USB 4.0 for DAYS! Checking Out The MSI MPG X870E Carbon WiFi

[@TheGameBench]

Asus is selling the Crosshair Hero for $700 and have the nerve to not include 10Gb Ethernet. Personally, I would rather they included that than a uselessly over power VRM setup and I think a board selling for $500+ should have 10Gb included. But I'm sure the Godlike will be near $1,000 and will be a stupid purchasing decision.

[@Chicken-o5e]

How much more do you think it costs these companies to include a 10Gb instead of 5 or 2.5? Seems like they are just stingy idk.

[@TheGameBench]

@@Chicken-o5e It's about $90 for a reputable adapter from TP Link at retail, and knowing that it cost them a lot less, I'm guessing marginally more than both the 2.5Gb and 5Gb controllers. Since it's easy to include a controller, like the TP Link adapter, that can do 10Mb all the way up to 10Gb, there's really not much need for the other two... though, I can see where having two controllers could be advantageous. I've seen people bring up the PCIe lanes... and that's a non issue if you dump the 2.5Gb and 5Gb, but I would say goodbye to a couple of 10Gb type A USB ports if it meant getting 10Gb Ethernet. These Ryzen chips have more PCIe lanes that Intel, but perhaps that will change with Arrow Lake. Other people complain about the heat, but using those VRM heat sinks and having proper airflow shouldn't be an issue at all. Not like we're asking for them to put 10Gb on a basic A series chipset board. I really do think it comes down to them allocating too much money to things that don't benefit the consumer, like overkill power stages, and fearing that the added cost of 10Gb would make it too expensive and that it's perhaps too niche. It's mostly that these companies are out of touch and didn't learn anything from the previous generation.

[@Chicken-o5e]

@@TheGameBench thanks for the insight. It does seem like their priorities arent right rather than being stingy.. or maybe both? lol im just gonna get the x870 asrock pro rs wifi at a great $210 compared to the unneeded $500+ mobos that dont benefit my needs

[@drunksupportcharacter]

My NUC 12 extreme has 10GbE its not a requirement for me, if i had the thing setup for better local transfer options it would help i guess, but this thing is a few years old now and was under £1k at least, when i looked at high spec motherboards for a new build i have that fear of downgrading because its rare to see on the high end boards, and hey, the i9 version even got an additional 2.5Gb port with the entire pc in a form factor smaller than a 4090. The PC market is stranger than ever these days IMO, i think we are on a 2 steps forward and 2 steps back scenario, improvements are made and then other problems or limitations arise elsewhere.

[@fujinshu]

@@TheGameBenchThey have the same number of PCIe lanes, but the Intel CPUs reserve 8 lanes for their DMI, which gives more PCIe bandwidth for the chipset, while AMD reserves 4 of those lanes for their chipset and gives the rest of them as direct connections.

[@TheTechTank]

Yay for voice audio!

[@mattstone8878]

I just pooped I'm so exited 😅 💩

[@bgb702]

I'm new here. Is this a motherboard feature or is the video audio better?

[@craftkiller9627]

​@@bgb702the video was originally uploaded with no voice audio, just the smooth jazz background.

[@bgb702]

@@craftkiller9627 ahhhh that makes sense thanks👍

[@mauriciob8260]

Why this X870E boards are so dawn expensive since they offer almost nothing else comparing with the X670E , JESUS !!!!!! 700.00 US DOLLARS, I wait 2 years to upgrade from AM4 to AM5 and my Aorus Master X670E I just paid 250.00 openbox and for my 7900X just 269.00 new , so I will apply the same formula for the X870E , I refuse to paid overprice

[@anasevi9456]

Irony is that's 'underselling' what a rort this board is. lol! $700 would be a ripoff for some giant HEDT motherboard with a billion pcie lanes in undivided 16X slots and sata ports! $700 for a fluffed up basic b!tch 24 lane ATX motherboard?!! that is just disgusting. They always trump up pcie5.0/4.0 making it 'not matter' but it does without a bunch of expensive PLX chips to split the lanes up usefully.

[@RobFisherUK]

Money is worth less than it was 3 years ago. The board designs are getting better. This has a lot of things not on the X670 Carbon.

[@RondellKB]

​@@RobFisherUKI don't care what anyone says, the only reason any motherboard should be over $400 is if every single component have pure gold or some other precious metal. Also, videos about motherboards are weird 😂.

[@octoslut]

@@RobFisherUK how are board designs getting better?? cut the crap.... my asus x99 rampage extreme from 2014 has more feature than my x670 aorus master and taichi

[@TheSjuris]

@@RobFisherUK x670e carbon was more expensive at release date. So was the x670e Taichi.

[@PatrickLaske]

Not a ton of audio ports on the back, strange for a $500 board, are they expecting you to have your own soundcard / dac at this price point? For comparison the last gen Carbons had 5 audio connectors (RF/CF Out and L/in are missing)

[@1Grainer1]

isn't ECC not present in MSI board? or doesn't work (based on HUB testing)... checked video, Asus doesn't have that, MSI failed to boot, and max speed for ram was 8100 on MSI carbon wifi... so ultimately wasn't that far off

[@kwinzman]

The smart button being next to the clear CMOS button is straight out of a satire.

[@LostInDistance]

Bought this today. Along with the amd 9 7950X3D. Can’t wait to try it out.

[@Chicken-o5e]

9950x3d next year u gonna upgrade?

[@LostInDistance]

@@Chicken-o5e Not sure yet to be honest? The 9000 series just hasn’t impressed me enough so far. I’ll wait and see what it can do.

[@BBWahoo]

​@@LostInDistance If you tweak ram it's better imo

[@lolly_bread]

Noice. That's the combo I'm looking to buy (most likely at this point). Pairing with 4070TiS (unless the 5000 series is ready very soon and good value.

[@saksham2idk342]

For how much and where?

[@leviathanpriim3951]

still not enough PCIe lanes

[@kevinerbs2778]

Trying to get people to move to threadripper TRX50/WRX90 for more.

[@343_GuiltySpark]

Very interesting that my X670E Taichi is using an Intel Maple Ridge controller for "USB4" but X870E Taichi moved to a new ASMedia controller.

[@fujinshu]

The Intel chips are stuck at PCIe 3.0 x4, while the ASMedia chips have a PCIe 4.0 x4 link, which allows for full bandwidth of TWO USB4 ports at a time compared to one full-bandwidth connection with Intel.

[@343_GuiltySpark]

@@fujinshu Interesting. The block diagram for my board shows PCIe 5.0 x4 dedicated to the Maple Ridge controller. Likely only running at 3.0? Little disingenuous of this diagram.

[@fujinshu]

@@343_GuiltySpark Thunderbolt 4 and USB4 only run at 40Gb/s with PCIe tunnelling at 32Gb/s, which is PCIe 3.0 x4. Having a PCIe 5.0 x4 link to the controller is very much overkill, unless the board has 4 USB4/Thunderbolt ports.

[@343_GuiltySpark]

@@fujinshu I’m simply reading the block diagram.

[@DLTX1007]

@@343_GuiltySpark Simply showing what its connected to, rather than the downstream device's capabilities

[@futurepastnow]

I did my research and did the opposite- I just bought a X670E motherboard with plans to get a 9800X3D soon. It was a hundred bucks cheaper than the cheapest X870E, with the exact same chipsets, and it doesn't trap 4x PCIe lanes into a port I won't use (it even has a Thunderbolt AIC connector if I change my mind on that someday).

[@Musikvidedo]

what a chill ass song in the intro/background. Love it

[@tj_2701]

I did hear that one major reason these boards weren't a day one item is because that would've meant air shipping and they didn't want expensive boards at launch, and air shipping increases the price of the board.

[@mytech6779]

They just didn't wan't the sticker shock of expensive boards associated with the CPUs. Bulk air freight is a fairly trivial cost difference for this size and price item. And they can easilly planahead to have ocean freight ship with enough time. Anyway the cost isn't as simple as the base transport price. Ocean frieght has higher holding costs, and the port delays add a lot of uncertainty to the timing. Surface transport can also have higher insurance premiums and theft risks.

[@AMerexican787]

2:43 according to the manual the second pciex16 slot is limited to x4 the x670e version allowed x8/x8 though

[@RobFisherUK]

Gamers: these boards are too expensive and the chipset is the same! Us: look at all those USB ports! Btw Hardware Unboxed said ECC did not work and MSI said they did not support it on consumer boards. If you found differently, that's interesting.

[@IrenicusFTW]

Upgrading from an AM4 to AM5 has such a steep price hike, that many are holding off for as long as they can. I mean, unless you absolutely *need* to be on the bleeding edge, you can just as well play all the new releases on an AM4 platform.

[@pankothompson5903]

I wonder how much of the final price is the fancy graphics io shield, box art etc. how cheap could they make it in just green pcb and small efficient high surface area cooling blocks, no wifi

[@GMDGeek]

Here is a question I keep asking but get very little on ... we keep adding more USB ports to the motherboards, consuming more and more bandwidth at what point will we look at the motherboard itself and start a redesign to address USB bandwidth, actually moving data between USB, M2, GPU, and CPU at true PCIe speeds ... will it happen when PCIe7 finally releases hardware? I'm pretty sure from what I've read and seen, PCIe 5.0 doesn't address it nor does PCIe6.0 base on the newest quality motherboards being released. This is something I very curious about given the advancement of CPUs, GPUs, RAM, and Storage ...

[@therues7071]

I think it's because most consumers don't consider the bandwidth or check how many PCIe lanes are being used by each component. Ninety percent of people just see more USB connections and assume it's a better board-just my theory. It's all about the sales, and most people aren't looking into details like that.

[@maxstrong1999]

I think you are confusing form factor with data transfer standards. 1. M.2 is a form factor. You can have m.2 over SATA, m.2 over PCIe, etc. You could take up some of your PCIe lanes for I/O but one would have to pencil it out to see if it is a worthy use of PCIe lanes.

[@jmwintenn]

i don't think you're supposed to use all of them at the same time my man. comes with a manual, cant socket this into that if you're using slot 2, etc.

[@GMDGeek]

@@maxstrong1999 I understand form factor, Input/Output (I/O), data flow & processing, and all that. so let me clarify: I want to know at what point do we make actual advancements on the motherboards to make them next generation? With more USB devices pushing more data at higher speeds (4K cams, high end microphones, full time editors using fastest external drives, capture devices, etc.) benchmarks clearly show the motherboard architecture becoming the bottleneck. The reason I referenced PCIe7 in addition to USB arch/controllers is due to technical documentation, research and even videos, including one from this channel addressing how in the future the desire is to have more efficient communication and workflow between ram, GPU, storage (I removed M2 reference and left it as storage as to NOT confuse it), and CPU which will be hard pressed if little is done to improve USB and external device impact on motherboards. PCIe is evolving (slowly) and is why most speculate we will jump from 5.0 to 7.0 skipping over 6.0. Will that solve the problem, not sure. Hence the reason for my question.

[@GMDGeek]

Not supposed to and I don't - that's a no-brainer for me but do you know the number of people out there that do? If it's provided people will use it. Look at streamers as an example. I can name a dozen off the top of my head with 2 or 3 4K cams, 2 microphones, control decks, other devices, and all that essentially filling all the available ports. I even know two big streamers that use USB hubs because they don't have enough ports - it's crazy.

[@Its-Just-Zip]

Holy USB batman! I think im in love! If I was in my upgrade cycle I think i know what i would go for.

[@andr3w1985]

Very interested to see a deeper dive into ECC memory support and IOMMU groups on this board! The ASUS X870E ProArt also looks pretty compelling, especially if the X670E version is anything to go by.

[@dafyddthomas7299]

This is an extremely beautiful well put together board - love the USB 4, x M2 latches, High spec DDR5, CPU using latest AMD 5 processors and the 3 PCI-E Expansion slots - probably at moment the best AMD motherboard out there; I'm stuck with building soon an Intel Toasty I7 G14 system with Intel 790 Mobo chipset - Wish me Luck!

[@Dan-Simms]

Pretty funny that the first upload was titled fixing audio, and had audio issues. Thought it was some sort of 4D chess.

[@Momijigari]

Are there any USB primer videos? As in, I use USB for KB, Mouse, Flash Drives, Printer, sometimes to connect Android phone, and sometimes portable drives. I would assume there is a lot more that can be done with USB and newer versions of it... since all the channels seem to be touting USB 4... etc... but not explaining what it can be used for except its faster. What am I missing? What else is USB good for? What other devices? Edit: Also, there are so many USB ports now... I am a few generations behind but I have a bunch of USB 3.x ports I've never used or needed.

[@iain8837]

This or the Nova? Both are the same price for me, looking for something with the best bios and support. A popular board to check KZbin for guides to setup an x3d, no overclock, just standard boost. I think I prefer this to the Nova.

[@fourwheelerjock]

I bought my earlier today. Sucks that you cant run both gen 5 m.2 drives without reverting the main PCIE from 16x to 8x... Thats my only gripe with the board. Do yoy think i can run the operating software on the 3rd gen4 m.2 slot and be ok? Bc id really like to have that gen5 speed for my 8K video editing...

[@bobclarke5913]

What's the PCIe bifurcation situation?

[@booboo699254]

MSI has been good, I don't know about this board. But even my old MSI X370 support PCIe bifurcation.

[@Phil-D83]

Supported, but wait for someone else to test it

[@panchovixmenn]

2nd PCI-E slot shares lanes with M2_2. Even if using a bifurcation card, it will run at X8/X4 5.0

[@bobclarke5913]

​@@Phil-D83 Right, that's what I'm hoping someone will report back. MSI's page didn't give the exact breakdown for my current B550 board, so it breaks a slot into x8/x4/x4 - which leaves my 4 slot NVME expansion card to only use 3 slots. Seems to be how MSI did many AM4 boards, don't know with AM5. More onboard NVME is nice too, but I've never had enough storage ;)

[@Phil-D83]

@bobclarke5913 the lack of pxie 1x slots on the 870 series is very strange.

[@KiltedCritic]

Is the extra PCI power cable on the board not for providing power delivery to the USB4, rather than another PCI-E device?

[@andr3w1985]

In this case it's purely for 12V rail on the board (PCIe slots, 12V RGB, 12V fan headers etc.). That said, the PCIe 6 or 8 pin connectors that are normally "for PD" also seem to connect to the board's 12V rail as the 12V pins in the connectors I've tested have have continuity with the 12V pins in the ATX 24 pin connector, PCIe slots and fan headers. I imagine boards that disable higher PD modes when the supplementary PCIe connector is not connected use the sense pin(s) to detect the presence of the cable.

[@Geezer_Gun]

MSI does not support ECC, officially.

[@catsspat]

Or even unofficially. HUB tested it and it didn't work, and MSI said they don't support it on consumer boards. That's why I've been 100% AsRock and AsRockRack for the last decade or so.

[@RobFisherUK]

​@@catsspatthis does push me towards Asrock... I have an Asrockrack server board that I love. But I don't like the Asrock equivalents of this board as much and realistically for me this board is always going to be in some gaming PC.

[@coridyn]

Asus also supports ECC with a recent enough AGESA - I'm currently running ECC on my B650E-I board. I'm pretty sure Gigabyte supports ECC in their boards as well, but haven't done that myself. I'm glad it's finally getting accessible on consumer hardware!

[@Geezer_Gun]

​@@coridynI think all the major 870e boards do support ecc with the exception of MSI.

[@mytech6779]

@@coridyn Details matter, many board makers will claim to physically support ECC DIMMs, but they don't support ECC so it just becomes overpriced standard memory.

[@audigex]

I’m sold for those screwless M.2 slots alone. Game changer

[@bigbrownmab189]

Speaking of fast memory. I just built with the x870 tomahawk. running corsair vengance ddr5 6600 2x32, and it will not run any higher then 4800mhz. Is this something that is a issue with all boards at this time, seems lots of people are saying this is a known issue on msi boards for now????

[@jrksoldierx1436]

After seeing this im glad i got my X670E Carbon Wifi when i did. It has DisplayPort out and a full set of audio jacks. The lack of Audio Jacks is something i just can't understand. Why are they going away? What are people using instead? Am i just old now? What is life?

[@jmwintenn]

spdif or a dedicated audio card.

[@crash.override]

I would venture either headphones or HDMI+receiver. But mobos w/ 5.1 audio still exist; less common maybe.

[@norkshit]

Most people who really care about analog audio out tend to invest in discrete sound cards, as mobo integrated audio tends to have lots of noise and sub-par signaling. I myself have used a USB audio interface for nearly a decade now, so I have only utilized mobo audio out on rare occasions. In fact, I have my mobo audio disabled in BIOS 99% of the time. Removing the jacks allows the manufacturers to focus on other aspects of the board.

[@jrksoldierx1436]

@@norkshit What about us that use Linux, we can't just buy any sound card / USB

[@fujinshu]

@@jrksoldierx1436Linux desktop users are a minority, so the manufacturers will go where the market goes unfortunately. Although Linux is still popular for specialised use cases such as microcontrollers, servers and game consoles.

[@TubantiStudios]

Do the USB-C 40G ports support thunderbolt 3? Also, I want three PCI-e slots on a motherboard, x16 / x4 / x4 without lane sharing for all my expansion cards without gimping the rtx 5090 I want to buy, but no, no one makes that. I get x8 / x8 / x4 at the most.

[@therues7071]

I just bought this board. Yes its exspensive but I plan to keep it for years. That godlike tho, holy smokes that thing looks amazing. I just cannot justify the price tag. I am coming from a X670 motherboard so I think it is an upgrade.

[@roflylol1889]

Love the intro's TV last clicks missing to set the screensaver :D If it is intentional it is evil genius to trigger :D

[@bobo-cc1xw]

@4:00 Is the strangness that mobos are later due to Air vs sea freight shipping i thought a mobo was like $50 by air. At AM5 launch the first boards were $50 more expensive and people said scalping but when the boats came in they were cheaper and there were less issues in places like down under.

[@BravePJMaster]

Is the primary SSD heatsink the same height as the heatsink/cover for the secondary ssds? Asking because I want to get a GPU block with an active backplate but need to ensure it will not block the heatsink. Thanks!

[@bogey4741]

I’m looking to build a new monster pc and I’m just wondering your take on getting this board and maybe pairing with a 9950x or waiting a month for arrow lake?

[@fujinshu]

If you’re planning on not upgrading your CPU and motherboard separately, then I’d wait and see what Arrow Lake has to offer. Otherwise, I’d suggest buying this board, or even the X670E version and pairing it with a USB4 PCIe add-in board to get USB4.

[@Noob2Ever]

man, its a shame I went with the ProArt X670E - I'd love the X870E version instead as a 4 DIMM user. Also @Level1Techs and you others, do you know anything about Linux drivers or support for the MSI MEG PSUs?

[@MikeBob2023]

Thank you, Wendellman! 🙏🏼👍🏼

[@50shadesofbeige88]

I love seeing tge return of full size PCIE slots, even if they're only wired for X2 or X1.

[@leeuniverse]

"Trust you" when it concerns removing the "Plastic"....? So, I've seen Tests in which leaving the Plastic on actually gives you like 1-2 degrees or so better Thermals?

[@JetSe77er]

Hey Wendell, question about NVME drives: I picked up the WD SN850X, which isn't quite double-sided. Its more like... one and a half-sided. Some people have reported that they get improper thermal pad coverage because of this. Do you think I should add an extra thermal pad layer on the half of the side that doesn't have NAND packages, to apply even thermal pad pressure across it? Is that something that people do?

[@Level1Techs]

somewhat yes. nand chips being hot is okayish controller is what's nice to make full thermal contact . and ram if you have separate dram

[@JetSe77er]

@Level1Techs Great, thank you.

[@DarkFiber23]

That I/O is heavenly. My only minor quibble would be that it provides 10G-baseT instead of 5G. But again, I'm picking nits here.

[@BloodyCactus]

when with consumer level stuff are we gonna see more pcie lanes? what good is so many usb ports when the aggregate bandwidth isnt there to use them all?

[@jmwintenn]

it is expensive,but the godlike looks great with the power connectors and the e-atx giving you 3 pcie slots.

[@darrk_matter]

So Zen 5 on an x670e board can’t reach the same new ddr5 speeds? You have to have x870e?

[@bingo475]

I'm wondering how many PCI-E lanes manufactures are providing for the back IO with USB-4 and all the other ports on there. I often wonder if your doing media ingesting of video or pictures and doing other data transfers at the same time if there will be throttling/bottlenecking from it due to a lack of PCI-E lanes.

[@tim3172]

If my doing what?

[@WillFuI]

Testing fabric stabily it a bit difficult. I know my 7800x3d can do 2200 fclk fully stable but only below 1.25 soc which is very very good. The lower your soc the higher u can clock your flck. If u are sticking to 1:1 mclk:uclk u want to get the uclk as high as possible which normally tops out at 3100 or 3200

[@gucky4717]

That board is linewise not that good. PCIe x16 Slot 1+2 and M.2 Slot 2 share the same lanes. If you use a x16 GPU you can forget the other 2 slots. The board I chose is the MSI X870 Tomahawk. There you can choose between USB4 or a second M.2 5.0 x4 drive, or you share the lanes x2/x2. Another difference is one less USB-C port and more slower USB-A ports. Also the forth M.2 is x2 instead of 4x. But thats about it for a 140€ difference.. (the 110mm M.2 slot is a 5.0 on the Tomahawk :D )

[@TuroQQ]

man Im really digging that "red abstract" wallpaper background 🤣

[@tonizombie]

Is it possible to lock the pcie 1 to x16, disable the pcie 2 and use the m2_2 at X4? Asking because documentation says if using m2_2 then your pcie 1 goes to X8 and pcie 2 goes to x2. Since they share bandwidth

[@Skillnoob_]

I'm interested how fast a 4 stick kit could go in terms of speed on these boards (stable).

[@KA0S-247]

all good now... good sound ;)

[@diseasex]

Hey guys I bought x870e carbon but it doesn’t want to play with Corsair 96gb cl30 6000mhz ram… the best I can get is 3600 … what the hell? With any higher it won’t boot and need to reset cmos… Voltage is 1.4… there’s xmp profile and some other automatic setting to set it to 6000 but they all fail to boot . Any ideas ? CPU is 9950x

[@SaccoBelmonte]

I love the "Overclockingy" typo.

[@PAPO1990]

Ever since AM5 launched I've been planning to get a 2nd gen MoBo and a cheap 1'st gen CPU. Hopefully it will make for smoother in-socket upgrades rather than using a 1st Gen AM5 MoBo. This all looks like my plan will go quite nicely :D just wish there were a few more options with 10GbE onboard.

[@FiveFiveZeroTwo]

5:25 Why are the labels on the buttons rotated 90 deg?

[@Kido1986]

With the talk of DDR5 8000 on these boards, what prevents it from working on X670E, since the memory controller is on the CPU? Asus has an 8000mt kit on the QVL list now for my board, X670E ProArt and Im really tempted to try. Even though my current 6400Mt kit is on the QVL and I cant get it stable past 6200mt (i've tried two different kits built months apart, too). Using 7800x3D Is 8000 actually achievable on X670E in the real world or is it a pipe dream and spending $250 on that 48GB GSkill kit just wasting money?

[@jjdawg9918]

My thoughts exactly!

[@kevinerbs2778]

Power dilivery and clock gen consistancy is improved by better singalining.

[@canaconn2388]

​@@kevinerbs2778singalining lol

[@Vlad-jy9ls]

Better memory topology

[@marchik3d]

will it allow to run 4 48 GB sticks at 5200? asus rog strix on x670 with 8-layer PCB allowed to do it. This one has the same number of layers of PCB but I can't get any information on compatibility anywhere

[@popeter]

i still long for a prosumer grade board with SFP rather than RJ45 so can run a DAC cable or fibre rather than CAT6A

[@NathanWarkentin]

Do MSI boards still die just after the warranty period ends?

[@WillFuI]

I have really thought about getting a new motherboard with more usb connectivity but I got my board for such a deal. I would want an equally good deal on the next one otherwise it’s not worth the hassle

[@chrisbullock6477]

Looking forward to gigabyte coverage. Have had great success with there Ulta/Master boards since X570 ver.2 boards

[@MrCommunistGen]

I'll probably shop an X870E board to replace my X650E Taichi Lite. Everything was fine until I picked up a 1.5TB Optane 905P as my boot drive and my roommate and I got 5Gbps fiber. Now I need at least PCIe lanes to drive 1 more M.2 slot and a place to hang a 10GbE controller off of. 🤷

[@phantom_stnd]

Doesn't all 600 boards have bios flash back?

[@mcash2189]

I'm a fan of the rear IO layout but the deal breaker for me is the lack of PCI expansion there's simply not enough

[@traingp7]

All I care about is how 4 sticks of 128 GB or 192 GB's work with a 9000 series processor and this board. I want memory testing in the next video.

[@winniethewhor]

But can the board actually fully support all those USB ports without losing functionality?

[@cal2127]

or someone needs to move m.2 slots closer yo the brackets so adapters actually let you put a pcie slot adapter in

[@HernanFiorentino]

hi, can yo make a comparisson with the diferent chipset temperatures

[@daemonfox69]

I realize this is weeks later but I JUST explained this chicken and egg CPU/MB BIOS issue to a friend. Since we are building his first AM5 and we have several friends in queue that want holiday builds, I convinced him to grab an 8600G for now and build the rig while he waits for the 9950X3D and new GPUs. Then we can use it for all the rest of the builds as a starter and BIOS update APU.

[@screes620]

That is so many usb ports, but when will type A finally die? Nothing i hate more than having to tilt my entire PC forward to see behind it to figure out which direction in need to align a usb type a connector to plug it into the back of the motherboard. Why can't everything just be Type C already? And can we please get rid of SATA ports while we are at it? Just put more M.2 Slots on motherboards.

[@SPyoutube42069]

i dunno let's keep the sata ports i have a hunch that hdd raid arrays in ATX towers will see an upswing in the near future

[@screes620]

@@SPyoutube42069 HDD's are super dead, and so is raid. Have you ever opened a 2.5" SSD before? The PCB doesn't even fill the whole space. There is zero reason why you can't just change from a sata connector to an m.2 connector for all SSD's. Have expansion cards with a bunch of M.2 Slots on them if you really need a bunch of drives.

[@EthelbertCoyote]

Waiting on the next Threadripper... to be a generation behind this with less io likely. Hearing the "WA wa" song in my head, but I need the rendering.

[@jmwintenn]

probably gonna be waiting a while. current TR released earlier this year right? or was that the pro tr?

[@kevinerbs2778]

​@@jmwintennboth 7000 series TR released.

[@mytech6779]

​@@jmwintenn When are zen5 Epyc being released? TR is basically just a microcode mod on an Epyc package for obscenely priced workstation motherboards.

[@Feed9Will]

Dongles for days! IMO - PCIe lanes been missing for days! Fk this new DT vs HEDT paradigm. I remember bleeding edge affordable X58 i7-920.

[@mytech6779]

My $120 AM2+ had 44 lanes with the slots being able to split all sorts of ways two x16 1 1 or 16 8 4 4 1 1 (and the chipset allowed four x8, twox8 and several x4/x1 and several other combinations.) I don't thing these new chipsets even allow board venders to do alternate splits they get one 16 or 8+8, and an m.2; all other slot mixes must be from an expansion chip. x32 and x2 slots are both in the pcie standard but I've never seen them in the wild.

[@Feed9Will]

​@@mytech6779 Exactly. "Modern" DT is just underwhelming lame compromises. Hard no for me on X870E. Forced USB4 to steal 4 lanes from an already crippled PCIe design, continued RAM issues with 4 DIMMs, stupid amount of USB + shared lane M.2s, PCIe 5 bandwidth should be switched to more PCIe4 lanes - well see how much wasted bandwidth with a 5090 uses on PCIe5 x8 slot, stupid amount of $ dumped into VRMs + RGB, and a $500+ "modern" mobo can't even get you a complete soundcard with 7.1 analog + SPDIF, nor a 10Gbit ethernet. If one is hardset on a AM5 upgrade I'd go X670E for more flexible platform or B650 for cheap. X870E compromised dumpster fire. With the alternative being a 4x more expensive HEDT. Just dumb deliberate market segmentation. Previous HEDT wouldn't even double cost of build. All of IT / tech going way of broadcom - soon "they'll" say you don't even need a home PC and just sell thin clients to rent your PC in the cloud with no root/admin permissions. Approved apps only. Ignorance is strength.

[@Feed9Will]

​ @mytech6779 Exactly. "Modern" DT is just underwhelming lame compromises. Hard no for me on X870E. Forced USB4 to steal 4 lanes from an already crippled PCIe design, continued RAM issues with 4 DIMMs, stupid amount of USB + shared lane M.2s, PCIe 5 bandwidth should be switched to more PCIe4 lanes - well see how much wasted bandwidth with a 5090 uses on PCIe5 x8 slot, stupid amount of $ dumped into VRMs + RGB, and a $500+ "modern" mobo can't even get you a complete soundcard with 7.1 analog + SPDIF, nor a 10Gbit ethernet. If one is hardset on a AM5 upgrade I'd go X670E for more flexible platform or B650 for cheap. X870E compromised dumpster fire. With the alternative being a 4x more expensive HEDT. Just dumb deliberate market segmentation. Previous HEDT wouldn't even double cost of build. All of IT / tech going way of broadcom - soon "they'll" say you don't even need a home PC and just sell thin clients to rent your PC in the cloud with no root/admin permissions. Approved apps only. Ignorance is strength.

[@Level_Up_Nation]

ProArt comes with a 10GB port and a 5

[@tonizombie]

Pretty annoyed about that both Pcie slots sharing bandwidth with M2 slot 2. The x670e version didnt do that

[@pyroslev]

the number of ports on that back panel. Phew, almost NSFW there Wendell.

[@cal2127]

i need something with more than 2 pcie slots

[@Splarkszter]

Is there a way I can enable USB4 on my laptop that has the hardware for it?

[@191.]

This background be like: "Oh no.. Which wallpaper do I choose? I will just use all of them."

[@niklashagg7112]

"What wallpaper do you want?" "Just search for red abstract, it'll be great."

[@KiwiHelpgeek]

How many thousands of dollars are the boards?

[@britishagent]

Do any of these expensive consumer boards have U2 slots?

[@tim3172]

M.2 to U.2 (SFF-8643) is an $8 adapter.

[@sevendollarbill]

This board, or the godlike with testing of the 9900/9950(x3d) chips when they come out!

[@Ryozenflame]

Personally I really quite like this motherboard and I’ll probably rock it with the Ryzen 7 9800X 6000 ram with a 4070 ti super from MSI as well probably one of the better X870 boards and I think it’s perfect for the dark fire dragon first build Im planning great video btw ❤

[@xero110]

I feel like having a wallpaper site up on the screens in the background is trying to tell me something, I just can't put my finger on it.

[@JiSiN3000]

Audio! Here we go 🕺🏻🎉

[@Kapono5150]

The X670E Hero has had USB4 going on 2 years now, lol

[@TheSjuris]

So has the Taichi. The Hero is also $200 more.

[@Aerobrake]

Please check out the X870-I Strix board I would like to learn more about it from someone as knowledgeable as you!

[@crash.override]

Still don't have a use-case for the USB4 on my X670 mobo, so I certainly don't need multiple USB4 for $$$.

[@zyxyuv1650]

After all these years, they still don't have 10GbE LAN? I'm using 10GbE so I don't ever want 2.5 or 5GbE on my motherboard because it's just going to waste. I have to use a PCIe slot to install another network card while ignoring the ones on the Mobo. This complicates all planning if you actually need some PCIe slots. PCIe slots are precious, I.e. I might have to get rid of a video capture card just to install a network card. I wonder if there's some kind of intellectual property problems with 10GbE? The price and availability of 10GbE should have decreased by now.

[@kenryoshi]

W for Wendell calling USB4 what it should always have been called

[@tim3172]

You mean the X.X name that everybody complained about for a decade?

[@dipi71]

RAID 10 possible with 4 M.2 sticks onboard?

[@kwinzman]

In 2024 you should be using software raid in any case. So yes, of course, RAID 10 is possible.

[@reloadingdontshoot1]

As someone who uses his integrated GPU on my 7800x3d frequently when I'm without a gpu in between cards, the 870 series is a massive no for me; will be keeping my X670E Tomahawk. No idea why they'd take that out; don't care if HDMI is "more popular." Gamers use Display Port; can't have saved SO much money to not include them on the external I/O

[@Phil-D83]

No pcie 1x slots?

[@DingleBerryschnapps]

I've had thunderbolt/usb 4 on my z790 for 2 years now.

[@kwinzman]

And?

[@capability-snob]

I'm sure there are people out there that like wi-fi on their desktop system, but that feels like a great source of EMF noise and just another thing to fail to me.

[@georgedaswani9155]

Why does it need two LAN ports? Why not get rid of one of them and just give customers 10 Gb?

[@stalkholm5227]

My x470 is still trucking along, but damn.

[@BLASTIC0]

I have the pro art x670e MB you showed… seems like not much/if any of an upgrade from that. Yes, 1 more usb - 10gigabit but only a 5gig lan vs the 10 on the pro art

[@ThePawel36]

What about USB4 then?

[@BLASTIC0]

@@ThePawel36 my x670e already has 2 USB 4 ports

[@ThePawel36]

@@BLASTIC0 x670e proArt doesn't come with usb4

[@BLASTIC0]

@@ThePawel36 I’m using one right now, it has it. Website says it does too. Not sure what you are looking at.

[@ThePawel36]

@@BLASTIC0 I check you right. It comes with USB4 ports. My bad sorry

[@Act1veSp1n]

We need some testing

[@grproteus]

What I really need to know is, why, WHY at that pricepoint is there no 10Gig ethernet. Why are we still stuck in 2.5Gigabit, when we had Gigabit ethernet 20 years ago.

[@rogerhalt3991]

How come you said two NVME drives is fine on the Tai Chi then no explanation about four on this board? I hope the plastic shroud is good at dissipating heat

[@jjdawg9918]

As you may know LVL1 techs is an primarily an ASROCK shop although they never say it. They need to start saying they are sponsored by Asrock. (and getting free boards for review is being "sponsered")

[@Zanpaa]

@@jjdawg9918 and being flown across the world for events.

[@rogerhalt3991]

@@jjdawg9918 ahh okay thanks, I didn’t know it went that far. I was just curious why he didn’t mention about the amount of NVME’s seen here.