Intellect goes in hard to debunk Veganism (Debate)

[@JoeyCarbstrong]

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[@VeganV5912]

. Plaque forms eating animals and cheese et cetera. Plant based diet no plaque. I know this because I used to eat animals and I had plaque all the time. But now I’m vegan, 7 years vegan, and I don’t go to the dentist because I don’t need it because no plaque at all. Try it for a month you’ll see ✅❤️🦵💪😬. Are used to weigh 65 kg, eating animals. But now I’m vegan, and I don’t go to the gym, I weigh 75 kg. Fat blocks the arteries. Try it. It doesn’t hurt. My favourite is vegan curry, with sweet potato and beans and lentils and tomatoes and aubergine and 🍄..... And I don’t stink anymore, PH 7 ✅😉

[@VeganV5912]

HitIer and PoI Pot and Putin... we’re killing innocent souls.

[@VeganV5912]

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[@VeganV5912]

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[@VeganV5912]

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[@moonstar9559]

It's hilarious when non vegans tell vegans how to convince more people to be vegan when they haven't convinced themselves or anyone else.

[@kozarozmata6016]

why would they want to convince anyone else?

[@alisiademi]

It's so arrogant and so neglectful of personal responsibility. "I'm not going to stop unnecessarily harming because you're not doing a good enough job to convince me to" it's also a brilliant way to derail the conversation/deflect and waste time so the time isn't used confronting them with their excuses lol

[@novasZK]

@@alisiademi it's sad that people even need convincing

[@kozarozmata6016]

​@@alisiademi It's feedback, the result of your interaction with them that failed according to your goals. if you would convince them they wouldnt derail. So take your personal responsibility

[@alisiademi]

@@kozarozmata6016 if a person doesn't go vegan as a result of any interaction with a vegan, it is only on them, not on the vegan. We can't blame our own actions on other people, that's ridiculous. As long as the activist isn't hurting anybody, obviously they can improve their strategies and responses, but it doesn't make much difference.

[@TheWowzz]

Hey mate just wanted to tell you that i recently discovered you and havent touched animal products since i saw that byford and sons slaughterhouse footage because i am truly terrorized and disgusted with humanity. Ive been binge watching your videos and your passion for this movement is just something else. You’re extremely wellspoken and it shows you’re trying to educate people in the right way. Thank you for doing what you’re doing. ❤️

[@じゃみっと]

Well done!! 🌱

[@PlantPowerTrip]

Thanks for the open mind and willingness to change! Glad you broke from the cycle of death and torment 👌

[@bonchidude]

Thank you so much!

[@EmoCatXP]

Joey is amazing, check out Earthling Ed aswell 👍🏻

[@austindobbins8957]

I love how he thinks the world has to either be "only humans are conscious" or "who are you to say a brain is required for consciousness, every blade of grass is conscious"

[@bonchidude]

Cognitive dissonance is great with this one.

[@LouisGedo]

*Create a Better World and a Better You by......................................Living Vegan*

[@shaunburke1773]

Mental gymnastics are strong in this interview

[@zaktivist]

No f*cking way! I’m 99% sure I debated this guy last year and his arguments were so confusing.

[@ARKSURVIVOR879]

Well now we know he won't go vegan

[@Kaida.Kazooie]

Funny you say that I was thinking I also spoke to him on an outreach too and he just most of the time chatted a load of crap. He apparently goes to the outreaches often and they consider him a time waster as he never changes

[@BeyondaThought]

Joey the way that you can stay so calm in a debate is incredible. This guy was also an absolute legend for coming around, thinking logically and not sticking to any fallacies.

[@Vnp99]

Watch his older videos. He was arrogant, impatient... And i used to get annoyed at him! Thing is, i was just like him. But with time we realize that being that way doesn't help at all. Being calm, patient comes naturally with time and experience and its the best way as people think about the conversation later.

[@dylank6191]

@@Vnp99 Seconded. I watched some of his older TV appearances and was so annoyed because he wouldn't let anyone finish. He improved so much, really love his content now

[@Vnp99]

@@dylank6191 ikr. He'd never let anyone finish what they're saying. But it was because he was so emotional and couldn't comprehend why people eat animals and probably considered all meat eaters to be evil, just as i did

[@BeyondaThought]

@@Vnp99 as much I as I agree with pretty much everything you've said. When it comes to Joey on TV interviews he's said that he cuts people off because the tv time is only limited they can often spin the script to make sure the vegan doesn't have much of an argument and won't get the last word. He would come across as aggressive in his earlier TV debates but I did see it justified and impactful. Certainly helped me go Vegan, especially the chat he did with the dairy couple and the woman deer hunter.

[@PiceaSitchensis]

Keep up the good work, Joey!

[@alisiademi]

I would not have enjoyed talking to him lol. Good on you Joey!!

[@ChairmanMeowNZ]

Your channel is awesome 👍

[@alisiademi]

@@ChairmanMeowNZ hey thanks 😇😇

[@mackenzieglidden2968]

I would of talked to him

[@alisiademi]

@@chucky2316 I merely said I wouldn't enjoy it

[@anti-ethniccleansing465]

@@alisiademi Why wouldn’t you enjoy talking to a perfectly polite individual that is already primed to go vegan and just needs a bit of a nudge (vegetarians are much more likely to transition to veganism that full-bore meat-eaters are)? You come off as very selfish, tbh. I thought the idea is to persuade people for the sake of the animals.

[@sallypalmer4713]

This is the kind of conversation we should all have, not just rants where no one listens. Good job by you and him.

[@orestismaroulakis9713]

We need this guy to do vegan activism

[@ebtsoby]

haha nice one, it's good to see someone questioning things because it shows he's really thinking about it and not just taking what you say as fact, garuntee he'll think more about this now

[@stewartmoore5158]

He may as well argue that aliens in a parallel universe require meat to live to justify his own diet. It’s insane.

[@viewpoint2515]

He felt like an honest person. Just someone trying to clear out his thoughts and positions. I believe he will go vegan

[@tarionp]

I loved this vid. Especially at the end🙏🙏🙏🙏

[@Zoonofski]

You could ask this guy want he wants for lunch and he would answer "That depends on what you mean by lunch, and what you mean by want."

[@DebugYourBrain]

People in poor villages somewhere have to eat meat. Therefore I have to eat meat...sigh For me these are some of the most frustrating types of interviews to conduct, but that makes them all the more important. Great work! Edit: Alright he actually turned out to be debating in good faith I think, just philosophically minded, so he wanted to pressure test ideas.

[@kozarozmata6016]

They have to? Those poor people if only they had vegan options their lives would be so much happier

[@LouisGedo]

Yeah...........the Carnist and Anti-Vegan arguments are ALWAYS failed arguments

[@goldenegg1063]

But meat costs more than meat free alternatives 🤷‍♂️ . The cost of quitting meat is a poor excuse . . When you cook meat it shrinks at leased half . Meat free chicken beef etc alternative does not . Therefore its all an illusion at the supermarket or wherever you buy your food . The vegan food only looks expensive because meat appears to be better value when its raw

[@mackenzieglidden2968]

@@kozarozmata6016 no they wouldn't they starve.

[@mackenzieglidden2968]

Because being vegan is an choice. And it's not helathy for you to just eat plants 24/7

[@DJLirnl]

Good work as always Joey.

[@rebelvgan4579]

Good conversation, Joey. People are funny when trying to think too hard :P

[@rebelvgan4579]

@Ryan Robinett ??? Wtf are you on about?

[@totezmcgotez44]

Only in a vegan debate will the opponent declare sea sponges aren’t sentient & 5 seconds later claim that plants might be.

[@Xur______]

Carbstrong and Earthling Ed both released a video today!

[@leviahimsa]

This guy needs to go watch an hour of slaughterhouse footage.

[@leviahimsa]

@Paul Semmens Risk of death from cancer, heart disease, stroke, diabetes, infections, kidney disease, liver disease and lung disease all increase with the amount of meat consumed. - National Cancer Institute

[@leviahimsa]

@Paul Semmens I think you may confuse a vague 'balanced' with a 'whole food plant based' diet. The only diet ever scientifically shown to reverse our leading cause of human death (Heart Disease), with 99.4% success, is a Whole Food Plant Based diet. -Esselstyn The longest living humans live in Blue Zones which consume plant based diets.

[@leviahimsa]

@Paul Semmens No one cares about your diet - they care about all those individuals you're killing unnecessarily...

[@damienfrizzell9394]

@Paul Semmens how dare you call any one ignorant. After saying something like that, all animals in slaughterhouses die horribly. It is horrible to kill any one for flesh . What fairy tale do you live in

[@ponnamy]

@@chucky2316 Please read the book "Becoming Vegan: The Complete Reference to Plant-Based Nutrition (Comprehensive Edition)" by Brenda Davis, RD and Vesanto Melina, MS RD for proper vegan nutrition guidance before becoming a vegan. Happy vegan journey!

[@KellySmunt303]

Intellect?

[@lilo4235]

Dedicated Joey Carbstrong and his team are exceptional at educating violence towards innocent animals immoral that speciesism, human supremacy is delusional and lacking in compassion and empathy breaking past the paradigm of discrimination towards peace for all animals

[@jonbrown9559]

Im a wheat farmer and i did a study on my crop and i found that i kill 3 mice two rats and about 1/2 pheasant per one loaf of bread im wondering how we should fine tune how we should harvest crops without killing the wildlife in our fields

[@JoeyCarbstrong]

A hundred bushels per acre translates to about a third of a cup per square foot. Ground up in a coffee grinder, that third of a cup of grain becomes about a half-cup of flour, so 6 square feet of land should produce the 3 cups of flour needed for a loaf of bread. So every 6 square feet you kill 3 mice two rats and about 1/2 pheasant? Fins that very hard to believe!! Show me your study. www.nhregister.com/news/article/Bread-begins-with-wheat-so-plant-a-loaf-or-two-11679704.php

[@missvegan2607]

Joey you blow my mind,l love you,they can't beat you no matter what they say.Love you love you love you, God bless you ❤️🌱

[@Bianca-pw5cn]

Is this person pretending he’s a philosopher to justify unnecessary and systematic violence towards innocent and vulnerable animals for taste pleasure? 😶

[@yournextlondonmayor7256]

Yes.

[@wayneliketowalk3740]

Nice to see a good ol debate. Hopefully he thinks twice when shopping next time😉 Great Work as always Joey, Spreading the knowledge👍🤘

[@Belowski69]

I find the thought of an intellect drinking breast milk from another species very weird

[@ponnamy]

@Paul Semmens Judging by your comment, you're one who needs mental health therapy.

[@niken538]

@Paul Semmens sincerely, the butthurt person crying on a vegan video

[@arian6565]

@Paul Semmens why are u talking of yourself in the second person?

[@Belowski69]

@Ryan Robinett Fungi don't have brains nor a nervous system. Please tell me the study that shows that fungi are sentient, I dare you. And on the same note, proof to me that bees arent and cant feel pain. Also swallowing another humans seed load with both partys consenting isn't the same as drinking the boobmilk of a cow that probably got bull semen injected in her vagina.

[@nuclearcatbaby1131]

Why can’t we drink lab grown human breast milk?

[@jakeabdi147]

Can survive off plants

[@dohpam1ne]

So wait, he went vegetarian for animal ethics but he doesn't know if animals are conscious?

[@evanman1011]

Breed people for food then. Same logic 😋🤷🏻‍♂️

[@warmeappeltaart496]

Or breeding for dogfighting.

[@hubtubby]

You're so good at this Joey, well done

[@happyapple4269]

He ambushes people with his pre planned attacks.

[@hubtubby]

@@happyapple4269 I saw no ambush here, if the other guy felt "ambushed" couldn't he have just walked away?

[@lisaclausen8304]

With the pleasure vs pain argument, would just say, that suffering is a key component of moral choice. It isn't just pain, it the component of suffering that committed vegans and even Buddhists strive to reduce if not prevent. Also, Buddhism discusses the principle of interbeing. . .Interbeing is understanding how everything is connected to everything else. Paying money for "meat" is connected to the suffering of sentient beings. When we get ready to cut into the meat to take into our bodies, we are literally consuming suffering and violence that has gone into that meat.

[@perkarmblad]

The whataboutism among non-vegans is exhausting.

[@jhunt5578]

At last. An intellectually honest person

[@ChaseAvior]

Slaughter is animal cruelty. Ban meat.

[@x-latetv-x6816]

Nope

[@mackenzieglidden2968]

Nope cuz it's food.

[@ARKSURVIVOR879]

Cope👆

[@x-latetv-x6816]

@@ARKSURVIVOR879 cope harder

[@DJParamore]

@@mackenzieglidden2968 conditioned to think a dead carcass is food, wake up mack

[@phantomoftheveganflatland6148]

Thank you

[@Obez45]

Just want to ask; there is going to be a global shortage next year as a result of many factors. What are everyone's plans to tackle it?

[@Phaseriffic]

Sometimes it feels like non vegans can't use simple logic...

[@Unmasking_Viandalisme]

The 'simple logic' is otherwise known as nutrition. I almost went "vegan" but 'simple logic' said "Don't be a dumbass!". My omnivore diet is returning excellent results. Plant-man, Dan "Pinocchio" Buettner, claims that BZ (longest-lived) populations traditionally ate 95% - 100% PB. His own, BZ website says

[@SRMR93]

Intellects don't wear masks.

[@zodd67]

Surely the name the trait argument would justify Joey's claim....

[@zodd67]

Assuming humans are not herbivorous, it is factual we can live perfectly fine without meat and if that's the case can something as small as a 10 minute lunch justify so much suffering and death of innocent animals? But let me post some detail about the differences between carnivorous animals and humans -Carnivores can see in the dark, we can't -Carnivores have a lot shorter digestive tract to get meat out of their system fast -Their gut contains around 10x the acidity of humans required to break down meat -They have claws to hunt -We need vitamin C to live abundant in plants but only found in some obscure organ meats -Our jaws move side to side like other herbivorous animals such as cow, horses etc carnivores can't do that and also have much stronger biting forces -Herbivorous animals sweat through pours carnivores pant when hot -We have colour vision to pick ripe plants -Carnivorous animals can handle cases of hypervitaminosis for example getting excessive vitamin A from eating liver we struggle and in turn get severe side effects.

[@zodd67]

@@underground5220 See my response^^

[@perihelion7445]

Do you have the full version without all the jump cuts?

[@caliskaterboy626]

Great conversation!

[@gunnerafc4443]

Hi vegans. I'm at the stage of feeling ashamed to eat meat, but I can't push myself to go fully vegan. I've grown up eating meat, it's everywhere and it's easily accessible. I want to note im a picky eater, and usually the food I eat is more expensive if you go for the vegan option. Is there any advice I can get to push me in the direction?

[@someonesomething]

hey gunner. I'm opposite of you I only eat to survive and as natural as possible i can. but my stand point is and only advice is everytime you order or buying animal product debate with yourself on point. if you cant justify it, dont buy it. then you have to find antoher option to eat ofcourse i would suggest to make a few vegan comfort food in your mind and if you cant think anything else but those comfort options. you can struggle at first week but you can increase your recipe options day by day learning and discovering. thats how i started i started with only eating pasta with can of ready to eat beans and than i add all the vegetable meals. i eat mostly steamed because im too lazy to spend 30 min to make a meal. but debating yourself is a good option, i still couldn't justified eating animal products after 6 year and still waiting for it lol.

[@Stevelives13]

Go and visit a slaughterhouse.

[@laleloli]

Firstly I'd establish a clear picture of the industry you support by buying meat, dairy and eggs. I'd recommend watching Dominion on KZbin. Then I would basically try to make the connection every time I see animal products with the victim behind it. If it's cheese, picture the mother cow being exploited, with meat picture the animal terrified in the slaughterhouse, with eggs picture the male chicks going to the blender etc. You have to visualize the impact your choice has and make the connection between animal products and the suffering that's behind them.

[@therockingvolbeat3630]

I used to be really picky and still probably am compared to most other vegans. I didn’t eat things like pasta and beans and just lived on meats and pizzas. When I went vegan it pushed me to try the things I’d convinced myself I didn’t like. I now love pasta, beans and much more that I would have never tried before making the change. The little extra price on the comfort foods is worth it for its lack of abuse but I recommend stepping out of your comfort zone and trying new things and things you’ve not tried in years that you have convinced yourself that you don’t like.

[@mackenzieglidden2968]

It's your choice gunner if u want to eat meat eat meat or be an vegetarian or vegan if u want to.

[@jbtv5617]

Its down to industry at a whole, i mean just look at the Frankenstein chickens KFC sells, i worked there few years back. What was Wasted was abominable.

[@fieldofreeds8581]

By wasted I hope you’re referring to the loss of life for no reason…

[@0hgre]

how do people not get that you need a nervous system to experience anything?

[@untitled9693]

I think a good measure of consciousness and what it is would be the following: Consciousness is an awareness of one's surroundings. Thus thay awareness must have some meaning to the subject of whom is aware. Therefore, if they are aware of their surroundings, they would also react to their surroundings as being aware of their surroundings must also mean they can locate themselves in space, within the world. So, a conscious subject is aware of their surroundings and therefore themselves. This awareness would be pointless if they could react to it in someway, to adjust to an ever changing environment (their immediate surroundings) . Therefore a consciousness being would be able to move within their surroundings developing a further awareness of the space around them and therefore experience in general. Therefore a conscious being would be able to make decisions based on their experience of their surroundings. So basically, if it can move, sence (see, touch,hear etc) it's surroundings (awareness), it is conscious. If it can't (plants) it most likely isn't conscious. This is more of a rough guide I use, there are still grey areas but this guide can apply to most animals to measure their consciousness.

[@TheDarkerAges]

so a well designed robot would be conscious...?

[@RudyWarman]

There is a condition where people don't feel pain though right? Where they have to be really careful because they can get burnt and not even realise.

[@isaacperal9778]

You are the best Joey. You manage to handle him without making him guilty

[@exoterminator7085]

Bump for the algorithm.

[@tarionp]

*gets popcorn*

[@onewa712]

great intellectual excercise! even for us atching the video :D

[@carnismiscancer2108]

Veganism is rising and thriving while carnism is trying and dying! Keep fighting vegans! CHARGE!!!

[@kozarozmata6016]

Misanthropy shall prevail!

[@zarelli7831]

I wouldn’t say it’s dying, a lot of people revert back to their previous diet.

[@mackenzieglidden2968]

But why are after mock meats which shows your missing meats. Plus loads of vegans are turning ex

[@x-latetv-x6816]

Nope

[@Liza-pb3cg]

Haha Joey iLove your work but on the plants. First of all people manage all the time to distract you with a different discussion, the're changing the subject aren't they? And second i think science on plants and so on suggests that consciousness is really really broad, as in energy and intention and so on. So i think all creation is conscious in a way. For a plant to live its full life it needs to set flower, fruits and seeds and die in its own time. We can harvest from a "Holy Garden" only the leaves we want to eat, for exaple kale and salads and beans and fruits, and leave the plant be. But as i said, it is an entirely different discussion, Keep it up you are Amazing ❤☘🌿🌾🌱💚 #DoYouStillPayTheButcherDoYou ? #VeganFarmingIsAThing

[@ohfuffy4870]

Just wanted to touch on one thing you said. Morality does exist in cases of survival, the moral considerations you might make in cases of survival might be different though. For example, considering whether or not I should eat animal products in Syndye involves thinking about the rights of the animals and the demandingness of not eating them. In the case of survival, it may be just you considering your own rights and the rights of the other animal that you considering consuming

[@36ELRIC]

We established the reason behind his augment It's pleasure he said so himself, yet he continued to try to use other excesses. It's frustrating I have Vegetarian friends who stopped eating meat because of ethics yet they are not vegan, don't make sense to me. I always say the dairy industry is worse than the meat industry and they always say yeah but I like Eggs, Cheese, Chocolate the same old annoying things

[@anti-ethniccleansing465]

I’ve been a vegetarian for 30 years, and would go vegan if I could, but I have a very unique situation with my health that prevents me from making that last transition... It bothers my a lot, but I’m just trying to survive. Sometimes there really are justifiable exceptions, which is why I can’t imagine the industry being banned across the board - I just want it to be revolutionized, because it is unacceptable in the state that it’s currently in. I really want as many people to go vegan who can though!

[@benny.pepper]

@@anti-ethniccleansing465 can you elaborate on that health condition bit more? I mean philosophically speaking if you exclude as much animal products as practically possible then you're already a vegan. Unless let's say the reason is u need omega 3 (there's vegan alternative for it, this is just an example) but u somehow u decide to consume cow's milk, eat burgers n shit then this health thing is just an excuse, hopefully that's not the case here. Do you need specific nutrients that only exist from animal products, if so what is it? If there's really no non-animal product alternative for it then you're fine.

[@anti-ethniccleansing465]

@@benny.pepper It’s because of my being physically, permanently disabled. I am already extremely underweight and malnourished because I am only able to fix one quick meal a night, due to relentless and massive chronic pain in my back (which was caused by a fucked-up, failed back surgery/malpractice)... So those quick meals need to be packed with as much nutrients and calories as possible. Some days all I can manage is a bit of snacking during the day, and I don’t feel well enough to make that one meal at night. I’m also very impoverished because of my disability (I only have social security as income), so I rely on the food pantry for free food. P.S. I’m not sure if you noticed, but I said I’ve been a vegetarian for 30 years… I haven’t eaten a burger in 30 years, so I’m not sure why you brought up burgers.

[@36ELRIC]

@@anti-ethniccleansing465 I'm sorry to hear that sounds terrible. Sounds like you need home care help more than your diet. You can pack in plenty of Calories on a Vegan diet, this shouldn't be an issue. Dairy products for calories isn't really a thing. if you need quick food packed with calories I suggest lots of Pasta, Rice, Tofu, Nuts, Potatoes, Breads, Avocados, no need to have dairy for calories. Hope you can get some help

[@benny.pepper]

​@@anti-ethniccleansing465I'm sorry u have to go thru all that. Thanks for sharing what happened and why u need to eat what u eat. Now I get it, and ur diet it's completely understandable. Some might say ur even philosophically still a vegan (i'd agree, since u literally need to eat them to survive lol) and that burgers was just an example, not assuming what ur eating atm or smth. Cheers!

[@vinwillcock612]

Why do you seem to attract the contrarians. It would be interesting to know what percentage of interviews are on board with the vegan message?

[@jonahharris8789]

He probably runs into vegans semi regularly, it's just that posting and having those conversations wouldn't be as fruitful.

[@nap333]

Thank you Joey!

[@TheFabFoo]

A living being wants to live, you kill.... How could that ever be fair.....

[@TheHighGiant]

Two honest people.

[@AlexnicholasBlakely]

joey is just so on it, a true intellect.

[@Stevelives13]

Its not difficult for this particular subject.

[@AlexnicholasBlakely]

@@Stevelives13 I agree. The man has attended the lessons but hasn't learnt the thing.

[@Vegan4Life_]

Keep it up, Joey!✌

[@innnnhhjjhhhjiioloookk]

If u have a brain u re aware animals have brain's they re aware Simple

[@JustinViola]

'Intellect', yes... I see what you did there.

[@janetashton3718]

A man was behind me in the supermarket today with massive trays of chicken legs I felt sick especially when he said they were to feed his dogs x

[@clairedesnoyers6530]

On youtube: Gary Yourofsky 59:03: "The most important speech you will..." "Lucent animal cruelty" 12:05 1:11:35 "14 videos that will change your mind about wearing wool." Doctor Milton Mills: "Are we meant to eat meat?"

[@anasi1509]

Ignorance and lack of compassion of some people shocks me 😖

[@Jack-zj1ug]

I don’t believe this guy lacks compassion. And ignorance is only bad when people choose to remain so. This guy doesn’t seem that way

[@mackenzieglidden2968]

Because people can eat what they want

[@annoyingbutmorallyconsistent]

@@mackenzieglidden2968 People can also kick a dog if they want. Strangle a cat if they want. Doesn't make it ethically or morally justifiable.

[@nerlind]

So he wants to make a distinction on murder and killing based on consciousness but when asked what that he is..."oh, I don't know."

[@bhunjiboyy]

I agree with you joey even tho im a meat eater, i could go a week or so with beans and lentils and rice, but eventually the temptation for cheese and meat took over, im weak, im a hipocrite.

[@seitanbeatsyourmeat666]

No, you’re not. You’re trying and that means a lot… try eating fewer animals, less often. 2 or 3 times a week instead of every day. Over time, you’ll find great recipes and new ideas, plus new things are coming to grocery stores weekly, and the prices on them will drop the more we buy them. If you see something interesting, try it. Keep going, the only failure is when you quit

[@bhunjiboyy]

@@seitanbeatsyourmeat666 Yeah good idea, these days prices dictate diet aswell

[@bobsbigboy_]

Its quits obvious who is healthier within these two

[@jaybailey3212]

Joey the genius. simpletons and small minds cant comprehend intelligent minds. keep going bro. mad respect

[@Trolloftruth]

Genius?? Joey barely has enough brain power to breathe

[@jaybailey3212]

@@Trolloftruth Got bigger brains than youll ever have. Clearly feel threatened by him or you wouldnt try and tear him down

[@Unmasking_Viandalisme]

@@Trolloftruth Joey the genius!? The guy has the IQ of a.. lettuce. This🤡🌍is becoming ever more🙃.

[@nap333]

It's always funny watching people scramble to justify supporting cruelty and exploitation

[@nap333]

@Ryan Robinett Interesting point but I disagree. They don't promote themselves as non-profits. If they want to make money whilst continuing to dedicate their time to raising awareness and waking people up to the suffering and exploitation I have no problem with that. In fact, I think to have the following they have and not monetize is a waste. However, I see why you feel that way. If you're donating to nonprofits doing this work please share.

[@brianperkinson3354]

I positively doubt this guy is a fair challenge to Joey Carbstrong, the minute he dared to differ between killing and murder. That was absolutely hilarious.

[@WTFisMYname24]

No argument against veganism except maybe nihilism.

[@kozarozmata6016]

Vegans themselves are argument against veganism

[@kazzykaioken8873]

Well i used to be vegan but now I just dont eat meat, I dont share the same philosophy that is 'veganism'. I think the meat industry is one of the worst things on planet earth and dont support it. I also think humans have better health eating a well rounded plant based diet.. but I dont think its immoral to fish for food while on a 7 day hiking trip for example and im not gonna get rid of my leather gloves even tho I would avoid buying new ones if possible and there is a non animal based suitable material

[@timdehaan843]

@@kazzykaioken8873 you was plant based before than

[@MrAllmightyCornholioz]

@@kazzykaioken8873 you think the meat industry is the worst…… except when they harvest skins for gloves.

[@kazzykaioken8873]

@@MrAllmightyCornholioz I just said I wouldnt buy a new pair of leather gloves unless there was literally no other suitable material, but im not gonna throw away the ones I already own which is one of the reasons altho i dont eat meat that I am not 'vegan'

[@maxdecleyn]

"You don't score point with the judge because you didn't torture them." lol, true.

[@charlotteyork1300]

Thank you Joey. Vegan for animals. You rock!

[@lindagordon2830]

I wish I had the patience and fortitude Joey has to stick with waking up the self absorbed that aren't brain necrosed completely.

[@dancrowther9931]

Jesus the plants have feelings too argument again Joey . You’ve got the patience of a saint pal

[@zarelli7831]

It was a good debate from both sides.

[@bonchidude]

All animals are sentient Joey. Example: This is why mollusks jet, ooze away or hide in their shells, etc.

[@rob.simbulis]

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[@adelastvanova8690]

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[@kLa6KJESUS]

btw Joey, i am all-in on the vegan debate and i am vegan myself but you can't say there's nothing living inside a tree, or a plant, as if you were comparing them to a house. Especially because it fits your arguments in the conversation. Don't be hypocritical like all them meat-eaters in absolute denial of animal suffering for there own pleasure. Man has to eat but yeah, trees feel pain and express it through glutamate responses too. It has been shown, scientifically, through imagery and datas.. Same with mushrooms, plants, most flowers and so on. How would you explain "carnivor plants" if not ? The grass even sends a message to its neighbour whenever it's getting cut, as a warning ; which is pretty interesting knowing its probably doomed anyway hahaha. What about mycellium, abling entire forests and tree to communicate to one another ? No sentience ? Come on. Good luck on your journey. Thank you for keeping up the fight. I am personally bored to do so and generally mostly do my own; try to lead by exemple instead of persuasion... Anyway. Cheers man. Thank you for everything.

[@jaybailey3212]

If your words didnt hold any power, they wouldnt try and silence you Joey.

[@x-latetv-x6816]

Vegan cult cope

[@mattsapero1896]

He could also be the next Dr. Who.

[@weirdguy9209]

"Intellectual" Yeah in excuse making

[@bmanagement4657]

My vegan since birth wife says when it comes to a point that we have to eat animals to survive, she'll see no difference between eating people and animals. 'Just don't eat the brain, darling'

[@yournextlondonmayor7256]

I think farming people is the future of meat and dairy, as we move into a more automated world the need to pay people to work will no longer be a thing and I see this as an excellent way to make humans a a viable commodity and to stop our extinction and a species.

[@bmanagement4657]

@@yournextlondonmayor7256 possibly eating our dead but not farming, and depending on how we treat the biosphere it may come to that.

[@yournextlondonmayor7256]

My initial reaction to your suggestion of only eating people that have died from disease rather than young farmed humans turned my stomach a little bit , but having thought about it , eating someone that has been pumped full of drugs , especially opiates for months maybe years could really be a USP and possibly attract a premium price , just like a choice cut.

[@bmanagement4657]

@@yournextlondonmayor7256 a bit of a stretch but who knows what the future holds

[@x-latetv-x6816]

@@yournextlondonmayor7256 vegan cult cope

[@pyrokenesis1855]

Some people are just thick. Do people rewatch themselves in these interviews and realized how inferior there argument are

[@LS-bw7jt]

Intellect? You mean an intellect wannabe

[@fantasticsituation9461]

why do you say plants are definitely not conscious joey? im vegan btw, i think its fine to eat plants, but i still believe they have a form of consciousness

[@larissatorres4869]

Consciousness is sentience or awareness of internal and external existence. It often includes any kind of cognition, experience, feeling or perception. For this to happen a brain is necessary.

[@fantasticsituation9461]

@@larissatorres4869 how do you know that for certain?

[@angelatillman4323]

Im not sure about this guy. He really wants to justify eating animals. Hs body language suggests he thinks this is a joke.

[@redbriarn6295]

I agree with you that killing animals causes them pain, it’s murder, no being wants to die , every living thing wants to live. Im vegetarian Im allergic to animals protein even fish ect. What would the world be like if everyone is vegan? Can we feed the planet 🌍? How would we do this? I work in small scale agriculture, we feed our livestock soybean hulls, hay, brewery waste, crop silage from failed corn crops, tree trimmings, yard waste, restaurant food waste, Christmas trees, and anything else we can get from our local sources. Animals are basically a solar food production factory. What about the ocean? Millions of people consume seafood for survival, what would you do as an alternative for that? To make a pound of tofu you end with an equal amount of byproducts straw, hulls, seed coat ect , if you compost the waste you actually produce more green house gases, what is the plan for that? Also where do all the now feral animals go , in Florida feral pigs are destroying farms, what would you do with the animals? What is the plan for the grass pastures? Should we turn everything into a mono crop human food production? #vegan #feedinghumans

[@redbriarn6295]

All these videos have the same narrative. Basically does it hurt animals to be killed =yes. Can animals feel pain = yes. Are animals intelligent = yes. Are factory farms an awesome living area =no . Would you eat your dog = tbd . Rape in dairy = yes. Murder of animals = yes . My question is what about the rats 🐀 and flies, and cockroaches 🪳 and feral animals? What are you going to do with this issue? Mass compost in open air will absolutely increase vermin , insects, and food production loss. Are we going to sterilize all animals on the face of the earth

[@seitanbeatsyourmeat666]

@@redbriarn6295 The animals we eat are specifically bred to be eaten… they’d die off naturally and we wouldn’t continue to breed them. I’m not sure what you’re talking about with cockroaches and flies, we have them now. Birds eat bugs like mosquitoes (they actually can eat their weight in bugs daily) as do spiders… are we overrun with bugs now? Why would not eating animals change the situation? Actually, with the lack of slaughterhouses, we’d have fewer cockroaches and flies Most crops are fed to animals, not humans. We can feed the world population roughly 7x if we all went vegan. Don’t believe me, google it. Raising animals to eat is a huge waste of calories from crops, also the water required (did you know it take 1000 gallons of water to produce 1 gallon of milk? Look it up) and the pollution caused from the run off from these farms. The Gulf of Mexico is under threat from animal agriculture run off There’s always some excuse to not go vegan, but that’s all it is: excuses

[@DemonDestroyer7]

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[@victoriasalter1701]

Hitler acted like he had the right to decide who lived and who died as well.

[@x-latetv-x6816]

What right do you have to spray pesticides on wildlife animals to protect your veggies

[@victoriasalter1701]

@@x-latetv-x6816 Pesticides are sprayed on the crops that are used to grow feed for the poor farm animals whom you pay for the murder of, too. Do you also eat vegetables, fruits and crops? Pesticide was probably used on them, too. Eating fruits, vegetables and crops is not just limited to vegans…

[@x-latetv-x6816]

@@victoriasalter1701 I don't discriminate when it comes to my food choices you do

[@jonahharris8789]

@@x-latetv-x6816 Are you trolling or just ignorant? It's not discriminating to kill less.

[@itorlofi8102]

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[@gurkirtsingh793]

Bump

[@avrilfarrell8671]

So he is eating animals because other cultures stop eating it?? OK then.

[@isaacperalvillaverde1986]

The times they are a changing. Go vegan