Intel Defies Expectations...

[@masterofthefirstraceoftheu8608]

I'm glad that Intel is heavily working on improving their arc graphics drivers. Nvidia has some good stuff hidden away because their competitors aren't taking their market share.

[@AllahDoesNotExist]

Intel should make a better gamestream implementation and I'd buy it.

[@MyAnimeTL]

@@scsherman207 hey against rx 6600 or rtx 3060 it is quite competitive First gen is always really difficult to get it right Look at rtx 20 series or rdn1

[@MyAnimeTL]

@@scsherman207 should have clarified it i ment raytracing of the rtx 20 series

[@DOGbackwardz]

If they had stuff hidden away because competitors aren't taking market share it would be due to nvidiots never caring about the long term ramifications of their purchases. 3/4 of the last generations Nvidia released cards that EOL'd long before the equivalent AMD cards.

[@_aullik]

Nvidea has turned scalper with their newest series of cards and i honestly will not buy a GPU for €500 above realistic value. So I'm still sitting on my 1080 that i got for ~560€ in early 2017. Sure there is inflation and the current 4080 is worth around €700-€800 but not 1000 and most definitely not 1500

[@zachsad]

As someone who bought an Arc A750, I've had 0 major issues and couldn't be happier with 1080p performance and the value it gives for $250. It sucks to see Nvidia totally losing touch with the budget market. Really hoping the next generation of cards can garner more market share so they can continue innovating

[@curie1420]

people in my country doesnt even know that intel has a gpu line, nvidia still has the marketing up against amd and intel but still i hope intel and amd just take the market share because nvidia isnt doing anything

[@lunamiya1689]

A750 is not budget, 200-250 used to be mainstream price till Nvidia being Nvidia, pumping mainstream card to 300-350 dollars.

[@zachsad]

@@lunamiya1689 Budget is a relative term. The Arc 700 cards are Intel's flagships in this case. They have plans to release a 500 series Alchemist card and improve upon that and their 300 series (A380) in the next generation 👍 that's what I'm hoping for. trust me friend, I sacrificed in other areas of my PC build to even get the A750 so I feel the frustration too

[@MonicaHolly143]

​@@lunamiya1689 $250 gpu that can play 1440p easily, i will say that's a budget since 3070 cost double

[@flufficornss]

@@lunamiya1689 350 isnt even mainstream mainstream is more like 500, that would make 250 budget

[@btbarr16]

Really glad that Intel hasn't given up. Their cards have shown enough promise for newer games and now later games that they need to do a 2nd Gen. 1st gen was always going to be rough. I don't play any DX9 games. So a 2nd gen Intel card is a viable option for me if I decide to build a PC when the next generation of cards release.

[@juanpaulofricke1506]

now that cs 2 is out there is no more relevant dx9 games

[@btbarr16]

@@juanpaulofricke1506 no doubt some gaming purist will soon argue with you in the replies, but I'm inclined to agree.

[@aboveaveragebayleaf9216]

Just because there aren't as many dx9 esports games doesn't mean that no one plays them.

[@btbarr16]

@@juanpaulofricke1506 called it.

[@vipvip-tf9rw]

​@@aboveaveragebayleaf9216 older games aren't gpu hungry, if it runs more than 60 fps it's good enough

[@smakfu1375]

I was a driver dev in the early days of WDDM (during the transition from legacy, so called XDDM). While the DDK profiling tools and maturity of the stack have improved, I still think Intel’s progress with ARC drivers is really impressive given it was a rev 1 of a new architecture family. They have an impressive team working on those drivers. Modern display drivers are seriously non-trivial, as you have the UMD, ICD’s, miniport - and that’s just the sets of driver code itself, not all the configuration and value-add control panel stuff. To me, the significant (and effective) ongoing investment on the software side was the strongest indicator that they weren’t walking away from ARC.

[@DragonOfTheMortalKombat]

You just have to look at AMD drivers to know good intel's have been. AMD took what, a decade to make half-decent, somewhat usable drivers while intel did that in less than 2 years. Even on CPU side of things Intel tends to be a little less buggy than AMD, Though there isn't huge benefit of one over the other. Intel clearly has a good software team working on the GPU drivers IMO.

[@PrashantMishra-kh1xt]

How to become like you?

[@smakfu1375]

@@PrashantMishra-kh1xt First, get a computer you can experiment on. Second, study older, simpler systems such as early MOS6502 powered home machines and mini computers like the PDP-11 (PCjs machines provided an excellent online PDP-11 simulator / emulator that’s great for understanding concepts around low-level machine execution and programming). Third, start educating yourself about modern CPU and GPU architectures, as they’re all effectively (massively) scaled-up extrapolations of earlier systems and concepts. The GPU side can be tricky because, while it shares aspects of design elements with CPUs, the massively parallel “SM” programming model is quite different (programming-wise, the earliest “inner-loop” GPU pattern would be display-list processors, like the Amiga’s Copper - but even that’s very different in that it’s a far simpler single threaded pattern with a tiny 3-instruction ISA). For that world you’ll be looking at stuff from places like Thinking Machines, Inmos, etc.. The cool thing is many of the programming manuals and documentation are out there, along with emulators. To start understanding modern programming concepts on the GPU side, Nvidia (for better or for worse) has outstanding documentation and training resources. Fourth, get solidly familiar with AMD64 and ARM64 assembler; you won’t be writing code (outside of very rare instances) in assembler, but any lower-level programming exercise generally requires debugging skills where you can interpret disassembly in the debugger (it’s not, today, a perfect 1:1 for how a CPU directly executes code, due to ISA decoupling, speculative execution, etc., but it’s as close as you’ll practically get, outside of Intel or AMD). That and it will help you understand the implications of higher-level language optimizations (e.g. smaller code is not always more efficiently executed code). Fifth, spend some time learning about aspects of the EE and design-side of semiconductors and systems; this further helps reenforce concepts around low-level machine execution and state. You wouldn’t believe the number of times I’ve hit a hardware problem that looked like a subtle software mistake. Even more often, understanding what definitely isn’t a hardware problem allowed me to quickly place the blame where it belonged (usually my own code). Sixth, get a solid handle on modern operating system mechanics - again, this is something where understanding the history of older systems is particularly useful. All modern systems have a long history dating back to earlier implementations, using the same basic concepts (demand page virtual memory, scheduling patterns for preemption and reentrancy, threading, interrupt handling, virtualization, etc.). But, again, everything is scaled up, often resulting in far finer grained structures. Whether Linux, NT (Windows), embedded RTOS like QNX, getting the basics down helps as you encounter new things. Finally, you have to love these infernal machines. Old computers, new computers, old software, new software, games, machine learning, operating systems, etc., they all have something to teach us about the progression of these most interesting of human inventions. It’s all part of a continuum, and if you want to remain current, you have to find the “whole” interesting (even something as “simple” as a RaspberryPi is full of history that reaches back 35 years, and is full of weird and interesting secrets and peculiarities of its SOC). So that’s my answer, for what it’s worth.

[@t0uchme343]

If a battlemage can overcome 3070 at a competitive price (not too high of a bar tbh) I'm gonna get one of those as my upgrade. Imagine, a red cpu and a blue gpu.

[@theonlysquirrelybird]

An overclocked a770 can score over 15k GPU score in 3dMark Timespy..That's already above 3070 performance. Battlemage is rumored to be roughly double that performance at the same tdp.

[@dennisjungbauer4467]

B580 might be your bet then, also looking forward. In case it gets released anyways, not like the A580.. :D I mean, the A770 is already not far off the RTX 3070. 3070 performance, with better RT, more VRAM and for about $250? Almost sounds too good to be true.^^

[@Pvinini]

i dont wanna touch u what?!

[@NicoD3000]

Now you only need a green cpu and we're there

[@PumpyGT]

Fire and Ice

[@frankcooke1692]

I'm really glad I took a gamble on the arc. Even the guy at the computer shop was like "umm... are you sure?". A lot of people have mentioned stock shortages - my local place had them on clearance, so like, $350 dollarydoos for the 16gb, which is about 275 freedom bucks. And wow am I pleased with myself. I was betting on them following through with drivers and not canning the whole division, and I won. It will be interesting to see if they can keep such a competitive pirce-point for subsequent generations though. I wouldn't be surprised if they'd been selling them below-cost just so they could gather data and test the waters. If the Battlemage comes out cheaper than AMD's equivalent, but outperforms Nvidia - we might see an end to all the price-gouging.

[@ciaranfitzgerald-km3de]

Someone watches dankpods.

[@impuls60]

How in the world do you think they will beat nVidia? They have the best and largest engineering department of all three 3 manufacturers.

[@frankcooke1692]

@@impuls60 Not by a long shot. Nvidia has a larger market cap ATM - but that doesn't really speak to the 'physical size' of either company. Intel employs about 6 times as many people and is still a few times larger in terms of revenue. The 770 already outperforms the 3060 Ti and even 3070, in many applications. I wouldn't for a moment doubt the capabilities of engineers at Intel. They've been in the semi-conductor business longer than anyone. They also have the economy of scale advantage.

[@krisreddish3066]

@@impuls60 It does not take as much as you think, I have seen countless tech giants fall. NVidia got lucky at one point because engineers from STI had stolen T&L code from Rendition, Inc. Up to that point STI was just competitive but with a huge a market share, but with the T&L code after NVidia purchased them became the basis for the Geforce 256. Sorta a fluke if you will and all it would take is another to make them fall from the top.

[@dogtrollololl]

you dont actually call it gamble when you invite someone well known in the industry to develop the same product. with battlemage thy are surely rolling the dice, with crypto falling.

[@lqm_lastquartermoon]

Daily driving Arc A770 16GB for almost exactly 6 months, can confirm many hiccups are gone & more should be fixed in the coming days. Arc control has became much better, and now I can finally rely on that thing to actually get and install driver updates correctly. Also now we can (slightly) overclock the card in Arc control! Games or other apps sometimes showing graphical gliches and/or crashing almost solved. It has been a journey until this point, but really I think it has come to the point where it is generally recommendable and reliable for many use cases. Just make sure to get the latest software to get the proper hardware accelerations working and it should be fine, I believe.

[@802Garage]

Thanks for being an early adopter for the greater good!

[@Druac]

+1 on the thanks…I still have at least a couple years before I’m in the market again for a gpu…but looking forward to actually considering an Intel or AMD card next time around.

[@ninjoun]

Not unlikely my RDNA1 5700XT. drivers have been outright unbearable for the initial 3 months after release and have only *started* getting good after about half a year. Now, 3 years later, I am very happy with the GPU.

[@IItsIgor]

Early adopters like you are kings.

[@Ravill]

What about old games or cracked/pirated games? How is the performance?

[@DaSyEnTisT]

TPU just did the preview thing. In their 7950x3d review they simulated a 7800x3d by disabling the CCD without v-cache and they were pretty spot on.

[@wayward03]

So did hardware unboxed. They listed it as simulated results and were fairly vague with it.

[@teapouter]

@@wayward03 Vague? They were very explicit in stating in every video that they did this that they turned off half the cores on the 7950X3D to simulate a 7800X3D. There was nothing vague about it. This is in addition to providing earlier testing of how the 7950X3D performs with one CCD disabled in their review of the product.

[@wayward03]

@Tea Pouter vague is probably a bad term. I mean they weren't claiming the simulated results were genuine 7800 results nor were they claiming it would be a 100% accurate test. It was a very educated guess.

[@Jack-he8jv]

kinda, 7950x3d with disabled ccd is 5-10% faster than 7800x3d for some reason.

[@wayward03]

@@Jack-he8jv I didn't see that result. I do think it has slightly higher clocks due to silicon lottery.

[@Jacob-hl6sn]

Intel and amd are actually offering value for money, unlike nvidia.

[@J-Ndre]

I will certainly get one. I own an Arc A770 and a battlemage or celestial would surely outperform my 3080 Ti most likely, if not in raw power, it will by VRAM.

[@grigorkyokuto7546]

Intel and NVIDIA

[@EnderBoy9217]

Both Nvidia and AMD have done and are doing shady things, as many corporations do. Intel is purposely taking less profit to build up a brand, as they are already backed by their CPU division.

[@Jacob-hl6sn]

@@grigorkyokuto7546 nope

[@prototype8137]

Lol you people are so easily impressed. Guy, they are the new guys on the market, of course they are going to enter the market with a bang. Common sense. Intel has been shady for years.. .😅

[@darke_hunter0238]

BRING BACK SCRAPYARD WARS

[@MihkelKiil]

covid....

[@matthewkinney5474]

@@MihkelKiil not even that. It's just they've done it 8 times. It will be a bit repetitive if they did it again. Plus views were down on the series.

[@Bunny501]

I'd love a scrapyard wars reboot. Maybe a VR Edition?

[@bradhaines3142]

no one actually wants it. every idea has been done before, he said the series is all the way dead

[@m3redgt]

no it's dead and it should stay that way seasons 1-5 were awesome the rest were milking the cow

[@Xeonzs]

I bought the 770 Limited Edition mostly just as a collector's piece, but ended up using it in my media PC, I really love the sleek design and for the price it did well.

[@Xeonzs]

@nosoyallowed828 because I already have a 4090 in my PC. Why do we frame PC components that served us for several years? Cause we taught it was a cool piece of tech. People buy collectors pieces of everything and it's not just a GPU, it's the first series of mass produced dedicated GPUs by Intel, it's a something historical in the technology market.

[@crazygamingyt7245]

@@Xeonzs bruh joined 16 years ago ur like 30 bro shouldn’t be playing games fr

[@Xeonzs]

@@crazygamingyt7245 mate, people who are 60 still play games, I'm not allowed to game after I put the kid to sleep?

[@crazygamingyt7245]

@@Xeonzs yes u too old bro and nobody 60 plays games bruh maybe Tetris or some shi

[@eyeofterra]

​@@crazygamingyt7245 what kind of agreement is this? Are you 12yo? Literally a lot of people have nostalgia for NES (check when it came out). Video games is an alright hobby, much better than smoking or consuming anything harmful.

[@outbackshaqYT]

I love these two friends who have trouble with reading and focusing, doing a news podcast and fucking eachother over, just by trying to absorb info in a way that makes it easier for them. Extremely relatable

[@notinterested8452]

They're doing what 😮to each other! Zesty stuff!

[@falrexion7709]

I would switch to Intel just for the name. Making a battlemage PC lends itself to such a cool build concept

[@Anonymous-es4jo]

I just want a good GPU for a sensible price. Sorry I don't care about frivolous stuff like naming schemes. But I can Intel can become competitive in a few years if they keep doing what they're doing.

[@eZaFVulcan]

@@Anonymous-es4jo 😬😬😬😐😐😐😓😓😓😒😒😒

[@Harami69666]

That's okay. But rebar is something amd has to support properly otherwise arc only will give the performance with intel cpus and that will lower market share.

[@Justifier]

​@@Harami69666 🤔 What? That'd be a long the same lines as saying "XMP is something that Intel has to support" wouldn't it? Yes, AMD initially took the first step with the tech, but at this point it had multiple flag bearers. Just as AMD rigs run with EXPO to compete with XMP now, if it becomes necessary then Intel will just spin it off on their own to continue down the road

[@77wolfblade]

just love the title "battlemage".

[@albertkropp]

Nvidia used the consumer market to build themselves as a company, but today their primary source of revenue is the commercial market (AI acceleration, self-driving cars, cloud computing), and they have no need of the consumer segment. All of the current consumer products are just trickle-down from the commercial space, and they're overpriced because Nvidia considers their adaptation for consumers a favor, not a requirement.

[@DaddySizeIt]

That applies to Intel as well. They're after the big money as well. Both will continue to offer products in the consumer space. It would be money left on the table otherwise. Only AMD can't really compete in software (AI/CUDA etc). AMD's future is with being an also-ran in the commercial space, and in APUs for consoles and PCs. Not bashing AMD, they have their segments. They're just less profitable than what Nvidia and Intel are aggressively targeting.

[@albertkropp]

@@DaddySizeIt Incorrect. Have you seen what AMD EPYC CPU's have brought to the table in terms of cost/performance? They are literally blowing Intel out of the water so hard that Intel is beginning to outsource silicon for their new CPU's from TSMC in order to come up to speed in core-counts and IPC. Additionally, I wasn't suggesting that Nvidia plans to quit the consumer market, just that they are using it as an additional source of revenue now, rather than their primary, which accounts for the loss of touch with the market i.e. excessive rising costs of their products per generation, and no entry-level products being offered anymore. If you want some more context for the Intel/AMD side of this, here's a simple overview: kzbin.info/www/bejne/l57Fknawe7mspZo

[@DaddySizeIt]

@@albertkropp No one was talking about the CPU market in this thread. The thread you started. That read like some serious AMD dickriding.

[@holthuizenoemoet591]

Intels GPUs have a lot of VRAM, which would make them perfect of deep-learning. Intel Already has a pytorch build, I hope they keep it up to date!

[@ultraderek]

When I heard the rumor that they were shutting down the discrete graphics division. I thought that it was a bad idea. I mean it’s totally worth it and feasible for them to get into that market.

[@MiracleCOD]

They're in that phase where people discredit them for earlier driver issues and they kinda have to lose money to make money with Battlemage too. If they theoretically made a GPU that matches a 4080 for $400 less, people still might not buy an Intel GPU because of the staining. A lot of people root for them, but how many people are actually buying GPUs? Yeah, they say we'll just wait for Battlemage, but Intel needs to swing the market a little more now and not later. I'll honestly switch from AMD to Intel if they can outmatch my 7900xtx. I'll do it the day of too. They could also add more of an incentive for having Intel+Intel combos, who knows.

[@anita.b]

They spent 15B on that lil fun venture for CS:GO players in Asia. You do the math...

[@courier3567]

@@MiracleCOD People don't care about image in the past they care about the image of a company right now. if they released a card with 4080 tier performance for $400 they would be sold out in hours. Intel did say they wanted to go for an enthusiast tier card their next gen so they may release something with 4070ti ish performance for a really good price.

[@Acidicheartburn]

@@courier3567 If I could get 4070ti performance for a good price as an upgrade of my 1070ti I would say shutup and take my money.

[@Tzalmavet]

@@courier3567 Exactly my thoughts. People were wary of AMD after Bulldozer but Ryzen is incredibly successful and popular. Intel has massive potential to be competitive with Nvidia if price to performance remains reasonable which from what i've seen many people are happy with their first gen Intel cards.

[@PandLantis]

Excited to see what Intel can do with the Battlemage cards!

[@Steellmor]

Lets hope nothing happens to Taiwan an TSMC

[@itsprod.472]

@@Steellmor that too! I don’t see any one talking about either especially now that Intel is also ordering node process from TSMC

[@JorgetePanete]

​@@Steellmor Let's*

[@Steellmor]

@@JorgetePanete Okay,sorry. Let's hope Taiwan doesn't get invaded and devastated, with thousands innocent victims, and disruption of whole worlds economy, which could result into you not being able to care about someone's spelling on internet because of hell of a world we all gonna be in.

[@JorgetePanete]

@@Steellmor we all are*

[@Aspen910]

Hopefully we are able to manufacture our own silicone for the GPUs soon enough. I was surprised when CEO announced layoffs that he said he isn’t going to give up on the GPU project and will allocate more funding to it

[@kurtwinter4422]

The A770 is a great card at its price. It does RT above its price class, scales very well to higher resolutions, and its 16gb means it will surpass contemporary NV cards in memory intensive games

[@user-wq9mw2xz3j]

8gb yes. but the 16gb, a bit expensive, it's more than a 6750xt

[@rustler08]

@@user-wq9mw2xz3j LMAO, what? You can get it for $300-350. That's the same or less than a 6750XT, and $300 is cheaper than a 6750XT

[@user-wq9mw2xz3j]

@@rustler08 nevermind, not 6750xt right now but 6700xt. And the AMD card is better, unless you exclusively play newest AAA titles with RT on 1440p/4k.

[@mythicfour]

Dude, I bought an A750 and A770 just to test; and I'm beyond impressed. If they keep this up, Intel is about to cause a gargantuan shakeup in the GPU world that's desperately needed. I have the highest hopes and best wishes for the teams working on these projects.

[@telepathickoala587]

Linus’s fidget battle with the spork and finally settling on the sharpie has me cracking up 😂

[@Real_MisterSir]

I think this much has been evident for a while now. Entering the GPU market is one of the biggest feats in pc hardware, thus it is to be expected that gains would not be immediate - Intel clearly has a long-term plan in mind and a +10 year approach. The one thing that could have killed the entire thing before it is allowed to take off, would have been if the first batch of ARC products could not compete at all, were poorly market positioned, and drivers could not be improved within a reasonable time frame. But Intel did manage to achieve all these things, they have been selling decent numbers as proof of concept that this whole endeavor is feasible. They were not outcompeted by Nvidia and AMD on every single level, and even tho the launch was shoddy, that much was to be expected. Driver improvement has been significant, and within their price segment they are a real alternative already. When they can become a real alternative within half a year only, that means it's full steam ahead. This was their pilot project - and some of what was expected to go wrong did go wrong, but some of it also went right, which is more than they probably hoped for.

[@Jack-he8jv]

issue is that intel isnt competing with nvidia but with amd only, nvidia marketshare will not drop as long as they continue being reliable or atleast perceived as such.

[@kasmidjan]

After Jaja left they take off...

[@mediacity3863]

@@Jack-he8jv Intel needs to improve other segments like ML,Productivity and other computing work load to attract Nvidia market share. Hope they can win in those segments in the near future.

[@faves2064]

With the UK price of and amount of ram in the 4070 I've called it a day on my buying Nvidia GPUs. Quite frankly they're taking the mick now and I'll be upgrading from my 2060 to either the next Radeon or to Battlemage when those are released.

[@JPinMotion]

I do hope someone figures out rebar for those old towers. My Sabertooth Z77 "supports" it with a Bios Mod.

[@dennisjungbauer4467]

Interesting, that's Ivy Bridge. The question is that if that even makes a difference, and a beneficial one. Maybe those older CPUs/systems just can't make good use of ReBar.

[@tmbardsen88]

Downgraded my 4070Ti to A770 today. I am impressed. Also love the design of the Limited Edition

[@uberDoward]

Luke's right - the Athlon X4/X3/X2 got reviewed a LOT like that!

[@dnakatomiuk]

Battlemage really needs to make sure it supports DX9 games from the start, and really keep at it with those driver updates.

[@dennisjungbauer4467]

I doubt that there will be much change in regards to DX9 because that's not the hardware side but the drivers and Intel said they want to focus on modern APIs like DX12 and Vulkan. I don't think they'll add more focus on DX9, they already did some major improvements, not because of Battlemage. I also have multiple older DX9 games on my PC and some of my favorites are DX9. Now, I don't actively play them, but I want the ability to do so, without problems. I'd assume most of them should perform well enough, even if not compared to other GPUs, but Arc might just not be for people like us. I think that's ok, we have the choice. :)

[@PrashantMishra-kh1xt]

​​@@dennisjungbauer4467Modern GPUs can brute force DX9 games. Btw, they did improve DX9 support. Look at new CS:GO benchmarks.

[@GuyMahoney]

ADHD vs Dyslexia, the great war

[@EvilDesktop]

Nice, fork. What the **** I'm doing with this fork. Oh nice fork... Seriously what the **** I'm doing with the fork.... I'm going to try that pen instead.

[@BlakeRogersNS]

Wondering how the driver support will be for Linux

[@microcolonel]

Really quite good, like that for the others... ANV and Crocus in Mesa seem to be doing just fine. Obviously, it's had less love than RADV and RadeonSI, but that can change over time.

[@oes2546]

Hoping Battlemage kicks Nvidia into the abyss. I don’t want them to bring Nvidia pricing down, I want them to take over (temporarily)

[@ovemalmstrom7428]

Would love for you guys to do a revisit of the A750 and A770. A lot has happened since your Arc marathon.

[@shinjisan2015]

That review of an artificially restricted higher skew CPU was actually really good. The problem was people didn't take it as it was supposed to be; it was a great demonstration as to why people should wait for the cheaper skew CPU.

[@ManuelRusch]

I'd like the ídle not be 40W and the AV1 encoding quality to be a bit higher, but other than that I am happy with my A750. Had less problems with it so far than with my GTX 970 SLI setup. I am not a gamer but Skyrim runs so I am happy.

[@angulinhiduje6093]

i wanted to buy an arc card but the biggest distributors in germany had no clue if or when the cards would be sold here. for some reason intel decided to make an exclusive deal with a relatively small online shop for all gpus in germany. but even this shop didnt know when they would be able to ship the cards 1 week after the official release. i canceled my order during that time and haven't seen the card in stores once since. Whats even weirder, the only price i find of the cards is around 450€. this would be almost 500 dollars. At this price there is just too strong competition for arc to be a reasonable purchase. Havent seen such a release flop for hardware in a looong time.

[@richardclark7679]

I got the Acer Predator Bifrost edition. Looks great! But the best news is that I was able to confirm that it does indeed run OpenGL at a decent speed.

[@Captaincyr]

0:24 I do the exact same thing lmao, I never thought there was others that did that too

[@TheSilverInfinity]

I also do that XD! helps the focus and to not get lost in big bunches of text on the page. (and it drives my dad batty when I do it in front of him lol)

[@andrewnguyen4622]

Calling out moore’s law is dead. Savage 😂

[@ColonelJurtenclone]

Software has always been one of intels strengths, so I'm hopeful for intel to bring some competition to the gpu space.

[@depth386]

8:00 the problem with taking a CPU and disabling a few cores and maybe reducing clocks is that you cannot disable cache. Hardware Unboxed has done an excellent investigation with Intel 10th gen where going down to 8, 6, or even 4 cores on an i9-10900K would actually not hurt performance that much because the cache size was the real star of the show. It’s not every game, some games more than others, but it’s basically the whole thing behind the AMD “3D” chips and the big cache on RTX 40 series compared to 30 series. So if you tried to simulate an i3-13100 by disabling cores and limiting clocks on a 13600K you would probably end up with much better performance because of that cache size. The sillicon may also have a superior Voltage Frequency Curve but that’s a relaticely small potato.

[@narwhal4304]

I'm excited for Battlemage, and given the prices that the A750 and A770 are at, I wouldn't be surprised if Battlemage hits the market when budget RX 7000 and RTX 4000 GPUs also hit the market.

[@lukeshaddick4105]

i am using an a770 and it has been perfect for linux gaming

[@turtledovechen176]

I build PC for people quite regularly And it is really hard to explain why there is a 300 USD price difference between 3070ti and 4070, and there are nothing in between

[@theonlysquirrelybird]

You can enable Rebar on older boards that have UEFI bioses with ReBarUEFI BIOS mods.

[@ghosthunter0950]

Unfortunately I don't think it's gonna do much until AMD and Intel go beyond gaming in terms of usability. AMD hasn't had driver issues any more than Nvidia for a while now but their sales are still much lower. if I had to guess it's because Nvidia is the comfort zone for many people and the fact that AMD doensn't really compete with them on creative software in terms of GPU's and CUDA doesn't really have an equivalent alternative yet. AMD has been working with blender though and in the newly released blender 3.5 there are optimizations for their GPU's I think using the AI accelerators but don't quote me on that. look it up.

[@Haskellerz]

Have you forgotten $1000+ 7900xtx cards overheating and failing. And AMD doesn't want to refund or replace them. 7900xtx also performs worse than RTX 3080 in VR. Their driver isn't ready yet

[@SettlingAbyss96]

@@Haskellerz they replaced my card for free. In fact they shipped me a new card and said that I could send back my faulty one once the new one got there so that my PC wouldn't be down. Mine didn't fail but it was overheating in games

[@thebcwonder4850]

They missed the 3.5 deadline

[@lightward9487]

Have you forgotten $1000+ 7900xtx cards overheating and failing. And AMD doesn't want to refund or replace them. 7900xtx also performs worse than RTX 3080 in VR. Their driver isn't ready yet

[@xero2715]

@Jordan Rodrigues Even with the cuDNN weakness there is the ROCM wrapper, but that's only for RDNA 2 at the moment. Once it's working for RDNA3 the CUDA strong point will reduce by quite a bit. I have strongly considered getting a 7900 XTX, but I work with already compiled software that relies on CUDA to function, and I don't know if I'm willing to gamble the $1700 AUD when compared to a 4070 Ti/4080, even if the 7900 XTX is a better deal.

[@tensor9470]

I'm so happy that I'm not the only one who highlights paragraphs as I read them

[@jozefrockatansky1588]

I'm glad Intel have not given up. I recently built a new PC and when it came to the gpu, I decided to take a risk and go for the A770 16gb, so far had no issues with it in any games I play, very pleased with the card myself. Nice to see more competition.

[@mr.hanfblatt9152]

what kinda games are you playing? the biggest question if someone considers an arc card is stability I guess.

[@jozefrockatansky1588]

@@mr.hanfblatt9152 A mix of old and new, been having a trip down nostalgia lane with various old half life mods, other games such as Alien Isolation, Battlefield 1, Cyberpunk, Elden Ring, Resi Evil Remake 1, 2, 3, 4 etc BeamNG, Wreckfest, Assetto Corsa, SD Gundam G Generation, Dragonball FighterZ, various indie/pixel games etc, Max Payne 2 for old times sake lots more but yeah, still so far, no issues other than a minor shader issue in Cyberpunk once where certain reflective surfaces had a pink tint but restarting the game fixed that, not happened since.

[@mr.hanfblatt9152]

@@jozefrockatansky1588 that sounds nice. currently still running my RX580 but want to get away from the 8GB at some point

[@KaitenKenbu]

Oh my glob, now i can actually play tarkov on my a750. You guys mentioning resizable BAR helped me so much. I got an 80fps boost to the 144fps cap in the cap on woods on low settings. i can now actually play with high settings on woods with very good fps well above 60fps @1080p. every time o booted up intel drivers yelled at me to enable resizable BAR but i had no clue what is was until you mentioned it was pretty much required to run certain games well in ARC cards. didn't know it woulld allow the CPU to better access the GPU's memory, i honestly thought it was to do with display sizing or something. thanks boys.

[@VeloxusGaming]

1:54 It's Moore's Law is Dead. They're talking about Moore's Law is Dead.

[@Pingu01443]

love how linus is just randomly fidgeting with a fork throughout the video

[@MagickPistacho]

About the need for Resizable Bar: exactly. I needed (well, still need, but good luck with that I guess) a new GPU for both content creation and gaming, but was stuck with my 4670K for the time being. The Arc 770 was perfect for me (16GB RAM, well suited for Blender, AV1, enough raw power for 1440p without going crazy, etc.), I was a click away from buying it several times, until I remembered that without RB these cards are totally a no-go. It's a pity really, Intel cards cover a great spot for many, but a lot of people won't be able to benefit from it unless they buy an (expensive) new system to go with it. Welp, I'll have to wait until I upgrade mine.

[@jierenzheng7670]

I got ReBar enabled via modified BIOS to use my A770 with my i5-4690k (now an i7-5775C).

[@MagickPistacho]

@@jierenzheng7670 To be honest I totally forgot that was even an option, but true! Even though I'm not that comfortable tinkering that way with the system I use both for work and leisure, in case things go awry at the bare minimum that would cost me a lot of time and energy I wouldn't want to be forced to use...

[@jierenzheng7670]

@@MagickPistacho it is actually not that difficult if you are on Windows, ideally your mainboard has a BIOS flashback function or even dual bios.

[@MagickPistacho]

@@jierenzheng7670 I'll take a look into it, thanks

[@bean420man]

It is good that Intel is pressing on. They have a good thing going here and even if it did have its issues at first but Intel has been working on them and has made good progress. I think people need to realize that this is their first longer foray into dedicated GPUs (I know they had one much earlier attempt that was quickly abandoned) and they are a different beast than CPUs.

[@TechGuyBeau]

hell yeah. looks like my extensive testing of Arc GPUs on my channel will continue into next gen Arc.

[@markfrantz4612]

I wanna see what Intel's upcoming fabs will be able to do.

[@graphicarc]

You won't believe how many people lately have bought A770 instead of 3070 :) And there are some people that only bought it for its RGB

[@tylerpower8149]

Linus picking up the fork at 2:33 is so funny. He puts it down at one point before going back to it, then shortly after you can see the moment he clicks and wonders why the hell he’s holding a fork and throws it away. He even pushes it that little bit further away because he knows he’ll pick it up again if he doesn’t.

[@dennisjungbauer4467]

I relate to Linus, haha. Also sometimes doing things subconsciously, noticing and then thinking "what am I doing?". 😅

[@Mobile_Dom]

so i just picked up an A770 for a work computer, the media encoders are killer, and iys the only card with 16GB of VRAM at a reasonable price. im sure it will get better at games eventually, but even now it plays KOTOR just fine for me

[@komakaze1]

It wouldn't make sense for Intel to release one generation of ARC and then scrap it. That would suggest bad management if a company assumed it would carve out a niche in the GPU market so quickly. For me personally AI performance will influence my decision for my next GPU purchase. Hoping Intel and AMD will become strong competitors to NVIDIA in this space..

[@cuddlieone2139]

Daughter and I put an A750 in her computer about a month ago, very happy even without resizable bar, stable performance with her use case. Wasn't a bad decision with the driver improvements of late

[@JSTheAnonymousOne]

I'm planning to have an Intel GPU when I upgrade next if I think it's worth it. I have an RX 6600XT right now, so I should be good for quite a while (unless I want to use RT at a higher fps)

[@datapeluche]

Is a really beautiful piece of hardware with a lot of potential to work better.I’m very sad to have to return it because the support for deep learning is experimental and is a pain to get it working. I substitute with a 3060 12gb, the nvidia card just look like a toy next to the arc a770 but (right now) it does the job the arc doesn’t do

[@holthuizenoemoet591]

Intel really needs to keep pushing on this front, i would buy them in a heartbeat

[@datapeluche]

@@holthuizenoemoet591 Me too, and I think they will, it's a beefy GPU with 16gb. I simply needed a card for the task and couldn't afford to maintain both.

[@Rucarlos]

Next year is about to be huge for graphics cards

[@slash196]

I'm glad I'm not the only one who highlights text while I read

[@sirprise9548]

The beginning is just Linus' ADHD meeting Luke's dyslexia.. amazing❤

[@kaseyboles30]

My guess for a future tech is ai texture upscaling. Making lower res textures look higher res.

[@fluidthought42]

That's sorta already a feature with Nvidia remix... but I can see different, less RT focused implementations of it.

[@ToreOnYouTube]

Possible the future of games is not stored textures, but instructions to generate a certain look using AI.

[@ron_sr1218]

Correct me if I’m wrong but, DLSS?

[@kaseyboles30]

@@ron_sr1218 similar, however dlss works on a rendered image, this would work on the textures before the image is rendered

[@ron_sr1218]

@@kaseyboles30 ah I see what you mean. Thanks man

[@alexlw216]

I remember that time where they changed clock speeds and core counts. I thought that was a great, out-of-the-box idea. Loved that content and wish you did it again just to see how accurate it would continue to be.

[@ItsAkile]

Arc is shaping up nicely on the software side, whether they go low-end/iGPU only in the future it'll have value

[@novabuster23]

7:40 which video was it?

[@Caburetor]

I have a question about the Case T-Shirt: Don't U get in trouble with Renault, due to copyright stuff?

[@ssobghost984]

I've recently bought the 7900xt specifically the sapphire basic one. I've had to return one and get it replaced and it's looking like the second one is going to also have to be replaced. The first one had issues with power and caused frequent stuttering when it goes over 300 watts it drops the frequency down to 0% causing the stutter. Very annoying. The new one just crashes when you start playing any game with the only fix being reinstalling the driver then it'll work fine until you restart the PC then it'll do it again. Is anyone else having issues like this? Am I just this unlucky?

[@michealmorris3766]

Pre-launch gpu reviews, followed by a post launch assessment! I'd watch that. Between the potential for snark and seeing just how close to accurate performance you could get, it would be good viewing.

[@eclipsegst9419]

i remember seeing 8th and 9th gen Intel reviews that did the core disabling/ clock setting thing. With an asterisk that hey the cache is still different but it should be close.

[@silentverdict]

I'm rooting for Intel just because their codenames are so freaking good. I mean, BATTLEMAGE? Come on.

[@huntersullivan1326]

people were maybe thinking that intel was done with arc with intel having layoffs and not actual knowing what departments got hit

[@Oblivion9873]

oh thank god I'm not the only one who does that highlighting thing

[@eukelarTV]

love the names for these cards so much better then a few letters and numbers

[@doesitgame]

I've said for a while that a slot-only Battlemage card that is like 2060S performance and retails for $169 is how Intel chops Nvidia off at the knees.

[@TheOneNOnlyAxi]

Wow, Moore's Law Is Dead was wrong? Man, what a shocker!

[@MegaManNeo]

I'm with Linus here, the price hike that happened since the RTX3000 series which is only partially cursed due to inflation and chip shortages must come to an end. The A770 looks promising but other than me wanting it to be even less power demanding it's not yet where I want it to be, especially since I use both Linux and Windows and for both systems ARC seems to behave differently.

[@Another_Online_Alias]

I’m glad their still at it. It’s great to have a third player in the ring

[@KarlisKrumins]

Intel just showed their hand by dropping bugfix driver support for Skylake. While keeping it for newer GPUs with almost the same architecture (Kaby lake and up). Basically Intel is saying "don't expect to put your Intel GPU in the secondary system when you upgrade, it won't have drivers anyway". Nvidia supports Kepler from 2012 to 2024. Intel supports Skylake from 2016 to 2023.

[@Z-add]

Anyone knows what microphones they are using?

[@elementaldraco]

I'm glad that I'm not using any applications that would behave in this way, where another persons pointer actions are bouncing around the screen on the passage of text your trying to read. Let alone read out aloud. Luke is doing so well that you would not realise the unseen additional effort that goes into trying to read out allowed from a passage of text.

[@GCAT01Living]

I had a college course where we did group work during class using Google docs. We would fuck with each other so much as five of us tried to type on the same document at the same time. Also happy to hear the news from Intel. If they get this right, they could change the industry dynamic. Still waiting for Linux support but excited to see another competitor in the market.

[@JasonB808]

Video games are a luxury. I got a pretty decent gaming PC. However, if I wasn’t so worried about graphics and performance so much. Gaming full screen with steam deck isn’t as bad as I thought it would be. It’s like PS4 level graphics on newer titles and better on older titles. The deck’s fan is audible but no where as loud as PS4 Pro I had sold last year. People want the best performance, they have to pay the price. NVIDIA 4000 series GPUs have better ray tracing capabilities and that is likely a driver in the cost. If an old GeForce is doing the job, maybe more performance isn’t necessary yet. It’s up to the person to figure out what is priority.

[@RifterDask]

You can do amazing things with a modest GPU like the 2060 by pairing it with the steam deck via in home streaming. Even Ray tracing is easily doable a lot of the time thanks to the lower res.

[@sask350z]

cant wait to see what the new card is like i have a arc a770LE and love it

[@MsHojat]

Surely there's a way to prevent that? Probably not on the Google Docs side, but the easiest way would just be exporting it to an offline document in MS Office or Libre Office. In theory you could also mess with the javascript, but that would likely be difficult. I'm sure someone (or more than one) at LTT would be knowledgeable in doing some JS/Greasemonkey modifications though. Probably no point if you can just export the doc offline though. Maybe they want to keep the doc online for some reason?

[@MrAmG17]

you can disable linus cursor title..?

[@8bitbender495]

where is the Fairphone test you said you would do in the video you take apart the Fairphone

[@pldcanfly]

I hope they focus on the right market-segment, and help the big two to start bringing some budget - mid-tier cards. Last gen AMD is ok, but current gen both big players just seem to release their biggest thing and bleed the market dry before releasing anything with a reasonable price-to-performance. The niche is there, and i hope Intel can fill it in the log run. That way it doesn't have to be the next 4090 ultra extreme ti xtx whatever. Just a modest affordable GPU that can play most things at lower resolutions.

[@minekey29348]

I'm glad they are sticking with it. I think v2 can iron out the issues we heard about. If they can make sure older games all run just fine and do better-than-good-enough at modern titles, then why even bother with mid-range Nvidia? The only reason I didn't go Arc 770 and went 3060ti was for reliable dx9 gaming

[@FreakyDudeEx]

orders are orders but the problem would be which tier of gpu performance are those orders for... because battlemage and celestials are already designed for laptop use as well and these could be for the laptop market and their low end cards just like alchemist... and there was no rumor that these won't come out... its just there are rumors that the next line up after this is really a mystery since intel is going to decide whether to shut down the division based on the sales of these 3 generation line up.... and these 3 gens have not designed any competing top tier gpus which will really hit their sales number unless they are marketing geniuses like nvidia... that is what people are speculating that intel will shut down their gpu segment since the lead developer was also fired for the poor alchemist launch and sales problems... it seems you did not hear the rumor mill properly... or you heard it from an unreliable source.....

[@FreakyDudeEx]

this is why i don't go to you guys for rumor stuff since you guys have no clue how to find reliable leaker's information....

[@samay5902]

​@@FreakyDudeEx agreed

[@NicCrimson]

So should I buy an arc GPU now, even if they shut down the division, would my card still be reliable for other tasks?

[@LinusBerglund]

I bought an a380. It is great. Had I been able to I would have bought an A310. I want to run 2 4k screens without stuttering when playing 1080p video. These low end graphics cards are perfect. 3 displayports cost $100 more from the other vendors.

[@TacticalBeard]

Good I was worried they wouldn’t continue there GPU development

[@yumri4]

The end part about CPUs sounds a lot like the binning process but done by the consumer to make a lower end chip out of a higher end chip. No idea why you would want your higher end chip to be a lower end chip but you can make it happen. So performance metrics taken the the same chip as the chip would be will be spot on unless the chip designer makes signiant changes to the lower end that makes them lots worse. For example cutting off SSE on Intel chips. In some it will be a speed up in others that the complier is set that it is there it will just crash.

[@ven7165]

If AMD or Intel made better budget GPUs for lower prices I'd be down to buy one.

[@soragranda]

@Steve Sherman That is a lie... XT and XTX aren't much cheaper than what Nvidia offer and for example even APU rdna2 are stupidly expensive currently and they use the 6nm node...

[@syntaxandRender]

Nvidia is basically a monopoly in vfx/cg space every renderer I've been using only support nvidia not to mention ai/ml

[@mmmuck]

It sucks

[@whatsmining9917]

I'm so confused what gpu to get I have around £650 I've seen 3090 & 4070 going for this on eBay what would you suggest

[@Hugh_I]

the 4070 seems very energy efficient and (for this market) kinda acceptable price/perf, but 12GB for that price feels a bit weak in 2023. The 3090 sucks more juice but should be on avg faster than a 4070 and has a huge memory advantage, it should last longer. Only downside is no DLSS3 with frame gen, which I personally don't care for at all. You can also get a 6950XT in that price range. Also better raster perf than a 4070 and you also get solid 16GB VRAM.

[@kevinsmirnov264]

this is exactly the podcast I need two ppl charing the same computer minitor and explain us what is so funny about it XD

[@rraatz6636]

Honestly with the way that the average person upgrades their pc, going intel cpu and gpu and staying 1 gen behind current will probably be the best price for performance in the long run especially if you upgrade every 2 or 3 generations

[@thelonewolfie34]

Looking to buy a cheaper to mid range PC and think ill wait for the BM to come out since the other mid range GPUs released havent been very future proofed