Internationalization: The Thirty Years War Grows into a European Catastrophe 1620-1623 (Pt. 3)

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[@gabrielvanhauten4169]

nice

[@DrWatson610]

If I had one florin for every time Bavaria oportunistically joins a major conflict in Europe to gobble up huge swathes of land without having to return it afterwards, I'd have 2 florins. Which isn't a lot but it's weird that it happened twice.

[@Thraim.]

Step 1: Gobble up land Step 2: Complain that the people from the new land aren't "true" Bavarians Step 3: ??? Step 4: Profit

[@golem5809]

@@Thraim. Saxony: Surprised Picachuface^^

[@alexmiller2089]

Von Doofenschmirz of Bayern lol

[@dersuddeutschesumpf5444]

Tell me about it. Franconia forever 😢

[@ChevyChase301]

If I had a florin every time Bavaria was in a position to become a European great power in alliance with the strongest continental states but being dragged into global conflict where they couldn’t perform and lost because of their alliances I would have um 2 maybe 3 florins? I’m referring to war of Spanish succession and war of Austrian succession but ig 30 years war could be included also since Bavaria almost became the hre but maxamillian didn’t want it.

[@Raadpensionaris]

The Dutch and harboring German exiles. A story as old as time. From Frederick V to Wilhelm II

[@buninparadise9476]

bullshit

[@mariushunger8755]

Frederick was born in a hunting lodge and stuck with spending money for leisure. When he received war funds from King James VI of Scotland and England he built a palace instead of getting an army.

[@mihovilraboteg6160]

10 000iq move

[@MyVanir]

Dude was investing in the future of his realm, truly a giant of intellect.

[@gerharddeusser9103]

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[@kingcotton659]

Based

[@420JackG]

Respect the grift

[@etiennesharp]

Had forgotten how much trying to follow the twists and turns of the Thirty Years' War gave me headaches :) Thanks for breaking it down into smaller chunks!

[@andreascovano7742]

0:18 DAMN. Nevermind white mountain. Frederick will never recover from a burn such as this!

[@Mude-wv9bj]

12:13 It's crazy that my 12.000 inhabitants hometown is mentioned in such a video. But the name is "Ladenburg" not "Landenburg" and it was, as pounted out at 14:42 completely plundered by Mansfeld which marked the end of it's importance in the region.

I loved the format with which you explained this video, everything well summarized and objectively explained, means that this will be one of your best series on the channel. This phase is the one that is least commented on in the other KZbin videos on the subject, just like the Danish one, so you did an excellent job; I would have liked to see the Battle of Fleurus (1622) as well, but since it was a fight outside the Holy Roman Empire, it makes sense that it was only mentioned (plus it is usually included as part of the 80 Years War, being a theme apart), but on the other hand, I welcome the fact that the other battles in this phase have been explained, since they are less well-known and that makes them more interesting, at the same time that it makes many characters stand out, such as Tilly, Mansfeld, Córdoba, etc. Ferdinand II of Habsburg made a big mistake at the end of this phase, his stupidity prolonged a war that could have been finished at that very moment if he had been lenient with the losers (he made the same mistake as Charles V several decades ago). =/

[@gregorylittle1461]

Thanks

[@SJ23982398]

It seems so many defeats could be avoided by proper scouting.

[@Wolf_Larsen]

Summon the elector counts, SandRhoman has dropped another video!

[@muhammadfarhanfadillah32]

What a great in depth topic, i hope you could continue making this topic

[@SandRhomanHistory]

more to come!

[@ofallmyintention9496]

This was fantastic. I love the style and flow of this video and I always like Thirty Years' War as a topic.

[@54032Zepol]

Awesome🎉 another great video! Keep up the great work can't wait for more of you're content

[@SandRhomanHistory]

Thank you! More to come!

[@ronin47-ThorstenFrank]

For someone living in the area (between Heidelberg, Darmstadt and Aschaffenburg) and being interested in history I already knew a lot of the stuff presented. But seeing it in context is something completely different. Thx from a long time follower.

[@clintmoor422]

Gabor Bethlen is really not doing anything ever, is he? He is just kinda there too. Went along with the ride but was entirely unimportant.

[@verde629]

You’re the best when it comes to the 16th and 17th centuries in Europe. Such an interesting mix of armies with the use of armor and firearms at the same time.

[@Kierkergaarder]

God damn that was complicated... but frickin great! Thanks for this as always

[@magellantv]

Thank you for this awesome video!

[@gabrielvanhauten4169]

are you the real account?

[@magellantv]

@@gabrielvanhauten4169 Yup!

[@JmbFountain]

Interesting fact. The tree line where the imperial troops from Nürnberg and Würzburg stood at the battle of Wimpfen is still pretty much exactly in the same position, and it's where we camped at the 400 years anniversary of the battle.

[@shawnparadise6504]

Thanks a lot your vids are great.

[@SandRhomanHistory]

Glad you like them!

[@LucaRiccardi-h2c]

Spain was literally everywhere lol

[@MichaelJones-ss6ts]

Very informative. Thank you.

[@SandRhomanHistory]

Thanks for watching!

[@ArtilleryAffictionado1648]

A complete masterpiece!! It's great to see the evolution of this channel.

[@amtmannb.4627]

Thank you for including the combat at Waidhaus and the battle of Mingolsheim. I wrote about Mingolsheim at our blog and described it differently. But I think that the battle is more complex then Wimpfen and White Mountain to reflect in a short time. Great video. I love your way to use contemporary paintings in your own artwork.

[@gabrielvanhauten4169]

brilliantly explained much that i did not know

[@zetectic7968]

Very interesting! Thanks for your efforts. Protestants no unified command & a lack of co-ordination. River crossings always a hazardous undertaking especially if you don't know where the enemy is. Looking forward to the next episode 😀

[@timsonnenberg6977]

A whole 7 days after upload, KZbin finally manages to put this in my feed. Anyways, great video, always amazed with the quality and character!

[@Balthasar_Gelt]

great video i read Herfried münklers book about the Thirty Years war and i love your sreies,it is especially great if your new to it you really go into deatail

[@MegaBouzigue]

Hey man, great vid as always, been a fan of your work for quite some time and I was wondering whether a series specifically centered around the lives of the great military minds of the 16-17th century (Gustavus Adolphus, Turenne, Condé, Maurits of Nassau etc.) was something you'd consider doing ?

[@SandRhomanHistory]

Yeah, we’re thinking about that!

[@ArtilleryAffictionado1648]

​@@SandRhomanHistory don't forget Prince Rupert of the Rhine, one of the most amazing commanders of the century

[@johnschlong5826]

Yessss more content 👍👍👍👍

[@LuLu-ip4zb]

The biggest city in Baden today Karlsruhe, near Knielingen as mentioned in the video didnt exist back then closeby there is Durlach (today part of Karlsruhe).

[@bigsarge2085]

Incredible!

[@mihovilraboteg6160]

No mustache or beard worth of mention...damn poor Fred

[@ravinraven6913]

very nicely done, thanks for the video of good info.

[@notalecguinness3221]

Not a good time to be alive in my home region, the Palatinate ...the Spanish in Frankenthal, the Bavarians in Heidelberg, later shortly interrupted by a Swedish occupation and finally complemented by the French in Philippsburg. All these soldiers forcing you to supply them or outright pillaging and murdering. Not easy to survive. But seen from today, a fascinating history!

[@brokenbridge6316]

Nicely done video

[@SandRhomanHistory]

Thanks for the visit

[@brokenbridge6316]

@@SandRhomanHistory---Your welcome. I often find your video's to be very interesting and informative.

[@victorydaydeepstate]

I love these videos. Bravo!

[@mk6022]

And it all started with three guys tossed out of a window 🙄

[@OhioDan]

Nothing beats defenestration.

[@Cdre_Satori]

onto a dungpile and going house next door to tattle :D Nobody does defenestrations like Praguans

[@shawnbeckett1370]

Awesome as always

[@SandRhomanHistory]

Thank you! Cheers!

[@Noobfantasy]

Thank you for the nice enlightening videos.

[@SandRhomanHistory]

Glad you like them!

[@alexanderrichmond5890]

KZbin needs more content like this keep up the good work :)

[@thewheezychieftain5488]

These videos are a lot of fun.

[@noone4700]

I’m addicted to this Thirty Years War content

[@SandRhomanHistory]

glad to hear it!

[@MyMan321]

Like you other videos. Love this series so far

[@SandRhomanHistory]

Glad you enjoy it!

[@johanderuiter9842]

We Dutchies stood alongside our German protestant brothers 👍 as they stood with us in our 80 year war against Spain.

[@JulesXu]

Contra España? No había muchos españoles al servicio del rey en Flandes, la mayoría obviamente, eran valones católicos, pero es no son tus hermanos verdad? Solo hay que ver que hicisteis con ellos. Aquello no fue una guerra de independencia contra los españoles, fue una rebelion contra el soberano legitimo que se enquisto en una guerra de civil entre los católicos fieles la rey de España y los protestantes rebeldes que paoyaban a las provincias holandesas. Si, los tercios subieron con españoles, pero la mayoría eran alemanes o italianos, y hubo gobernadores y oficiales españoles, pero cuántos hubo de Italia, valones o bávaros? Al rey católico lo servían multitud de nacionalidades, y en Flandes la.mayoria de los que luchaban por el de castellanos tenían poco, como es obvio. Cada país tiene su propaganda histórica por diferentes motivos, y entiendo que en el mito de fundacion holandés por ejemplo,aucha contra el invasor español es importante y tal, pero en un canal especializado como este, estaría bien que pudiésemos observar los hechos históricos de una forma más amplia y objetiva y no hacerlo de forma simplista y viéndolo con los ojos de hoy y los sentimientos nacionales de hoy en día.

[@sarahsidney1988]

Cool video and great topic

[@SandRhomanHistory]

Thanks!

[@Jesse_Dawg]

Please more videos. I love these

[@SandRhomanHistory]

more to come!

[@philjohnson1744]

This is lovely.

[@Ciech_mate]

I'm Polish, I don't know what nationality you are. I would like to say that I like to think I am pretty good at History. I am astutely aware of my birthcountries border history with countries like Germany and Russia. I am also aware of people being misinformed about this and also having a personal opinion/bias. To conclude I trust everything you say that I don't know about history. This is because you have always handled the subjects relevant to me with great care, professionalism and truth. They match up with what I know. Thank you for your videos. Much respect x

[@Spiderfisch]

22:14 States Rights to what?! ......Oh wait this isnt the Civil war

[@eldorados_lost_searcher]

Well, it kinda is, just not the American one. But to answer the question: In this instance, a right to self determine what form of Christianity to adhere to.

[@Nickname-hier-einfuegen]

Yeah, there's no right to be a heretic.

[@lukaswilhelm9290]

The Germans always resist centralization to this day, only during NS era that they actually living in centralized state.

[@Tjalve70]

@@eldorados_lost_searcher A lot of Americans seem to think there is only ONE civil war. Whereas people from most other countries are wondering which civil war in their country you are referring to.

[@MarktheRude]

Thirty years war is such a convoluted mess.

[@gm2407]

I always think of upper to mean north and lower to mean south. Nice of the HRE to make it east and west. Also Saxony moving east from being west 5 centuries earlier. I need to pay careful attention to not get confused by the geography and titles of the German nobility and regions.

[@SNWWRNNG]

"Upper" and "lower" usually refers to the elevation of the land here; the mountainous regions are "up", the flat regions are "low". Even today there is the German state of Lower Saxony in the north German flatlands (named after the earlier Saxons you mentioned; the current anthem of Lower Saxony mentions Widukind, the Saxon leader of the resistance against Charlemange ) northwest of Saxony, and the region of Lower Bavaria is north of the more alpine Upper Bavaria. It shows how we modern people look at the world through maps with cardinal directions in mind, while the people back then only had the perspective of their own eyes.

[@blede8649]

Meanwhile in Egypt "upper" means south, "lower" is north (referring to the flow of the Nile, Upper Egypt is upstream, Lower Egypt is the delta region).

[@petrhouzar9551]

also Lower Austria is in the north-east part of the country. But I was confused by that too when I was young. I even remember we learned about Upper Egypt in school and no one clarified why it is called Upper Egypt when it is in south...

[@lukaswilhelm9290]

Hint: the closer it to the see usually it is "lower" in name.

[@Tjalve70]

I think the general idea is that "upper" means "upper", and "lower" means "lower". Elevation is a known concept. You could try to learn about it. Back then, rivers were important. And I am pretty certain that in most (or maybe all) situations, there will be a river, usually a navigable river, flowing from "Upper Xxx" to "Lower Xxx".

[@kamilszadkowski8864]

I have a growing suspicion that the cossacks you are mentioning in the video are in fact not cossacks. To be honest I know they are not cossacks and you are in fact referring to Lisowczycy cavalry sent by Sigismund. But otherwise, it is a great video. Can't wait for the next part.

[@Spectre1776]

Such a great channel just curious how close are y'all to 600 a month in support and donations

[@SandRhomanHistory]

450/600 at the moment!

[@gregorixo]

Nice work on the animated rooster.🐓

[@KimFareseed]

18:34 to 18:35 What was up with the subtitles there? Was a section of the video cut in editing?

[@SandRhomanHistory]

yeah that was cut. probably some error in the audio or we deemed unnecessary.

[@peterw9006]

So…. The 30 year war was about state’s rights?!

[@PannkakaMedSylt]

Well, it was about Protestants VS Catholics at it's core, but also about power struggle as usual, most wars tend to have multiple reasons. Holy Roman Empire was not a complete unified nation, it was a combined rule of multiple states and the split between Protestants VS Catholics evaporated the little unity they shared, some fought for their right to their religious belives, others used the situation to grow personal power/influence, and the habsburg sought to secure their dominance and become a more solidified absolute ruler of the empire. You can compare it to USA in a lot of ways, with how each state had more otomoty earlier, the war was similar to the civil war of USA just different reasons for a war, and habsburg line tried to make the Holy Roman Empire more into a single nation that they had absolute control over rather then minor power over.

[@greyfells2829]

Sort of. It was a conflict mainly driven by a north-German desire to oppose the more powerful south-Germans without directly opposing the emperor. The religious aspect is overemphasized. Much like the crusades, religion was just a convenient excuse for weaker nobles to grab more wealth and influence. This is why Catholic France and Sunny Ottomans supported the protestants, to erode the power of Austria and Spain, and further divide their enemies.

[@samwill7259]

It's always a bad sign when you get remembered by history as a fuck up enough to get a nickname. Because that shit STICKS

[@lamename2010]

At 9:05 or so, when speaking of Germersheim, you missed the first r and said Gemersheim.

[@ghgjkklf9340]

Yes!!

[@modero6370]

For better understanding from a German point of view: back then there was no Germany or Germans. There were Prussians, Saxons etc. The whole idea of being German seemed to have evolved after the catastrophe of the 30 years war. The Germanic tribes spoke related languages but often enough could barely understand each other. The idea of a German state came again much much later. "Germans" viewed each other as different as North American tribes.

[@Person0fColor]

How terribly mundane and pedestrian

[@niwa_s]

That's nonsense. References to "German" or "Germans" are found long before the 30 years war. The concept of "being German" did not spontaneously materialise out of thin air. Don't confuse the fairly modern invention of nation states with feelings of identification/connection based on shared traits.

[@WhenDoesTheVideoActuallyStart]

In it's early days, the Holy Roman Empire was treated as a composite realm or personal union between the Kingdoms of Germany, Italy, Bohemia, and Burgundy. One of the titles of late East Francian kings and early Holy Roman Emperors (E.g. Ottonians) was that of Rex Teutonicum, King of the Germans.

[@G0TIMAN]

3:37 polish south border looks kinda strange

[@krazownik3139]

In case of those dots on the modern-day Slovakia: Zastaw Spiski. Those were the cities, which hungarian king gave away to the polish one at the beginning of the 15th century as a pledge for the money he borrowed. But the lease was never payed, so those cities stayed in Polish hands until the first partition.

[@G0TIMAN]

@@krazownik3139 ta, mam na myśli granicę z austrią/węgrami

[@thewidow7864]

Britney Spears was clearly inspired by the 30 years wars when she wrote "toxic" (?)

[@Boxghost102]

"Opposed by an ambitious young man named Wallenstein...." dun DUN DUNNNN!!!

[@karlkarlos3545]

Don't know why he calls him "Waldstein" though.

[@Boxghost102]

@@karlkarlos3545 Might be a translation difference. Probably how its spelled in the original German while Wallenstein is an English bastardization.

[@karlkarlos3545]

@@Boxghost102 No, he is only Wallenstein in German.

[@SandRhomanHistory]

his name was indeed Waldstein, historiography has always called him Wallenstein though.

[@karlkarlos3545]

@@SandRhomanHistory The more you learn... thanks.

[@raginald7mars408]

We are right there again when more Forces enter and no way to STOP Total War total destruction Hate for Generations

[@Jacbtheguy547]

when is the next one

[@Chrissz2202]

The chicken animation 🤌🤌

[@420JackG]

I'm sure Christian the Younger was really into chivalry, lol.

[@clasdauskas]

Absolutely nothing to do with Elizabeth having been a babe, and a great catch...

[@420JackG]

@@clasdauskas That's a really dangerous game to play, though. The risks historical people took knowing that they very may well literally get medieval on your ass are mind-boggling. Especially considering that most people who make the history books from this era were generally men and women of relative leisure. I mean, can you imagine our contemporary managerial class risking public disembowlement for anything?

[@napoleonibonaparte7198]

Just like when you've fought a bigger army in Mount and Blade and you lose everything from suffering a string of defeats and forced to fight for another faction for coin.

[@hashimbokhamseen7877]

0:20 he fell of with the facial hair insult. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 we still use them in the arab world as a complement and an insult.

[@Thraim.]

Holy shit, that's lots of people doing lots of stuff with lots of shifting alliances. It's a miracle the HRE lasted as long as it did.

[@gabrielvanhauten4169]

true. it was quite a messy war.

[@oye4511]

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[@ghgjkklf9340]

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[@hugojaime9565]

This is why Freemasons had to destroy the Spanish Empire from within , the Spanish Empire when United is simply unstoppable.

[@ChevyChase301]

Freemasons? You mean the Spanish monarchy being the greatest tyrany ever? In 1558 catholic Germans were so tired of Spanish depravations that they banned them from their lands

[@Solitary_Scribe55]

Yep. Just like they did to the Romanovs/Russia 300 years later.

[@hugojaime9565]

@@Solitary_Scribe55 They got them too ? 😂 how many empires have these mfs destroyed ?

[@Solitary_Scribe55]

@@hugojaime9565 All of them I think.

[@atryan1125]

@@Solitary_Scribe55Damn i love Freemasons now

[@lerneanlion]

Again, if Sultan Osman II decided to launch his own Siege of Vienna instead of going to battle against the Commonwealth of Poland and Lithuania, the Ottoman Empire will officially joined the Thirty Years' War and might actually seized Vienna and held it for a few generations.

[@JulesXu]

Yeah, sure..

[@uploader-de7614]

GeRmersheim not Gemersheim, my dear Swiss friends. Ts ts ts Or if you wanna go local: 's Germersche 😏

[@martjnmao6808]

Always thought he said Gamers' Heim

[@LudosErgoSum]

"Emperor Palatine" is all I can think off😬

[@mauriceupton1474]

The Swedes helped end the 30 years war

[@Staszk01]

Sweden prolonged the war by 18 years.

[@terry7907]

Yes, by losing.

[@generaltom6850]

Sweden helped the 30 years war become famous. You can’t deny it.

[@janezkrajnski]

Hey sandrhoman history chanel guys. Have you heard of the tartar empire? Are those waters to deep for you?

[@valentinstoyanov304]

9000 Cossacks?

[@brotherardis3544]

It was the Polish Lisowczycy, which were mentioned in the previous episode. They were 'cossacks', which is a type of natively Polish light cavalry and, confusingly, shares the name with the Zaporozhian and other Cossacks.

[@zerguskotus2648]

@@brotherardis3544 doesnt cossack type cavalry in the context of poland reffer to chainmail wearing cavalry later called pancerni

[@brotherardis3544]

​@@zerguskotus2648 Not exactly. Pancerni medium cavalry evolved from cossack light cavalry through gradual adoption of chainmail armour. So there certainly was an intermediate period where a 'cossack' unit would be partially equipped with chainmail (because some men could afford it, while others couldn't), but still 'cossacks' were a distinct type of troops, different from 'pancerni'.

[@radogost1536]

Count Palpatine, Holy Roman Emperor

[@baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714]

I see no reason for you to say the old timey name of "The Hague" Ive heard that most people these days refer to it as "Den Haag" no matter the language they speak.

[@SandRhomanHistory]

we use the English version if it exists. if not we try to say the names as they would be pronounced in their respective languages.

[@baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714]

@@SandRhomanHistory In my opinion in english Den Haag is more popular than The Hague, atleast online.

[@Tuning3434]

'S-GRAVENHAGE!

[@Fronzel41]

@@baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714 I have never heard it referred to as anything other than The Hague in English.

[@baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714]

@@Fronzel41 I think Ive heard The Hague twice, Ive heard Den Haag a dozen times (in english).

[@Shroud83]

It's "Wallenstein" not "Waldstein".

[@SandRhomanHistory]

his name was in fact waldstein. historiography has called him wallenstein for whatever reason. maybe due to schiller.

[@Shroud83]

@@SandRhomanHistory Really? Interesting, never heard that. But happy to learn something new!

[@ExperiencePlayers]

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[@beepboop204]

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[@Cody27]

How come there's people whose name is "Christian" but there's not people whose name is "Muslim" or "Jewish"?

[@lukaswilhelm9290]

Some muslims have "muslim" in his/her name such as "Muhammad Muslim" or "Ayu Muslimah". Idk with the jews one tho.

[@clasdauskas]

@@lukaswilhelm9290 or 'Islam'

[@Tjalve70]

I tried to search for it, but I can't find it. A friend of mine found a post on social media, where a guy whose name was Christian, was complaining about Muslim parents calling their son Islam. And he couldn't understand it when someone pointed out the hypocrisy.

[@kayagurcu2814]

How was it possible for Ottomans to be involved in a catholic versus protestant christian conflict :)

[@ryangrant8998]

Because it was politically expedient for them. The wars would weaken the Empire

[@lukaswilhelm9290]

They surely benefited from religious conflict in Europe but they didn't. The Europeans would be grateful to the Ottomans by always meddling in Ottoman internal affairs in 19th-20th century(Muhammad Ali's rebellion, Crimean war, Arab uprising etc).

[@hunting69doehle62]

They actually had been allies of the French against the Habsburgs since the middle of the 16th century. The french kings, who styled themselves as "The Most Christian Kings", were not all to keen to make that alliance public, though.

[@ryangrant8998]

@Lukas Wilhelm True, but we see that in hindsight. In the 16th and 17th centuries, it was a wise policy for any Sultan to play one European power against another, and the French were always willing if it meant weakening the Hapsburgs.

[@kiro6119]

Poland lost its opportunity to reclaim Silesia and Lusatia during this conflict. What a waste.

[@BimpytheWimpyShrimpy]

I think "what a waste" is more or less the official tagline of the _30 Years War._

[@RLoshbough]

Catholiesm aint Christian

[@eldorados_lost_searcher]

Can someone translate that into English?

[@gergelylaszlo5463]

​@@eldorados_lost_searcher "Catholicism isn't Christian"

[@eldorados_lost_searcher]

@@gergelylaszlo5463 Thanks. Now I'd like to get a second opinion on whether or not Catholicism is or is not Christian, and an explanation of what actually qualifies as Christianity if it doesn't.

[@toast2300]

Indeed, Orthodoxy is the only correct Christian faith ☦️☦️☦️ /s

[@adamjg5061]

Everything in Catholicism is biblical.

[@dukejivetalker7541]

Neither holy, nor roman, nor an empire

[@JulesXu]

True 😂

[@therac197]

​@@JulesXu No, don't listen to this shit talking French expat. Especially because its nonsense in English

[@youtubeaccount9980]

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