Intel's answer to Snapdragon PCs

[@TheFridayCheckout]

Your eyes aren't deceiving you, it's a Friday Checkout that's not on a Friday! This is an experiment of a special episode. My thinking is that often something newsworthy happens that's not quite at the depth of a TechAltar video, but might deserve a video of its own. Soooo something like this. What do you think about this format?

[@Von_Hozee]

It's great.We need to get informed about major tech news as fast as possible.Friday was a sweet spot but it's seemed kind late considering if the news were announced on Monday.

[@jorns6678]

Yes please❤

[@thztan7492]

No problem, sometimes breaking news happend & friday might be too late

[@rogehmarbi]

I like it, think of it as a "breaking news" segment for once in a blue moon stuff

[@rasheedstarlet]

😂 The "your eyes aren't deceiving" 😂

[@chefnyc]

"Nothing messes up your Friday like realizing it's only Wednesday"

[@protocetid]

time to sue The Friday Checkout for false advertising

[@AyoJAjayi]

Swears 😅

[@havencat9337]

he got payed nicelly

[@userou-ig1ze]

Except if you are additionally asked to come in on Saturday

[@ArvinrajApplasamy]

Nevermind lunarlake, I nearly had a heart attack, I thought I missed my doctor's appointment scheduled on Friday morning.

[@palody_en-ja]

Let me guess, cardiologist?

[@reinaldoplacetas]

Similar reaction here just without the doctor appointment. Just thought they get it wrong, it's Wednesday 😅😂😂😂

[@TheUnknownSpiderMan]

😂😂😂😂😂❤❤❤

[@N....]

Turns out competition is good, actually

[@ridhamh2966]

IKR

[@BGTech1]

Competition drives innovation

[@MrSatwant1990]

ya but all goes to TSMC ... need competition at foundries level too

[@N....]

@@MrSatwant1990 Great point!

[@Blaze6108]

Yeah, but it's unfortunate that it's not really happening on the same products. Anything that cannot run real x86 (at the ISA level) is forever stunted in some way, there's simply too much software (and compilers) written for it. Which is why the only company that has really managed to get an x86 replacement to work is Apple, because they just do full emulation of the ISA. But since x86 (or at least its modern version) is entirely entirely patented, nobody can compete on implementing it, not even if they use merely the instruction encoding, due to how extreme the patent system is. Apple could only do it because Intel acquiesced, and Intel only acquiesced because Apple is a larger corporation than them and they have the brute power to make a court fight risky. Pre-social caveman rules, basically. I know I am never going to buy anything other than Intel or AMD. That's not because I have brand loyalty, but because those are literally the only two companies that are allowed to make chips that can run my software.

[@JimsyDog]

It's wendsday my dudes

[@noonespecialtbh]

Nah mate you just time traveled from Tuesday to friday

[@pneuma23093]

It’s chewsday

[@ccoedo808]

Äääääääaaaaaaaaaah

[@oozwal]

😆😆

[@cryptocsguy9282]

😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@jorns6678]

Lets take the day off tomorrow, it's Friday!

[@Rabolisk]

I just got fired from work because I didn't go to work today 😂

[@ksdme]

If Lunar Lake delivers it certainly has an easier winning path because Qualcomm X is an ARM chip so it has to run x86 programs under emulated mode which introduces a penalty and in some cases underdelivers on the performance gains.

[@iwilitu6591]

Won't be an issue if windows finally moved to ARM

[@WarmHold7717]

​@@iwilitu6591It wouldn't be a problem with Windows itself, but specific apps that are designed specifically for x86 architecture may not work right away

[@betag24cn]

if microsoft moves to arm only, guess who will have to translate instructions intel with their risc v? 😂

[@antonystringfellow5152]

Yes, but it will also depend on price. Didn't hear anything about that.

[@zachb1706]

@@iwilitu6591yeah don’t see that happening any time soon

[@DeusEx.Machina]

There better be another one on Friday. Don’t mess with my routine bro.

[@e-ben616]

Honestly his videos tell me okay that's enough productivity for the week. Now I'm wondering how I'm going to function tomorrow at work 😂

[@TheFridayCheckout]

No worries, a regular Friday Checkout is coming as usual :)

[@DeusEx.Machina]

@@TheFridayCheckout Thanks man, Happy Friday then.

[@himalthapa1274]

I double checked my calendar, 😆😆😆

[@Cybfreak99]

Me too😂😂😂

[@badbad-cat]

I got bamboozled for a second 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@anwarxv9279]

I just swiped down the screen Meanwhile,an average iphone user be like :

[@malikfaisal416]

Looking at the thumbnail, I thought it was from the main channel Tech Altar

[@SunsetNova]

Thank you Apple for ditching Intel. Had Apple not done this we would still be talking about Intel 10nm+++++++++++++ processs

[@sergioyichiong7269]

Thank you intel I wont screwed by programed obsolescence of Apple .

[@themedleb]

And Qualcomm too (even though it seems late) and a bit of AMD.

[@supremest1]

Waiting until some vulnerability to come out and wipe that efficienct with a patch like usual

[@themedleb]

Right lol.

[@SK-vw3in]

3:56 I remembered the harris meme here just to realize that it's included in the video 5 seconds later 😂

[@__aceofspades]

Lunar Lake is looking to be the biggest improvement for windows laptops ever. It's basically akin to when Apple made their M1 chip, except Lunar Lake is M3 performance, except with Intel since they arent changing overall architecture, there is no software issues like we see with Snapdragon and we briefly saw with the M1. Lunar Lake is a game changer, and surprisingly AMD is now behind in efficiency and iGPU performance.

[@kirby21-xz4rx]

Your saying that like amd doesn't have the most powerful igus in the world even if they not for consumer buy. I mean they are literally the king at that, and plus they already dominate the console market so what's next?😂

[@srikrishna2561]

​@@kirby21-xz4rxIGU ?

[@suhailch9962]

Thought it was already Friday 😮

[@Winnetou17]

It wasn't Qualcomm which lit up the efficiency fire under Intel's bu^^. Because you can't answer to something like that in a couple of months. It was Apple, 4 years ago when they launched M1 which lit up the efficiency fire. That's how long architecting, designing and manufacturing a chip takes. And it can take even more than 4 years. I'm baffled about this "launch". Apparently actual reviews come only on 24th of September ? This seems to have been only a pre-launch hands on. Now wainting for another 3 weeks will be a bit painful. But I am excited about Lunar Lake, I really hope Intel didn't screw this one. I was mostly alone in battling people which were touting "hurr ArM iS sO mUcH mOrE eFfIcIeNt tHaN x86. durrr die x86" and I tried to explain that Apple's M efficiency comes from more sources, not ARM alone. Two of the major ones was memory directly on chip and better manufacturing node. Now Intel did both with Lunar Lake. Once the drivers for Linux are matured, we'll be able to see a proper ARM vs x86 comparison that's more apples to apples (pun unintended).

[@BuggiEU]

Why would you expect full laptop reviews on the processor launch day?

[@Winnetou17]

@@BuggiEU Because that's normal ? I mean, normal it is for the reviews to come a bit before the launch. The launch means they are up for selling. Isn't it normal to have reviews so people know if it's worth buying ?

[@BuggiEU]

@@Winnetou17 CPU launch is not the same as a phone launch.

[@Winnetou17]

@@BuggiEU What have phones have to do with this ? Look at Zen 5. And all CPU launches before that.

[@sharoyveduchi]

Don't worry Winnetou17, I was with you. I will always be with you and the others who knew that the M1 chips were a mix of dirty tricks to get that efficiency. The biggest reason I always brought up was TSMC 5nm being compared to Intel 14nm. That's such a huge difference alone. Then of course there were also tricks like the RAM being part of the CPU die like with this new Intel chip and the SSD also being placed right next to the CPU.

[@cryptocsguy9282]

If all else fails I think the USA government (due to geopolitical issues with China) will try to find someway to save intel. Personally I see no reason why intel shouldn't expand to other areas of the tech industry outside of semiconductors.

[@RarelyCorrect]

The same USA will yap about the "free market" and cry about fairness when other countries give subsidies to some of their companies.

[@betag24cn]

yes, they should sell other poorly manufactured devices that overvolt themselves and also come all rusted what market should intel destroy next?

[@FreshSmog]

So Boeing and Intel. Who's next?

[@cryptocsguy9282]

@@RarelyCorrect Ikr when China does it it's a problem when USA does it , it's ok even though each is protecting their geopolitical interests

[@cryptocsguy9282]

@@betag24cn idk I think intel should try their hand at making consumer products like video games or maybe a games console , a lot of ppl don't like their GPUs so it they had exclusive games maybe ppl would accept it being weaker if the games are good kinda like the weak GPU in the nintendo switch or maybe they can make other types of software , just think outside the box and try to expand the same way microsoft , apple , google are always looking to expand into different parts of the tech industry instead of only making software or computers or a search engine

[@study-career9942]

No you can't just upload on Wednesday.

[@shApYT]

Thank you Apple for starting the competition. Also just because the ram is on package doesn't mean we cant have supplementary CAMM ram like different levels of cpu cache.

[@IN-hw8it6]

ARM obviously inferior. 🍀

[@fridaycaliforniaa236]

From what I've seen about Lunar Lake, it seems the CPUs won't be able to get more than the RAM they already have in their package. So if you bought a 16GB version, you won't be able to add a 16GB RAM stick on the motherboard, for example. 🤷‍♂

[@sergioyichiong7269]

Thank you Apple? Surface started ARM laptop in 2018 slow but first. Arm computer were meant to arise 20 years ago. Dont tell me that it wouldnt exist without Apple😅

[@themedleb]

Thanks to Qualcomm too (even though it seems late) and a bit of AMD.

[@rogehmarbi]

I'm quite excited honestly. Yes, we need to take first party demos with a mountain of himalayan salt, but even with the skepticism glasses on, this does look like quite a leap from what we have today. Especially in such a short time.. I'm still running an 8th gen Thinkpad, and I'm quite glad that my next upgrade is going to be a massive one..

[@samvarnell7405]

Great video ! Lunar Lake is a paper launch. Was supposed to be ready at the beginning of September, now its the end of September. It'll be interesting to see when these chips have volume.

[@kjellbeats]

very impressive, great to see that more competition is coming

[@mr_c.i.c]

This channel is equal to my calendar, I almost had a heart attack thinking it's already Friday.

[@jannikveh6654]

It was great meeting and talking to you guys at the event. Fantastic video as always!

[@TheFridayCheckout]

It was lovely to meet you Yannik, see you hopefully next time :)

[@vjay4297]

No.. Don't do it again.. How am i going to live next two days working.. you gave me hope that it's weekend..

[@interrobangings]

Neat seeing Micron chips on the package. Their relationship with Intel is super interesting.

[@bejayrai2170]

Intel catching up

[@captn_maverick]

Today was a good day but when I saw that this week it’s gonna be double issue from tech altar team, my week became so much better. I wish for more content. Have a great week .

[@test-ws7sg]

I really checked day on the status bar😂

[@CODM100x]

At the beginning I thought he was gonna say "welcome to the Friday checkout" 😂

[@iMaxPatten]

Wonder how many years before they can match a fanless iPad/MacBook Air class chip a la Apple M4. Qualcomm is barely competitive with M3 using fans.

[@zachb1706]

I wouldn’t blame Qualcomm that no OEM has made a fanless model.

[@ContraVsGigi]

If this will be as advertised (let's say, 90%), I am sorry to not have an old laptop that needs a replacement. That efficiency is a huge step forward without the inconveniences and incompatibilities of arm.

[@aliettienne2907]

The race to use less power and more efficiency is getting more competitive again. Intel is bringing the excitement back again with tighter competition. We're in for some treats. 😎💯💪🏾👍🏾

[@bp9696]

i had to double check the date when i saw this notification in my inbox

[@Kosme88]

The only way I would consider this over the Qualcom ARM chips if it isn't tied to an AI laptop. I don't want anything to do with Windows copilot.

[@lycanthoss]

Just install windows 10 or Linux then. Unlike Snapdragon, this chip won't have compatibility problems.

[@RobloxianX]

Seems like a good replacement for the i7-1370/i5-1360P chips, but the new H and HX chips better not be running on Raptor Lake

[@jankrnac3535]

My question is not overall effciency but efficiency at 1% of power. That is why ARM became so popular, no because of long last at power challenging tasks, but because you can have your device whole day and choose when you use it on something that take a more power of the battery instead of dry battery just by running.

[@shaurz]

Amazing what a bit more competition can do

[@interrobangings]

Also, if it's a Meatier Lake, is it chicken, pork, or beef?

[@interrobangings]

Please laugh.

[@auritro3903]

Also, is it Rare, Medium Rare, or Well done?

[@interrobangings]

@@auritro3903 If it's chicken I hope it's well done

[@iamfinkyuk]

Pretty awesome. Also, love the room you're shooting in! ❤

[@LatestMerch]

When you said "unburdened", my brain automatically played the Harris video, and your video played the exact same clip.....LOL

[@ugh.idontwanna]

Took a nap on a Wednesday, woke up to see a new Friday Checkout upload.

[@6XCcustom]

intel is not unchallenged it must feel quite humiliating that intel has to use TSMC and not its own FAB to reach results

[@matgaw123]

They have to do it to stay in the game Because their fabs don't have enough capacity or technology yet But I hope it will change

[@6XCcustom]

@@matgaw123 thank you for your answer, I also hope that Intel succeeds and is again at the top of development

[@ted_van_loon]

meteor lake december 2023 still less than a year ago, even though anyone listening to what intel and such where saying(indirectly) would have known to wait for lunarlake, as intel had put much higher bets on those and the meteor lake chips kind of where to get some infrasturcture ready on the market as well as potentially for some other chips more desktop oriented.

[@bandito241]

I’m saving this to my watch later playlist so I make sure to watch this video Friday

[@vaakdemandante8772]

Wednesday is a small Friday, so a shorter, more focused episode matches it quite well.

[@LifeGeneralist]

It now be a fight of Snapdragon Vs Intel for power/battery efficiency and thus the hours on a full charge

[@jameshenry6855]

What happened your other channel and wouldn't this video released be more appropriate on it?

[@MadafakinRio]

Damn, I was so hyped to get a Snapdragon Surface Pro one day, but now Intel has left me confused. I'm glad they got their shit together tho, at least a bit.

[@AgentZeroNine1]

I hope not too many people bought those Windows on ARM devices lol.

[@betag24cn]

no one apart from you is complaining about those, so, i wouldnt complain, there is more future in arm, not that much is x86, specially with a x86 clone of the apple arm soc

[@TheKdcool]

If snapdragons efficiency mainly came from the process node and x86 can use that node too, maybe arm has less benefit than we thought? Maybe Apple only uses arm because it doesn't have to pay x86 licenses?

[@Mark-kt5mh]

I returned my Samsung Galaxy Book Edge last week lol

[@sharoyveduchi]

@@betag24cn x86 is immortal. ARM is not. ARM is on borrowed time. The future is x86 on desktop and RISC-V everywhere else. The laptop space will be shared between RISC-V and x86. There is 44 years of tradition and legacy behind x86 that is very pro-consumer *and* pro-business. The concept of ATX motherboards for example is just foreign to ARM fanatics. The concept of a standard bootloader is also just lost on them. Go on the Arch Linux page for ARM builds and you have to select a specific build instead of just downloading the same ISO like everyone else. An i5-2500K based computer can run the same Arch meant for a Ryzen 9950X. Arch Linux however meant for a Raspberry Pi 4 is not going to run on a Snapdragon ARM chip.

[@TamasKiss-yk4st]

Well, it's just less and less reason for developers to switch to ARM.. do Windows on ARM should end up like Windows Phone.. the platform is deserted, because of the empty app store..

[@ayushya0512]

The Friday Checkout on a Wednesday

[@KenTanaka3]

Your wednesday video is like Christmas in July!

[@noble_lime]

X86 is just using arm structure for power efficiency, which is great (imagine if arm becomes more efficient)

[@noble_lime]

@ehtasam2080 I would be interested in chip making only if I complete this data science course

[@navneeth729]

Intel has turned up it's game ... I'm really excited for the competition that's coming from these laptop chip manufacturers

[@conradbo1]

Great and informative video. Thanks a lot.

[@rajK29_]

So that's how the studio looks during daylight. Love it ❤❤❤

[@lovro1423]

I kinda like the "day theme". The sun suites you 😊

[@geneshock4729]

Hell yeah, it's the weekend

[@AbhinavKulshreshtha]

You scared me. I actually thought today was Friday, I had a whole list of tasks pending on this weeks scrum sprint. I had heart attack just now. I called a teammate who then reminded me that there are still two days left...😅

[@SuperMachead1]

Looks like another nail in snapdragons coffin…AMD and intel are catching up…which will make people think twice about switching to ARM…no compatibility issues 🫤

[@Danominator]

Wait what day is it, my schedule is ruined!!!

[@lesath7883]

Interesting chip. But will it oxidize?

[@betag24cn]

😂 or overvolt, or tye glue will fail, the ram or chiplets will fall off

[@swagyolo8602]

lol cope

[@lesath7883]

@@swagyolo8602 > Points at a real problem. Some idiot: "cOPe"

[@ThorTheGiant]

Wait... It's not Friday?

[@ThisMarv]

Funny upload date, since for me it's like a friday, have tomorrow and friday off :)

[@yashpa]

what's mess with intel is many manufacturers use such chips only on 1000$+ laptops.. considering similar market.. one smart move providing these in budget segment would be hotcake..

[@NoobNoob1986]

At least you acknowledged the obvious as your notification triggered me. Also youre the only techtuber that has retained their notifications congratulations ❤

[@CouldBeElliot]

looks like we're in a new era of efficiency

[@Roxor128]

What would really improve the x86 space would be if Intel and AMD were forced to open up the architecture. At minimum, have a publicly-available specification for the architecture that anyone can read and implement free of charge, but which is maintained by Intel and AMD. Ideally, the x86 architecture would be turned over to a non-profit, like the Khronos Group, which maintains OpenGL and Vulkan. Of course, you can go and implement it yourself for free, so long as you stick to the parts from more than 20 years ago, which basically means the latest thing you can be compatible with and not have to pay any fees would be an Athlon 64.

[@bruceparker3139]

Meteor Lake will be succeeded by Arrow Lake which will also succeed 14gen core series for both Laptops and Desktops

[@coinopanimator]

So.... Will these chips self district like the last two gens?

[@shadowreider]

Great reference! Very funny

[@brechdt]

Hey, happy Wednesday

[@williamg.onyami2824]

I hope we still on for Friday!

[@ryx007]

Just bought a Vivobook S15 for work 1 day before the launch of the X Elite version. Made a conscious choice as to let the ARM based platforms mature. This is making me super fucking pissed at Intel FFS.

[@shamasis.bhattacharya]

Sh*t! Today’s not Friday?? Noticing this video in my subscriptions, I went about half my day thinking it was Friday. 😮

[@favourbede5889]

Please... Do a tech altar mini 😂😂😂. I just thought I travelled to the future

[@Tesnopesno]

so core m3 and m5 weren't the peak slim laptop processor after all :S

[@patatoothie]

Hopefully they don't break like 13. and 14. gen. 💀

[@low-key-gamer6117]

The fact that intel manage to hold on to monolithic architecture until meteor lake while AMD has been taking advantage of chiplets is crazy. Basically intel was heavy on optimizing the x86.

[@B.Ch3rry]

The only reason I’m rooting for ARM is in hopes we get native BootCamp (Windows) on Apple M-Series and or Hackintosh on non-M-Series.

[@markfish8539]

i swear i knew the kamala harris joke was coming .... the moment he said " unburdened"

[@Emptrix]

Did they mention anything about the Desktop Arrow-Lakes going to feature these efficiency updates as well? Their current 14th gen Desktop CPUs are extremely POWER HUNGRY/inefficient.

[@akin242002]

The good: Highly improved battery life, highly improved iGPU, and full X86 software compatibility. The bad: CPU performance is barely above Intel 13th gen P series CPUs.

[@farukzeqiri]

Damit, i just opened my wine bottle, thinking that the weekend started.

[@NedFOSS]

Its the wednesday checkin. I like this.

[@pcislocked]

5:29 ik obvious but probably hw decode is used too though

[@carlosjohn8242]

Why not posting this on TechAlter

[@tormaid42]

Hyper threading has the single best die area and power trade off vs performance ratio of any other architectural design technique. Getting rid of it seems like an admission of scheduling troubles with hybrid cores or a desperate bid for lower total power at the expense of efficiency.

[@lycanthoss]

Hyperthreading comes with a single thread performance cost. And it also reduces performance because of years of spectre/meltdown security patches. It is all a tradeoff.

[@tormaid42]

@@lycanthoss hardware mitigations to side channel attacks do not affect performance, software ones do. Presumably any new chip is designed to prevent all known side channel attacks in hardware so this is irrelevant. As for single thread performance, that would be especially worrying as single thread of these new chips isn’t especially impressive to begin with…

[@zachb1706]

Only if the program utilises all those threads, which they rarely do. And if they’re not being utilised, hyperthreading is simply a drain on power and a waste of space. Remember these will be going in thin and lights, where power and thermal legroom is very limited. Performance per watt matters more than peak performance. And no it’s not because Intel can’t work with HT anymore, from what we know Arrow Lake will still have hyperthreading.

[@DavidPrachtbrot]

What are OEMs?

[@buntyalex3629]

Why they have less no.of cores only 8?? my old i5 1240p laptop processor has 12 cores

[@asiano3385]

And what about native 32-bit support?

[@sotonin]

I think it will save them. Though i'm not sure it's needed it's a welcome development. I have the previous generation processors which don't have the flaws of their older chips and imo is really good already. The lower power / heat is certainly a step forward though!

[@lubosmato]

For a second I was thinking it's friday 😢

[@sloanNYC]

The problem isn't consumer sales, it's servers and data centers. Hopefully they can make a huge comeback there and keep the competition going. A healthy Intel, AMD, and Nvidia is great for us all. Meteor Lake was very interesting but didn't it have like a different fab for each tile and then Intel packaged it all? I am sure a lot of that tech will still be used for other designs moving forward...

[@jasonvors1922]

Nvidia needs to take an arrow to the knee.

[@zachb1706]

Intel is doing the same here, there’s a different fab for the controllers because they don’t scale well to smaller sizes

[@AbdulRahman-ghj567]

got the notification, panicked, contacted ISRO with additional verification with NASA, confirmed that the earth, the lunar, the mars everything is OK, no difference in timing, coming back to YT and started watching video... Keep calm, It's Lunar Lake checkout! 😮

[@batatvafrica]

Shocked, today is not Friday

[@fridaycaliforniaa236]

Me, a KSP addict : *Münar Lake*

[@undercoverduck]

I was genuinely confused and very foolishly hopeful for a hot minute

[@GuantaiN]

Seems like I may not have to deal with compatibility issues that come with Snapdragon... Exciting times!

[@shizukajones3307]

Can you suggest me should i buy AMD Ryzen 9 AI HX 370 or should I wait for inter lunar lake

[@idkfpv6435]

Is this a tech altar episode or is there nothing else going on this week beside intel