Debate: Should Society Legalize Psychedelics?

[@rexmann1984]

Saying that it's a dangerous social experiment to legalize these drugs is absolute idiocy. Plebian in its execution. The drug war WAS the social experiment that turned our world upside down. That's one Doctor I won't be asking for anything.

[@freakyboo4811]

Yeah, he was dishonest in his arguments, conflating alcohol and tobacco legalisation with psychadelic legalisation - the first two are addictive and harmful to the body, the latter non-addictive and not harmful (apart from MDMA). The war on drugs has done so much more damage to the world than legalisation could possibly ever do.

[@rexmann1984]

@@freakyboo4811 if it grows in the dirt it should be as legal as potatoes.

[@BushyHairedStranger]

@@rexmann1984 Ergot is a Fungus(LSD), Psilocybin Mushrooms(Psilocybin) grow in the dirt, Ephedra(Methamphetamine) grows in the dirt, Coca Plants(Cocaine)grow in the dirt. So all drugs SHOULD be legalized for informed adults.

[@rexmann1984]

@@BushyHairedStranger 😱😉😁👍💯

[@mefisto05s.20]

Psychedelic has potential of being enormously dangerous. It is very much a social experiment. It could be extremely easy for an average person to access large quantity of psychedelics if legalized.

[@CharlesLumia]

As long as you aren't hurting anyone else you should be free to do what you want to do. It's called liberty.

[@yoda497]

For real , I can go drink myself to death if I want to, who's to tell an adult what they can/cant do with their bodies.

[@Horamod]

@@yoda497 Yes! And I'd also pay for the ambulance, hospital and burial myself. And if I survive, I'd also pay for rehab myself, not the state.

[@rexmann1984]

@@Horamod buzzards gotta eat, same as a worm.

[@Horamod]

@@rexmann1984 Enlightment is obviously something that happened to other people...

[@rexmann1984]

@@Horamod not all Ancaps were created equal.

[@acaryadasa]

I am pro legalization for the one reason that didn't come up at all. I own my body and should be allowed to put whatever I want in it. Despite disagreeing I thought the against side did a far better job. I was annoyed that the pro side was unwilling or unable to admit that the main reason people do drugs, all drugs including psychedelics is because it is fun/feels good.

[@josephsaafan7838]

So should be able to use heroin? because that is basically what you are saying

[@bodhiheeren]

If you only take psychedelics for fun you are certainly missing the true potential of these substances. And actually heighten the risk for doing harm to yourself.

[@TheInterestingInformer]

The facts you just spit piss me off with how true it is. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FIR SAYING THIS BRO, why don’t we have the freedom of CHOICE???

[@gravel3635]

@@josephsaafan7838 yes you should be able to use heroin. Why the hell not

[@mndlessdrwer]

Honestly, with the number of studies showing rather promising treatment paths for various mental disorders through the application of psychedelics and marijuana, I'd really appreciate seeing them reclassified to something that would allow for their legal distribution, even if it isn't as a recreational commodity.

[@fishintheocean-i4g]

Yeah, but mental illness is an illusion, a lot of claimed "mental illness" by psychoanalysts is grasping at straws made up stuff in order to fill their pockets (and the psychiatric drug companies pockets). Psychiatry's claims of mental illness is often designed to criminalize enlightenment by labeling it "crazy." If psychedelics were legalized for medical application in treating "mental illness" then the same capitalistic agenda would be kept. If psychedelics were ever on the path of legalization we'd have seen the evidence of it a long time ago. Companies don't want psychedelics to be legal, in particular drug companies (by which I mean psychiatric drugs, Starbucks, bars, etc) and they've done a damn good job keeping them illegal.

[@Aliens-Are-Our-Friends2027]

no profit in the cure

[@mndlessdrwer]

@@Aliens-Are-Our-Friends2027 given the US's propensity for sending soldiers into the meat grinder of war, I don't think there will ever be a market devoid of patients in need of such care.

[@josephsaafan7838]

The thing is with this unlike Marijuana it actually has harmful effects you could even die from a overdose unlike Marijuana

[@sarahartley7179]

Caution & humility have frequently been absent in the history of psychiatric treatments! Legalization for personal use is wholly different from authorizing shallow zealots to administer a range of psychoactive substances to people under the authority of a clinical license. Psilocybin may be valuable to some terminal patients but there is little in medical training or knowledge that could be sure that giving it ‘does good and above all does no harm.’ It is fine for private experiments but not fine for MDs to pretend they’re shaman! In addition, few of the ‘psychedelic therapist/guides’ are well trained in true psychological work.

[@KASC92]

As someone whose life was changed from the benefits of psychedelics I don't really appreciate the joking intro. Treat it seriously. It can save lives. It's not about just getting high for many of us, so don't trivialize it. To be specific, it eliminated my anxiety and depression, and I did them maybe 6 years ago, and I've had no desire to do psychedelics again since (non-addictive). Also, the argument that corporations are bad so we can't have legal drugs is just a terrible argument. The logic is corporations will try to profit, so people can't do what they're going to do anyway with less safe means because...well we can't let them profit? Moronic. Also, it's just not inevitable because honestly psychedelics aren't necessarily 'fun' to experience. It's not necessarily a hedonistic substance. Some will abuse, but I'd guess the likelihood is significantly less than something like alcohol. Regarding my anecdotal experience, I went from academic probation to the Dean's list in a semester or two, dropped 40 lbs from an overweight state, and began volunteer work after crippling shyness directly following my psilocybin experience. These are empirical differences. I was not functional in society before.

[@zankazunk]

I struggle with depression, anxiety, adhd. It is clinical and recurring and I’m in the process of trying a second medication. So I’m curious. Was it a one time experience with a psychedelic that “flipped the switch” for you and eliminated your anxiety and depression?

[@josephsaafan7838]

Now a I disagree for a few reasons although it did help you it could be extremely harmful to others especially with anxiety it's really a risk you are taking there are also proven harmful effects you can even die from a overdose it would do more harm than good like I understand Marijuana legalization but this is to far

[@robinsss]

@@josephsaafan7838 why do you say the harm potential is greater than the good of relieving the symptoms of mental illness for hundreds of thousands of people across the country ?

[@TheMartexlolp]

​@@josephsaafan7838 actually, these drugs aren't very harmful. In fact, they're at the bottom of the list of drug's harm. As someone who has been dealing with depression, and used both antidepressants and magic mushrooms, I can confirm you that the antidepressants are worse than psilocybin. You need at least 2 weeks of daily ingest to start feeling better, while you struggle with the secondary effects. On psilocybin I felt way better in just a half hour, and teached me a lot of myself, giving me happiness for months

[@jimmyfuentes3914]

@@josephsaafan7838 you’re entirely wrong.

[@Irishmule169]

When will everyone understand it’s my life .. I’m not harming anyone , zero people are being harmed if I take a dose of fkn mushrooms.. these laws are unconstitutional period !!

[@discoveringthei]

Responding to Anti-Psychedelics: 1) One study found Microdosing doesn't work. Microdosing is a largely new concept, one I've never really understood how it would work, given what we know about Psilocybin. Psilocybin has one of the fastest tolerance builders ever. Every day you have to double your dose to get the effects of last days dose. If you start at two grams, by the end of the week you're eating pounds of dried shrooms to get the same effect as 2 grams. A threshold dose of Psilocybin is about .75 to 1 gram, 30 to 50 ug for lsd. the microdosing protocols that failed are .2 +/- .12 meaning some people were microdosing with .08 grams of Psilocybin. Correct Microdosing protocols are unknown. 2) Psychedelics aren't alcohol or cannabis. They are an entirely different creature and a business based around them will likely struggle if it's not allowed to sell something other than psychedelics. 8% of Americans have used Psychedelics once in their lifetime, only .5% have use them in a year. If you rightly take away MDMA (I'd argue Ketamine as well, but, it has hallucinogenic qualities, and the psychedelic community accepts it) then you drop down to .35% of people use psychedelics. Why is this important? His legalization creates commercialized business argument. Marijuana use nearly doubled and settled at about 85% yearly increase of use since legalization and if you go back 20 years, it's increased 150% monthly use, from 4 to 10%. Probably more now with the whole pandemic. 10% of America monthly is 30 million people. .35 increased 200% would see 1.05% of Americans using yearly. Monthly... we don't track, it's miniscule. A psychedelic trip last 6 to 12 hours depending on what you take. Unlike weed where you can taper. If you're going to truly experience the psychedelic, you're going to need to carve out a huge amount of time. Most people don't want to eliminate the total sense of self through an ego death trip. 3) Having a personal journeys is exactly that, personal. Using Psychedelics create experiences that transform people's lives. These are documented facts. Lower (threshold) Doses can be great for conversations with friends, intimate relations. But at the end of the day, the argument that matters most is that a Grown Adult shouldn't have some nanny state government telling him that he can't examine his consciousness, that he can't find a path in his own life for his own happiness. Let's be very clear. Psychedelics were banned, not because they posed a threat to society, not because people threw themselves from roof tops, but because Psychedelics make you question, they create the great doubt, they force you out of system thinking, and bring you to your own thoughts.

[@MrApplewine]

I detect a narcissistic temperament to the against side. It is directly perceivable.

[@gravel3635]

They made weak arguments wrapped up in loads of BS.

[@cordyone]

Microdosing is awesome, but tricky to standardize doses. Legalize it so we can buy microdose capsules.

[@Aliens-Are-Our-Friends2027]

stop microdosing. Start with 1g dried of magic mushrooms and contemplation. Work your way up to 1.5g, then 2g.. etc.

[@mefisto05s.20]

What about psychedelics being misused? They can be easily misused. Legalisation would mean easy access in large quantities.

[@Aliens-Are-Our-Friends2027]

@@mefisto05s.20 Anything can be misused. What about alcohol? .. Just give people education. The positive potential for psychedelics is astronomical

[@121aidan121]

@@mefisto05s.20 alcohol? Kills 100's of thousands. Tobacco? Kills even more. Psychadelics - 0 deaths from consumption. Alcohol and tobacco should be made illegal, look how much it ruins lives worldwide yet they're obtainable from every street on earth pretty much and encouraged amongst teens as if that's the norm. Psychadelics would help prevent smoking and drinking not to mention all the other benefits.

[@gravel3635]

@@mefisto05s.20 weak argument

[@ekaterinavalinakova2643]

The war on drugs was a failed experiment. Let the lessons of the past guide humanity forward in the centuries ahead. Legalization + Regulation is the right approach to psychedelics. You don't keep people safer by driving these drugs underground (which is what happens).

[@andrewspence9839]

if the psychedelic community ever wants to be taken seriously, they need to carry themselves seriously. Wear a suit next time you go to a debate. Everyone is looking at hippies crying about legalizing LSD cause you aren't dressed seriously. It's hurting our cause.

[@nataliezementbeisser1492]

the answer is YES

[@scottwalthour558]

So according to Kevin Sabet, since I believe in freedom, and think adults should be permitted to change their consciousness safely, privately, and peacefully, I'm not a good parent? Wow. I don't want my kids' lives ruined at all, including by the legal system if they decide someday to try something that Kevin Sabet (or the U.S. government or a state government) disapproves of.

[@187zide]

It’s 2am, I’m 15 years old, why am I watching this..

[@GrumpDog]

Jeff says his opinions come from his life experiences.. so he gets to have had those life experiences, but the rest of us don't? lol And who the heck does he think he is, to say the creativity or spirituality that comes from using them might be an illusion. What an absurd and just plain wrong thing to say. If someone becomes more creative from using it, and creates something beautiful after years of not being able too, that's not an illusion. If someone finds benefit in spiritual beliefs they formed from using it, that impact on their life is not an illusion. Jeff's narrow views should not define what the rest of us are allowed to try. Besides, regardless of the law, people are STILL gonna use these substances! The drug war FAILED, and that includes criminalization itself. (And so yes Kevin, this IS a debate about the war on drugs.) Rather than make them criminals for self-experimenting in ways humans have for thousands of years! The ONLY laws/regulations we should have, should be ways to ensure those people can do it safely. Psychedelics aren't even that addictive, compared to other drugs.. Most people only use them a few times, then never again. So Kevin's whole argument about corporations creating an addiction market, is just disingenuous nonsense. It can't be compared to legal drugs in that way.

[@jeremyarnold4798]

Dude if he actually had those experiences he clearly forgot what they were like over the last 40 years. Just like Alice. Also hes full of shit about their being no protocols for treatment. John's Hopkins has done many trials with psilocybin and has established protocols for what they do and who should and should not receive the treatment.

[@felswitch7512]

That woman is terrible at debating. Just claims everyone who disagreed is confused. Her unfocused ignorance is not what I come to IQ2 for. Disappointed they couldn’t find someone knowledgeable, mature and articulate to defend her position.

[@SkyRiver1]

At 52:00 . . . "Alcohol is not more harmful than heroin." This statement is scientifically and medically incorrect. The reason that heroin is more harmful than alcohol is entirely because of it's legal status and the medical view that bliss is of no clinical value other than as pain abatement, and the various social and medical malignancies arising from it. The real question is: Would there be more herion addicts than there are now, if they were supplied by the state and treated humanly?

[@user-nd8ml1vg1q]

I doubt this is true from an addiction potential standpoint but probably close when discussing total market size and prevalance. Alcohol is likely killing more people because of its market size and ease of procurement. Heroin is more dangerous from a neurological standpoint. My understanding is that the level of serotonin and dopamine surges inherent in heroin use trump alcohol by as much 100-1000%. This is what drives addiction via the use of opiod pharmaceuticals. In studies they have shown that over 5 doses of prescribed Oxycodon results in something close to a 50% likelihood of addiction. These kind of stats sprung up around the Purdue Pharma lawsuit. So are we now talking about a dosing situation? Does a "safer" dosage of heroin molecules produce the desired effect that recreational users are interested in? I would guess probably not. Btw, I am all for the responsible use of psychedelics, but all drugs are not the same.

[@connorbeveridge2006]

Its not fair to say one is more harmful than the other. It depends on the dose. There is a dose of heroin that is more harmful than alcohol and vice versa.

[@SquaredCircle777]

Also, the myriad impurities in street drugs like heroin and methamphetamine contribute strongly to their negative effects. I'm not necessarily advocating using either of these substances, however, the reason meth addicts' teeth are falling out and they have weeping sores has more to do with the fact that they're inadvertently ingesting toxic chemicals and heavy metals from their primitive chemical syntheses.

[@KevinUchihaOG]

@@user-nd8ml1vg1q The addiction rate of users is higher on heroin than on alcohol. You develop an addiction faster, that's for sure true. It's also alot easier to to overdose on heroin than on alcohol. But that said. Alcohol is more harmful to your body and it's organs for long term users. Alcohol pretty much attacks all the organs in your body. Heroin (if CLEAN, this is why OC mentioned it's legal status) doesnt really harm your body that much. Heroin for sure fucks your life up if you are addicted, but those problems are mostly due to your crippling addiction and the painful withdrawals you get. You can use heroin daily safely your entire life without causing bodily harm, samething cannot be said about alcohol (not talking about a glass of wine for dinner, i'm talking about drinking until you feel the effects).

[@SkyRiver1]

@@user-nd8ml1vg1q. They are similar from an addiction standpoint. Alcohol mimics opoids in a crude way. Actually alcohol is brutal to your body and causes cancer, liver problems, brain shrinkage, abusive and violent behavior and on and on. The reason that alcohol is legal and accepted and heroin is not is because the distillers in England lost most of their business to paragoric (tincture of opium) in the bad old days of the mines and industrial revolution. It was cheaper than booze and much better at relieving the slings and arrows of their pityful existence. The distillars had it made illegal in England and we followed suit to repress the Asians. Opoids causee easily controlled constipation, and a slight reversible deterioration of the dopamine reward system. If you are totally addicted to alcohol and you stop all at once you will probably die. If you do the same with heroin you will just have unpleasant withdrawal. Opioids are some of the most benign drugs for long term use, as long as it is pure and the administration is sterile. If a person gives up opoids because they were using them for pain and the pain has stopped there is often no withdrawal at all.

[@triple_gem_shining]

Thank you Rick

[@triple_gem_shining]

Thank you bia!

[@ricardodsavant2965]

Yes.

[@mimszanadunstedt441]

Guy arguing against: Has used them before, didn't go crazy on them, is educated, wanted to in the past go to jail for using it? Lol.

[@mimszanadunstedt441]

It being medicinal in any way proves it requires more study, and shouldn't be illegal legally speaking because the whole point of thme being illegal is because they weren't considered medicinal. Established methodology, theres plenty of reports online and there needs to be legalization for easier science. I agree on the spirituality thing slightly, delusions don't need to spread.

[@modalsurrealist]

I bought truffles in corner stores in Amsterdam. It's big business, and NBD.

[@modalsurrealist]

@Conner Fields Psilocybe Truffles My partner bought three different synthetic psychedelics from a store in Amsterdam. They were incredibly powerful. In a couple days here in Vancouver BC my sister and i are going to a Zoomers Dispensary, "Your Source For Shrooms". www.zoomersdispensary.com/?fbclid=IwAR3RlvUOi5k6cUAUDb9QW5zFSEm-PYw-0UbxVD-MC9Rr_sIXSzuJGF6Yhuo

[@jonhancock4926]

@@modalsurrealist I live in BC and have been looking for shrooms. Thank you for this!

[@maryivanchick4976]

Have it legal to sell Valium on the free market in drug stores without a prescription.

[@musicalarchitecture7875]

The Professor from Columbia said that psychedelics are not being explored rigorously? I’d like to understand more what he means by this because are double blind peer reviewed studies not rigorous? Interesting how all parties agreed on medical used, the merits of decriminalisation. Also interesting how the White House advisor was against legalisation because he thinks america cannot be trusted with commercialisation. Final point, I was a little embarrassed by Bia, the ‘only woman in the debate’. She seemed to hang very heavily off identity politics, too much. She did raise some very good points about the cultural movement in the west. Culture isn’t static like the other speakers would like you to think. We have our own rituals.

[@lolofosho3776]

When she started going on a rant about identity politics..ugh. I cant stand big pharma but damn would I like to be able to get unadulterated drugs 100% of the time amd if regulation and legalization would allow that to happen then I think I'm for it. I have taken a few bad rolls but the good ones make me wanna take the risk and....LSD is the best...its been too long!!

[@jaredstevens5382]

A healthy society does not demand legalized drugs. The fact that people across the world are trying to escape reality shows that secularism and humanism has failed mankind

[@jaredstevens5382]

@@felixluck9379 All of the drugs you named are not drugs that are used to escape reality. You can smoke a whole pack of cigarettes and drive a car or fly a plane. And you do not need psychedelic drugs to have a "spiritual experience". There are no pure reviewed studies that back up your claim.

[@musicalarchitecture7875]

Take a psychedelic and tell me if it’s escapism? Why do you assume all drugs have an escapism mechanism? The reason psychedelic therapy is promising is because it puts people more in touch with their feelings. Psychedelics are mood intensifiers - therefore if you hate your life, it’s not gonna help you escape. Psychedelics do provide spiritual experiences and insights about reality that people find transformative. Why? One reason is that psychedelics are assumptions loosening so you can see the world less tinted by environmental conditioning. You talk about peer reviewed studies but you clearly haven’t peered into the science of psychedelics.

[@blkyogi999]

Spot on.... this is sad

[@jimmyfuentes3914]

Psychedelics force you to view the world differently. They are no where NEAR escaping reality. They feel more real than reality itself. A healthy society would use these absolutely.

[@BigDadiShagi]

“but have u ever tried DMT?”

[@Mussi93]

Your mum!

[@TheFire-fq8fx]

Joe

[@BushyHairedStranger]

A concussion fueled Neanderthal?? Ohh you mean Joe Rogaine...

[@chickentoucher55]

I have found my people JRE

[@kbluuzy]

I just think the struggle is apart of life

[@N9mber]

Wtf was that intro, common IQ^2 I've watched you for years, leave that unfunny shit to late-night hosts.

[@b3makinn]

I’m all for psychedelics, but why do the advocates always look like burnouts?

[@blkyogi999]

😂😂... no need to ask, you know why that’s the case

[@Nick-zw7gg]

Because they are secure in themselves and dont have to impress others. Good advice is to be weary of people in suits. They are usually lying

[@CountZero78]

Soma for all.

[@giakendon2268]

Talking about "Opium in China". It was not original in China. Opium war was a drug war against drug dealers and we failed. It's now illegal in China, death sentence if you carry enough. It's also one of the reasons why we call that era "century of humiliation", junkies everywhere which was one of the reasons make the country weak.

[@wtf-losangeles-review]

It is enough just look at 2 people who for ..😢 ..they never fully comback

[@MrApplewine]

Brave New World is a cautionary tale. However I cannot say that is the future we will face with legal psychedelics. It certainly never existed in the thousands of years in the past as far as I know. We should certainly be on the look out for that and ensure it does not happen.

[@sevivarte]

Your certainly misinformed. Natural psycodelics have being use since the beginning of civilization. Do yourself a favor an check the work of Brian Muraresku. And remember that a brave new world is just half the story. The island is much more closely relate to what the psycodelic Renaissance shall be.

[@jimmyfuentes3914]

As far as you know, you don’t know as much as you thought. You’re also mislead on your findings about the past.

[@discoveringthei]

More thoughts on Kevin Sabat: The Most Dangerous Drugs Are The Legal Ones: That was the case, that isn't anymore. With the legalization of marijuana, we aren't seeing spikes yet in cancer, we aren't seeing any bigger problems (except more accidental doses, and the occasional hospital visit from overdoing it). His idea is that profit made tobacco and alcohol dangerous. This is ludicrous. Otherwise, he's promoting organic tobacco, which there are plenty, and yet, they don't show any better health measurements than the usual tobacco cigarettes. Science has tested this. Alcohol production is in marketing. All alcohol is determined by it's Alcohol Content, there are high alcoholic beverages, and low alcoholic beverages. The amount of alcohol you take into your body, whether purchased by a company, or purchased by a bootlegger, or made at home by yourself, will determine your level of intoxication and the damage on your body. There's no special drugs being put into alcohol for profit. Alcohol and Tobacco have always been dangerous drugs from the very beginning. Racism said that these are okay drugs, these drugs are what the good white people want, and the good white people wouldn't do illegal drugs. Then we had a problem when prohibition was ended. We had all these cops trained at breaking up people's parties and taking their substances away, and no illegal substances for them to do it. Well we had black and brown people we didn't like, so we changed the drug war from alcohol that was failed, to marijuana, heroin, cocaine, and eventually in the 1960's when LSD was being used by everyone, and they were coming away with a belief that war is bad, that love is the only thing that matters, and that they would go to prison before murdering and dying on the orders of their country. Then psychedelics came to be illegal. If you make poison legal, people will die from poisonings. You take too much nicotine and you can die. You take too much alcohol and you can die. These are all doses you can naturally get. Go grab a bunch of nicotine packs and put them on and you'll be dead. The truth is weed, psychedelics, aren't the same poison as nicotine and alcohol, and legalization doesn't make a drug more deadly. It often makes it far safer for consumption.

[@loganmilliken2727]

Oh, wow, u are from andrew heatons mostly weekly! Loved your shows.

[@beatlefan713]

What about that My Body, My Choice shit? That should go for anything not just abortion!!!

[@SaMettaAVL]

Enjoyed this watch! Who is this Sarah in the intro please? Loved the bit.

[@leafhappy]

Intelligence for squares ... nailed it.

[@121aidan121]

Lol that was the bit everyone else got pissed off with and skipped 🤣

[@Dan-cn2rj]

I skipped that shit so fast lol

[@b3makinn]

$TRIP $TRUFF to the moon 🚀 🌙 💎 🙌🏻

[@andrews3642]

Just like pot sir it will start as medical and then, well, just look at what's happening with that...

[@Lionsmaneisdangerous]

NOOO

[@maryivanchick4976]

Why don't they legalize benzocaine use to buy or get them with a prescription? Have the d e a leave the doctors alone prescribing benzodiazepines and leave the patients alone. 😅

[@Impaled_Onion-thatsmine]

no thats the whole point of psycchadelics... i had the best trip like i gave up everything to be nine year forever and that was the catch because its illegal

[@jean-baptistedupont5967]

30:10 - she is conflating "argument" with "victim card." Really not helping. What is she whining about? If you don't invite women to the panel, they cry. If you do invite them, they cry even more. And she is the only one who got loud and disrespectful, but somehow she loves her victimhood narrative. 😂😎👌

[@leafhappy]

As Peter Tosh sang, Legalize it yeah, yeah, and I'll advertise it.

[@hugechromepeach7916]

Intros too unbearable. Couldn't get passed it. Get rid of the normie monologue.

[@hellofranky99]

I really wish iq^2 videos had more views.

[@matejsteinhauser3974]

I would ban even cigarettes

[@prachisingh5042]

Kevin seemed only person with some IQ

[@blkyogi999]

I’m against this today and forever.... this is about capitalism.... stop monetizing addiction. And his dwelling is cluttered and a mess..guess psychedelics didn’t help with that Sir 😂😂

[@jonhancock4926]

This shows how uneducated the against side is. Psychedelics are not addictive. It is nearly impossible to get addicted to them. You cannot do a full dose of mushrooms two days in a row, they simply will have no effect.

[@121aidan121]

Such a fool. They've already monetized addiction - booze and smoking. alcohol? Kills 100's of thousands/year. Tobacco? Even more. Psychadelics - 0 deaths from consumption. Alcohol and tobacco should be made illegal, look how much it ruins lives worldwide yet they're obtainable from every street on earth pretty much and encouraged amongst teens as if that's the norm. Psychadelics would help prevent smoking and drinking not to mention all the other benefits.

[@jimmyfuentes3914]

You’re against psychedelics or the monetization of them?

[@DrSookie]

There is a huge difference between authorizing the use of hallucinogens to treat mental illness by MDs (who assume professional responsibility & must have malpractice insurance) and decriminalizing recreational/private use & experimentation. Anecdotal testimonials are fine for social opinionation but wholly insufficient for medicalization. Bad trips may not be lethal, but if 10% of emotionally distressed patients get worse or psychotic on psilocybin- how can this be 'managed?' In private experimentation, each individual takes responsibility for themselves. Even if they end up in an ER, there is no veneer of clear benefit/safety that is required before MDs can prescribe a substance. Justification for licensed legalization to assure quality vs black market impurity is a valid goal. Maybe the best solution is to have 'certified' manufacturers- like Organic food.

[@gravel3635]

So what. Sugar is a highly addictive highly destructive substance that can and does lead to death. So maybe don't feed your children sugary cereals every morning. Stop with the neurotic babble

[@NateAnderson69]

Yes.