Intel's Been Cooking - Lunar Lake Showcase

Thanks to Intel for sponsoring this video on what they had to show off with their latest Intel Tech Tour in Taiwan! #IntelAmbassador #LunarLake

[@Theausomecaleb]

Im hoping Intel keeps on pushing forward. We really need more competition in gpus.

[@elivegba8186]

They shot themselves in the foot when they refused to innovate till apple and AMD came with full force to push them out of the way

[@abdulhkeem.alhadhrami]

​@@elivegba8186Yep, that's what happens when a company thinks they are untouchable!

[@MrPtheMan]

​@dezman2003 that is such a biased opinion. Literally if it wasn't for intel, hyperthreading wouldn't be a thing which Zen enjoys as SMT. Without AMD we will still be x86 32 bit, like Ram under 4GB. Whoever becomes dominant is because they innovated. Example Nvidia, no matter how much people love AMD. They are not on the same league, not in cuda, not in hardware. So whoever raises the bar high, they earned it.

[@MrPtheMan]

​​​Intel got hit by a truck bc they were milking too much on the 2010s without innovating or having a backup plan incase the competition was fierce. After that stagnation come another stagnation because Intel was stubborn in not acquiring EUV tools for their 10nm process. That joke of Intel being on 14nm+++++++++++ was part of it. When their 10nm was failing they should had cut their losses and jumped to EUV lithography. But didn't. Pat Gelsinger set very ambitious goals and is Intel keeping up with it. Think about it. - With new Intel, no more house heaters joke. They are improving so much that the days of 300 watts + i9 or ultra 9 are gone. -The GPU division in terms reliability and software, has matured so fast, that people eventually will trust them. -And their foundry business is very on track. Intel is being serious so people shouldn't disregard them. So like if someone is an Intel or a AMD fanboy. Consider that Intel was behind AMD in some regards and now they are close to parity. So who ever pushes, innovates more will make better products.

[@thepunish3r735]

@@dezman2003 they have spent well over 100 billion dollars this year … pretty sure they get the ok to be dominate from me … ceo was fired for not pushing things forward .,but Pat g has been on it… 5 nodes in two years was the goal and everything is on track .,wait until end of next year.. sh1t is game changing .. and yes I do work for Intel

[@spoots1234]

Lunar Lake is the most ARM-Like x86 SoC. It'll be interesting to see this compared to X-Elite, because the ARM vs x86 conversation has been wildly skewed due to one chip being designed for efficiency and the other designed for modularity.

[@Oven_Steaks]

This is why competition is good.

[@ItsDeeno69]

12:30 that's literally more than 15x efficient

[@iikatinggangsengii2471]

thats good news, but its more like 15x waiting time

[@JustXavier]

I need comparisons against the snapdragon X chipset.

[@JeckNoTree]

Snapdragon X Elite (45-80W max turbo allcore 12 cores [2X10L] 3.8 GHz[TSMC4 node]) Intel Lunarlake (8-24W max turbo allcore 8[+2EL] cores [4P-4E[2EL]] 4.2 GHz [TSMC3 node on core]) both types of chips have NPUs for AI. benefit Intel = already all desktopapps easy to run x86 64bit no emulation. benefit Arm = extremely Cheap to buy as vendor. both fixed socket BGA (ball grid array) for soldering. Arrowlake will be intels next Desktop PC cpu SKU on their newest node at that time.

[@JustXavier]

@@JeckNoTree appreciate that information, and appreciate you taking the time to give it. I’m looking for a bit more of a comparison. For example, we know, arm has better battery life by far. And we know that ARM Copilot features aren’t the same as the Intel and AMD copilot features, at least as of now. We also know that Intel plans are coming up with their own features that might not be supported by snapdragon.

[@JeckNoTree]

@@JustXavier Nice to hear that the information was helpful, true, Intel and Arm are different (Architecturewise low instruction and high instruction sets). Either you can use Arm Programms or Intel/AMD Programs (X86), I for my part use x86 Programs more often so Snapdragon wont be a thing for me (emulation just isnt efficient for me when I can run my programs natively in x86.)

[@thepunish3r735]

@@JeckNoTree same here brotha

[@JeckNoTree]

@@thepunish3r735 nice

Will those still work with RAM on motherboard or are we constrained to the the SoC memory here?

[@JeckNoTree]

Thats a good question, I guess not if they want to have and keep the lowest latency and powerconsumption, if mixing and matching the Ram on chip with outer RAM the paths are longer and therefor it might use more power and would become less efficient, which would lower the reason to use Ram on chip. its more of a ultrabook situation, Gaming laptop and PCs might use Camm2. Yet in my opinion a good usecase for lightweight laptops and all day batterylive with better performance than before.

[@elivegba8186]

​@@JeckNoTreeyep

[@smoothbraindetainer]

Can't mix technologies, so no. Laptop CPUs are becoming much more architecturally similar to mobile SOCs.

[@lycanthoss]

I believe they said Lunar Lake is for thin and light laptops while other CPUs will go into the heavy performance side and those will have upgradeable RAM. With this generation, Intel is really trying to win against Apple in efficiency, so they are using all the things they can to gain an advantage, which sadly does include on-package RAM.

[@nadtz]

The whole idea behind LPCAMM2 is so laptop memory won't have to be soldered on in ultralights, how many laptop manufacturers will adopt it is another question.

[@Speak_Out_and_Remove_All_Doubt]

I hope you aren't embarrassed when this gets tested by anyone other than Intel! 😂

[@xlr555usa]

Thanks for the video, this is the best Lunar Lake analysis Ive come across so far.

[@Toufan1-gr4br]

hoping these new cpus and gpus brings more competition 🙏

[@kgonepostl]

I only want to see engineers showing off these products. Hits hard every time.

[@a4gr]

Any news on extreme desktop CPUs?

[@hereb4theend]

I was just about to buy a Meteor Lake laptop. But guess that's already obsolete. If Lunar Lake can be out by Christmas, I'll be a happy camper.

[@prct1234]

Should i wait for these chips to release or buy a meteor lake laptop right now? Is it worth it waiting a few months for this to release?

[@bankaimaster999]

best you go to AMD or Snapdragon route if you truly want improvements ... but if you must stick with intel and don't require a dedicated GPU then I guess Lunar lake is for you.

[@Goatcookie]

If I were you, I would wait, since there gonna be coming out soon anyway and me and you know there's gonna be a lot of performance increase

[@TheDuzx]

That really depends on you. Do you need a PC now or are you comfortable and would just like an upgrade. Do you need a PC over summer or are you so busy that you're probably not going to have time to use it. Do you want a good deal or do you want to buy the new stuff at a premium.

[@TheDuzx]

It feels like the competition is heating up. Qualcomm, Intel, and AMD all seem confident in their product. When it comes to edge compute AI I think the first generation is going to be underwhealming so I actually think it's best to hold off for the next generation.

[@benjaminpedi2302]

AI in general will be underwhelming.

[@magfal]

I really hope tiered memory becomes a thing in X86 systems. Fast 64GB on substrate system memory and 256GB extended memory on a CAMM interface would be awesome.

[@UpgradeLemonade]

Why is the F1 game footage so choppy tho, def not 60fps? That said im excited for this Lunar lake release

[@SaviorAnonymity]

If you look at the presenter, you should be able to see the footage was slow motion

[@UpgradeLemonade]

​@@SaviorAnonymity oh! Wow my bad 😅 well that gives me better hope thanks

[@bigdog8302]

I seen that battlemage supports VVC (H.266) video decode. Damn. I was hoping it would support encoding as well.

[@LeicaM11]

Standard since many generations H.264 and H.265. Does not need any GPU, HW encoding/decoding is much faster

[@snmdair]

Brett, did you count how many times they said AI during the presentation?

[@nanoflower1]

That's Steve's (GN) job. Brett isn't going to take the man's job.

[@jenslindgren832]

Sierra forest and lunar lake are the first real steps in the tourn around. Granite rapids, arrow lake, panther are the next. Ramping 2025.

[@4ujase]

I'm not convince Windows scheduler would work seamlessly with P - E cores, it'll be the same with Lunar Lake, more stutter when Windows get confused.

[@henrythegreatamerican8136]

Tomorrow will be his "sponsored by AMD" video for us to enjoy.

[@kotztotz3530]

I assumed it would have been releasing Q4 of this year. I'm guessing Q3 means September?

[@smoothbraindetainer]

Likely August/early September to get in the school rush

[@BeyondEllisBeck]

They should've used HBM memory. That would've been revolutionary.

[@lharsay]

It's too expensive due to the high demand from the ai sector.

[@joshuascholar3220]

This was in Taiwan. Does that mean that it's made on TSMC instead intel fabs?

[@alldecentnamestaken]

Seems like a very efficient chip. I’d love to see this in a 16” thin and light with a big battery for true “all day” battery life. With the improved efficiency and lower thermal load one could theoretically feed more power to a discrete GPU within a given thermal budget.

[@chriskaradimos9394]

intel doing some great things , cant wait to see arrow lake.

[@Supernova094]

I'm looking forward to more information on desktop arrow lake processors

[@ezg8448]

I'd trust everything with a grain of salt until I see some true review units. But I'm glad Intel has truely did some real innovative changes to their chips, it's been too damn long!

[@WarAlex16]

Intel new CEO has made changes and willing to use a rival’s manufacturing to prepare their own chips. I wonder what will Intel do after 2028? ARM or RISC-V???

[@fragalot]

I'm confused about NPUs.. why are they treating it separately from GPUs when it was GPUs that ran AI in the first place?

[@kayakMike1000]

GPU are optimized to do graphics, but can do neural compute workloads reasonably better than CPU. NPU is optimized for neural compute workloads. Its all the Von Neumann bottleneck, compute is fast, but getting the data into the cores so it can be crunched is hard.

[@michaelmcconnell7302]

gpu's can do ai compute, but in the same way a cpu can do 3d graphics. its a matter of efficiency.

[@JeckNoTree]

NPUs are a different in a way more (parralell in math) GPUs when doing the same "AI training" (generating text, or pictures etc.) = NPU uses less power for (AI training etc.) but cant do graphics.

[@curties]

same reason GPUs came to be as early PCs only had CPUs doing all the tasks which made them super inefficient. Also you can sell one more product (if you have enough capacity to do so lol) as high end GPUs are needed in other industries that dont have anything to do with AI and its becoming a problem that AI companies are gobbling them up.

[@akin242002]

Specialized focus. A small business owner may be able to do all the work with a small volume of clients, but as clients grow it is best to hire some other workers to delegate certain tasks away. Same principal applies here. The NPU is there to handle all the AI stuff instead of letting the GPU handle the GPU and AI stuff.

[@anantmalik]

So basically Lunar Lake has been built from the silicon level for gaming ... ❤🎉😊

[@bylok92]

are npu cores and all these ai tops are complety useless for avarage joe that uses pc for yt, memes, casual games on medium specs ?

[@dorkasaurus_rex]

Probably not but the best way to utilize them will have yet to be discovered

[@lycanthoss]

Yes. There are no meaningful apps that use the NPU, at least for the average Joe. This might change in the future, but I suspect that your standard apps and web pages will stay the same.

[@hereb4theend]

Do you want an AI girlfriend or not?

[@rluker5344]

Nice to hear a lot about Lunar Lake without all of the bitter partisanship and opinions. New tech is interesting on its own. And Lunar Lake should be great for those looking for a fast, efficient mobile device that isn't a workstation or gaming rig. I like how the Xe2 has had improvements in gaming performance, but also brings a lot to AI and display capabilities for those who won't be using their LL laptop for gaming. Like business users.

[@JohnWilliams-gy5yc]

Noticing a nice lion king card t-shirt. Quad-core Lion Cove had better be very fast because Zen 5 got 12 cores.

[@henrythegreatamerican8136]

Honestly, I'm not an INTEL or AMD fanboy. Whichever company gives me the best price this holiday season will have me as a customer. I'm looking to upgrade from my AMD 3600 and have about $1200 to spend. Right now doesn't seem like a good time to buy even if there are a few deals. I'm waiting for the big one I think is coming this holiday.

[@nick-dogg]

I’m excited for the future. It’s time we get smaller and more power efficient hardware.

[@ChuckTheChosen]

AMD's laptop section is cooked af!!

[@lharsay]

How exactly? They are showing off a 12core 24thread CPU against Intel's 4+4core 8 thread product.

[@ChuckTheChosen]

@@lharsay AMD is bad for ultra thin. And their graphics going to be terrible, they aren't switching even to rdna4 yet.

[@lharsay]

@@ChuckTheChosen How are their graphics bad? The Arc A770 16GB and the RX7600XT 16GB are both using the same TSMC 6nm silicon, the Radeon card beats the A770 with literally half the die size and lower power draw.

[@ChuckTheChosen]

@@lharsay RDNA3.5 goes toe to toe against Alchemist in handhelds right now, except of some driver problems with the latter one. In their next SoC you will still get RDNA3.5 while Intel is putting there Battlemage that is at least 50% more power efficient.

[@theonerm2]

Intel's Goose is cooked.

[@Nesta_tamo_napisano]

Go team Blue!!! I am excited to see MSI Creator lineups with these beasty hearts!😊

[@kayakMike1000]

Team blue can take a long walk off a short pier.

[@manusiaorang2842]

oh nevermind this is not gpu i was not focused lmao

[@zachhoy]

I like how excited you are but... Lunar Lake doesn't excite me very much have to say.

[@xlr555usa]

Battlemage 2024 or 2025? Everybody wants some, many dont know yet.

[@b.c.2177]

We'll see in real life how performant this processor is. The GPU and NPU capabilities are clear, but regarding the CPU, I have doubts that it will outperform my 12th Gen Intel Core i7-1270P, which has 8 Efficient cores and 4 Performance cores. The power efficiency is good, but it's not the main point for me. I almost never use my laptop on battery power. What disappoints me is that Lunar Lake reportedly supports only up to 32GB of RAM.

[@Tsunamisurfer29]

What’s the release date on that? What happened to arrow lake? What’s the hype 2-3 years out?

[@Clawthorne]

I'm still concerned about the "ram on chip" situation. There hasn't been a single discussion about that, and intel is keeping suspiciously silent about it. That would lock you into the same kind of situation Apple did their customers, where you *need* to pick a ram amount on purchase that you think will be sufficient forever. Because upgrading is impossible. I thought the whole point of CAMM being invented was to enable faster and more power efficient ram, while still enabling you to upgrade it after the fact...

[@lycanthoss]

The reason for the on-die memory is because it is still superior to LPCAMM2. Being closer to the CPU is always better and you can't do closer than the die itself. Anyway, Intel said replaceable memory isn't going away, at least on bigger laptops (though it is still up to the manufacturer what memory). Lunar Lake is going into thin & light laptops, which likely would have had soldered down memory anyway.

[@Diamond_Hanz]

buy the dip... intel is coming back! + 20 percent profit margin once intel foundry is up and running

[@thepunish3r735]

lol dnt be trying to increase the price , I been loading up since it tanked to 24 😂

[@PartyofNone]

intel please keep trying with these gpus. ill buy them once amd finally stagnates.

[@TheEricDangerous]

offering non-upgradeable machines limited by design, 16GB on chip memory - 8GB for the GPU was daring in 2024. it was so easy with the density to offer 24 and 40GB of on-board memory. 100% Intel, that we can't stand anymore, small and petty

[@sinafirooz]

I want the tshirt.

[@Speak_Out_and_Remove_All_Doubt]

Did anyone ask why, if Lunar Lake is coming before Arrow Lake then why does Arrow Lake not have XE2 as well? It would be a great addition for AI and low intensity gaming for today that don't want to buy ridiculously overpriced graphics cards these days.

[@dankmemes3153]

Arrow Lake is desktop. You usually use a dGPU with it. it doesn't matter too much.

[@Speak_Out_and_Remove_All_Doubt]

@@dankmemes3153 it's not as essential I agree but if it's ready then it would have been nice to have, AI handling is much better on XE2, plus some people need a powerful CPU but don't really need a dGPU (or can't afford one) so a good iGPU can be the difference in choosing which CPU to get.

[@Integroabysal]

Can they stop ? can they freaking stop making us pay for their AI development ? Nvidia is doing this shit since RTX 2000 series , now intel and amd joins the chat ......

[@sweatbot5000]

What happened to Kyle? Forgive me, I'm late af lol

[@terrymcdonald7610]

Kyle still with them he's just doing different stuff for Brett

[@user-yi2mo9km2s]

Still 10nm++++++++++++ ?

[@lharsay]

Intel bought TSMC 3nm for this one.

[@SirusStarTV]

@@lharsay the outdated N3B process?

[@lharsay]

@@SirusStarTV Still better than the 4nm Zen5 will be using.

[@ps3301]

Latest Intel CPU doesn't have thunderbolt 5?no thanks

[@bankaimaster999]

Is no one talking about intel comparing their skymont E-Cores to Meteor Lake's LOW POWER E-CORES and not their regular E-Cores???? Isn't the LP E-Cores obviously going to be less performant than the regular E-cores???

[@nateshomepage3481]

Don’t think this is a sellout as gamers nexus said many of the same ajesent things about this architecture are on the arc cards

[@leosi5888]

60% from like 350w is still a lot 😂

[@RickJ.C.C]

Damn these bots are fast

[@infinitedragonsunlocked]

I mean.... They are bots

[@BossAtwork69]

Intel and AMD is holding onto X86 thus making Apps and Game developers to work on two completely different architectures at the same time. It means more buggy software, unoptimized games releases atleast for the next 3-4 years

[@itsmilan4069]

2024 is going great with all the competitions from Qualcomm to Intel but sad to see AMD just updating their zen 4 line-up with moderate adjustment and calling it a day

[@axl1002]

If this beats AMD's APU's in gaming Lisa must think of retirement.

[@Manicmick3069]

Maybe you should restore first😅😅😅😅

[@axl1002]

@@Manicmick3069 How did your fart smell🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@gibsonrsa123]

How is your son doing?

[@jebaited2300]

Intel got pooped on by Snapdragon X Elite.

[@SirusStarTV]

And here i'm from a comment that says "With lunarlake coming in september this x elite chips are dead on arrival."

[@sovietunion9131]

Quit the opposite

[@demarco777]

Unfortunately viewers can't fully trust everything here as it's a fully funded Intel video. Fact is, if you bash them too much, you probably won't be getting any ticket to Taipei next year, and you have to thank them somehow for the trip. I hope there are more neutral independent KZbinrs out there.

[@ps3301]

Intel is on their last leg. They are desperate to claw back their last remaining market. They are on the way to irrelevance. Fact 1: laptop market will be moving toward arm. Nvidia and mediatek will make arm based soc. Amd is doing the same. Qualcomm will capture a chunk of this arm laptop market. Fact 2: datacenter will move to ai inference model and traditional 86 servers will be replaced gradually as webserver stack will move toward arm. The only market left will be enterprise desktop server which will make x86 products very unprofitable eventually. The more ai datacenter they build, the more arm will dominate to cut power consumption. Fact 3. Intel cant even compete in GPU or npu because their laptop chip will include these elements. The only potential upside for Intel is to compete on foundry but their cost is much higher than their competition. As chip designers always want the cheapest provider, I don't see how american foundry can cut cost..

[@deekithgames9975]

Should be called "Lava lake" lol

[@saltinats]

Hello everybody

[@xenoxtrollik4150]

Intel and amd swirching places Intel will be gpu company And amd cpu 😂

[@NF276_]

Bread

[@VolcanicChimp16qh1vz]

Bread

[@infinitedragonsunlocked]

Cake

[@zHazedz-r6h]

Sammich.

[@JustXavier]

I’m here for this take! First even. 😂❤😂

[@DerekDickerson]

I herd blah blah blah what is the wattage of the processor ...x86 is dead

[@steampunkstar_raisin]

Rabies in the sapphire...#rabiesinthesapphire

[@zeroturn7091]

Tbh all of this E-Core nonsense belongs in laptops. They’d be better off using Xeon platforms with their lanes neutered on desktops.

[@greycover3972]

So this is now just a infomercial channel now.... So sad..

[@Kmcornell23]

Don't believe this crap. All of these numbers are basically lies. They come up with these efficiency gains by comparing them to previous CPUs that you wouldn't normally compare them to. It's like saying that a Ryzen 7900x is twice as powerful as a Ryzen 3800x. Well of course it'll be way more powerful. Intel's fancy new E cores are compared to the low end versions of the last gen E cores. It's a bunch of marketing crap. I'm sure they'll be decent CPUs but they won't be as good as they are advertising. Regardless, AMD will be on top this generation and that's where your money should go.

[@Jadepeanut]

I really think AMD is lagging behind innovation. Both qualcomm and intel is showing exciting stuff while AMD is just a iterative upgrade .

[@ksr2070]

True

[@thepunish3r735]

I work for Intel , and clearly u believe nothing has changed .. just wait until this time next year

[@NameUserOf]

He didnt say that nothing has changed but that comoarrision slides are marketting gimmick and they wouldn't be as impressive if compared to the corresponded CPUs instead of cherry picking to make newproduct much netter than it is.

[@aashaykadu6549]

I don't think so ..wait till the reviews come.

[@DrStoooopid]

Isn’t it funny that we’re back to 4x8 with Intel?

[@user-yi2mo9km2s]

NO MORE stupid E-cores!

[@amichaishiffer5082]

The chip was designed in Israel.

[@Kmcornell23]

Ridiculously inflated numbers aside, they're still going to lose to AMD. F1 2024 is NOT a demanding title to run, especially at 1080p. Not to mention that they had to use upscaling just to run 60fps which means it's probably only running 30-40 fps natively.... at 1080p.... Garbage....

[@Jadepeanut]

We will have to wait for release to compare. Intel does have a more efficient 3nm tsmc compared to 4nm tsmc on amd

[@kazeexplorationstt9645]

intel sellout?

[@Hojogamer]

Dude he isn’t selling out. He was paid go to the intel event. But he generally loves tech and improvements in tech. He will more than likely go to an AMD event and people will say he’s a sell out. Can people please stop being jealous?

[@kayakMike1000]

Yeah. Seems like a sponsored video.

[@Hojogamer]

@@kayakMike1000 it’s definitely sponsored but most of his videos are. He genuinely likes tech improvements. So why the hate?

[@superdave4564]

They paid for the trip. I’d make a video too if they paid for mine.

[@thepunish3r735]

Durr , amd is the best man durr , u can’t be going to Intel bruh , everyone’s is going to like them more in 2 years and I can’t take it. Bruh … did I personate you pretty good ? I think so