International 4700 on Military Tires - 14.00R20s on 5 Ton Wheels

I bought some 5 ton wheels and tires to go on the truck. What do you think? Torque Multiplier I used: amzn.to/3KxVrI5
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International 4700 on Military Tires - 14.00R20s on 5 Ton Wheels
Another update on my farm truck tow rig. The upgrade gave me 10+ MPH top speed and should give me better gas mileage on the highway.
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[@SeidelRanch]

That torque multiplier was a life saver. I have 2 of them now; one in the International and one in my other truck's toolbox. This is the one I got from Amazon: amzn.to/3KxVrI5

[@bvr1962]

a 1/2 inch millwake M18 impact will remove them as well the TM is great for torquing them back to specs

[@ApacheRanch]

Those tires look great on that rig!

[@SeidelRanch]

Thanks. I think so too. I hope they give me better grip but I have not tried that out yet.

[@lorihartman1917]

Super interesting. My husband has truck-project envy. 😉

[@SeidelRanch]

I am sure we can find him some good projects. I am going to be welding up a flatbed for it sometime soon, so he can come help me with that.

[@wellaintthata5047]

Freakin monster truck that is. I expect a ride in that when you have it ready.

[@SeidelRanch]

I am sure you will get to try it soon.

[@CraigRoberts-km4us]

I recently purchased the 4700 but with the dt466 and trying to figure out what tires to put on it. So thanks for posting this. Thanks.

[@SeidelRanch]

Glad I could help!

[@whitefreeman5798]

i think it is a great looking truck that would be next level with a dually bed set up on it

[@SeidelRanch]

I wanted to put a bed on it, but the sides would be too high to tow 5th wheel or gooseneck. Thinking a flat plate over the frame now.

[@mightymike7633]

Love these trucks I have a 99 with 54 military tires on mine made a lift for it

[@SeidelRanch]

Nice. I was thinking about doing a small lift on it. I need to do that or trim the fenders. If I turn real hard the tire rubs the steering box a little.

[@noexp7710]

I don’t need a truck like this at all but I like it.

[@SeidelRanch]

Thanks. I have a lot of plans but very little time. Will see how it goes.

[@bvr1962]

sweet looking ride I drive mine daily I bought it from baskin truck sale TN and put new battery's in and drove it home 1500 miles after sitting for 6 plus years

[@SeidelRanch]

Nice. I am hoping this will last me forever.

[@bvr1962]

@@SeidelRanch it should and there are lots of parts for them

[@anthonyned7947]

I have the same truck, looking to do a similar upgrade. Hopefully it will come out as good as yours did.

[@SeidelRanch]

Thanks. I have a lot planned for this truck but lately time has been an issue. Hope yours comes out great. Keep me updated on it.

[@anthonyned7947]

I sure will, thanks for replying to me!!

[@HeritageFarmsTexas]

Noticed you stopped by our channel. Just repaying the favor and glad I did! Great content. New follower here. That truck is a beast. Really cool. What is the plan for the bed? Flat bed?

[@SeidelRanch]

Thanks for stopping by. Found your channel when I was searching for something and liked it also. I plan on welding up a custom flatbed that has some underbody toolboxes. I mainly want it to be a tow rig that can carry all my tools with it. Somewhat a toy also.

[@granch4211]

Super cool old school awesome job yes you should get a mile or 2 better on fuel mileage sell them stock tires

[@SeidelRanch]

Thanks. I still have the old tires on pallets. I do think I am going to sell them.

[@SkylinersYeti]

I own a 2000 4700 with a flat bed that I use to tow my travel trailer. I haul a 4 X4 on the flat bed. Like those tires. Mine sucks in the mud and sand.

[@SeidelRanch]

Yeah, I used it for a little bit on the ranch and it would get stuck in wet grass with the standard highway tires. That is no longer an issue. 😋

[@kylejudge1902]

a 120 gallon tank?! im suscribing to see this build continue.

[@SeidelRanch]

Cool. Thanks for checking out the channel! I will get more posted soon.

[@kylejudge1902]

@@SeidelRanch This is giving me all kinds of ideas 🤘🏼

[@SeidelRanch]

@@kylejudge1902 Do you have the same truck?

[@kylejudge1902]

@@SeidelRanch I think I might have to get one if I can find a crew cab one. Would be awesome for hauling hay and trailers

[@SeidelRanch]

@@kylejudge1902 I see. Yeah, that was why I bought mine. I wanted to stop beating up my fancy trucks and have a beast to do whatever in.

[@sawdustadikt979]

That looks great! I’m looking to get into one of the 4700 crew cabs myself. Would you mind sharing how much those wheels and tires cost? I heard they wear out quick because they are such soft rubber there is a cost for good grip. Can you get the military tires retreaded? I googled it before but the answer was not straight forward.

[@SeidelRanch]

I got these wheels and tires off craigslist for about $1000. They were used and came off a 5 ton truck. New ones will cost you a lot more. So far they have held up well but I have not put a lot of miles on it. I don't know about the retread. I will probably just look for some military surplus instead of doing retreads, but I am hoping they do not wear out too fast. If they wear out really quick I will probably go with a longer life tire next.

[@sawdustadikt979]

@@SeidelRanch thank you for getting back to me! I’ll go the used route like you, I’m not afraid of some elbow grease and paint. Can’t wait to get one of these rigs.

[@desertclimbers]

@seidelranch what series 5 ton did those wheels come off? I know there are several versions of wheels, from lmtv to mrap, etc. Those actually look great!

[@SeidelRanch]

I am not sure what 5 ton those came off of. I bought them from someone that already had them off. These are 5 ton wheels that have the bud style pattern.

[@abrahamrubal1218]

I run these tires on my truck, and I'm on my 3rd set. The highest mileage I have been able to reach on a set is 25K miles.

[@SeidelRanch]

That is good to know, thanks. Most of the driving I have done with these have been on the property and not the street.

[@viktorfalstadt4946]

25k isn't too bad, that's like 3-4 years for me.

[@drewcrew3298]

The truck is really looking good. Are you going to just put a flatbed on the back?

[@SeidelRanch]

Yes I am. I am going to build my own custom one because I want it to really fit the truck well.

[@abcdfamily4486]

That truck looks awesome. I can't wait to see how it shapes up. What kind of gas mileage does that thing get?

[@SeidelRanch]

Yeah, I can't wait to get further along on it. I will video my journey and post it as I can. It did get about 6-7 mpg but I am assuming it will get better now with these tires.

[@bvr1962]

@@SeidelRanch i got 10 mpg coming back running 50mph

[@SeidelRanch]

@@bvr1962 I hope I can get 10+. Have not drove it enough yet to get a good test.

[@jamesmorgan6782]

Why don’t you pu a extra 2 inch block to slightly lift front?

[@jamesmorgan6782]

Cool looking truck, awesome.

[@viktorfalstadt4946]

one more quick question: can you do a measurement for me? the full outside width of the super singles. don't have mine yet but i did find some. i'm trying to get an idea of how wide my flatbed will need to be to cover the rear tires. thanks.

[@SeidelRanch]

I will measure them the next time I am out there (hopefully I remember).

[@hobbes4star]

Did you have to use a spacer for the rear? I have a 4300 that I am thinking about doing this to.

[@SeidelRanch]

Not with these military rims. Fronts VS rears are just turned around. Even the lug nuts worked on them (although I am going to get some better lug nuts for it).

[@southerndiesels]

so did they end up clearing? I've seen companies somehow run 16.00R20s on these trucks before, not sure what modifications they did but it looks amazing

[@SeidelRanch]

Yes, they run on it fine. I had to trim the small part of the fender in the back but other than that they work great. If you turn all the way hard the tire just starts to rub the steering gearbox. I have a plan for that though.

[@csnider5]

What did you have to do to keep them from rubbing the gear box?

[@danclark6748]

The tires look good, do you know what the wheel offset is?

[@SeidelRanch]

I don't, but I do know the fronts and rears line up pretty much perfect. Whatever offset it is, it's evened out from front to rear.

[@CTS2469]

Was there a big difference in the offset vs the 22.5s or do they sit about the same?

[@SeidelRanch]

The fronts sit wider than the 22.5s did, but the back is a little bit slimmer. They line up now in the front and the back.

[@nate4036]

Military also had an aluminum bead lock for dual rear wheel trucks. Option if you ever want to get 4 tires under the rear.

[@SeidelRanch]

That would look awesome. I will look that up.

[@nate4036]

@@SeidelRanch just look up MRAP dually wheels. They’re the 10x285 bolt pattern (semi truck), I’m about positive yours is as well. It’s a big International truck. They ran fat tire front and standard rear.

[@justjames8383]

Well how's it going? Btw do you know exactly what model those tires came off of? Do you pack enough way to be able to make them tires get traction? Have you thought about putting a locking rear differential under the truck?

[@SeidelRanch]

I don't know the exact machine they were on, I just was told they are for a 5 ton military truck. The truck use to get stuck in wet grass in my pasture. Now, it does not even spin a tire. These tires seems to really grab in well on dirt. The truck weighs over 10k lbs, so I think it will be good. I was thinking if I have any traction issues in the future I might go that route and 4x4.

[@justjames8383]

I'm going to do the same thing to a GMC t6500 cabover box truck chassis except I'm going to make it into a overlander. I'm thinking the tires and wheels you got came from an LMTV like an m1079. I was just hoping for confirmation lol. They definitely are the same as what I'm going to use. But anyhow good job Glad they're working for you can't wait to see it when you're completely finished with everything

[@SeidelRanch]

@@justjames8383 Sounds awesome. Hoping to get some time this summer to get back into getting this thing built. Good luck on your build and keep me updated. Thanks.

[@nolanmailhos1470]

Good job man. I'm looking at Old grain trucks. And was curious if military tires would fit.

[@SeidelRanch]

Many of the military trucks are made from road trucks so you can probably find something that will fit or adapters that will convert them.

[@chrisdansereau6094]

How is the ride in then? I've been considering doing this with my F750. (Which I got when a crew cab international fell through. Same platform though).

[@SeidelRanch]

The ride on this truck is not great at all, but it did improve with the tires. This has spring axles and no shocks so its pretty bumpy. The tires of course have some give vs the 22.5s I had. It definitely got better for mine.

[@chrisdansereau6094]

@@SeidelRanch Good to know! Thanks for the feedback. I'll likely go with the slightly smaller MT/V tires myself, but I'm happy to hear about the improvement. (Yeah, the F750 is the same suspension setup. Miserable, but it's getting shocks at all 4 corners and removing some leaves both in NOV. I'm hoping that suspension overhaul and some larger dia tires might help out the ride... and as a bonus it'll address the high RPMs for me as well.)

[@SeidelRanch]

@@chrisdansereau6094 Awesome. Let me know how that goes. I was planning on the same update.

[@RuggedCoastExplorers]

Hello, could you share an update? I am interested in fuel consumption before and after installing the tires? I ask I am about to delve into the same concept.

[@SeidelRanch]

Pulling the mileage went down, but empty the mileage went up. I can do 70 now without issue (even thought the tires are 55 mph max).

[@LabiaLicker]

How did the fuel economy turn out after installing hahah. At least they look good

[@SeidelRanch]

I have not pulled anything with it since then, but I am expecting for the pulling mileage to go down. Highway mileage has went up. I am getting about 10 - 15% more gas mileage out of it so far. Of course the gearing on it was pretty low so this is helping that.

[@terrychandler3969]

Where did u get the tires

[@SeidelRanch]

I got them from a guy on craigslist. He got them with a trailer at a military auction.

[@bvr1962]

have you had any water leak thru the seam in roof

[@SeidelRanch]

I don't think so but I have not pulled the headliner down. I have some plans to redo some cab work and will check that out. Does yours leak?

[@bvr1962]

@@SeidelRanch yes mine started after a couple good deep freezes I plan on using 5200 to reseal it

[@cpt.moroni3092]

Which 5 ton wheels do we get we need these for one of our fire trucks.

[@SeidelRanch]

I am not sure there are many types. These were just called 5 ton military wheels. They are 20" 2 piece wheels that fit right on the truck's budd wheel style hubs.

[@EricBoudle]

Where can I get those tires ? Those would look great on my 1987 International S1854 4x4.

[@SeidelRanch]

Usually you have to get them from military surplus auctions, but if you check eBay, Craigslist or Marketplace you will probably find some.

[@EricBoudle]

@@SeidelRanch Thanks !!!

[@EricBoudle]

My S1854 4x4 was a Navy truck. 1987, 9 Liter V8 Diesel, no rust anywhere, Rustproofed,15K miles, 5 speed , Detroit Lockers front and rear. Picked it up for $9K during the peak of the pandemic. It's like brand new !!!

[@bvr1962]

those look like split rims are they legal for commercial use I know in Maine were I live they are not legal on smaller trucks like 1/2 ton and such but we have a very stringent inspection process

[@SeidelRanch]

I am going to be using this for farm use only so I think I am ok in Texas. I have not seen anything about split rims for commercial use here but I will look it up.

[@bvr1962]

@@SeidelRanch i am going to ask commercial vehicle enforcement to see if I can use them plus without duels its cheaper tolls

[@SeidelRanch]

@@bvr1962 Good luck. Cheaper tolls, man. I thought it was bad here but it's per axle here not per tire.

[@williamhalepaska3876]

@@SeidelRanch What part of Texas you from?

[@SeidelRanch]

@@williamhalepaska3876 Have lived in the central Texas area outside of Austin for most of my life.

[@eastkywelding]

Hey what would you have to do in order to run duals in rear

[@SeidelRanch]

These wheels could probably do it, but the tires would rub I think. I would expect you have to go with a smaller size tire.

[@eastkywelding]

@@SeidelRanch gotcha thanks

[@viktorfalstadt4946]

i'm looking to do this on mine too. 99 crewcab dt466e/allison 545, same bed length. if anyone else is out there like me and they have the 19.5" wheels swap them out asap. they're hard to find on the used market (at least near me) if you ever need a spare. 22.5 and 24.5 are everywhere though if you've got those and haven't gotten around to the swap yet. so where did your rpms end up at 60/65 mph? did your mileage improve and if it did what do you estimate the savings were? are you getting a better ride from the larger super singles or is it still a violent slamming machine like mine is? i have air ride seats and can still find potholes that will launch me into the roof.

[@SeidelRanch]

Nice, you have a dt466e. If this 444 dies I am going to put one of those in it. I have not gotten to drive it much but the RPMs dropped nicely with the new tires. I could not even hit 70mph before them. Now I can probably hit 80 if I tired. The tires though are 55 mph max speed rated, so I keep it around that. The ride is better but still not great. These springs are going to rattle my eyes out. I want to put bags on it but it may be better to just fine a different truck already setup the way I want. I have heard people like the 24.5s.

[@viktorfalstadt4946]

mine will do 70 right now but not sure how much more. i'm in the process of moving right now so i'm in money saving mode (again). all i wanted to do was finish my flatbed, swap tires/wheels and throw a stereo in it. seems like i'm never gonna be in a position to finish any of my projects anytime in the near future.@@SeidelRanch

[@SeidelRanch]

@@viktorfalstadt4946 I hear that. Seems like my life story. Hope your move goes well.

[@vyshus7629]

Hello there! Is there a way to lift these trucks for offroad?

[@SeidelRanch]

Sure. This one is 2wd, but there are 4wd versions and people do that.

[@vyshus7629]

@@SeidelRanch thanks for replying. Its really hard to find any information online because all the results are about pickups. What are these types of trucks called? Do you know any place or website where I can get these mods done? thanks again.

[@SeidelRanch]

@@vyshus7629 Look for "medium duty" trucks. That's the most common name. They are pretty much semi trucks but single axle in the back. There are some groups on Facebook focused just on these type of trucks.

[@kennethwinter5665]

I am looking at a similar truck.. a 1995 4800 with DT466. I would love to speak to you about your build.. Please contact me.. I would love to ask questions.. What kid of road speed will you make with these wheels???

[@SeidelRanch]

I was at 60-65 max mph. Now I am at 70-75 max mph.

[@omarvillasaez7914]

How much is the insurance on the truck?

[@SeidelRanch]

I have just liability on it and it's $500 a year.

[@TraveladvRajanSRai]

Needs smaller. Hood not match

[@SeidelRanch]

Yeah, I am going to trim the wheel wells to make it look cleaner.

[@TraveladvRajanSRai]

Wont u turn. U wont afford gas

[@SeidelRanch]

Actually it still turns great and the gas milage has went up. Now towing it may drop a lot. Have to see.