartpicker and the cheapest x299 board on here is $280 Maybe they're not all listed but hey that's far from the starting point of $229 lol.

[@twowensjr82]

Dean simmons I think it's important to note the fact that you can put nearly piece together a power machine for nearly the same price as simply a x299 board alone!

[@HaveFunLosingBro]

r5 1600 $220 and a good $110 MSI B350 board and you're set. That's $330. The cheapest x299 board on PCpartpicker atm is $280 so yeah lol pretty insane

[@sever9268]

probably around 400 australian dollars, remember, steve is not american

[@ExalyThor]

intel didn't released the 12 14 16 and 18 core models because they dont exist. what steve benchmarked is bloomfield

[@ALph4cro]

Damn, imagine the heat and power consumption of that non existing 18 core cpu that they made up to ''Counter'' threadripper... Holy crap...

[@SimonZellox]

ALph4 Better use the cooling tower from your nearest nuclear power plant for these CPUs...

[@lionn_]

Darius Guran The 12-18 core models are going to be released in August

[@ALph4cro]

We all know that. But we also know that those probably weren't even planned until AMD announced Threadripper, hence the delay.

[@ExalyThor]

Lionel Alanguilan i said that the cpu that steve benchmarked are recycled

[@dimitrijemirkovic8971]

Intel i9 is like that hot, expensive girl that you can't touch.

[@kurt477]

I mean to be technical, all cpu are way to hot to touch

[@notapplicable7292]

Dimitrije Mirkovic only the rich people can afford to play with her... ;)

[@ArtisChronicles]

clancy walters even so, it's not the most economic way to play

[@joshcrys]

Clear and concise. This is the strait forward analysis I like about Hardware Unboxed.

[@Xaltar_]

Awesome job Steve! The Ryzen 5 1600X looks to be the absolute price/performance king, very happy with mine in my ASRock X370 Taichi!

[@teodordimov3938]

Awesomely thorough work! Great review!

[@glennco8263]

Intel is probably competing with the heater industry not AMD

[@JarrodsTech]

Thanks heaps for this mate, I'm most interested in the 7820X, price/performance isn't as crazy as the others either but going to wait it out and see what AMD has to offer first I reckon.

[@alexanderperisteris47]

Hey Steve are the things used to make intel processors more expensive or something because all they have to do is add threads but the prices shoot through the roof while amd adds threads for not as much money can you explain this to me please

[@JonatDonat]

its just marketing. intel confidently priced it higher because they know they can beat AMD. Thats why they do it. Nothing about manufacturing costs when they apply some pigeon faeces under their processors.

[@alexanderperisteris47]

Scribbles well intel needs to change something

[@samhewitt4940]

The way Ryzen does it because Ryzen is sort of made of CCX's which are essentially 4c modules interconnected by the infinity fabric. Basically means they can produce much smaller dies and just stitch them together with the infinity fabric to make for example the 16core 32 thread threadripper cpu while still retaining around 100% efficiency over IF. Because larger dies are much more expensive to manufacture due to defects AMD should be able to price any Ryzen cpu very competitively.

[@artkrub7]

AMD Infinity Fabric make them be able to make a high core count CPU for cheaper price. Because they just make tons of 4 cores CPU and tie them together while Intel has to make a whole 16 cores CPU in one shot and hope that all of them works.

[@rozenkreuzh]

Because it's far cheaper and easier to make 4-core CPU and then connect couple of 'em into one die, rather than making 10-18 cores altogether on same die. All thanks to their cheap yet excellent Infinity Fabric.

[@frantiucalexandru8902]

Great job Steve! Those scatter plots really put things into perspective. You should do it more often. Keep doing what you do best! Congrats on the 100k..looking to congratulate you for the 1 mil now. Cheers!

[@nataliegray7703]

As an Australian I do not need my computer to act as a secondary heater. Having one heater even in winter is already mostly useless.

[@notapplicable7292]

lexii miller I don't know about you but in Melb it was 5 degrees a couple of days ago... I could use this CPU as a car heater :)

[@jdlewis79uk]

100K!!!! Congrats, a well-deserved victory!!!

[@AMDGuy88]

Correct me if im wrong but 16 lanes on Ryzen or 24 because im sure Ryzen has 24 Pcie lanes

[@Thesinistereyes1]

24 lanes on ryzen and 16 on intel kaby lake

[@Denasdc]

Muahahaha

[@issaciams]

Bryan AMDGuy it's 16 lanes for the graphics and 8 for the chipset. Intel has way more right now until threadripper comes in with it's massive 64 lanes 😍

[@Hardwareunboxed]

It really only has 16, 4 are from the chipset and 4 are to connect to the chipset.

[@anujgupta3397]

can anyone tell me the extra use of 64 pcie lanes on threadripper? apart from 3-4 way SLI?? on what things we can use that many lanes?

[@DazzzTube]

Just noticed you have now got over 100,000 subs, congrats! You deserve more but I am sure over time that number will increase!

[@james2042]

That 7900x seems perfect for me, as it will replace my home heating system this winter. Seriously though, at 300 dollars, the 1700 (or 350 for the 1700x, as no one should buy the 1800x) the ryzen processors would look even better. Also look at that power efficency of the 1800x, where the 8 core ryzen part consumed the same power (practically identical) to the 6 core skylake x part. I am actually afraid to see threadripper as I don't want to know what that many ryzen cores with quad channel ram is capable of.

[@AdamSmith-gs2dv]

James Mastroianni It's the Pentium 4 all over again

[@techxbd]

very nice and honest Review. thanks Steve... keep it up!

[@Hardwareunboxed]

Will do! Thanks mate.

[@Kevroa]

Conclusion: They perform very good but get really hot and will potentially lower in price later on due to AMD. Basically, don't buy one.. wait until Threadripper for either price drops or a better performing/priced Threadripper CPU. Also, the motherboards are really expensive currently which means that if you go with the new CPUs, you could be missing out on performance by getting a better GPU with the money.

[@kurt477]

Kevroa that works! xd

[@pentiuman]

I think there may be 2 mistakes: At 5:09 he says, ""Anyway, running the memory at DDR4-3200 resulted in a massive bandwidth of 63 GB per second, for the Core-i9-7900X." This seems to be true because this CPU got 63.4 memory bandwidth throughput in the Sandra 2016 test. 1 - But at 5:17 he states, "The 6-core 7900X also achieved roughly 60 GB of throughput as well." I think he meant to say the "6-core 7800X", because it's the SIX core Intel CPU rated at 59.6 GB per second (about 60 GB), and the 7900X has 10 cores and, again, is rated at 63.4 GB per second. 2 - Then at 5:30 he says, "AMD's Ryzen 7 series, impressed in the Cinebench R15 multi-threaded test, and as you can see, the 8 core CPU PUTS DOWN the 6950X with relative ease." The only AMD 7 series in the graph, which is an 8 core CPU, is the Ryzen 7-1800X and it has a Cinebench multi-thread score of 1671, which is LOWER than the Intel Core i7-6950X, as it has a HIGHER multi-thread Cinebench score of 1775 (and the graph indicates higher is better). Or am I confused by the sometimes unintuitive CPU model numbers? (Come on Intel and AMD - choose a simple, logical, naming scheme that easily identifies and rates each subsequent model.)

[@YuRaLL]

doesn't ryzen have 20 PCI-E lanes? (and 4 for the Chipset).

[@Hardwareunboxed]

It really only has 16, 4 are from the chipset and 4 are to connect to the chipset.

[@issaciams]

YuRaLL it depends whether you are referring to b320/b350/370x because the 370x supports 8 lanes from chipset and 16 from the cpu (for the graphics).

[@issaciams]

Hardware Unboxed thank you dude I been trying to clarify this to the other posters.

[@pistolpoida]

It is good to some competition in the CPU market. And great video Steve

[@MarcoLoves360gamer]

Intel should dig a hole and hide in there, when you think they cant go any lower xD

[@JonatDonat]

they are actually an all time high from the power consumption.

[@josiahjones5293]

MarcoLoves360gamer 400 watts 100c temps looks great

[@MarcoLoves360gamer]

I would love to see Intel ceo damage control when the riper comes out ahahha. well at least they can build a power plant with those CPUs.

[@josiahjones5293]

MarcoLoves360gamer they should make steam turbine driven generators to bolt in your pc to recover some of those 400 watts

[@pedrohenriquemorais4979]

Yeah they should have done the same they did with 4th gem instead of I5 7640X and I7 7740X they should launched a I7 7790k with same clock of 7740K but better temp's.

[@PigeonDesign]

I hit 4.8ghz at 1.25v with all the stuff Der8auer suggested changing in BIOS and it was stable. Max temps with a H115i were 98 but I only used an AVX offset of 3. Average was around 78C. Used AIDA64. I am a freelance 3D modeler (Industrial Design to be precise) so this makes sense for me to own but the average gamer would never need this. I'm in and out of Rhino, Solidworks, 3DS Max, Keyshot etc all day long. Having 10 cores at close to 5Ghz is VERY exciting for me, and a money saver (I think - we'll have to see this month's electricity bill but time is still $$$). Just ordered all the parts for my custom loop to try and cool it down a bit! I'm also excited for Threadripper but I'm also a realist and we've been burned by AMD before... When it comes to professional use my trust isn't entirely there with AMD (yet). If Threadripper is what we think then at least I know I can sell this silicon lottery winner for a good penny on eBay.

[@dawnrevestel4396]

Perhaps they should rename this series Lava Lake?

[@dkedavid]

Thank you for the Price vs. Performance graphs - most helpful.

[@albertgooner6366]

Ryzen 1700 win :)

[@aminetroudi2514]

7700k win too :).

[@ethansequeira2431]

Amine Troudi for the price.. no lol

[@MrRubenRusso]

in gaming, yeah, but i would go for ryzen 5 1600 anyday

[@tylerviney93]

Bought my Ryzen 1700 a few months ago and have never been happier with my decision. I am by no means a fanboy of AMD but I'm really hoping threadripper crushes the high core count Intel chips, Intel has been monopolizing the market for too long.

[@aminetroudi2514]

Ah sorry, in that case i7 7700 wins :) (i thought the 7700k had a 318$ price tag like the 6700k in launch then i found out its 350$, my apologies lol).

[@alexboomboomclap]

It makes me so happy to see that there are still reviewers that stay true to their core and are honest with their viewerbase *ehemLinusehem* Great review and great puns!!

[@TEDdeMedici]

Why the hell didn't they learn from Kabylake and not put some decent thermal paste or better yet solder under the heat spreader this time around? Though seeing the price of the top end CPUs perhaps intel thought everyone would use phase change cooling...

[@CaptainKenway]

Broadwell-E was soldered. That's why they were only regular housefires instead of mini nuclear reactors.

[@ViolentMLG]

In intels defense, there is a benefit to putting the paste they use VS a solder, while temps are worse, its a very stable thermal paste, soldered CPU's have had issues, not to mention that they just manufacturer things differently.

[@TEDdeMedici]

Violent If it must be thermal paste - and i realise the very valid longevity argument - why doesn't intel go with a half decent thermal paste for dissipating heat? If people can delid the chip and lose 20 degrees whilst pushing higher clocks and voltage there must be better options for intel.

[@ArtisChronicles]

T.E.D. de Medici they've done this every generation just about. remember the 4770k? yeah bad TIM there, the 4790k was the fix for that. there was a cpu in ivy bridge that had some bad TIM too, not that I remember the one from ivy. the move to TIM on ivy is kind of what had some people holding onto their sandy bridge chips. Better temps because of solder.

[@AdamSmith-gs2dv]

Violent No excuse, I have 10 year old AMD CPUs (An AMD Athlon X2 3800+ and 5600+) and a 5 year old one (Phenom II X4 940) which are still working and ALL of them are soldered!

[@AwesomePossum510]

Great review, I've seen way to many people skip over the power consumption and temperatures and act like overclocking was just fine. It's only fine if you take the side panel off, have your ac on and then have a big fan blowing straight into the case.

[@stairfall12345678900]

HEY STEVE! Could you test if you can get a 7900X's performance just by overclocking the 6950X? All signs are pointing that way, but I want to know for sure!!!

[@kurt477]

Darrothan DO IT STEVE

[@rcradiator]

Darrothan doubt it. They restructured L2 and L3 cache and increased ipc. Plus Broadwell-e overclocks like Ryzen, with only the oddballs hitting above 4.4ghz

[@stairfall12345678900]

rcradiator Huh, didn't know all that. Thanks for the info! I still think he should investigate the true percentage gains we'll be seeing with the new generation of CPUs. Something tells me that they won't be very much at all. :/

[@manurightz]

13:30 Power consumption test does this processor consume more than 140 at a time or prolonged usage time, can you please explain about TDP, I am worried about power

[@alpha_one_x]

correction Steve. the Ryzen 7 CPUs have 24 PCI-E lanes.not 16

[@Hardwareunboxed]

It really only has 16, 4 are from the chipset and 4 are to connect to the chipset.

[@vegajf51]

Hardware Unboxed it's actually 20 usable pci-e 3.0 24 total lanes 20 lanes usable pci-e 3.0 4 pci-e 3.0 lanes to chipset 8 pci-e 2.0 lanes off chipset

[@Hardwareunboxed]

I'm only counting PCIe 3.0 lanes.

[@vegajf51]

Hardware Unboxed understand still it's 20 that one can use out of the 24. 24 - 4 for chipset is 20. The 8x pci-e 2.0 lanes are basically like intel DMI

[@alpha_one_x]

come on Steve XD

[@JustLoL3]

Thanks for the review Steve and nice advice man for these new cpus 😁

[@arcticfox5118]

well.....intel can corner the market on gaming PCs with built in BBQ grills at least, This seems like pentium all over again X2

[@MW2lWildlACR]

Congratulations on 100k Subs!

[@1280-user]

mmmm interesting benchmarks. now i want 1800x even more 😎

[@semin8497]

100k subs,congrants! ;)

[@JamesSmith-sw3nk]

The i9-7900X is fast..Is it "AMD 1700 + gtx 1080 for the same price fast?" No.

[@dcerty1898]

Well congratz on 100k!

[@tarcal87]

And imagine that it's from a huge ass corporation 10x the size of AMD. Can't they do any better? Oh I wish NO ONE would buy anything from them. All these years of stalling everyone.

[@troyus111]

Nice video. As a FYI, the high temps and poor overclocking seem to be because the heat spreaders are not soldered anymore. Just thermal paste. Paste can't handle the big CPUs heat demands.

[@leonphung7812]

im a simple man, i see Hardware Unboxed's video, i press like

[@drtruce7408]

^^ I've seen this exact type of comment so many timeshhhhhhhhhhh

[@ggnmsn]

Your a simple man, you see a popular comment, you copy it.

[@Jeckaa84]

Buddhist Cow. Trying to get top comment is a sport these days dont you know ?

[@daedra40]

Buddhist Cow you're a man who made a grammatical mistake :P

[@ggnmsn]

how will I ever show me face on KZbin again?

[@JasonBlasi]

I just want to say thank you for the price/performance charts. I think this type of info is what consumers need to know. Good job

[@adi6293]

Congrats on 100k subs! Nice review :-) if someone says that Steve is bias towards Intel I will shoot them, I don't remember Linus mentioning anything about high temperatures and high power draw! As for the CPU what a joke, for $620 you can get MSI X370 Gaming Pro Carbon, Ryzen 7 1700X and DEEPCOOL Gamer Storm CAPTAIN 240EX, so I don't know what they thinking with those prices :D

[@Hardwareunboxed]

I appreciate the support, please don't shoot anyone though ;)

[@xk1390]

Loved the "many degrees" joke :))

[@SimonZellox]

Can you please not test the upcoming models with more cores? I really hate global warming...

[@Seramics]

Just to add a bit of something here. The discrepancy between i5 7500 and i5 7600K in gaming is most curious. Spec wise, 7500 frequency is 3.4-3.8 GHz while 7600K is 3.8-4.2 GHz. A difference of approximately 10.5%. Both being the same quad core with 4 threads. But in the 4 games tested. Their differences in terms of % 7600K is faster in average FPS than 7500 is as follows: Battlefield 1: 19.5% Mafia III: 14.8% Hitman DX11: 26.9%! Ashes of Singularity: 12.5%. Why is there such differences when they are all but identical architectural wise except clock speed?

[@ArtisChronicles]

Seramics this is something I never understood and I've seen it before. something is amiss. maybe not with the testers, but more along the lines of what's locked with the 7500 sku vs the 7600k skus.

[@Phynix72]

*I wonder if intel is pricing this much high, where do they consume all that...?? On investigating their investments, every chip is priced 30-40% higher than what it should be. Even on taking every term of r&d, testing, manufacturing, production, sales, marketing, retail & many other things.. it's gone utterly ridiculous from 2010.*

[@bowlofspiders]

Congrats on 100k subs!

Threadripper will give I Intel a really bad time when launched. R7 1800X stands really good against I9 series.

[@drockonbrady]

Fantastic piece of bench-marking and detailed opinion expression.

[@josiahjones5293]

400 watts....just wow...no thanks and that 7900 is going to be crushed when threadrippers 6 extra cores and 12 threads smoke it for less money lol

[@lakergang2593]

Josiah Jones isn't thread ripper 16 core 32 thread? so 8 more cores

[@DeadAimKillah]

he was comparing 7900 (10c/20t) to the Threadripper flagship (16c/32t). So it is 6 more core and 12 more threads.

[@luisitomd7942]

In the price performance table you didn´t include all platform price, its mean that any x299 procesor will cost almost 50% + that any ryzen or kabylake processor + platform..

[@wildbeerus818]

i9 sounds tasty but threadripper is spicy

[@sflorin123]

congratz on 100k subs !!

[@yancgc5098]

Core i7 1800X 17:36 WTF XD

[@aidan8218]

Yanteus Maximus I

[@Eminentend]

I had to stop video midway to appreciate the use of a consistent number of sig figs in the data lmao Noice vid

[@FuulMaster]

1600x is the best Sweet spot ever

[@m0neez]

@20:40 7820X is just 5% more than 1800x not 30%, so the price is not justifiable at all. @21:00 Ryzen 7 have a total of 24 lanes not 16. cheers

[@Hardwareunboxed]

It really only has 16, 4 are from the chipset and 4 are to connect to the chipset.

[@m0neez]

hi Steve that what i meant by "total of 24" any way now that i have your attention, how about a vid comparing 1400 vs 7700 and 1500X vs 7700K. a core for core Australia is awesome peace

[@vinesphreels]

the best cpu for rendering video editing is 1700x which cheap and great performance.

[@kurt477]

Jerson Abranilla I would say the 1700 non x. they over clock the same

[@tylerviney93]

^Exactly.

[@hyggeligt007]

Congrats on 100k subs boiii :)

[@choatus]

Please overclock the 7800x and compare it with 7700k and ryzen for gaming, Im interested to see how it fares when they are all overclocked, keep up the good work mate :)

[@choatus]

I have looked at literally every single review/video/preview and I can't see one that shows comparisons for gaming with these 3 overclocked (specifically the 7800x), I find it hard to believe the ryzen would beat this chip for gaming in most titles, and yes I want to see 1080p or even 720p comparisons so the graphics card is taken out of the equation. Also keep in mind that this is early days for the bios and I think you will see a fairly big difference in the days to come regarding the performance of these new chips.

[@AdamSmith-gs2dv]

GL OCing to anything meaningful with that crappy paste

[@JohnSmith-km3pe]

Great job as always Steve 😀

[@philscomputerlab]

First?

[@Hardwareunboxed]

You have brought shame upon Phils Computer Lab!

[@SamualWilliams]

"Best heater you can buy ladies and gentlemen...i9 7900X!!!!" *crowd applauds*👏👏

[@procerator]

I thought Ryzen CPUs have 24 PCIe lanes, no?

[@sever9268]

they do, steve made a mistake

[@Hardwareunboxed]

It really only has 16, 4 are from the chipset and 4 are to connect to the chipset.

[@jeffreyhramika8603]

They do miss information.

[@FeTiProductions]

Hardware Unboxed do you think this means that threadripper will be less than the 64 lanes for graphics?

[@Hardwareunboxed]

+FeTi Productions - ThreadRipper has 60 lanes, so less than 64 but nothing major. +w0mbat - No Ryzen does not have 24 native PCIe 3.0 lanes, that there is misinformation.

[@elcajondavid1]

I just ripped the radiator and water pump out of my car, and emptied the beer out of my little fridge for the case, and just tapped into my neighbors electricity. I am ready for the I9!

[@XBnPC]

AMD is going to make buying Any Intel CPU look stupid... from mobile to the data center... Intel is FKD

[@MrAlefthau]

Hi, At the end of the video you talk about 16 PCIe-Lanes for Ryzen and 28 Lanes for Skylake 78xxX! Eventually I miss something, but as far as I know its: 24 Lanes for Ryzen 28 Lanes for the "smaller" Skylake-X Greetingskind regrads Alef

[@CrackedDylMil]

when AMD makes a power hungry CPU: "oh you won't notice the difference on your power bill" when Intel does it: "SUCKSCKSKCKSKC" lol I'm kidding. Intel is overpriced as fuck

[@stephandolby]

I wonder what Ryzen 7's performance would've been had they added another two memory channels. it's also quite interesting to see Intel change their cache architecture - previously, it was an inclusive setup, with everything in L2 mirrored in L3, but now the L2 has been increased by four times per core, with a large reduction in L3 in order to suit its now exclusive nature (presumably, more cores mean inclusive is less effective and more power hungry).

[@pasqo94]

Wtf 400 watts alot more than an fx lool

[@AdamSmith-gs2dv]

PakyGam3Ftw I haven't seen such an inefficient Processor like this since the Pentium 4 days. Unacceptable

[@MrHarney]

Thank you for the vid Steve .......personally had it with Intel drip feeding gimping C~nts....my two new Ryzen 1700 pc's are great

[@RepsUp100]

AMD >>> Intel

[@Imkaranvalvi]

Hardware Unboxed LIKE ...Well done Steve great video work , good video