Intel Saved Their Most Expensive Mistake...

Intel Arc Graphics Card performance and stability in 2024 continues to increase and have come in the news time and time again because of it. Even if you wouldn't consider Intel Arc Graphics over an AMD or Nvidia GPU, you should be thankful they exist in a market with so few viable companies. Lets discuss the story, the importance of Intel Arc and see how GPU performance has changed over time!
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💎 Arc A770 16GB - newegg.io/nc644e2d2a
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💎 Arc A580 - newegg.io/ncd1ad6c1a
💎 Arc A380 - newegg.io/nc61a41f43
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👉👉👉👉👉👉👉 CHAPTERS 👈👈👈👈👈👈👈
0:00 A 100 Billion Dollar GPU Downfall... But There's Hope.
1:48 The Only Company That Could Help
3:28 The Initial Performance and Reception
5:05 The Most Important Things to Know
7:58 A Rough Start for the "Chosen One"
9:50 Launch Performance vs NOW Performance
10:50 Side by Side Comparisons Arc A770 & A580 eSports Gaming
14:09 Where Does That Leave Arc Now in 2024?

[@TechLens]

Watch This Next! The Future is pretty fked kzbin.info/www/bejne/mJSQnYedd515nJo Check out the Arc cards I used: As a retail affiliate, I am paid a percentage of qualifying purchases at the expense of the retailer. 💎 Arc A770 16GB - newegg.io/nc644e2d2a 💎 Arc A750 - newegg.io/ncccf517f6 💎 Arc A580 - newegg.io/ncd1ad6c1a 💎 Arc A380 - newegg.io/nc61a41f4

[@derodge]

I have been saying this for the past three years. We have no choice!! Nvidia no longer cares about the gaming market . We only have AMD and Intel. So, intel need to put more emphasis on their Gaming Graphics. There is no way either AMD or Intel will catch Nvidia in AI. So, the Gaming market that Nvidia left in the trash, is there for the taking. Someone needs to step and take it.

[@Greenalex89]

Nvidia wont drop the GPU market cause their philisophy is to be the best in every sector. Its just that their GPUs value will be faitly low despite the high price and they are trying to compensate it with questionable features. They are cutting performace again with the 50 series cause they dont care, but they will still b manufactoring GPUs for the private market.

[@tony_T_]

@@Greenalex89 They only care to stay in the GPU market because leaving it entirely would create exactly an opportunity for Intel and AMD to grow... which they don't want.

[@stefanbucur6472]

Intel has already caught up in the AI segment with their Gaudi 3 chips. They're also significantly cheaper than H100s and H200s.

[@gscheben123]

Yeah... no way amd will ever catch nvidia. Just like amd will never catch intel.

[@arenzricodexd4409]

it is not that nvidia did not care about gaming market but gamer did not want to pay high price for it. they did not want to accept the reality that things are getting expensive to make GPU. they want their GPU to be cheap just like how it was a decade ago when wafer cost alone have increased more than 4 times for the same die size. intel already said before they are not making profit with Arc even when they still sell the card at it's original MSRP. this gen AMD did not even dare to use 5nm on their low end.

[@jhowle9475]

I adopted ARC upon launch and the journey has been interesting and fun despite the challenges. I knew there were going to be some rough patches so i stuck specifically with DX12 titles and used Intel report a problem link whenever i encountered issues. Intel gave me a number of occasions to work one on one with engineers and even do some live screenshares so they could observe my experiences live. All in all, i am EXTREMELY happy with the the A770's that we have here and look forward to battlemage when it launches. Ultimately what attracts me to these products is that being a 32+ year custom PC builder, it is so refreshing to have a genuinely new and refreshing product to work with versus the very old and stale Radeon and GeForce branding. No to mention that the price creep from those 2 brands is just beyond the pale of comprehension which is majority based in shareholder greed. From here and based on what i have experience so far with ARC, i see no personal reason to by another Radeon or GeForce product again for the foreseeable future. I personally just can't justify their ridiculous prices for an occasional pastime.

[@cuteAvancer]

If they make a white battlemage that rivals a 4070 Ti/4080, I might actually explode 💀. I was super impressed by Intel"s (modern) first try, but I got a Nitro+ 6600XT barely used for 140 bucks lol. I'm going to either to snag one when they drop or get a 7900 GRE for 1440p. Nvidia makes nice cards and all, but they charge more and more every generation and gut the specs in favor of the only peformance being from software (which costs them nothing extra to make.) They've been neutering the vram, bit buses, speeds, so on while charging basically double of AMD at times. And I don't like the look of most of their cards lmfao

[@paulboyce8537]

@@cuteAvancer A770 already is better experience at 4k than 4070ti that can't.

[@levelup89204]

I'm rooting for Intel

[@alexandrustefanmiron7723]

I already bought 6 cards: 2x sparkle a310 eco(1slot Av encoder), 2x 380, 2x 770. I did my part!

[@csh9853]

i have bought 2, the a380 and a750 and getting ready to buy an a580 soon.

[@TheXerninja]

I got an arc card when I built my computer earlier this year. The only issues I've had frame drops in would be when messing with shader settings in Minecraft Java, and spamming particles in Dungeon Defenders 9(Though it was still playable). Overall I like my purchase of my A770 and would be inclined to recommend it to other people who need a new graphics card.

[@stuartthurstan]

Intel Arc is very important to the future of mainstream PC gaming. Nvidia have shown that they are no longer interested in the low and mid range, only the $1000 and up cards. In fact they're not even particularly interested in GPUs at all at the moment because of AI. AMD are incapable of competing at the high end so have a virtual monopoly in the sub $500 market. Steam hardware surveys seem to suggest that for the vast majority of gamers, sub $400 is the sweet spot so if Intel can be truly competitive here they could get a reasonable slice of that market. Looking forward to Battlemage but even more so Celestial & Druid. 🤞🏻

[@vvhitevvizard_]

I'd like to see Intel become the third big player in the GPU market.

[@CNC295]

I love my A750. The issue I ran into was a pixelazation of planet atmospheric effects in orbit for one games that I play called star trek online. That issue appears to have been resolved. That same issue was also present in no man's sky and it too appears to have been resolved

[@eliteslayer2011]

I use a sparkle a770 for vr and I gotta say I really enjoy the performance. Seeing that I play vrchat that 16gb of vram comes in handy big time

[@YAAMW]

Arc had many advantages like AV1 encoding support in programs like Handbrake right out of the gate. AV1 is an absolute gamechanger. Nvidia only added support for it in May 2024 despite the 40 series having at least one AV1 encoder. Since their release in 2022, they've only enabled AV1 support for OBS.

[@pyrielrising4338]

I bought the A770 at launch knowing that the drivers would not be optimal for at least a year after release. I have been building pc's for a very long time (35 years plus) and so I have seen the early days of all the gpu makers and Intel started out like AMD and NVIDIA with teething issues, no difference, but they kept at it and now the card is starting to see the kind of performance that everyone has come to expect from Intel. Today's PC builders are a lot different from when I began, back then computing was a hobbyist culture were things didn't just work out of the box, it took time and a ton of effort to get a computer running, those days are long gone which in a way is real shame.😊

[@Hardwaregeekx]

I do not miss those days when it took hours if not days of troubleshooting to figure out which part is faulty. It was nice to be able to get a replacement part from the store right away however.

[@pyrielrising4338]

@@Hardwaregeekx Then you must remember the feeling you got when after all the troubleshooting you finally find a solution to the problem. Plug and Play took all of that away as well as the skill set necessary to find the solution in the first place.

[@Hardwaregeekx]

@@pyrielrising4338 The only thing I miss is choices. There used to be so many more choices. Even if I never intend to use a Cyrix cpu or an S3 video card, it was nice to know there were options out there. And it is sad that Abit is gone.

[@roasthunter]

I don’t miss the days where hours could be lost trying to get sound cards, peripherals to work, things are much better now

[@Hardwaregeekx]

@@roasthunter No more Sound Blaster, no more Aureal. Its all just Realtek integrated now. It is kind of nice not having to worry about it. But it is scary how the industry consolidated.

[@thisguybrett]

If intell has it dialed in by the time I build my next PC or need a upgrade I will be converting

[@HankBaxter]

As an AMD guy, I've been praying for Intel to succeed, and as an XTX owner, have been hoping to be able to switch to Battlemage if performance is comparable. Because ultimately, I'm competition first and foremost.

[@johnnytex1040]

I actually bought an A770 LE; had it since launch month or so. The improvements have been very welcome, and it's not so far away from being in an ideal situation imho. Once the DX11/DX12 rework is rolled out as it was hinted to in Gamers Nexus' 2024 revisit, I have a feeling the A770 will be one of the best modern fine wine GPUs out there.

[@Zxanonblade]

I have the Asrock A770 you were showing in the video and it's been great in the last 6 months I've had it. One of the main reasons I bought it was for video editing/recording and it's very good at this. It also does well in games at 1440p. I'd actually call the drivers pretty optimized now because I mostly play niche jrpgs but haven't had any driver issues with them (for example, Scarlet Nexus and Persona 4 Golden work great, and those games, especially Scarlet Nexus, aren't anywhere near mainstream titles). I know I'll be recommending Arc gpus to others.

[@Greenalex89]

When I had a 6700XT I prefered XESS for upscaling instead of FSR. Now, on a 7900XTX, I dont use upscalers, but if I needed a a card in that price segment, Intel Arc would be a serious competitor, especially for rendering and in terms of raw hardware/potential. Im mostly impressed of how far they got in such a short time with they driver support and Im still curious how the battlemage wil perform and for what price.

[@registeredblindgamer4350]

I would love to continue messing with my A770, but when I got my 7900XT I upgraded my PSU and it no longer has a 6 pin sadly. ARC is defintely good for budget gamers and even streamers. Intel had AV1 support before AMD and Nvidia. Strangely Nvidia was the last to implement it into OBS and even more strange they have the most stability issues and bugs with AV1. Both Intel and AMD seem to have solid implementations there from some of my own testing.

[@MadmanLink]

I have the A770 and it has only gotten better with time. I really only play World of Warships, but I had issues in the start. Now it is solid. I had figured it wouldn't take Intel long to work things out. I'm looking forward to the next level of Intel gpu's!

[@redsymphony7119]

Just upgraded to an Acer BiFrost Arc A770 16GB from my Vega 64 3 days ago. I was honestly worried that I was making a terrible mistake, but it's currently £230 at Currys which is an amazing deal for a GPU with 16GB of VRAM. Obviously haven't spent much time with it, but so far I'm very, very pleased with it. I'm addicted to the Resident Evil 4 remake and it runs like a dream on it. You can crank the textures all the way up which makes the game use almost 15GB of VRAM and there's no issue. I have had stutter in Overwatch 2 after switching to it. It's not common and doesn't last long; it's probably around 4 seconds every 3 matches or so. I play it casually and not that often so it's not something I mind too much, but that'd be a deal breaker for a lot of people. I think esports titles should be the #1 priority honestly, as those titles are always popular and the players tend to be the most vocal about performance issues. I'm just happy the card is far more stable than I thought it'd be. No random BSODs or black screens and great performance in the titles I've played. I would have felt sad going for the RX 7600 or RTX 4060 over this as those cards simply have much less "GPU" for your buck if you know what I mean. The A770 having 16GB of VRAM on a 256 bit bus and plenty of cores for ray tracing and AI upscaling just make it feel so premium despite it being so cheap. It should age beautifully.

[@redsymphony7119]

I just think it manages to put AMD in a very rough spot at least. Yes, the RX 7600 is faster at 1080p in the vast majority of games without ray tracing. As soon as you start going above 1080p and enabling ray tracing, the A770 shows how much more well-rounded of a GPU it is. XeSS needs more adoption, but it certainly looks cleaner than FSR does in the games I've used it in. Intel have made managed to hit a sweet spot between the features Nvidia offers and delivering raw performance. AMD selling the 7600 for £30-£40 less than the 4060 with no real match for the fancy features it offers doesn't feel compelling. Intel doesn't need to be selling a GPU with 16GB of VRAM and a 256 bit bus for around £250 given the features it has, but it sure feels like AMD does.

[@MikeBob2023]

*Thank you!* 🙏🏼 🤗 I own the VERY A770 you had in front of you during the video (I'm a dyed in the wool *ASRock* fanboi and _I don't care who knows it!_ 😊), but I have yet to install it because I'm working on 4 different builds simultaneously (all with ASRock 600 series motherboards 😁) and my focus has been on speccing them all out, grabbing the individual components whenever they go on sale, and then paying my credit card balance back down (so I can grab more Stuff™ 😆). Soon (hopefully during July) I'll be completing this first (A770) build (the case I'm using for it should be arriving next week, along with an AIO and some extra case fans), but in the meantime I'll be lying in wait for the *Prime Day* sales so I can snatch up an (ASRock) AMD GPU (probably a 7800XT or 7900GRE) for one of the other builds - but I *WILL* be snatching up Intel's _very first_ Xe2 (a.k.a. Battlemage 🧙🏼‍♂) offering when they drop later this year. If it all possible (and I'm sure it will be), it's going to be an _ASRock_ product. I like your style and manner of presentation, and I _really_ appreciate that you've been doing this series of videos. 👍🏼 Please keep up the great work! Stay safe & be well. 🖖🏼

[@TechLens]

Thanks Mike! Honestly, it's always really nice to see a comment from you down here 😊 Thanks for being awesome and stay safe too dude!

[@vyrgozunqk]

To be honest, i'm very happy with my A750 ORC OC. I play Battlefield 2043 @ 1440/ medium to high @60-80 fps CS2 is now also stable @1440 @120 fps medium/high Games like Age of Empires 4 and etc. run just amazing. So i'am happy as a user. Especially for the price of 220 euro I got it for. In lots of games it goes above RX7600 which costs 310+ euros On TimeSpy (3D Mark) I get 12000+ points. The GPU is powerful, the drivers are hit and miss, but generally they release updates once or twice per month with fairly nice improvements. So, nothing to complain about.

[@Ornal64]

Pulled a trigger on used Arc a770 Acer Bifrost and so far so good.

[@jaakanshorter]

I got an A750 in March ( $200 new ) to do my first PC build in over 10 years. I run Linux and mainly Blender. The only issues I had was when Blender updates needed an updated driver, I reported it to Intel and they got a new driver out in a few days sometimes in hours. It was a huge step up from a Dell desktop + GTX 1650. I don't do much gaming on it just 0AD , Warzone 2100, and openttd. Most gaming I do is on PlayStation.

[@csh9853]

im running an a380 currently and have had zero problems. i play mostly single player offline games.

[@anarchitect1470]

I have been using a750 for about 6 months. If it helps people, I paired it with a 12600kf processor. In these 6 months; I played black&desert online, path of exile, dota 2, pubg, gta san andreas, hitman 2, frostpunk, albion online and ghost of tsushima games completely without any problems and with ultra settings.

[@andrewjamesbarton07]

i was an team green 100% before the intel Arc but i am now a team Blue and looking forward to the new releases .. my hope for intel is to release a card that knocks on the door of Nvidia and Radeon and forces them to stop hicking the prices so that they become more competitive , as people what and need graphics card but can't afford 2 - 3k for a card .. i will be buying the next team blue

[@trackingdifbeatsaber8203]

I was tempted to go for a750 although the cost went up in my area around the time the rx 7600 came out Making it worse in terms of price to performance. My cousins GPU died so he has my rx 7600 which was my guest PC card, currently have no GPU in that PC still tempted to pick one up. Edit the a750 is now really cheap less than a 3050 6gb or rx 6600

[@Timberjac]

I bought my Arc A750 for 170€ and put it on my remodeled computer 9 months ago. I bought it just to test how Intel worked with a view to perhaps buying or at least having among the alternatives to their Battlemage... ironically it works so well, that I don't know if I'll buy a Battlemage or wait for a Celestial. So it was already working very well, because Intel's work was extensive, but I have to admit that in these 9 months, it has also been intensive, and the card performs better with each update. Its big problem is that games mostly do not use XeSS technology as it happens with Dlss and FSR (although this one is honestly worse, than XeSS at least, it is an alternative when it is not implemented). So although XeSS is a better solution than FSR to act as Super Scaling for any graphics card, let alone XMX mode for graphics with XeSS hardware, the reality is that Intel's real limit is still in the game developers who implement it. Perhaps with the Windows 24H2 version, this will change as games call up the windows libraries and they use the most successful solution, but for now, the introduction of XeSS is the most serious issue that Intel has to tackle. Not only for the sake of the Arc, but also for their future Battlemage.

[@YAAMW]

The Arc control windows was unresponsive for months until I found a post on reddit that indetified the issue to be with ASUS AI noise cancellation technology. I disabled those audio devices, and everything worked normally.

[@leximarie2182]

I bought a Sparkle A770 Titan about 2 months ago and have been running it on Linux. It's performing fine with one issue that may likely turn it into a deal breaker for gaming. There has been mixed reviews from people saying the HDMI ports suffer from random small blackouts but it seemingly did not affect the DP's. This card has this issue on every single port, HDMI or DP. Playing a game where death or quick reaction time matters, a random blackout for up to 3 seconds is enough to ruin everything for you. The blackouts are not extremely common, but they do occur a handful of times a day. This is not safe to game on for me personally.

[@g4s3y77]

I’m thinking of buying one for my new pc build gaming at 1440p but I’m hesitating on this arc770 gpu or with the rtx 4070 super can someone help me decide please thanks or should i keep my 1080ti and wait for improvements on the arc770

[@Miley_00]

I would totally wait bro!! i have the A770 it will be a nice upgrade but the 5xxx series will come out soon and battlemage will be like 6 months i bet.... I wait for Nvidia I have not been back since my 980ti and i really miss Nvidia after the AMD 5700xt and A770

[@doplank4421]

I'm watching this video with Arc A380 LP

[@trent3792]

I bought an a750 and though I had some issues with it I had a good experience with it and would recommend either the 580 750 or 770 to anybody trying to build a new PC on a budget it's not really worth spending 800 buck on an invidia card when cheaper options perform better

[@mraltoid19]

This was a good video, thank you. I've been considering an ARC A580 to swap out my RX-6600, and give my RX-6600 to our daughter. She's running a Radeon 5700, and her room gets HOT. I run the 6600 and it's cool. My CPU is a 5600X, daughter is running a 5600. I could get an A580 and give my 6600 to my daughter, the 5700 can then be sold I guess.

[@lunarvvolf9606]

Former user of Nvidia, I couldn't stand the sentiments of the company siding with cash spoofers known as crypto bros and crypto miners and using their ponzi schemes to benchmark and price their products. AMD merely followed suit catering to that bozo industry while giving everyone the same shortage lie when they been shipping out massive quantities to those scummy digital finance con artists. Intel was my only option to tell the industry I had enough of the shell games regarding a nebulous fiscal scheme that they created. One only needs to look at all the companies that supported monetarily to the Ethereum project. I rest my case on that front but it was all a ploy to become richer off the sale of pick axes and shovels than the actual gold in the rush. I wasn't asking for best performance just an adequate replacement for an aging EVGA 1080TI so far the A750 fits the bill in most respects. Only major issue was an annoying black screen issue where I had to reset the CMOS to get a display again and then re-enable BAR for full function of the PC. Ever since their April 2023 driver release I been getting great gaming experiences in the games I play and zero black screening. Intel is doing right by me and looking forward to their next gen.

[@magnusnilsson9792]

I got my A750 May-23 and all mayor issues were essentielly gone, sure I can't get the extra boost from 200 to 300FPS in 1080p in all games, but I can go to 1440p and keep the same FPS in those games. With new drivers it's only getting better, gaining 10% FPS in a couple of games every month. I got the LE version and it's silent as a mouse, but it does draw some power, especially when overclocked to compete with the 7600 & 4060. Raytracing & upscaling it's rivaling Nvidia, the A750 actually beats the 4060 in 1440p in some titles, probably due to it's 256-bit bus.

[@kcwilsonii]

Arrow lake plus battlemage should be a great combination.

[@daviddesrosiers1946]

They better pull a rabbit out of the hat with Battlemage, and their next gen CPUs. Given how issue plagued 13th and 14th gen i9s have been.

[@paulboyce8537]

A770 got relevant 2023 January driver updates. A770 is a bit odd card where at 1080p you could say it is behind the competition but we are talking high FPS and in reality it really makes very little difference (pont 1). 1440p the drop is lot less than competition pulling level if not ahead on FPS count at compared cards. At 4k it is well ahead where it shines as the entry level card with 16gb VRAM and 256 bit bus. I use mine with 4k and works well at mid and high settings and also can handle RT most of the time. Peter let the cat out of the bag and most missed it. ARC paired with INTEL CPU gives a better performance. ARC is almost doubling it performance with INTEL CPU via REBAR/E cores but you do not see this performance on FPS count (point 2). This is why the experience often is lot better than competition with double the FPS count. None of the sponsored channels are willing to say this. GN sort of did letting Peter demonstrate how the ARC works. The speed of rendering where ARC shines as productivity card gives you a good hint where the performance actually is. Hence INTEL offering a tool for pairing. Also need to point out INTEL XeSS XMX is different to XeSS DP4A. Often missed or mixed in purpose to give worse results. Overclocks really easy for good performance boost. 2786MHz at 1.16V at 271W. Base is 2100MHz (2400MHz) 225W. Point 1: Some games are FPS capped so for example at 1080p if the game is capped at 200 FPS you often get around 100 FPS with ARC. Peter pointed the pairing with CPU and here you double the performance. Would show 100 FPS but no waiting. In reality 100 FPS performance equal the 200 FPS performance from the competition. 1440p the cap allows ARC to perform better numbers. 4k you see even less drop to the competition. I believe this is mostly about the capped games and higher the resolution less restriction there is for the ARC. Point 2: This means every FPS counts and no stutter. 100 FPS is 100 FPS not like 200 FPS from the competition where the extra 100 FPS is targeted to fill the badly timed and missed FPS with long waiting times. It often means that good 100 FPS is better than 200 FPS that are imperfect. For last I would like to point out Intel® Application Optimization (APO). This is upcoming performance that will further boost the ARC and INTEL CPU pairing by 10-50% depending of the application and game. It will be relevant for the Alchemist but more for Battlemage and standard with Celestial. So A770 is just going to get better and better with time.

[@Miley_00]

I got the A770 Titan for 280$ and i really think the NO STUTTER part is 100% true I get a little lower FPS than my 6700xt but there is clost to 0 Stutter at 1440p! I also agree it will get better with age like cheese!

[@paulboyce8537]

@@Miley_00 6700xt 10gb VRAM 160 bit bus 220W loses on specs fair bit. 1440p it might not make a huge difference yet but it couldn't do 4k. On ARC I find as soon as you are over 40 FPS most is very playable. Same you can't say about the competition.

[@jasonlopez9243]

I got a770 sparkle over clocked it to 2640mhz I well over 60fps onforza motorsport1440p and 4k 60fps or more

[@tony_T_]

My guess is that corporate greed bit their backs because the higher-ups didn't let the developers and engineers do what had to be done. You just can't afford to make this kind of mistake when entering a market that's been controlled by two companies for decades. Seeing just how well their cards perform now, they had a ton of potential to be major competitors, but that all went down the drain with a hundred billion dollars and one train-wreck of a launch.

[@ShinyHelmet]

For me the only downside to ARC now is the power consumption compared to performance. If Battlemage can deliver more fps and much better efficiency, then I'll view it as a viable alternative option.

[@curious5887]

well, Intel is betting on efficiency for their Battlemage gpus, so don't need to worry

[@arenzricodexd4409]

for battlemage to be more power efficient intel need to use 5nm at the very least. and that will make those BM expensive. gamer then will complain about those expensive price.

[@curious5887]

@@arenzricodexd4409 I mean, they do use TSMC 6nm node for the Alchemist first gen Arc GPUs, so of course they're gonna use the 5nm N4 node for the Battlemage second gen Arc GPUs

[@arenzricodexd4409]

@@curious5887 and that will make those battlemage expensive. if intel still need to sell BM at cost or even below it then BM will be their last discrete GPU.

[@jaenaldjavier188]

if things keep going sour with china and imports become more expensive, maybe not next gen, but the gen after, intel GPUs may look like a pretty peach as the costs start to stack up

[@bes12000]

All intel had to do was add a chip on the GPU that could convert DX9/10/11/12 games to vulkan ..all done.

[@Sp3cialk304]

We do need someone to compete and help Nvidia pushing real.time rendering forward. Nvidia have def been leading the way in pushing whats possible. Physics based real time lighting. Upscaling to greatly improve performance budget that developers have to work with, and fix the image quality problems caused by taa and fxaa. The performance budget increase is bigger than when we went from msaa to taa, mire than mesh shaders added, more than screen space effects added, more than mip maps added. Streamline SDK to make adding new features simple and quick for devs. RTX HDR to improve hdr in pc games. RTX IO to improve asset streaming and loading times. Upcoming tech neural compression to improve texture quality while reducing texture size (allows for less bandwidth to be used on textures). RTX Remix to give modders tools to update older games. People like to claim Nvidia gave up on gaming. But the truth is they are making more money than ever from the gaming market. They are the company not skipping out on the high end. The only company adding new tools and tech to increase fidelity and reduce dev times. Intel is doing a decent job trying to make low end/mid range cards with modern features. Nintendo is using nvida and will have its feature set on the next Switch. Sony is adding an NPU and using a bespoke upscaler for the ps5 pro. It's not Nvidia that gave up on gaming. It's not their fault that others refuse to try to compete. Its companys saying we will match them in a single metric, be 2 generations behind in everything else and sell our cards for 10 percent less.

[@dubiousorbs603]

think dx12/vulkan optimisation are more on developers side; not much on hardware vendors; unlike older dx versions

[@arenzricodexd4409]

developer have some control but it is not much. in the end full GPU optimization still reliant on GPU vendor. it is not the same as console low level optimization.

[@dubiousorbs603]

check reviews from few years back intel gpus were barely able to get 40fps at cp2077 it was able to reach 60fps after the xess update

[@Korack]

I think the intel is doing a great job with the gpus, even with the problems it has they are working to fix it insted of trying to hide, they are supporting the community and the community is supporting then back, and even if people are wary of the ark, battlemage seems promising they will most likely come without the incompatibility problem that ark has while having a pretty robust hardware (something that is starting to be neglected by nvidia)

[@matgaw123]

I like my arc a770 16gb

[@PhoticSneezeOne]

A former anti consumer monopolist like intel is now our only hope in the GPU market. Things went downhill hard in the past few years.

[@Sheerwinter]

Intel cards are beautiful. But the power consumption while gaming on arc a580 and a750 is super horrible.

[@MadmanLink]

The A770 isn't much better. lol

[@easydayez]

I do not have issues and I mod Skyrim GTA etc I also emulate games

[@misterPAINMAKER]

I hope more gamers will buy Intel gpus.

[@DonaldHendleyBklynvexRecords]

We downplay AMDs hold on the APU based gaming market with these talks, just like Intel and AMD is behind in the dedicated GPU market It also doesn't seem like Intel and Nvidia won't catch up with APUs which is all narrowing Intel's reach

[@Marvin-ex1dn]

doesn't that means intel cards gonna be more expensive

[@BestoFornitero]

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[@kristenxmarie00]

bitcoin does not pay any yield but will reward you with growth that you can't find in any other asset class

[@NianLisa]

look at the charts, bitcoin has outperformed every stock and banking product ever developed even after multiple pullbacks over the last decade. not a financial advisor but I know what i'm saying

[@DannielleRosales]

The key is diversification. Personally, I delegate my investing to an advisor, cos my job doesn't permit the time to perform market analysis myself. Thankfully, my once ago stagnant portfolio has now 5X in barely 4 years, summing up almost 7 figure as of today.

[@MavenSly-hv4yk]

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[@anggaerlangga-uo6wl]

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[@LordShockwave9]

As an AMD convert from Intel, honestly, we need them. Nvidia, in their dominance, has treated gamers, their core audience that is responsible for their dominance, like absolute trash.

[@CyberClu]

Totally surreal to see Intel, who used to be totally anti-consumer with their CPU's for nearly a decade, (with only 4 cores and hardly any significant performance improvements), until AMD Ryzen launched, be touted as the pro-consumer alternative for graphics cards now. But if Battlemage comes out strong for the mainstream, with price to performance, I'll be trying out team Blue.

[@RobBCactive]

Hey, they were anti-consumer before that, even bribing execs of OEMs to not sell AMD Athlon which had an edge on Intel's Pentium. There's a reason AMD didn't make profits despite successful chips which killed Intel proprietory 64bit Itanic.

[@slimjimjimslim5923]

@@RobBCactive none of these companies are consumer friendly. They only become more tolerable when they loose market share and trying to win us back. I have no allegiance to any of them.

[@arenzricodexd4409]

@@RobBCactive AMD did not make profit nearly a decade because of their ATI acquisition. intel did not play fair during pentium 4 era but their core architecture was very competitive with AMD Phenoms. AMD still get decent profit with Phenom and Phenom 2 but the issue is AMD spend a lot of money when they acquire ATI for themselves. if AMD try to be more clever in this part they will not starved on money to compete with the rising intel back then.

[@RobBCactive]

@@arenzricodexd4409 actually Intel acted illegally in seriously criminal ways and there were many legal cases brought worldwide against them. That included actual bribery. Starving companies of profits means they become under-resourced. Intel attempted to fix the "error" on x86 licensing, not only welching on legal contracts to monopolise the PC CPU mary, but later tried again at 64bit. For those who saw the fishy goings on and wondered, then saw Intel's monetezation of the near monopoly, seeing Intel portrayed as competition champions is not credible. Intel AXG was the strategy to defend the lucrative near monopoly in data center and as integration continues undermine Nvidia's gfx biz in client computing. Just as Nvidia were frozen out of the chipset biz. No way Intel planned to lose a lot of money on Alchemist and the lack of follow up to a late to market card since 2022 is part of that.

[@kkrolik2106]

a770 is obsolete for gaming due RX 6700XT exist

[@MrFreeman1981]

the market crash isnt the GPU, it is the high power hungry and dying CPUs lol

[@RobBCactive]

Bluntly Intel AXG lied about the launch, they missed the market in Q1/2022 then priced A750 against Nvidia's 3060 not the 6600xt. The reality is they didn't take market share from Nvidia, Intel were forced to drop prices and competed with AMD RDNA2 cards who'd already cut them to clear. This was no attempt to deliver value to gamers, they aimed at profit and Ryan Shrout was publicising DX9 & DX11 benchmarks before the launch debacle. The "designed for Rebar" was an obvious lie as nobody used Rebar until the RDNA2 launch long after Alchemist was designed. TAP's talk about continuous GB file transfers was also BS because buses are designed to a max transfer size as multiple devices need a turn or the PC will likely lock up. Alchemist was 2020 tech in 2022 and Battlemage was cut back with no 2024 dGPU launch announced. Tiger Lake Xe graphics remain broken in many games, while AXG's management and dGPU designs were heavily cut back. If Battlemage comes out, it'll be too little too late yet again. Simply put, Intel have enough on their plate and have to stem the losses. Alchemist is available from the original production run and OEMs didn't want Arc stickers on their laptops. A heavy dose of realism should be applied, Intel have put their effort into AI and accelerators to try to defend their data center market share.

[@Peteryzhang]

Intel Arc, Zero market share by far, Zero, lol

[@yp5387]

Everyone wants to support Intel but nobody wants to buy Intel GPU. And then complain about Nvidia being dominated in this space. Everyone who says intel should remain in gaming space should have at least one card from them. They no need moral or verbal support.

[@jackskalski3699]

I consider buying intel bm2 or AMD rdna4 on the level of perf of 4070-4080.

[@nenoman3855]

It's not a "mistake." Intel knew the risks, took a gamble, and sadly the gamble didn't pay off, at least not in the short term.

[@omgnowairly]

They were horrible and still underwhelming.

[@donh8833]

Intel had already abandoned the dGPU plans. Celestial will he the last and none of them will compete with the top nvidia and amd offerings. It might make for a decent midrange for a couple years.

[@thetheoryguy5544]

Lies

[@hanooi7450]

At the rate Intel is going, they will go bankrupt or get bought out by either AMD or nVidia. With the onslaught of ARM based cpus on Win 11, just what advantage will Intel have left?

[@nimrodery]

American foundries.

[@stefanbucur6472]

Naive comment. Intel is still the biggest chip maker in the world and they're about to get much bigger when they finish their Ohio and Arizona foundries and start using the newly purchased ASML machines. There is a high chance they 5X their market cap in the next 3-4 years in my opinion

[@hanooi7450]

@@stefanbucur6472 Biggest chip maker is TSMC. TSMC has 60% of all global foundry revenue in Q4 of 2023. Intel is surviving on US government subsidies.

[@stefanbucur6472]

@@hanooi7450 Doesn't matter, you're not looking at the investment levels and what is going on in the South China Sea. It is very likely we'll see Intel making a vast majority of the world's chips including for fabless companies like Nvidia in the next few years. And Intel is definitely not surviving on government subsidies, the government just considered it important to move chip production domestically, you're mixing things up

[@hanooi7450]

@@stefanbucur6472 Only way that happens is the US government decree that Qualcomm, Apple, AMD, and nVidia use only US onshore fabs to make their chips. nVidia already said US pricing isn't competitive and their plan, if not placed under duress, is to only make the required military sensitive chips using US based fabs; everything else goes to TSMC in Taiwan. As of today, AMD's market cap is double that of Intel's. Meanwhile Intel's market cap is nothing more than a daily fluctuation in nVidia's market cap.

[@demarco777]

Since Intel paid for this video, we can't fully believe everything in this video, no matter how you try to honestly disclose the sponsorship and sound neutral. As viewers, we all understand your channel lives on donations, sponsorship, ads, affiliate links etc. Should you bash the Intel products too much, you would get money for the next sponsored video. Thanks for the content, but I think for now, I'll check other reviews that not paid by Intel.

[@MikeBob2023]

Nothing asserted in this video is untrue. Nothing.

[@Saabjock]

I was not under any illusion that Intel would beat Nvidia or AMD out of the gate. Despite Intel building integrated graphics, those two companies had years of building discrete GPUs. My disgust of their anti-consumer practices and outright gouging...combined with my balanced expectations for ARC, were what drove me to the A770-16 LE. It runs every title I own exceptionally smoothly...no skipping, no crashing. Earlier on, I did have some weirdness when trying to load a few drivers. To date however, I have not had a single in-game crash. Here's that card in action. kzbin.info/www/bejne/nWqXlKqvnayBjZIsi=dfpQkfsgFQqD2Iza

[@Sp3cialk304]

We do need someone to compete and help Nvidia pushing real.time rendering forward. Nvidia have def been leading the way in pushing whats possible. Physics based real time lighting. Upscaling to greatly improve performance budget that developers have to work with, and fix the image quality problems caused by taa and fxaa. The performance budget increase is bigger than when we went from msaa to taa, mire than mesh shaders added, more than screen space effects added, more than mip maps added. Streamline SDK to make adding new features simple and quick for devs. RTX HDR to improve hdr in pc games. RTX IO to improve asset streaming and loading times. Upcoming tech neural compression to improve texture quality while reducing texture size (allows for less bandwidth to be used on textures). RTX Remix to give modders tools to update older games. People like to claim Nvidia gave up on gaming. But the truth is they are making more money than ever from the gaming market. They are the company not skipping out on the high end. The only company adding new tools and tech to increase fidelity and reduce dev times. Intel is doing a decent job trying to make low end/mid range cards with modern features. Nintendo is using nvida and will have its feature set on the next Switch. Sony is adding an NPU and using a bespoke upscaler for the ps5 pro. It's not Nvidia that gave up on gaming. It's not their fault that others refuse to try to compete. Its companys saying we will match them in a single metric, be 2 generations behind in everything else and sell our cards for 10 percent less.