Intel Has a Problem Part 2: Post Mortem: Revived. But the Aftermath?

[@notificationguys5128]

Intel : "we finally ((fixed)) our CPU problem let's hope nothing happened before the 15th gen release" Wandell : "nobody expects the Spanish inquisition"

[@Foxtrot_Foxtrot_Lima]

A good number of "gray beards" at intel in Hillsboro Oregon have jumped ship. There seems to be a bit of panic around here.

[@wendelltron]

the retirement exit package was nice. those folks were exactly the people needed for this kind of problem solving tho

[@Kurukx]

Man splain it to me Wendell :P .78 volts... captian she cant handle this

Wendell, with regards to your comment regarding board vendors not sharing some of the responsibility here. I believe I'd seen that the VID spec on Intel EDS was originally 1.52V+200mV, which means before this 1.55V limitation, Intel believed the processor was safe to be running within 1.72V.

[@Level1Techs]

the ambiguity in the spec document could mean the socket has the capability for a future CPU. or it could be these. only Intel knows what it meant in that aspect

[@ABaumstumpf]

"Intel believed the processor was safe to be running within 1.72V." No - the absolute maximum specification had been 1.7V - and that is not a "safe for 24/7 operation" voltage but the absolute maximum above which all bets are off. that is the voltage where it is specified that if at any point you reach it the CPU might as well already explode.

[@Level70-x4d]

Intel released ANOTHER microcode patch 12B

[@bambisparkles8134]

WE LOVE WENDELL

[@bigmack70]

5:30 that shot across the bow at framechasers 😂😂😂

[@13damnitdavid]

I'm taking a shot every time he says data, and I'm not doing well.

[@renevandenbosch9967]

Spelling is still immaculate

[@catsspat]

Icarus Corporation.

[@shabadabadoo4326]

“before you’re pooped….”. GN may have Gamer Jesus. L1 has wholesome gamer dad, and it makes me enjoy Wendells takes even more.

[@Riyozsu]

All this could have been avoided if Pat Gelsinger or the person responsible with communication between Company and public would have done his job perfectly or just not been given the job at all. Communicating through reddit posts and misleading people is nothing short of 'shady'.

[@italianbasegard]

“Perfectly” isn’t even needed. Just more than “awfully” is all anyone wants/needs. Ideally more but we’ll take anything other than silence

[@italianbasegard]

0:25 I’ve got some hard data for ya

[@michaelgleason4791]

"no one likes hard data more than I do." The harder the better amiright? Okay maybe I shouldn't post KZbin comments when I first wake up

[@mikeb6188]

This makes so much sense. I've killed 3 chips now. I've got a custom loop with 3 480mm rads

[@jeremyjedynak]

Video thumbnail shows a self described computer janitor wearing surgical scrubs, fitting for the horror show of ongoing CPU problems.

[@kabalder]

"boost itself to ruination" ... because it was designed to do so. That's what the sales-pitch benchmarks require. The gaming rigs are going to avoid these peaks, sometimes because of just abysmal cooling, as you say. But also because of tdp-limits set at a sane level. But it's not an accident that you could make these Intel-processors draw as much as 900W effect on pl2 with some unhealthy tweaking. The processors allowed that, no problem, and this was part of the sales-pitch. So don't treat this as an unhappy accident when the max temperature on the surface, or the diff on the gpu and cpu reached a certain level over an OEM-set limit. The benchmark targets that these systems were sold on were dependent on the pl2 boosts going incredibly high.

[@matiasm.3124]

That's are lots of icons in a desktop lol 😅😅

[@zigmarsz.7540]

in one corner

[@ingusfridmanis6275]

overclock3d wrote about it and said underclocked/lower rvoltage systems and stuff works. 13thgen, 14th gen they are running okay for them.

[@freelancerthe2561]

So if I'm understanding this correctly, the microcode update stopped the CPU from mana burning itself. (MTG reference)

[@crash.override]

So, I can untap my CPU? Gonna be annoying to switch to a motherboard w/ a rotated socket.

[@xephael3485]

It's almost like if you hadn't bought an Intel CPU you wouldn't care about this issue...

[@velho6298]

We have 13900k for remote access and workload is compiling and synthetisation of FPGA designs. Now after 2 years of constant running we've seen failures where we get random crashes and freeze ups

[@TheKayack1]

to be honest with you Wendell (and with any Gamer Nexus or any other guy), a lot of us want to know if the i5 13600K/14600K CPU's are really affected or not. obviously i've changed the microcode from X113 to X129 and while i noticed the temps, voltage, etc... were lower, there's not a whole lot of difference, the CPU doesn't seem to take too much voltage to begin with. the only really interesting change was the Lite Load value (i'm on a Z790 MSI board), they put the Lite Load value between 18 and 22 on their MOBO which is crazy, so i manually changed to 9 like it was originally and the temps/voltage went lower without real performances loss. you should tell people to be really careful with this value because it sends excessive voltage to the CPU in an effort to stabilize it (even though most CPU's don't need this).

[@NicoDsSBCs]

Is this also the case for I5-1340p and I7-1360p? I'm reviewing the Khadas mind and wonder if this device it's lifetime is limited or not. It runs a lot lower than the desktop CPU's. 2.4Ghz all cores for performance cores and 1.9Ghz for efficiency all cores. Can boost higher with tasks that don't use all cores at once. Thank you Wendell for sharing your knowledge.

[@ABaumstumpf]

I had complained about this since coffe-lake: The motherboards applying insanely bad settings out of the box: disabling most if not all protection mechanisms, increasing the power-limit to infinity, and applying insanely stupid CPU-frying automatic overclocks with very high over-voltage that resulted in nearly no extra performance but a lot of heat - And Intel did nothing. That is what they are to blame for. My 8700K was gulping down in the neighbourhood of 150W when i first powered it up. No settings changed, straight out of the box onto the motherboard and into cinebench. Then i just enabled all safety-features again and set the rest of the settings according to intels specs. Lo and behold - the CPU was a tiny bit slower in benchmarks (well of course - i did limit it to the official 4.3GHz allcore instead of the 4.7GHz overclock) but it stayed below 110W. Some further small tweaking and now, even under full turbo in CB23, it stays below its TDP - which means it can now run 24/7 at maximum turbo while staying cooler and using less power. Sadly i did not catch that an UEFI-update changed some secondary voltages and fried the iGPU with a nice blistering 1.5V.

[@MikeBob2023]

Thank you, Wendell! 👍🏼 I'm all washed up on Intel 13th/14th gen (making do with 12th gen for now), but I'm holding out hope for Bartlett Lake next year! 🤞🏼 Wish me luck! 🍀

[@NVMDSTEvil]

We need someone to do failure testing using a load cycle or a load that makes the cpu hold peak voltage.

[@mikschultzyevo]

So... I killed my chip because i had a water chiller on it and it never broke 65C under gaming loads? Lol😅😅😅😅😅😅 gg Intel

[@jackdaniels5538]

Skill issue (as in too much skill. If your build had been worse your chip would've lived o7)

[@mikschultzyevo]

@@jackdaniels5538 2x360 rads and a salt water chiller To run it out of the box stock. 😂😎

[@orthodoxNPC]

So the chips that "stayed hot" or C0 had better longevity?

[@alchemystn2o]

Damn he's good.

[@gessler555]

My 14700K peak VID goes up to 1.565V despite applying 129 update & being on Intel Default Settings. Mobo is STRIX Z790-E Gaming WiFi II.

[@nurnabilah1921]

Wendell should charge a expensive marketing fees from Intel. This video makes me feel safe to buy Intel cpu again esp the 14th gen.

[@WDC_OSA]

Thanks Wendell

[@herobrinecyberdemon8104]

At the end of the day the failure rates of Raptor lake are in times more than with previous gens. People should keep that in mind looking at the seconhand market... ha, they'll go for the first for the socket gen i9s like with LGA1200.

[@Trasselkalle]

The only place more screwed than Intel seems to be Hoboken. They are always catching flak! 😅

[@joeykeilholz925]

Greybeard chads rise the fuck up

[@Fakeman]

Just to recap here: - There are issues with eTVB algorithm which caused excessive voltages on the high end - hence better water cooled systems degraded faster than just air cooled systems. Combined with motherboard manufacturer "customizations", this lead to degradation at high frequencies. - Issues at lower voltages are in the clock stretching circuit. There is a design flaw which caused degradation in that circuit. Setting the cpu governor to performance (and i assume high performance in windows) doesn't allow lower voltages, hence the issue isnt encountered as often. Am I interpreting this correctly, or are all these issues derived from the clock tree?

[@joeykeilholz925]

Greybeard chads rise the fuck up

[@joemarais7683]

So weird that there's still this focus on "AIBs bad" in an effort to redeem Intel, who have known about these issues for *years*. I'm not seeing any reports of rapid degrading on AM5, so if AIBs had fault, there'd also be those reports, right?

[@SPyoutube42069]

i feel like intel should be mailing me a check to compensate me for all the time i'm spending redoing bios settings, if i end up having to call microsoft to reactivate windows because of too many "recent hardware changes" i'm going to explode

[@pplmacos]

gigabyte is in no hurry to update its boards

[@dukejukem8843]

I'm so glad they force C1E so my motherboard literally screams due to c-state noise now. So cool. Guess I'll turn c-states off. Edit: I know this is basically the fault of my motherboard. A "good" board shouldn't have c-state noise.

[@infinitelo_op]

My mobo had an beta update BIOS which does not allow disabling C1E anymore.

[@mrlore1063]

thank you!!!

[@owlmostdead9492]

So bad code is kind of killing the CPU's? Jesus imagine your code is so poorly written the CPU running it commits un-creation lol

[@puffyips]

50% 🫠😂

[@gijoeljamesmaldonado]

intel was a hassle for me 25 years ago. so I went amd and never went back. yes, i did have a bulldozer chip.

[@mikschultzyevo]

I appreciate the admission lol "Yes I had a bulldozer" Synonymous with "Yes I rode a moped" Lol

[@duckrutt]

I built a couple of em. FM2 motherboards and CPU's were dirt cheap.

[@AmazingAirshowVideos]

KNOWING THAT THERE IS/WAS A PROBLEM & NOT TELLING IT TO YOUR CUSTOMERS AND LEAVING THEM TO THINK IT COULD BE A WINDOWS PROBLEM, DRIVER PROBLEM, OTHER HARDWARE PROBLEMS IN THEIR MACHINE, ALL WHILE HAVING DOWNTIME & BUSINESS DISRUPTION IS DISGUSTING. I WILL NEVER TRUST INTEL AGAIN. THEY LET THEIR CUSTOMERS SUFFER WHILE NOT TELLING THEM THEY ARE THE CAUSE.

[@gijoeljamesmaldonado]

I love AMD.

[@HXRDWIREDGaming]

I love AMD and Intel, you should go with the best performance for what you do :)

[@joeykeilholz925]

I'm here, welcome

[@azjeep26]

I NEED HELP my intel chip might be going bad now... i only having problems while gaming my pc just restart on its own and my temps are good really good... my gpu is a rtx 2080 ti I have had for years its been use only for playing world of warcraft @ 4k med settings nothing more to say...

[@containsnosmashmouth1849]

chicjen

[@DrDingus]

That's great they are mitigating the risk.. but why spend my hard earned money on one when I can get a Ryzen CPU and not have to worry ? What is the value proposition?

[@uHansG]

Everyone explains it differently. Is it possible that you all just have no idea? I don't even know if Intel has any idea...

[@Charles_Bro-son]

Do we trust Intel with their upcoming releases?

[@HXRDWIREDGaming]

It should be fine. They eluded to a failure of parts in the chip, these change. Then they know to look for it now. They are doing damage control RN, this would be the best time to buy new chips tbh, itll keep prices as low as possible. If it does fail, they will take care of it. They dont need another, uh, this happening lol.

[@jackdaniels5538]

Problem is not that they forked up. That happens to everyone. The real issue is that they knew there was a serious problem over a year ago, and their response was to say nothing and pray no one noticed before 15th gen washed it all away. This company would shaft us again without blinking. Fairness to customers doesn't factor into their calculations.

[@natjimoEU]

I'm so tired of listening to people complain about intel..

[@ThaexakaMavro]

I identified as first

[@IRefuseToUseThisStupidFeature]

I am still going to be holding off before buying intels next generation. Even if it's 3x better, I am not putting what little money I have into something that may leave me with a computer that doesn't work.

[@MikeBob2023]

The surgeon getup fits! Dr. Wendell, I presume? 🥼🩺🩻