Intel's ANSWER to Threadripper .... Do they have one? | Xeon W9-3475x 36-Core CPU Review

Brand new HEDT CPU from Intel, the 36-Core Xeon 3475x. Is it better than AMD Threadripper and worth it for creators? Let's find out!
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0:00 Answer to Threadripper...
0:34 Sponsored Segment
0:57 Overclockable????
1:31 Which CPUs we're comparing?
2:41 CPU Cores & Clocks
3:37 PCIe Lanes & Bandwidth
4:49 4TB DDR5 RAM Support?!?!?!
5:17 Cache
5:34 Insane Power draw!
6:18 THE PRICE!
6:33 Motherboard for Testbench Setup
6:51 SPECIAL RAM
7:51 GPU for Test
8:01 SPECIAL Cooler!
8:40 SSDs
8:52 PSU for the test
9:18 IMC [Memory Controller]
11:02 POWER DRAW & Temps
12:40 Cinebench R23
13:09 3475x vs 13900k performance per watt!
13:28 Geekbench 5
13:53 ISSUES with CPU
15:42 Blender - Better than 13900k???
16:25 ISSUES 2.0 - Photoshop
17:27 Lightroom Classic
18:10 ISSUES 3.0 - BIOS & Fix
18:43 Premiere Pro & Lack of iGPU
19:40 ISSUES 4.0 After Effects
20:52 DaVinci Resolve + Fusion Issues...?
22:00 V-Ray
22:18 Overclocking - What's INTEL thinking???
23:42 CRAZY idle Power consumption
24:23 Conclusion: Why it's STILL Interesting!
24:53 Why I wouldn't use it?
25:10 Why you SHOULD use it!
25:50 Is INTEL desperate?
26:35 How to save $$ when building Creator PC?

[@jibreelhughes]

Would love to have this for rendering, but that price tag...💀💀

[@BBWahoo]

How can you say you love it when you won't pay the price of a small cottage?

[@zenithchan1646]

@@BBWahoo chill bruh

[@BBWahoo]

@@zenithchan1646 NVIDIA FINDS THIS SHOW OF POVERTY TO BE UNAMUSING!

[@KokoroKatsura]

A N I M E N I M E

[@Birdman._.]

but the name 💀

[@jimmying8172]

Been watching your videos a lot these days. I hope your channel grows and keep up with the good work👍

[@Chris-uh1qr]

Question did you install Windows 11 Pro for Workstations (6 cores plus)? Good to see someone on here reviewing workstation cpu's. I would use it to run my robotics vertulisations on it with 6 hypervisors all with 2 cores each and 16gb ram per vm.

[@Chalisque]

Years back I got a refurb Z800 with 48GB RAM (this was 2015). When running Linux on it, I had a background process that started on boot, which copied all the files in /usr and /lib into a ramdisk (one file in the ramdisk at a time) so that after about 30secs, every binary in the system was in cache.

[@dpscloud3324]

How did you achieve this? I'm curious of trying something similar.

[@hugevibez]

@@dpscloud3324 Should be fairly trivial through Cron

[@ABaumstumpf]

Oh yeah - did that way back on a P4-extreme with Win2k. Glorious days :)

[@dpscloud3324]

@@hugevibez :O didn't know about this thank you!

[@shanent5793]

That seems unnecessary, executable binaries are memory mapped and paged on demand. If you want to avoid disk access put the binaries in a defragged initrd

[@VioletGiraffe]

Good review. Could you please include a C++ code compilation benchmark? Doesn't matter which operating system or which compiler you use, I just want to see the relative difference between CPUs in this specific task. The LLVM project might be one good candidate that's a very large codebase but should be easy to set up.

[@nidalspam509]

This new series of xeon also includes the 2400 series which is a more cut down budget hedt with 64 pcie lanes instead of the 112 on the 3400 series. I'd be interested in seeing one of those maybe.

[@dex6316]

That’s a Threadripper competitor, not a Threadripper Pro competitor. And yes that’s probably a more relevant comparison.

[@0w784g]

@@dex6316 Has ECC, which Threadripper HEDT does not.

[@daniellundin8543]

Awesome video m8. Where can I find the Air cooled version of the video you mentioned?

[@gheffz]

Thank you, great information, well presented. Subscribed - All. (I would consider it... love multi-thread development. Even where this CPU was low on the comparison, it was still no slouch.)

[@withjoe1880]

As many others have stated, there is a separate version of Windows for workstation chips. Additionally, I would highly recommend also benchmarking these workstation CPUs on CAD, training neural networks, and other more demanding jobs to really utilize those higher core counts.

[@udirt]

Is there a direct upgrade path from Windows for workgroups to Windows for Workstations? 😅

[@choppergirl]

Windows NT 4.0 :-)

[@FlorinArjocu]

Would be interesting to see these running Linux or at least some other heavy duty/workstation/server OS. I don't think your regular Windows can squeeze all from these CPUs. And you also need to run what they are ment to run, virtualisation, science simulation, the apps that run on the accelerators etc. In general tasks that can take advantage of that hardware and all those threads. You would have huge surprises then when you compare these with the desktop CPUs.

[@GameplusFrameTestingUnleashed]

only The new king ( 14900k ) can take crown form 13900k .

[@DJaquithFL]

Interesting but workstation CPU like Xeon W9 is meant for things like fluid dynamics, and scientific applications and where its nearly 2X PCIe bandwidth is utilized. In my case I would use it for a small SQL testing and validation platform.

[@DJaquithFL]

.. Also, if you're running stock Windows Then Windows Defender is butchering your performance.

[@2intheampm512]

Agreed the main advantages of SPR WS is the PCIe bandwidth, memory bandwidth, and accelerators (particularly AMX)

[@simonallen6427]

have Enermax fixed the AOI cooler issues yet, because they clog up?

[@AnimeVeriyan]

bro 7800x3d or 7900x plz tell which one is best for me, or any suggestions - this cpu for only streaming gaming all for youtube and gameplay rendering in premiere pro photoshop thats all plz help

[@CinemaNinja]

It would be awesome to see a 4x gpu comparison for these same processors. There is really no reason to compare the workstation chip to the high end desktop chips without multiple gpus. After all the main advantage of the workstation is so you can run muliple gpus without bottlenecking the system.

[@CinemaNinja]

Perhaps when you get your hands on the top of the line new intel xenon you can make the same review with 4x gpus running on all the cpus you reviews in this video? That would be amazing and greatly appreciated!

[@BenEehayeh]

How does this Zeon compare to the Latte Panda Sigma in performance? Your testing should include Dave's Garage fastest language prime number generator and also Alexander Yee's Y-Cruncher. Y-Cruncher will give the Zeon and Ram a full workout.

[@RMalsawmtluanga]

Is this good to play pubg on steam and pubgm or bgmi via bluestacks? Would I have an advantage over the other current mainstream cpus with this one for gaming?

[@yu-i7476]

any hardware recommendation for Arcviz. or best specs for unreal engine 5.1 , revit, lumion, vray,

[@ingoos]

Just goes to show: vigorous competition quickly spurs rapid innovations which, ultimately, benefits everyone.

[@cloud1930]

Actually, if you have a very large dataset, like in physics, astronomy, or simulations, 4 TB of memory would let you put the entire dataset into memory and process the information without accessing storage which is slower than memory. This only occurs in large Main frames and Supercomputers.

[@g1981c]

Threadripper PRO is overclockable too but 1st gen Asus SAGE motherboard didn't support it. they released version 2 that does ...

[@yu-i7476]

thank you for the info can you plss add for the benchmark unreal engine, revit, any BIM software and lumion or software for architecture and engineering..

[@iancamarillo]

Why would you compare to gaming chips and not different rendering engines that could utilize it?

[@SapphireRapids_]

want to see how memory oc works on this platform... wonder if you can push it over 7200

[@daveg4417]

I just bought an Intel W7-2495X 24-Core system with ASUS W790 ACE, 512GB DDR5-4800, RTX-3090. My needs are for lots of fast RAM for the 3D software that I develop that supports up to 18 Exabytes of memory, and not so much for CPU performance. I chose the Intel W2400 over the Threadripper Pro mainly due to the DDR5 vs DDR4. I expect the parts to start showing up shortly. It will be nice to compare it to my existing systems.

[@nathanlowery1141]

Where did you find the r-dimms? New egg has next to no stock on anything above 125 gigs

[@daveg4417]

@@nathanlowery1141 - I bought the RDIMMs from my local computer store. They ordered them from their supplier. I now have all of the parts, I am just waiting on the processor and memory to come in next week, then I can assemble the system. Almost no one in Canada is stocking the bigger 32GB and 64GB DDR5 RDIMMs, and only a few companies in the USA are stocking them. Such as NewEgg USA and Server Supply USA. I see them listed at PC Canada and their USA sister company. The part number for the 64GB to search for is Kingston KSM48R40BD4TMM-64HMR I see a few results in Google for that. I guess most companies don't see a need for supporting people with large memory requirements at this time. Pretty much every build that you see these days is still a 32GB total consumer system, which is way too small for my requirements. And anyone using Threadripper/Pro is still using DDR4. 64GB and 128GB system memory are normal for my work computers. And consumer processors still max out at 128GB right now, even Intel 13th Gen and AMD 7000, which is silly.

[@daveg4417]

@@nathanlowery1141 - I am using 8x 64GB in my system for 512GB at this time. Once the 128GB and 256GB RDIMMs start to show up, then I will be upgrading the system to 2TB total memory.

[@nathanlowery1141]

@@daveg4417 the info is much appreciated!! Looking them up now. I hope your build comes out clean! I’m a bit of a weird one when it comes to computers. I use my system as a server/game box/media server all in one. I prefer to use large ramdisks to hold my blue ray rips before transcoding. (Don’t want that kind of wear on my nvme drives, they are consumer models) good luck 👍

[@daveg4417]

@@nathanlowery1141 - Thanks. I am still waiting for the processor and memory to show up next week, but I started fitting parts together already. I have had to pull two of the accessory plates out of the case (a cable cover and a side fan plate) to fit the larger ASUS W790 ACE motherboard and HX1200 power supply, but it should all fit well. I am using a larger Corsair 5000D case. The Corsair is large enough that the cable grommets are well in front of the larger motherboard which is awesome. I had to move the 3.5 inch drive caddy over as well to fit the larger Corsair HX1200 power supply. I also decided to change the drive layout and went with a 2TB NVMe and a 4TB NVMe instead of a 2TB NVMe and 4TB SATA SSD, so the disk performance should be better on my second drive (7300MB/s vs 560MB/s). I'm using air cooling and I bought the white cover for the Noctua Fan as well, to cover the silver tower. I will be making a few videos for my YT Channel showing the components and assembly.

[@hugevibez]

Wonder if the apparent slow release of these has something to do with the BIOS issues

[@IskanderVFX]

hey mate, are you planning to test 192 gb on 13900k? stability issues, AE performance etc?

[@alexanderm2702]

128 is the maximum ram it can use

[@tejiriamrasa3258]

@@alexanderm2702 nah, it supports 192 GB as well

[@electra6821]

I'm planning a build right now that will, I think, nearly double my render/animation speed. I just double the GPUs. With an RTX 4090 (MSI Suprim X Liquid, to save space), a case that can accommodate the extra coolers (Corsair 5000D Airflow), and a motherbord with at least two x16 PCIe slots at Gen. 5 (like the Asus Proart z790 Creator), my total build would cost about $4000. The addition of the second GPU to the rig is an extra $1750, bringing the total to around $5500 to $6000. However, the Xeon alone would be $4000, minus the $600 you would have spent on a i9 13900k, and all-together you'd pay something like $7500. Not such a great deal. At least not for a 3D artist.

[@sujeewarathnaweera]

huh? the say quote "Intel Xeon W processors are designed for a wide range of creative professionals"

[@marcofiedler914]

The test results are interesting and I can only agree with the previous speakers, if you had used a Windows Server operating system or a Linux / Unix-based operating system for testing, you would see completely different results. Please also consider that Intel server cpus have something that AMD does not currently have, namely that you can install 8 of these cpus on one mainboard because they are scalable (such as Supermicro mainboards). I would be very interested in what you get there for results. All in all a good video.

[@udirt]

Let Supermicro gather some experience with 8way SMP, these systems are a magnitude trickier than 2 or 4way... I'd go with Tier1 vendors or the ones coming from the mainframe end (Bull, Inspur)...

[@TheNerdArmory]

I just got a new 13900k for $450 and got curious about this and to see the 13900k for weird reasons pump the rest of the competition.... Makes me very happy lol.

[@TripleMachine]

What’s the codename of the Xeon W3400 series successor?

[@nerolowell2320]

how good are they for gaming?

[@Ureroll]

I would like to know how many hundred million polygons can those cpu chew in Zbrush. So hard to find data for that 3rd app. I have a 8700k and it is usable up to 5 mil poly and need an upgrade asap.

[@julianfiacconi709]

Amazing detailed and honest review of the new Intel Xeons re-entry into HEDT market. Thank you for the hard but fun work and sharing it with us. Cheers.

[@denvera1g1]

10:00 There will soon be 128/256GB kits for DDR5 desktop so you could in theory run 128GB at the maximum supported speed of the controller

[@Jack-qj2pr]

Threadripper Pro 5000 is overclockable. You just need the correct motherboard. ASUS released a WRX80 SAGE II and supports OC on 5000 series. Not sure if there's any difference on the board itself so maybe the BIOS for that board can be flashed onto the original version of the board?

[@CheapSushi]

Is it multiplier overclockable or BLCK overclockable? or both?

[@Jack-qj2pr]

@@CheapSushi I honestly couldn't say. I haven't looked too much into it. I just know AMD enabled overclocking for WRX80 with 5000 series processors. I just own the original WRX80 SAGE with a 3955WX, so no OC options for me.

[@garykoh5974]

What is the speed optimizer app you are using?

[@theTechNotice]

Intel XTU

[@graphiydesign]

Another great rendering CPU… thanks for sharing the info.

[@subzeroproduction7657]

Are RX7900 XT good for motion graphics?

[@fmh357]

You have all of the best toys. Thanks for sharing. I love your channel.

[@Skillividden]

I had the 1st generation Enermax TR4 water cooling system and I had to change it for Noctua fan as the build quality of Enermax was terrible. I hope the new version is better.

[@Fetrovsky]

"Glued toghether"... I LOVE it!!!

[@denvera1g1]

What i want is a 3474E Trade those 36 P cores, for 144E cores, slightly less than half the power draw, close to 30% more multi-core performance, if your software can take advantage of 144 threads that is. With my 7950x i need to use TDARR to run 4 instances of handbrake, i'd assume this would need to run 18 instances to get the best utilisation of all those threads.

[@evaldaszmitra7322]

I think in reality more common application of these cpus are in virtualization.

[@FransvandenBergeMuziekschuur]

You will have registered memory. A blessing to create a stabil system that tells you if something is wrong, WHAT went wrong. Question. There is a 8 core version and a 36 core version. Are there cores disabled on the low end W processors? Does the low end version (8 core) use much less energy? They are in the Mac Pro's right?

[@cds5067]

Yes the low core versions use less power.

[@MohammadAsif-mn5sv]

can i open google chrome on this without lag

[@stevesloan6775]

10 years ago I bought a full new custom workstation system. It was a dual 2.3ghz cpu. I used the BSEL mod to concer the 2.3 to 2.8 FSB(last front side bus CPU). Last of the first hardware over lock(1.5mmX1.5mm electrical tape). Game changer over clock in 2010. Intel die leaks were better for the World. On release of every intel xeon CPU, with the right 1600 fsb motherboard, you could trick the 2.3ghz cpu to be a 2.8ghz cpu, with a 2mmX2mm bit of electrical tape. Over coming over clocking locks in 2009 required hardware(2mmX2mm electrical tape). Doophes you should do an archaeological video on BSEL CPU modifications.💙🇦🇺🤜🏼🤛🏼😎☮️☮️☮️🍀

[@Mash907]

Where do you even BUY 4TB DDR5?

[@Squizz11222]

So it supports 4TB RAM. But there are 256GB sticks only and MOBO has 8 slots... so that's 2 TB now with maybe future 4TB if sticks grow up to 512 GB?

[@hasanraza4980]

I might need it for Web Browsing, so that I can get knowledge faster

[@rocker10039]

5 months later : crushing defeat 😭☠️

[@tinysolar9341]

I believe it is the case that more cores do no make more performance, and with Davinci the Threadripper 5965 and 5975 both out perform the 5995

[@antonisautos8704]

I believe there is a separate version of windows 10 that is specific for high core CPUs... I saw it once when going through the Microsoft store looking for their windows server 2019 ISO. Windows 11 might have something similar that will be able to better optimize for these super high core counts. It has to be software optimization because there should be no reason a brand new 36 core CPU is beat out by a consumer level product in multiform performance like a lot of these benchmarks showed.

[@maniswil2]

I remember the first Threadrippers Intel came out to call them glued-together cpus and now how the turn tables.

[@HDRPC]

I got 2927 standard and 2658 extended overall scores in 18.5 I have i5 12600k, 32gb ddr4 3200mhz cl16 ram and RTX 4080.

[@longaker]

Want to see the w3435x all-core overclocked to match 13900k, see what the C23 single core score shows.

[@kristinngudmundsson4409]

keep up the good work

[@erascarecrow2541]

I thought i was getting into something on new upcoming RAM modules starting at 4TB; not that it's a CPU that supports 4TB.

[@janispaegle8693]

So why can't we have desktop CPUs this size so we have easier cooling time??

[@droidbetter231]

Fun fact: Windows 11 home and education both support up to 128gb of ram. Windows 11 pro and education pro suppoert 2048gb. Windows 11 enterprise supports 6tb of ram.

[@AndreiVvedenskii]

Am, you shoud compare it with an EPIC? Not with a threadreaper

[@CheapSushi]

No, this is a workstation CPU, meant for workstation workloads, just like Threadripper. Hence "HEDT". EPYC is for servers, just like Xeon Scalable CPUs.

[@ErikS-]

"Ohh... Now I understand why my setup all of a sudden went down to #2 on GeekBench and Blender Benchmark !!" - I wish...

[@shanent5793]

They should let you overclock so that performance isn't constrained by the lowest common denominator motherboard and cooling. Overclocking isn't necessarily less stable, and on a platform like this, you'll actually have some warning about memory errors due to overtightened timings

[@TheWatchmaker]

The Enermax AIO cooler does an amazing job, yes, until the gunk inside ruins it, as you can see in the videos from Level1Techs, Gamers Nexus and so many others...

[@stanislavpetkov7408]

The performance issues you have is due to the way windows is working - dividing the cpu on groups by 64 threads. So if windows decides to run your application on first 64 you have fast performance, but if it decides to run it on the other 8 cores you get worst performance. Have in mind most apps are not designed to work with over 64 threads under windows….. for apps that are not designed for 64+ threads, to be sure it runs on first 64 you can use affinity from task manager.

[@4Nanook]

They allow you to overclock because their thermal management system makes it impossible to damage the chip by overheating. You can still overvolt it though but to do that on Asus motherboards you need to move a jumper. Because the nature of photolithography is such that refraction makes the chips near the edge of the wafer have features that are less sharp, those chips will perform less than those at the center where it is most focused. So a fixed CPU speed really wastes performance, depending upon which part of the wafer your chip came from your maximal clock speed might be a gigahertz different from another one.

[@HelamanGile]

I'll be happy when these CPUs have RAM on them your speed will rapidly increase and they'll be able to calculate world's faster

[@mon3333]

Try this!! Windows search-System config-Boot-Advanced-uncheck processor-save and restart, now to will have full cpu utilization!!!

[@stefannilsson2406]

I mean. I don't need a 36 core or 56 core xeon. But I sure as hell want one.

[@DyllonMcDonald68]

What about intels new server cpu it's way bigger, it's probably really expensive too, but could you imagine the possibilities.

[@Tigerex966]

I wish I could put it in the 2019 mac pro

[@LinuxGalore]

$6k for a high-end CPU with insane specs in 2023 is peanuts, in the 1990s I was buying DEC Alpha workstation CPU's with 1 or 2, 64 bit cores for customers for $28k (about $150k today with inflation)

[@zethloveless7238]

Yea my first pc in 1992 was over $4000, little over $8700 adjusted for inflation. No workstation just a Tandy 386 😁

[@HELLCAT.28]

5:17 Megabytes per second?🤔

[@VenturiLife]

Great. A CPU the size of a motherboard next.

[@CONTINUUM2]

In year 2050, with this specification on computer, we play Mario, watch videoclips, and listen radio and books. 4Tb ram minimum will acquire to start Windows 25.

[@Freshiz325]

I'm not an editor but we're both in the media space. My dilemma is I need PCIE lanes. I need a high end GPU and the options to have a 10(or 25)Gbe NIC, Raid controller, possibly an SDI card (Thunderbolt can cover this) or some combination of these and also Thunderbolt is mandatory. What is an affordable'ish CPU for this that doesn't bottleneck a 4080? Intel's 20 PCIE lanes on their 13gen are a joke and quite hampering.

[@Hansen999]

Have a look at AMD Epyc (server version of Threadripper) Much cheaper second hand, loads of DDR4 EEC Ram and same amount of PCIe lanes

[@Freshiz325]

@@Hansen999 can support thunderbolt?

[@Hansen999]

@@Freshiz325 Just add a Thunderbolt PCIe card and you are good to go - that's the beauty about having so many PCIe lanes

[@Freshiz325]

@@Hansen999 thanks a lot Hansen

[@CheapSushi]

100% agree. Buy a used AMD EPYC and a board with 6-7 pcie slots. Max out those slots and lanes. Zero issue.

[@abx42]

I thought that Threadripper was killed off? Or was that just for the consumer market....

[@valenrn8657]

Epyc branding competes against Xeons branding. Epyc Zen 4 F series high clock speed focus has effectively replaced AMD's Threadripper Pro.

[@CinemaNinja]

Thanks for the review! However you should really call the high core cpus workstation/server cpus rather then high end desktop cpus. The lower core cpus are high end desktop cpus.

[@BlueRice]

I agree to some extent. Although some a lot of core cpus is good for gaming as well. It's just that you can't squeeze as much fps for competition gaming. You have sever grade cpu to handle so much request and compute it with error correction. It's meant to stay on 24/7 without slowing down.

[@iamamish]

One friendly request - with these types of CPU comparisons, it'd also be cool to occasionally throw in a CPU from the previous generations. I imagine most viewers are like me, on AM4 platforms, or 11th/12th gen Intel. It'd be interesting to see what we're missing out on by not jumping to the latest platforms. I have a 5900x for example, how does that compare? You wouldn't need to include it too often, because if (let's say) the 13900x is 1.4x faster than the 5900x in some benchmark, and then later you compare another CPU to the 13900x, I can draw reasonable inferences about the relative perf differences between the new CPU, and the 5900x. To emphasize - this is a nitpick, I think the videos are very helpful as they are.

[@g1981c]

Zen 3 is not a process node - it's a core architecture ...

[@MaddJakd]

Thinkin' I'm gonna consider you the resource for "if you're glued to Adobe" guidance lol. I swear they ARE the mindset of "we are the industry. You'll wait for US, not the other way around!"

[@j340_official]

So given the high price tag, power requirements, dodgy Asus bios, and lower performance than the 13900k in many tasks, who is this cpu for? Is it if you have many pci devices or can utilize the accelerators ? Why should a creator spend $$ on sapphire rapids?

[@j340_official]

@@ehtasam717 but they can use epyc Genoa for that at lower power use and more cores so what’s the point of sapphire rapids.

[@CheapSushi]

Anyone that makes money off workstation based content, such as 3D modeling, simulations, Unreal Engine game & content production, CGI video work. The issue is not every program WILL utilize 10000 cores. Some use less cores regardless of availability but will absolutely benefit for higher IPC for higher single core clocks & performance. Plus, you get more PCIe lanes with this, so it allows you to use multiple GPUs and many many many many different PCIe cards to maximize all 6-7 slots on ATX/EATX and larger motherboards. The 13900k does NOT have that many lanes and PCIe switches are pretty much dead on the consumer space. Also, the way memory channels are handled are different. This makes a huge difference when loading and unloading complex and large models. The 13900K is for hobbyists. This is for workstation prosumers/companies. The server chips are for different workloads where single core IPC does not matter much. They divide up the cores regardless since most are for VMs/containerization for web services. You buy this when focusing on making things on the foreground. Not leaving things in the background. Money is an issue of course and that changes things for people. But if you're making money off your creations, then time is money. No Genoa CPU can outperform an HEDT based workstation-style CPU in pure IPC per core. There's a fundamental difference in how and what people are doing the the CPUs & platforms.

[@j340_official]

@@CheapSushi I know there are workstations/HEDT and consumer/client markets. But should workstation users get sapphire rapids (which had several stepping revisions before it finally came to market) or wait for emerald rapids or granite rapids or simply get Genoa?

[@ProVishGaming]

Why don’t you Overclock and undervolt? Intel CPUs are usually way too overvolted most of the time. The cpu does not need 1.18v for 3.5 GHz. I guarantee you it can run that frequency at .9v.

[@studioopinions5870]

As I'm watching this, I am reminded that these kinds of Chips are meant for internet Servers, and perhaps a workstation. But If I remember correctly, I discovered that these super chips are not meant for Windows OS or Mac OS, But was meant for Linux OS. You should use that OS and redo this video again, I think it will show a whale of a lot of differences in work flow. Thanks, Terry

[@CheapSushi]

They are meant for Windows. Windows has an OS for Workstations and an OS for Servers too. Internet Servers are not using this CPU. This is made for modeling, rendering & content production. Not cloud service providers. It's absolutely meant for a dedicated workstation.

[@dankodnevic3222]

If you are familiar with C and compilers (to turn on optimizations), I can give you some C code for real number crunching.

[@CVLova]

i dont really think 406w is that much. ive pulled 390w on a 12900k with only p cores lol

[@tadaschitakemori]

Great video! 1 comment that do not make sense if you used high end platforms before. High end never have integrated graphics and probably never gonna have…. One of the reasons that thoses mb come with a lot of expansion slots to add in anything at full speed since you have a lot of pci lanes

[@AlfaPro1337]

No, a lot of things can fail, rendering all of the PCIE slots inoperable. Happened to me on a consumer board almost reaching 3 years of age, none of my PCIE slots work--even the x1 slots, instead, it boot loops with black screen. Only after I removed all cards, I'm able to boot into Windows, and not have an expensive paper weight.

[@julianfiacconi709]

If you’ve lost all your Pcie slots, then it’s time to throw in the towel and get a new board. Cause you ain’t gonna get much work done, and those pcie slots ain’t coming back.

[@nadtz]

There are some Xeons with IGPU; Intel Xeon E3-12x5 or 12x6 models, Intel Xeon E-21xxG models and Intel Xeon W-1200 models. The 2100's were not generally available when they were new iirc though so actually available were the other 2.

[@tadaschitakemori]

@@AlfaPro1337 i have a pc that have 6 years running 24/7 and all pcie slot work

[@tadaschitakemori]

@@nadtz Sure, my nas have a xeon w-1250 that have a igpu in it. But this is not a high end cpu for sure heavy workload. High end platforms like this saphire rapid come to replace Chipsets like x99 , x299 Cpus i9 7980x 18 cores, 10980x ….. those have lots of pcie lanes and high clocks to make guys like tech notice have amazing performance at the same time reliable….. what can be say the same with the stuff that he is being reviewing at the past 4 years. Intel gaming platforms are simply not memory stable at xmp if not made top tier like 13900ks with apex z790 or z790 dark. Amd literally 🤯. Saphire rapid born dead on arrival, but the next HEDT from intel will be great again Just like raptor lake is being for intel on gaming sector

[@HShango]

4tb ddr5 ram (is heaven on earth in the tech world, a little bit op too).

[@Teluric2]

I ve seen a Dell workstation with 6 TB ram installed.

[@alittlebitgone]

I literally cannot imagine a worse way to show onscreen results than this, wow.

[@endintiers]

4TB lets you run a number of trained GPT Instances - that's what the memory is for.

[@TalmidAndy]

The CPU cost more than my entire workstation with 2x 18 core Xeon E5s, 256GB, 12TB, and 3060super.

[@joshuathomasbird]

i feel like video editing isn't the use case for a cpu like this; more like the running loads of vms, kubernetes, stick 4 A6000 cards and run ai training on it kinda stuff.

[@CheapSushi]

It's definitely for 3D modeling, simulations, CAD work, and 4K/8K video CGI work. There are many many many many many other server, not HEDT, cpus available. VMs and Kubernetes does not need at all this much IPC. Look at SuperMicro, Tyan and ASUS for their GPGPU servers and see the difference in what they're using for 4 or more GPUs. Hint, this ain't it. This is absolutely made for workstations.

[@ErikS-]

This video also shows how insanely good the 13900 is...

[@NarekAvetisyan]

i still prefer the 5995WX. Intel looks like it has a lot of problems. And soon 128 Core Threadripper will be out, so Intel will go night, night.

[@Teluric2]

What problems have intel? At least no intel chip has been fried .

[@eleventy-seven]

@@Teluric2 Asus EXPO ram overclocking voltage was to high. Bios Fixed

[@HDRPC]

Sir can you confirm which davinchi resolve studio version you are using?

[@theTechNotice]

18.0.4

[@HDRPC]

@@theTechNotice ok sir. 18.5 is out and i got 2927 standard and 2658 extended overall scores in 18.5 I have i5 12600k, 32gb ddr4 3200mhz cl16 ram and RTX 4080.

[@microsuxx]

cool ..

[@thewelder3538]

There's no real point in talking about PCI gen4/5 bandwidth because there's nothing that can properly saturate a Gen4 interface with the exception of like REALLY high-end cards that mount 8+ NVMe drives. Gen5 is a nice to have but not really necessary at this point.

[@aerocap]

Now be prepared with what the 7000 series Threadrippers will do!