Interstate 89

[@MA-Route28]

Wasn’t able to make it up for the full totality eclipse, but heard the drive back was absolutely brutal leaving VT

[@LiteBulb88]

If you think I-89 looks stunning in Google Maps, drive the VT portion when fall foliage is at its peak (usually late September or early October.) It is *spectacular.*

[@ControlCityFreak]

I could imagine. Hope to!

[@drivingbritt9617]

Congrats Todd, you've almost reached the big one, I-90! I can't wait to watch that. :)

[@ControlCityFreak]

Gonna be awesome!

[@planetbarrett6055]

With how slow the internet has been, it'll probably be until the 90 video when this one finally plays.

[@jazzhecker]

@@ControlCityFreak We in Massachusetts say the opposite.

[@atworkstation]

@@ControlCityFreak I-90 will get tricky with control cities that we've never heard of. Giving you a heads up.

[@mxderateprod]

@@atworkstationTo be honest, outside of Wyoming, it’s not terribly signed.

[@nathananderson3922]

Work is progressing on extending Canada's A-35 towards the U.S. Border at I-89. The latest phase should be complete by the end of this year but stopping merely 4.5km from the border. Once entirely completed, A-35 and A-10 will complete another limited access route to Montreal from the U.S.

[@SteelForceful]

Not just any Canadian highway, the québécois autoroute

[@highway2heaven91]

That should be pretty helpful when it opens since it’s the fastest way to Boston from Montreal.

[@robertthompson9643]

Going south on 89, when you cross into NH, there used to be a tall ledge between the highway and the exit 20 off ramp. That is where a large Bienvenue Au/Welcome to New Hampshire sign used to be. Recent construction in the area widening NH 12a and bridge replacements on 89 required the removal of the ledge and sign.

[@MikeyLewTV]

The Quebec Autoroute system is pretty cool. I’m not a Canadian highway expert by any means, but it looks like the provinces all do their own thing. Quebec has their Autoroutes, Ontario has it 400s.

[@highway2heaven91]

Not all of them. Outside of QC and ON, most provinces don’t have any freeway conventions, or freeways for that matter.

[@VinsonMusic]

When you get to 93, you should feature the rest stop/liquor store on the toll section between Manchester and Concord.

[@Ramiestar]

95 in NH has one too!

[@jazzhecker]

@@Ramiestar The open sunday sign always was a bit of surprise to me. Also, the three milimeters of I-95 that go through NH are always packed with cops :/

[@adammacdougall8730]

I-189 was supposed to continue along the lakeshore into Burlington city, until the project was cancelled in the 80's. There is to this day about a mile of abandoned I-189 built on that project, before it was ultimately cancelled. Just west of the stop lights in your video. True story

[@randomguyonyt3]

Actually I believe the abandoned sections now begun construction in 2022 where I-189 will be extended longer to downtown Burlington so it’ll have some value

[@InternetKilledTV21]

@@randomguyonyt3 Yuck this can't be serious.

[@randomguyonyt3]

@@InternetKilledTV21 I’m pretty sure it’s on the Wikipedia page and on VTrans Website

[@jakeparsons7171]

It’s not going to be an extension I-189. Will be more of a Parkway with at-grade intersections.

[@Handle_Needs_3_Or_More_Charact]

@@jakeparsons7171 and the speed limit will be like 25-30.

[@robertthompson9643]

White River Junction is a major tourist center for the area. It is the home of the VA hospital and most of the chain hotels for tourists going to Killington Ski Area, Woodstock, Dartmouth College, and Quechee Gorge and Resort. Lebanon is one of only 10 cities in New Hampshire and is the home of Dartmouth Hitchcock Medical Center, the only Level 1 trauma center, cancer research hospital, and pediatric hospital north of Boston. Lebanon is the economic heart of the region whereas Hanover is a small college town.

[@tylermarchand2996]

Also, in defense of signing White River Junction on the I 91 north ramps, I 91 offers the only access to this area, which is actually just an urbanized subdivision of Hartford Town (akin to Drexel Hill and Upper Darby in Delaware County).

[@jordanjones5751]

Here’s Speedboy14’s the way it should be for I-89 North bound: Lebanon, Montpelier, Burlington, St. Albans, Montreal South bound: Burlington, Montpelier, Springfield MA (until I-91), Concord (or Boston)

[@samseddmedia]

I agree! Going southbound, out of Canada, I'd actually sign Burlington right from the start.

[@VishrutSundararajan]

I've been on this Interstate quite a few times during Fall 2022! Definitely has a stunning view of fall foliage, especially in the Vermont portion. If I remember correctly, the southbound 89 has a NH welcome sign, on one of the ramps to the interstate. And as far as I remember, there is an "89 ENDS" sign 2 miles before the interstate ends (on the southbound side).

[@mark99k]

White River Junction isn't even an incorporated place, but it has a disproportionately high profile in the region because it actually is an important junction, being where key north-south, northwest-southeast diagonal, and east-west highways (I-91, I-89, US-4) come together, right in the center of the rectangle that NH and VT comprise. You wouldn't often hear a local mentioning Lebanon or Hanover in the same context.

[@markhb1]

WRJ was, I believe, originally named for the former railroad junction there. The rail line from Concord was ripped up years ago, though.

[@tylermarchand2996]

@mark99k WRJ isn’t even the most populous CDP in the Town of Hartford (according to World Population Clock, 2023 estimates have Wilder as slightly larger!). I’m only really in favor of using WRJ because otherwise, there’d be two different Hartfords for each of I 91’s paths out of Springfield, which can only be confusing…

[@nlpnt]

Which is the exact same reason Limon's a control city. It's not an important *city* but it's an important *crossroads* .

[@robertthompson9643]

​@@markhb1You are correct, as well as the junction of the White and Connecticut Rivers.

[@Boss-KingInc.]

Interstate 790 in Utica, NY is pretty “off-rampy” too. Interstate 90 is between their carriageways and each direction feels like one long off ramp with little no to signage. Also, for some reason the only NH Welcome Sign is on the off ramp of the first exit in NH. They’ve never had another sign other than that one for some reason.

[@edwardrasmussen3465]

How about I-110 in El Paso? Less than a mile.

[@Handle_Needs_3_Or_More_Charact]

Before they built carriageways on each side, 790 was a 2 lane road that paralleled the Thruway until it joined up with the SR 5/8/12 freeway into downtown. And then 790 ends right at the downtown exit.

[@redy-bp2ie]

I’ve driven the whole length of I-89 plenty of times as went to college in Burlington. There is one control city that I noticed that you missed. Right before you reach Concord going Southbound, there is a mileage sign that shows “Concord 10 Manchester 25” I thought it was cool that they added Manchester as much of the traffic would continue south on I-93, and with Manchester being New Hampshire’s largest city, I think it makes sense

[@ControlCityFreak]

Agreed

[@FlySlateRyder_YT]

It’s nice of Massachusetts exits are always a mile apart and they also are mile post. Based.

[@lightning77125]

Delaware, Rhode, Island and Maine are the three states in the Lower 48 covered only by I-95, by the way.

[@williamnicks2148]

Fun fact: St. Albans was the site of the northernmost action of the Civil War.

[@davidburrow5895]

I was in Rhode Island last summer, and they made a big deal about the fact that the exits on I-95 were being changed from sequential to milepost-based. So perhaps there is hope for the rest of the northeast at some point.

[@Ramiestar]

Maine, Massachusetts, and Rhode Island all made the switch to mileage-based exit numbers. Rhode Island just finished converting I-95 in November 2022.

[@Emjay1306]

Hey, it's an interstate that I've been on almost entirely (minus Swanton cuz my family and I had to go to St Albans), I'm happy you're way more lenient on I-89 in Vermont. After the 87 video, I would expect you to tell Vermont to sign Montreal after Montpelier. But I'm happy with the Todd's The way it should be. I'm excited for the I-90 video, the last I-x0 interstate highway you need to cover, and I'm even more excited for the I-95 video. I cannot wait until that one comes out, it's my favorite Interstate.

[@markwilson4078]

It’s a good “Way It Should Be” too. I’ve gone on record that I wouldn’t sign big cities in other countries until the last town (and that’s something I still stand by regardless of what anyone else thinks), but I am fine with St. Albans being the last American town signed going northbound given that Swanton was still on mileage signs thereafter. Southbound I wholeheartedly agree with his picks in that direction (although unlike Todd I do actually think for 91 South Brattleboro should stay as a control city as it is not an unknown place in Vermont).

[@DWNY358]

@@markwilson4078 Fair point. So you would recommend that I-87 not use Montreal as a control city from Albany? Todd criticized I-87 for having Saratoga Springs instead of Montreal on an intersection. I generally favor Montreal as the control city for I-87, but would get behind "Lake George", "Adirondack Park" or Plattsburgh as control cities there instead.

[@markwilson4078]

@@DWNY358 Yeah. In almost any other case I would go for the major city, but in this case you are entering another country. When you cross international borders, it’s not a guarantee you get to go into the country because you have to go through customs which are a chore, and sometimes you will get sent back to the country you came from. This happened to Todd in the I-29 video, and there are countless cases of this kind of thing happening.

[@mikeshumaker]

Video brought back memories of a 1985 trip we took down this highway between W.R. Jct. and Concord; my aunt lived outside Albany, NY and we went to Kennebunkport, Maine, where then-VP Bush had a summer home there, which we saw. I do remember US 4 is a nice highway going east out of Rutland, VT.

[@ControlCityFreak]

Was in Kennebunkport a few months ago, saw the house as well!

[@InternetKilledTV21]

One of my favorite roads on the way to Ludlow, VT. West of the NY-VT border towards Whitehall, NY is awful though.

[@jimgorycki4013]

Agree with US 4. Took that from Rutland to Killington when cutting across from NY state to get to I-89 and eventually the Montpelier area of the state.

[@SlowedByCinnamxn]

Ah thank goodness you uploaded the I-89 video, so the I-90 will be the next video, coming out in about a week or two!

[@ControlCityFreak]

Gonna be cool!

[@mattciscool]

I was there yesterday!!!! I’m so excited for you to explore the northeast in the coming weeks!!!

[@ControlCityFreak]

Hope you enjoy it!

[@dylansmith9342]

Next week will be a big one starting I-90! I've been to New Hampshire a lot as I have family there, but unless it was when I was too young to remember, I've never been on I-89 looks like a nice drive!

[@MichaelEBrown-wo4zb]

Probably one of the most scenic interstate highways Ive driven on. particularly the stretch from Montpelier to Burlington.

[@kosjeyr]

Todd's Nightmare: Future I89 stretches down to Limon, Colorado 🤣🤣🤣

[@Nemofishman]

we don't talk about limon on this channel

[@edwardrasmussen3465]

NOOOOOOO!!!!!

[@briancatanzaro6053]

I don't think so... We already have this thing called "I-87" in NC. We don't need another. 😵

[@ControlCityFreak]

Lol

[@markwilson4078]

That would be funny, but it would become an East-West interstate, so it’d have to be renumbered. I imagine it becomes 88, and then the 88’s that already exists would get renumbered. And the for it to go to Limon, I imagine the following (in this thought experiment, let’s pretend 89 stays despite its westerly direction rather than going for 88): From Concord, 89 makes its way to take over Eastern 84 in its entirety as it would be the most straightforward way to get through New England from NH. It has a concurrency with 81 until I-80, in which case it will go concurrent with 80 for a little until branching off again to head towards 76. It intersects 76 before Ohio so that it does not cross 80 again. From there it would stay between 80 and 70 for the remainder of its route, running right through the middle of Hennepin to have a short concurrency with I-180 in Illinois. That or I-180 now ends at I-89 which has now taken Hennepin. It would intersect 74 close to Peoria and crosses Iowa to get to Nebraska, where it goes southwest into Kansas and eventually its end at I-70 in Limon, Colorado.

[@autumnmoonfire3944]

So I know I89 almost as much as I know I87, which I travel the north most 100 miles a great deal. There is something interesting, when you get into Canada you wind up driving on surface roads for 10 or so miles because Quebec didn’t finish Autoroute 35 all the way to I89. They may in the future but they had to stop and build a brand new Champlain bridge over the St Laurence because the old one was close to failing. This would have made an ungodly mess. Quebec also wholesale copied our expressway shield and numbering system. It’s only Quebec, the other provinces have their own set ups.

[@rongoesCDN]

The real reason was the swampy conditions crossing the Pike river. We are still waiting on an opening date as the carriageways, bridge and interchange with QC-133 at the top of the expressway portion of QC-133 are complete. The remaining portion of QC-133 to the border is still to be planned according to the MTQ. A complete rant over the speed of the A-35 completion will follow from me within the week.

[@autumnmoonfire3944]

@ wow, thanks and I will look forward to the rest of the info, considering it’s the main route between Boston and Montreal the surface road traffic must be brutal!

[@rongoesCDN]

@@autumnmoonfire3944 : Random samples says no on Google traffic. Should be easier once the latest segment is open. Don't forget to get cheap gas at Swanton exit 21 (Shell). Quebec price $1.55CDN/L ~$6.00US/USgal So much cheaper in VT.

[@mevissaaa]

i love getting home on thursdays to expect these videos

[@jakebutler291]

If you think i-89 is beautiful, try driving up i-93 north of Concord NH! Up through the Lincoln/Franconia Area it's breathtaking, especially in the fall!

[@jimgorycki4013]

I drove I-89 from Burlington to the i-91 interchange. Beautiful landscape. Besides Montpelier and I would include the following stops along the way: VT 12 goes to Montpelier (just North of 89) and South to towns like Northfield (home of Norwich University, a senior military college), Randolph, and Bethel. VT 100 goes to a couple of ski resort towns such as Stowe and Waterbury.(farther south to Killington). Also the exit to Barre (the college kids go there because it's the closest walmart to Norwich)

[@champan250]

Exits in southern and central New England (i.e. entire New England except Maine, Vermont and New Hampshire north of Concord) have exits so close to each other (also so relatively evenly spaced) that it is easier for locals to gauge than the actual miles mark, especially before GPS days.

[@tylermarchand2996]

@chapman250 Having driven south along I 95 from Boston to New York this past summer, I can say not everywhere is so evenly spaced. Everything past New Haven, you’re dead on. But on either side of New London, exits were quite distant. It almost perfectly corresponds with the 55 and 65 zones…

[@champan250]

@@tylermarchand2996 understood, that's why I said "relatively" when comparing to the rest of the country. I-84 in northeastern CT is another example of yours

[@aaronreinsmith6136]

St Albans is listed because it is touristy. It, along with Waterbury, VT, are where Ben and Jerry's is located.

[@edsanville]

We in New Hampshire are the only state to have never used mileage-based exit numbers, and that's on purpose. It's not about having enough time to switch... we like our exit numbers the way they are. New Hampshire is a state for people who don't like being told what to do... read the license plates.

[@davidtosh7200]

Not only that, New Hampshire still the only state that does not have mandatory seat belt law for adults who are 18 years old and older, and not have it soon. New Hampshire is my least favorite state.

[@edsanville]

@@davidtosh7200 We do it to keep people like you out.

[@jakeparsons7171]

Vermont got around the mileage based exit requirements by putting those mile point signs on the exits. As for Brattleboro for 91, I’m fine with it. Even MassDOT uses Brattleboro (VT) from Greenfield north. You’ll see the same thing that VTrans does with WRJ for 91 off 89 when you get to the north end of 93: St Johnsbury when you’re already in it, plus you’ve passed an exit for it. And 89 north off of 189 should be St Albans/Montreal, especially when MTQ completes A-35 to the border.

[@pickleme]

Ive often wondered why street view goes way back in time at border crossings (if there even is), also fun fact for I 90, there is a Lyman (pronounced Limon) South Dakota right off the interstate, but its so small, that the exit doesnt even have the name, just the exit number

[@tylermarchand2996]

@pickleme If Todd does U.S. Routes after this series is done, he’ll likely encounter the same back in time problem. Some places have photos from 2007, and the quality is atrocious; even some photos from 2011-ish are grainy!

[@pickleme]

@@tylermarchand2996 yeah, im just wondering if its a legal issue that google cant have up to date photos, but then you'd think they wouldnt be able to have any at all

[@highway2heaven91]

@@pickleme I think it’s just because most border crossings are in remote areas and the Google Streetview car doesn’t always have time to go up there. There are more recent shots of some border crossings though.

[@ReallyBadDriving]

I-89 is one of the few that I conquered (except for the last few miles after Swanton). It's worth driving. There also was supposed to be an I-289 that was supposed to be a beltway around Burlington to connect it to the IBM campus there but it was never completed and it doesn't currently connect to I-89 so it is only signed as a state route. The way it should be: North: Lebanon, Montpelier, Burlington, Montreal South: Burlington, Montpelier, Lebanon, Concord

[@choporchubbzda1]

I honestly never knew there was an I-89, I thought it went straight to I-90 after I-88, now that I know it exists I need to take a big ol drive down it, it looks absolutely stunning

[@charleswesterfieldii4592]

Todd, I visited Vermont in June and the lakes still had ice in them. We were on I-91 but I remember the intersection with I-89. We ate at a place in White River Junction and it was really good. I know you will cover this in the I-91 video, but I can recall the control cities for I-91 past that point were St. Johnsbury and Newport. I like the state road signs for New Hampshire depicting the Man of the Mountain. We visited that when we were there, it was on I-93 but since has fallen off the mountain.

[@tylermarchand2996]

@charleswesterfieldii4592 Early July is when I drove through Vermont and New Hampshire along I 91, and I 93, no visible ice from what I saw, but stunning nonetheless.I actually spent a good while exploring the Franconia Notch area on foot, admiring the towering granite mountains.

[@charleswesterfieldii4592]

@@tylermarchand2996 it was ice that was in a huge lake next to where we were staying. Lake Willoughby I believe was what it was called. It was near Newport.

[@ControlCityFreak]

Yeah it’s a shame the state route signs depict a no longer extant rock, was sad to see it fall

[@highway2heaven91]

My way it should be: Northbound: Lebanon Montpelier Burlington Montreal Southbound: Burlington Montpelier Lebanon (White River Junction secondary) Concord Was really hoping that Canada wouldn’t be used as a Control city but I was let down again. Although it wasn’t used often and at least Montreal was used on some signs. Also, Winooski and Williston are suburbs of Burlington.

[@TheIronSheikSociety]

Autoroute 35 is expanding to meet Interstate 89 in Vermont!!! Only the first several miles of Quebec 133 (Phase IV) needs to be done. Vermonters and Quebecers deserve to connect with each other better now than in decades past.

[@bobbyzimm]

Can’t wait for I-90!! I love that road

[@ControlCityFreak]

Gonna be awesome!

[@PSTXFL]

Burlington then Montreal northbound. Burlington and Concord southbound. 👍

[@mxderateprod]

Literally. I have the same standard no matter what part of the country it's in.

[@dvferyance]

Only 3 states left uncovered. DE, RI and ME all only served by I-95.

[@brianball720]

05:36 saluting the tactical use of "nice" after "Montreal '69' " in case nobody else noticed. I'm looking forward to I-90 next. I bet it will be a lot of work!

[@ControlCityFreak]

It will!

[@CreightonRabs]

New England is notoriously slow when it comes to transitioning from ordinal (or sequential) exit numbering to mileage-based numbering. Maine was one of the first New England states to transition (2004), followed by Connecticut (at least for I-91 and I-395 so far; the remaining interstates and state highways with exit numbers are reportedly slated to be re-numbered by 2025), Massachusetts, which only converted in 2021, and Rhode Island, which recently converted to milepost exit numbering (I-95 was completed a few months ago). So, this basically leaves Delaware, New Hampshire and New York State (save for I-99) as the last "sequential exit number" holdouts (depending on how you want to define Vermont's scheme).

[@tylermarchand2996]

@CreightonRabs I remember on my 2021 summer road trip that the NJTP was sequential. There’s no way there’s only 10 miles between the north end in Bergen County and where I got off to enter Pennsylvania from Burlington County (in fact, I think 10 miles was the average distance BETWEEN exits!).

[@CreightonRabs]

@@tylermarchand2996 Forgot about the NJTP. All other interstates have mileage-based exit numbers.

[@Ramiestar]

In NY state, I-84, I-781, and I-890 use mileage-based exits. I-81 will switch when it gets routed around Syracuse. NH and Delaware are the true holdouts when it comes to sequential vs mileage based exits. Vermont, meanwhile, "cheated" with those insanely stupid "milepoint exit xx" signs.

[@dans656]

between I-90, I-94, and I-95 it will be an interesting next few months. After those 3 behemoths, I-97 will be a pallet cleanser.

[@tylermarchand2996]

@dans656 I think it should just be lumped into one of the I 95 videos, considering it has ZERO business being a 2DI. Make it I 995…

[@mikeshumaker]

I-96, 97 and 99 won't take him long.

[@damienredd9068]

Also the same as the last time we did the I 88 videos on the other day so the following next video is I 90 next week

[@edwardrasmussen3465]

Bow NH, where I-89 begins, is pronounced as in "bow and arrow." BTW, that part of I-93 that is tolled is part of the Everett Turnpike, which is unsigned on the I-93 portion.

[@LeviRamsey]

If you liked 89, you're going to love 91 (at least in Vermont and one could argue from Holyoke, MA north). One of the longer stretches of the Interstate system that reminds one of the rural autobahn.

[@ControlCityFreak]

I’ve driven it from Brattleboro to New Haven but I’m guessing I saw the less beautiful stretch

[@LeviRamsey]

@@ControlCityFreak This has to be one of the oldest drivelapse videos on youtube: kzbin.info/www/bejne/baDcaKOQacd9pNk I-91 south between 93 and 89.

[@ControlCityFreak]

@@LeviRamsey Nice!

[@LeviRamsey]

​@@ControlCityFreak Basically: 91 in Vermont runs about midway up (elevation-wise) the range of hills on the Connecticut's western bank. It's not the Columbia River Gorge, but it is 110 or so miles of mostly following the land through a fairly narrow valley, with vertical changes and curves.

[@tylermarchand2996]

@LeviRamsey My summer 2022 road trip involved driving along I 91 from Springfield and then down to Concord along I 93. I wasn’t expecting the route along the Connecticut River to be so hilly. And, the mountains were an insane hue of green right before the 4th of July; mountains in the Sierra Nevada (just west of me), aren’t anywhere near as green during the late spring snowmelt!

[@LeviRamsey]

The control cities on 89 south from the border could defensibly be St. Albans / Boston. Most of the traffic is coming from Canada, a decent portion of which is going to the Walmart/etc. on the north side of St. Albans for lower tax shopping and a lot of the rest of that is going at least to southern New Hampshire.

[@jakeparsons7171]

I’d actually like to see Lebanon/Burlington used for the exit from 93 north. Lebanon/WRJ would be fine from 93 South. Once A-35 is extended to the border, I’d like to see MTQ add supplemental signage for Boston for the A-10 exit, since they use NY as a control for 87 for the A-15 exit from A-10.

[@MA-Route28]

For I-90 you gotta show (eastbound) exit 133 in Boston MA! Off-ramp spirals up through a building and spits you out close to Fenway! LFG

[@ControlCityFreak]

Nice!

[@tylermarchand2996]

@zachransey8733 Other spots that I think he should check out include a scenic area just past the Vantage Bridge in Washington, which has a trail to a hill with horse sculptures; and somewhere between the NY/MA state line and Springfield, there is a sign indicating the highest elevation east of South Dakota. But to your comment, the entirety of the Big Dig is deserving of lots of discussion. I found it cool when I drove through it southbound along I 93, then I come to learn (from my father, a professor of Civil and Environmental Engineering at the University of Nevada) how it was shoddily constructed, leading to a collapse in 2006 I believe it was. And to my knowledge, a similar project is in progress if not already completed in Seattle (the opposite end of I 90, though not directly ON the freeway).

[@JayTheGreat_Gaming]

That means I-90 is next. That's crazy. We're almost finished with the two-digit highways.

[@FlySlateRyder_YT]

I like the way that he said that The Todd said10 east for 91Because that just sounded really funny91

[@JustinCasavant]

5:34 nice

[@vdubproductions2646]

Outside of Burlington, Montpelier Concord, and Manchester really had no choice to but mostly go Provincial on these signs this route. I-90 for sure is quite the highway. Longest highway in the U.S.

[@kerrizor]

I swear, they're moving to mileage-based numbering.. last time I was back home in VT, it was a topic of conversation around town (yeah.. not a lot going on in small, rural New England!)

[@EpicThe112]

If you are wondering what would be the true North end of I-89 it's the A10 Motorway in Quebec once the A35 Motorway section towards St Armand Highgate Springs Border Crossing. For Vermont they should do Interstate 89 North Highgate Springs Montreal from Burlington to the Canadian Border. Same thing for I-91 at St John'sbury which should be Derby Line Sherbrooke Quebec or Derby Line Quebec City. For the I-89 I-91 interchange can also say Brattleboro Springfield while I-91 North can be the following White River Junction Derby line White River Junction Quebec City or White River Junction Sherbrooke

[@tylermarchand2996]

@EpicThe112 Sherbrooke is the way to go when signing I 91 north. This is before a choice has to be made to go to Trois Rivières or Quebec City if continuing towards the St. Lawrence River.

[@EpicThe112]

@tylermarchand2996 you are correct. However whenever an interstate highway meets a Québec Autoroute (british-australian and Irish English Translation Motorway American English Expressway) practice is going to be the major city right away therefore VTRANS will do that as White River Junction Quebec City

[@samseddmedia]

CAN'T WAIT FOR I-90!!!

[@ControlCityFreak]

Gonna be cool!

[@ianp1745]

I was kinda hoping for 90 to be only 2 parts and not 3, 80 was only 2, so I guess that got my hopes up

[@samseddmedia]

White River Junction is a good junction control city for both directions.

[@mxderateprod]

I'm not a fan of it. Lebanon is more than 7x the size of WRJ and not too much further. Lebanon should be signed on I-91 south from St. Johnsbury and from I-89 in Montpelier imo.

[@spellcast1391]

I agree with Mod. Lebanon is good for both directions

[@spellcast1391]

I don’t know why Montipeller would be signed?

[@mxderateprod]

@@spellcast1391 Mainly because it’s the capital. But I would only sign it going south because Burlington is not too much further than Montpelier.

[@themovietheatre]

Waiting for your Autoroute 20 video.

[@FlySlateRyder_YT]

SO WE SEE 10 EST FOR 91 6:07 Also southbound 89 6:04

[@somethingrandom987]

The I-90 special is coming, I looked at the control cities before hand. Pennsylvania couldn't screw it up this time because its so short. I think overall they do a good job of Signing I-90 with some mess ups like Illinois signing Wisconsin in Rockford, That should be Madison. But until I-90 goes between Spokane and Rapid City... thats where I-90 becomes a little... questionable

[@tylermarchand2996]

@lutherharrismusic Only four cities need listing in that range: Coeur d’Alene, Missoula, Bozeman and Billings. If someone wants to add Bismarck on account of I 94 using I 90’s carriageway out of Billings, then fine, but nothing else should be listed.

[@markwilson4078]

@@tylermarchand2996 The fact you mentioned those four cities reminds me how big Montana truly is given three of those four are there (I think C’ouer d’Alene is in Idaho, but I could be remembering that wrong).

[@tylermarchand2996]

@markwilson4078 Yes, CDA is in Idaho.

[@spellcast1391]

AASHTO’s list is horrible for I-90. Using Ellensburg for a primary control out of Seattle? Yeah, that’s where I-82 is. Or no Rockford in Illinois and instead using Janesville? WHY???

[@spellcast1391]

@@tylermarchand2996 Butte I thought should work. Yes, it’s smaller, but I-90 will meet I-15 there, and it has a 3 digit child route there(115)

[@LeviRamsey]

Claremont/Lebanon/Hanover/WRJ is over 200k and is, IINM, the largest micropolitan area in the US

[@miked31784]

Also, I would not sign I-91 south for Springfield, Massachusetts at the junction because I-91 goes through a Springfield Vermont and it could be confusing. Another fact about I-89, it only intersects with other odd numbered parent interstates.

[@MrQuinnzard]

It's weird to think that you're gonna be done with all of the main Interstates around April. Very excited for I-90, though.

[@ControlCityFreak]

Probably more like May, but yeah coming soon

[@truckercowboyed2638]

The good thing is I don't think any of the i90 roads repeat in another state,

[@samseddmedia]

I'd probably skip St. Albans and go straight to Montreal. That is a much bigger city (even though it's in Canada).

[@tylermarchand2996]

@sansade1871 Yeah, I’d almost say it’s an exurb (Burlington MSA = Grand Isle, Franklin and Chittenden Counties); South Burlington, Essex and Colchester are what I’d consider pure suburbs…

[@spellcast1391]

I agree. Using Saint Albans as a secondary would work

[@mxderateprod]

Not to mention, it’s the second biggest city in Canada.

[@MrShortWhiteGuy]

Maine, Rhode Island, and Delaware are the last 3 states. I'm thinking I-95 may have more control cities than I-90 as the major cities are more concentrated in small areas with I-95 compared to I-90 which runs through the heartland.

[@DEEJAY440]

My Control Cities for I-89: North: Vermont Montpelier Burlington Canada South: Burlington Montpelier Concord

[@samseddmedia]

Burlington Vermont is a much more well-known city than Burlington North Carolina.

[@paullin]

Definitely looking forward to I-90 next week. As a Minnesotan, I have an argument that they should had Rochester, Minnesota as a control city on I-90. Rochester is the 3rd largest city and metro in MN, and is the birthplace of Mayo Clinic. La Crosse and Albert Lea are not great control cities to say the least. Personally when I drive at the I-90 I-94 split near Tomah, I only ever taken I-90 west for Rochester.

[@ControlCityFreak]

Good point for sure

[@tylermarchand2996]

@paullin I say do both Rochester AND La Crosse-Onalaska. It is a sizable area by Wisconsin standards, and a major Mississippi crossing. Tomah, however, isn’t a good city; from the west (on 90 and 94), just put Madison; from the east, La Crosse and Eau Claire are the controls…

[@paullin]

@@ControlCityFreak can’t wait for your opinion on Eau Claire being a control city on the I-94 video, or Saint Cloud.

[@mxderateprod]

@@paullin St. Cloud is fine going WB on 94. It has a metro population bigger than Fargo's. But EB, Minneapolis is what should be signed from Fargo.

[@aryksnag1935]

I think Wisconsin & South Dakota hate Rochester.

[@outbackigloo6489]

I agree that exits in the northeastern states should be distance based. But I also think the US should have adopted the metric system on their highways 50 years ago! It would be pretty stupid for a state to adopt a mileage-based numbering system on their highways and then have to switch to a kilometer-based system two years later.

[@benjaminchandler7919]

I think north of Burlington St. Albens should be the secondary and the primary should be Montreal

[@cary3517]

Drove on I 89 to visit friends in Marshfield VT

[@bjgandalf69]

We are entering the Land of the Super Troopers...lmbo "Am I saying meow? Don't think boy, meow do you know how fast you were going?" - Foster "The snozzberries taste like snozzberries." - College Boy #3

[@miked31784]

I-89 was the first parent interstate that I have driven end to end. Also in regards to the exit numbers in Vermont, “Vermont reached an agreement with the FHWA in 2019 to use dual sequential/mile-based exit numbers. Under the approved plan, existing sequential exit numbers will be retained for at least the next decade, but a supplemental mile-based exit number will be added to each exit sign starting in the spring 2020. The agreement stipulates that Vermont must convert to mile-based exit numbers during the next round of sign replacements, planned for some point in the 2030s”. I figured that I-90 might be a 3 parter! I will be ready for it. If you do I-91 on February 16, then I will be there when you do an interstate that I am going to be close by and one of my hometown interstates.

[@ControlCityFreak]

Probably not gonna be quite that soon

[@leem3793]

you are calling some of our biggest towns "small places" yes but you have to remember vermont only has 600k people. the larger towns (even if there isn't high population) will obviously be control cities on highway signs

[@CalebRichardson-ex5kc]

Swanton is in Vermont

[@samseddmedia]

I'd change some of that (11:35): The Way It Should Be: Northbound: Burlington/White River Jct Burlington/Montpelier Montreal/Burlington Montreal/St. Albans Montreal/Canada Southbound: Montpelier/Burlington Concord/Montpelier Concord/Springfield (White River Jct) Boston/Concord (Sorry if I'm doing that NCDOT thing signing two control cities.)

[@edwardrasmussen3465]

That looks confusing to me.

[@ControlCityFreak]

Solid

[@mxderateprod]

Montreal/Canada? Montreal Q.C. would be better

[@davidbolddog2796]

I would include Boston SB at I-91

[@champan250]

In the intersection with I-91 in I-89 southbound, it might be helpful if they signed "New York City" instead of Brattleboro, and the pull thru sign for I-89 should have read "Concord, NH Boston, MA" instead of just Concord Helpful for those traveling to northern Vermont ski area from the tri-state area

[@ControlCityFreak]

Good point!

[@mrmoore1972]

I think as a whole, New England is more provincial regarding their towns than any other U.S. region, especially in the rural parts up north. As for the exit numbering, I don't think they will change anytime soon. It's the oldest civilized U.S. region and they're proud of it. Old money, old real estate, all of it.

[@edwardrasmussen3465]

I believe that if the Federal government threatens to withhold money for highway maintenance to those states that do not convert to mile-based exit numbers, we'll see either the highways, especially the bridges, begin to crumble, or tolls to suddenly crop up. It's too early to tell at this point. I know, the interstates are not supposed to have tolls if they were built with federal money. Some states have high occupancy toll (HOT) lanes, while a state like RI now tolls trucks only on most of its freeways.

[@CrystalClearWith8BE]

Todd, while making I-90, how will you split the video of I-90 into different parts? Earlier, I suggest you divide it into 3 parts and use both directions on each part, Northwest, Midwest & Northeast. By the way, what's your idea of splitting the I-90 video to prevent the next videos be too long? I can't wait to see part 1 in a Thursday morning (American Time Zones).

[@ControlCityFreak]

Still tinkering with it. Stay tuned!

[@TimEssDub]

I wonder how many videos will be required for I-90. I look forward to it and I look forward to both the I-94 and I-96 videos.

[@mxderateprod]

2, maybe 3 at most.

[@tylermarchand2996]

@moderateproductions9088 94 and 95 won’t be any different, and I say Todd includes in his 95 video what should really be called 995.

[@markwilson4078]

3 minimum, but I wouldn’t be shocked if it took 4. If it took 3, Part 1 would at least have to go to Montana (maybe even Wyoming) if being divided by regions, and Part 2 would have to pass by Chicago, maybe going to the limits of the Eastern Time Zone. If it took 4 however, he could just divide it by time zone since I-90 goes through 4 of them.

[@mxderateprod]

@@markwilson4078 I disagree. Probably 3 maximum. 90 may be longer than 80, but it doesn’t have as much bad control cities or big cities. So probably all of EB I-90 would be about 15-25 minutes.

[@markwilson4078]

@@mxderateprod Yeah it doesn’t. In that case, 3 parts. If I remember what Todd said and did in past videos, he did 2 parts to Western 84 because of Oregon, and that interstate wasn’t even 1000 miles long. Having watched almost all of his videos (I-64 westbound was the only interstate video of his I never watched), I know he tends to point out points of interest that aren’t control cities, and there are plenty on I-90. Plus, I think in the comments for the I-80 video he mentioned he would wise up and split the interstate up. Even if the control cities were immaculate and on-point every step of the way, the sheer length of the road is just too long to condense into 2 parts when it goes through so many climates and scenery. Condensing the concurrency with 80 could help out, but I don’t think for long enough to make just 2 parts work.

[@volodimirivanevko9238]

It's a lovely drive, as someone who lived in South NH but travelled to Montreal often I have driven the entire route many times over. The landscape is idyllic and the towns along the route bucolic. As of now, I-89 routes to Route 133 in Quebec. 133 is a pretty, it goes through many farms as well as the village of Pikes Peak, but its absolutely not fit to carry the volume of travellers between the two cities of Boston and Montreal as its mostly a 2-lane countryside road. Fortunately Quebec has been extending Autoroute 35 southwards ever so slightly, I assume it will extend not quite up to the border but just far enough to connect to the 4-lane segment of Rt.133

[@ControlCityFreak]

Looks like an awesome drive!

[@tylermarchand2996]

@volodomirivanevko9238 I’m planning a potential road trip along the mainline of the Trans-Canada Highway this summer. This naturally involves going through Quebec and Montreal. How much of a necessity is it that I know French beforehand (ironically my last name is French!)?

[@tylermarchand2996]

@volodomirivanevko This is mostly for if I have a rest stop within the province (Montreal, Saint-Hyacinthe, Drummondville, Quebec City, and Rivière-du-Loup being the best candidates for lodging).

[@mikeshumaker]

Just curious, are you going to do Seattle to Chicago next week, and Chicago to Boston the week after for I-90 eastbound?

[@ControlCityFreak]

Not quite either. Stay tuned!

[@TheIronSheikSociety]

For Interstate 189, once the Champlain Parkway is completed, Interstate 189 should simply number their interchanges as: EXIT 1 for US7 and EXITS 2A and 2B for Interstate 89. 189 would begin west of US7, making 189 a mileage-based exit numbering highway. Ordinal as well. The A and B over N and S for suffixes would satisfy the mileage-based exit numbering system customs. New Hampshire needs to go mileage-based on their exit numbering. New York is getting very stubborn again with this process and needs to wake up.

[@tylermarchand2996]

I’ve decided to do something interesting. Using distance signs that have three slots, I’ll divide the route into segments based on what the third listing (bottom line) should be. Northbound on I 89: Lebanon: BEGINNING-Exit 14 North Grantham (no northbound access) Burlington:Exit 14 North Grantham-Exit 11 Richmond/Williston/Bolton Montreal: Exit 14 Richmond/Williston/Bolton-END. Southbound I 89: Burlington: BEGINNING-Exit 16 U.S. 2/U.S. 7 to VT 15 Winooski/Colchester Lebanon: Exit 16 U.S. 2/U.S. 7 to VT 15 Winooski/Colchester-Exit 1 U.S. 4 Woodstock/Rutland Concord: Exut 1 U.S. 4 Woodstock/Rutland-Exit 7 NH 103 Davisville/Contoocook Manchester: Exit 7 NH 103 Davisville/Contiocook-END

[@ControlCityFreak]

Cool!

[@admirals818]

How would you feel about 'Ben & Jerry's' as a control "city"? Well, maybe just Waterbury.

[@ControlCityFreak]

lol

[@brianmiddleton2956]

How about Ben & Jerry introduced a new flavor: Limon in the rockies

[@seannewberry7941]

St Albans might signed because there is a lot of industry and it’s a big tourist area. Ben and Jerry’s (Unilever) has a big plant there that I was at a few times a month back in the day.

[@ControlCityFreak]

It’s also the only remaining American city of any circumstance after Burlington

[@mxderateprod]

I still think it should be skipped. Plattsburgh isn’t signed on 87…

[@ControlCityFreak]

@@mxderateprod True but I think it could be a different standard for a small, remote place like northern VT

[@tylermarchand2996]

@ControlCityFreak I’d be careful about making exceptions just because areas are remote. Otherwise, Pendleton or Elko are fair game…

[@ControlCityFreak]

@@tylermarchand2996 Nah, those both have sensible control city options on either side and way more potential for long distance traffic. Northern Vermont is kinda stuck in a small corner

[@toddcook7759]

I’m hoping you do 96 Michigan

[@brianmiddleton2956]

I'm also looking forward to the videos on the child routes of I-96. I-196 and I-696 in particular

[@DNSKansas]

Montpelier....the only state capital without a McDonald's.

[@ControlCityFreak]

Wow!

[@tylermarchand2996]

@DNSKansas Also the only state capital not to be a primary city in its respective population center (yes, Saint Paul counts as a primary with equal sway compared to Minneapolis; it’s way too big to be a suburb!). Barre is the primary population center in Washington County, being more than twice the size of Montpelier (city and town consolidated, FYI).

[@gothbrother]

1:12 Yup, sure is a bargain for the northeastern states.

[@JM-by9lm]

Vermont is buying time by putting up the milepost signs at exits; the state has indicated that it will consider renumbering exits when the signs are replaced in the future. New Hampshire may hold out longer: the governor was openly disdainful about the prospect of the feds forcing the state to do so. After all, the state's motto is "Live Free or Die." All the other New England states have completed renumbering or are in the process. New York isn't part of New England, but even it has quietly switched I-84 to mileage based exits, and probably will do so on I-81 when it's re-routed through Syracuse.

[@FlySlateRyder_YT]

I live right off I95 well not exactly right off but off I95128 is really what I use

[@FlySlateRyder_YT]

2:48 where is North 89 to i91

[@Handle_Needs_3_Or_More_Charact]

I doubt Vermont really cares about having mileage based exits. Considering how much more environmentally minded the state has become, they'd probably rip up the interstates if they had their way. I read recently that most of Vermont's surface roads are now capped at a 30 mph speed limit, even in the rural areas.

[@SonicandHighwayDude401]

Here are all I-89 Exits: All Milepost Exits in New Hampshire: Mile 0.2/Exit 1- South St Exit 2- NH 13 Exit NB 3- Stickney Hill Rd *SB Merge* Pic at 1:40: Exit NB 6- US 202/NH 9/NH 103 *SB Merge* Exit 8- US 202/NH 9 W Exit 10- NH 127 Exit 14- NH 103 Exit NB 16- NH 103 *SB Merge* Exit 19- NH 103 Exit 26- to NH 114 Exit 30- NH 11 E Exit 34- NH 11 W/NH 103A Exit 37- to NH 114 Exit 43- NH 10 S Exit SB 48- Grantham Ln *NB Merge* Exit 50- Smith Pond Rd Exit 51- Eastman Hill Rd Pic at 2:29: Exit 54- US 4 Exit 56- NH 120 Exit 58- US 4/NH 10 N Exit 60- NH 12A All Milepost Exits in Vermont: Pic at 3:08: Exit 1- I-91 (Formerly unsinged Exit 0) (Pic at 3:30, I-91 Exit 69 B, Yes the I-91 portion of that Intersection is Exit 69) Exit 3- US 4 Exit 13- VT 132 to VT 14 Exit 22- VT 107 Exit 30- VT 66 Exit 42- VT 64 Exit 46- VT 63 Exit 50- VT 62 Exit 52- US 2 Exit 58- US 2 to VT 100 Exit 63- VT 100 Exit 78- US 2/VT 117 Exit 83- VT 2A Exit 87- I-189 Exit 88- US 2 Exit NB 90- VT 15 *SB Merge* Exit 91- US 2/US 7 Exit 97- US 2 to US 7 MILE 100 Exit 106- US 7 Exit 113- VT 104 Exit 117- VT 207 to US 7 Exit 121- VT 78 Exit 129- US 7 N CANADA BORDER- Mile 130/0

[@ControlCityFreak]

Nice!

[@FlySlateRyder_YT]

NORTH 89 to I 91 2:48