Interview of Former New IFB couple Nathan and April Marquis - Stedfast Baptist of OK City

Recently we had the privilege of sitting down to speak with Nathan and April Marquis, former members of a New IFB church. Nathan shares his experience of being excommunicated by pastor Jonathan Shelley, who was not satisfied with the sincerity of his apology for statements made on social media. We consider the unbiblical nature of this display of pastoral "authority", as well as the marks of a cult which are evident in the New IFB Movement. We also look at how the New IFB condemns nearly every other Christian group as being "unsaved", yet another mark of a cult. Nathan and April discuss their experience with the Mennonite and Amish of Pennsylvania during a recent vacation, and finding true believers among them. We encourage others in the New IFB, or any other extremist group, to consider the unbiblical, controlling nature of the movement and get out. A portion of the conversation between Nathan and Pastor Jonathan Shelley is included at the end of the video.
We also announce our hiatus from You Tube, as the busy summer season and responsibilities force us to back off from video production. Much has been said and taught about regarding extreme Fundamentalism on this channel, and the material will remain on You Tube for the benefit of those searching for a way out and recovering from the experience. Those wishing to contact pastor Dollar may do so at [e-mail]. The church web site is Cbcportage.org.
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[@heidirobinson3352]

Why so many dislikes? This is a great interview. Lovely couple.

[@cameradollies18]

Thank you for the nice compliment.

[@Lambdamale.]

I have been an IFB in the past. There was a REAL lack of love and militancy in the atmosphere. I fed into it 100%. Thankfully that church, now, though IFB in name, has calmed down a lot and I dont even think they fellowship much with other ifb churches that often. They're crazy, and given my personality bent, I dont need that influence.

[@calebdugan8829]

True, but that church is still in favor of hyles and they still sell his books and use his materials at the college and use his methods in evangelism.

[@Lambdamale.]

@Victor Mendoza It's both and. We were fiercely independent, but even independents require allies. That's why IFBs still conference together.

[@ellisseven9520]

Never attend a church where the One-man Pastor system is in place. Acts 14:23

[@nwospidey5782]

I like the "NIFB" more after this interview🤷🏾‍♂️

[@karens3805]

Not biblical Christianity? Because of drama? The Apostles had lots of drama sir. Peter and paul had a confrontation! Paul went to prison! There will be plenty of drama among true churches teaching the Bible as it will clash more and more with the culture! Your statement is ridiculous.

[@karens3805]

@Saved by Grace Jesus went and tore apart a synogogue! He called rabbis Satanic. He also took time to make a whip that he used in the synogogue. Talk about drama! Very Christ like drama. He mocked the rabbis when Jesus called a woman a dog. This statement was made to mock them, as that was how they referred to the gentiles.he flouted there own laws in the synogogue by deliberately breaking thier laws of the Sabbath, right in the temple. He told his disciples that he spoke in parables on purpose, so the people wouldn't understand! He was always very dramatic and confrontational when addressing false doctrine. I love the the way Steven anderson did this when confronting Catholic doctrine for instance. When he mocked thier long robes and digon God hat by parading around in a costume, it was great! From what I know of Jesus, He loved it too! You might have felt uncomfortable however. Oh well.

[@samhalemba]

These guys don't have any drama because they don't contend for the faith and accept every false doctrine because of their fake love and pride

[@nmcpherson88]

@@samhalembacontending for the faith is good, contending for things God doesn’t say or command is satanic.

[@andrettisampson9835]

You can tell by how heavily NIFBers troll this interview exactly how cultish it is.

[@romanc.5074]

I came out from IFB but I'm not planning to join the Calvinists anytime soon or ever.

[@jeffdollar1646]

That's the same thing I said 35 years ago.

[@romanc.5074]

@@jeffdollar1646 The Calvinists don't want to work. God has everything fixed already. Tell Paul that.

[@mattwilliams4411]

NIFB is making life-changing quality documentaries. This guy can barely record a decent interview. 🙄

[@jeffdollar1646]

You are correct. I need to invest a few grand into new equipment, hire a staff, and quit my job to learn how to do this full time.

[@mombythesea2426]

lol “the deception looks better, so it’s probably true”

[@ashlee6240]

So much truth! ❤️🙏🏻

[@timothykwoh6172]

You might want to pay attention to this but Leslye Romero has given a tell all interview about the infidelity and bad drug habits of Donnie Romero.

[@jeffdollar1646]

Thanks, I listened to the interview, it appears that the whole situation and aftermath were very "Hylesesque".

[@JJ1802]

Leslye Romero has also stolen thousends of dollars from the church is about to face federal chargers against those crimes, the LORD will repay!

[@Power88987]

Where does one find the Leslye Romero interview at???

[@leel9611]

I grew up in a IFB church and am so grateful to God that I’m no longer part of that wackiness. Very man centered idolatry. It’s really really sad. Only church I ever went to where the staff would drive the pastors car up to the front door when the service was done. Never understood the knocking on doors “ soul winning” when the most unfriendly people I ever met inside the church, could go out and try and win souls “invite people to church” Everything that I ever experienced within the IFB was so strange. For those caught up in this cult like religion, I would just say read your Bible and pray for discernment. Grace and the peace of our Lord and savior Jesus Christ be with you

[@JDSiga]

What are the two Great Commandments? To LOVE God and to LOVE your neighbor. Not a lot of love in that group.

[@Not_a_witch]

The NIFB, at least pastor Anderson has never claimed that they’re the only ones that have the gospel, he even says nondenominational churches often have it right, and encourages people to go to a good church in there area, it doesn’t have to be NIFB or even ifb. I’m not surprised that the fame is getting their egos blown up, but my experience in the NIFB has been positive. I love the hard preaching and the family integration in the churches, which the old ifb lacks. I’ve also never felt I HAD to agree with them that every homo is reprobate. I’ve heard multiple of the pastors in the movement say they believe someone could be confused and wrapped up in the LGBTQ movement without being reprobate. And they make it clear you don’t have to agree with that doctorine to be a part of their church. So a lot of these accusations seem to be false, or at least missing a lot of context.

[@jeffdollar1646]

False teachers always camouflage their error by sprinkling in some truth that appeals to different individuals. I have other videos which detail their doctrinal deviations, and they are not insignificant.

[@Not_a_witch]

@@jeffdollar1646 yeah I’ve seen, still not really convinced you’re portraying their teachings fairly. Grant it, they don’t really portray their opponents fairly either but I don’t find this to be something unique to NIFB, but something I’ve experienced from most people in general. Seems like neither side can give an accurate portrayal of what the other believes and everyone is fighting straw men. The only one I’ve dealt with irl is Aaron Thomson and it was a positive experience 🤷🏻‍♀️ I’m open to being wrong about them. Just looking for the truth. The one thing I’ve seen that has been concerning is Anderson not having any real ordination. Gives Joseph smith vibes if true. And the whole situation with Shelly is giving me pause.

[@2wheelz3504]

I have listened to many of these IFB preachers on KZbin. I am struck by how little they preach the Bible. It is all about THEM and THEIR opinions and their HATRED for other believers who aren't crazy like they are.

[@63stratoman]

Isn’t it crazy how they claim to be “Bible Believers” but use so little actual Bible in their preaching?

[@timothykwoh6172]

I am not NIFB but I do have concerns about Mennonites since many are not orthodox let alone born again. Nevertheless, I do not deny that there may be a minority of Christians amongst them.

[@cameradollies18]

All I'm saying is that there are some, not all, which are saved and do understand the doctrine of salvation by faith.

[@eduardowhiteknight6110]

Very informative video

[@AlexBall03]

The things that we (New IFB) believe are directly and explicitly taught in the Bible (rapture, replacement theology, reprobates, etc.)! I’m sorry you guys are blinded to what the Bible actually teaches!

[@jeffdollar1646]

That's an assertion that I have spent multiple videos refuting - like the other cults, the NIFB conjures up New doctrines that nobody in the past but a few scattered heretics believed, and proclaim they are the only true faith.

[@Suzanhanson8478]

Just curious...r u in any way related to Truman Dollar? IFB pastor in KC, MO way back.

[@jeffdollar1646]

I've been ask that since my days at Hyles-Anderson, but to my knowledge I'm not related.

[@Suzanhanson8478]

@@jeffdollar1646 It's obviously an uncommon surname! By the mid 90's, my Dad didn't mention most of his beloved "great pastors" in sermons. Women loved just to look at him; there's a psychological thing about women goin ga-ga over men in visible, power positions. In my Dad's opinion, he should've never pastored after KCBT. 🎵💜🎹

[@jeffdollar1646]

@@Suzanhanson8478 I heard there was some moral indescrepencies with him, but never knew the details. Now people ask me if I'm related to Creflo.

[@firstworker7555]

Are you guys also going to dinner? Because you’re totally out to lunch.

[@cameradollies18]

Wow. Im amazed at your wit. Did you get a degree at the local community clown college?

[@firstworker7555]

@@cameradollies18And I'm amazed at your capacity. Do you always speak for your husband and fight his battles?

[@cameradollies18]

@@firstworker7555 hmm. He spoke quite a lot. I fill on the blanks for him becauseof his TBI. Look it up if you don't know what it means.

[@firstworker7555]

@@cameradollies18 It sounded to me that he was doing just fine aside from you continually cutting him off.

[@cameradollies18]

@@firstworker7555 This conversation is boring 😴

[@aaroncrawford5638]

Thank you for your expose on the NIFB. I wish I didn’t get a part of that branch of NIFB back in 2007/2008.

[@nancypelosi1462]

What a frustrating interview to watch. Why did the lady even bring her husband if she was going to constantly interrupt, correct, and talk over him?

[@cameradollies18]

My husband has memory issues and is 50% disabled from the Army. Do you ever speak around your husband? I do not follow Sharia law.

[@thatprettymama4875]

I thought she was very pleasant and well spoken.

[@samhalemba]

This guy is gonna make a great Calvanist. Mocks soul winners, his wife speaks for him and is probably his bread winner.

[@cameradollies18]

We are not Calvanist but don't judge them. My husband has memory issues and a disabled vet. Please mock him for serving in the military and protecting you. I do work in the most expensive acquisition program to protect you and other Americans everyday! We go to an IFB church and been at the church since we moved to VA in March. Im going soul winning this Saturday with my daughter. My husband and I take turns because its too hot to take our two youngest. Please continue with your slanderous questions. I have all the answers you will not like to hear.

[@samhalemba]

@@cameradollies18 Well lady you're doing an expose promoting calvanism and slandering an entire group of people so you should be ready for it. You just did an hour long video on why Baptists and helped Dollar tear down soul winning and the gospel, so spare us with the "Im the perfect baptist" act. You can't have it both ways

[@samhalemba]

Why don't you thank me and the other taxpayers on here for paying your salary and his disability payment rather than acting like you're immune to replies to your criticism

[@cameradollies18]

@@samhalemba no one is perfect, no not one. We are IFB. Pastor Dollar is our brother in Christ. Ill pray for you

[@cameradollies18]

@@samhalemba Thank you. I'll work hard at keeping you safe!

[@listenup872]

Clearly these people have reached absolute perfection. I am surprised that they are still here and not taken up into the clouds. 🤔 Condemning others for condemning others. Are they not doing the very thing they claim is un Christ like. When did this group of three become the absolute authority on what is and isn't right. They are simply retaliating for what they feel was unjust treatment. Did God answer all your prayers, did he say go on KZbin and trash my church.

[@cameradollies18]

Mary, we will pray for you.

[@jeffdollar1646]

Here is a little tidbit from a commentary on the book of Hebrews by A. W. Pink - regarding those who peddle in false doctrines and their method of excluding others who do not follow them: "Those who would impose such doctrines on others, generally do so with much bombast and blustering; unless we believe and practice such things, we are denounced as heretics and unsaved (Acts 15:1). The unlearned and unstable are disturbed by them, carried out of their course, and are in danger of making shipwreck of their faith." (An Exposition of Hebrews page 1166).

[@samhalemba]

Read some more CS Lewis and commentaries and continue to shock people with your lack of knowledge around the Bible. This comment sections exposes you as a con man and a manipulator of people. As far as I see if you're preaching another Gospel, and maybe one of your commentaries can tell you what the Apostle Paul said to say about people that do that.

[@jeffdollar1646]

@@samhalemba I believe one can benefit greatly from his writings, such as Screwtape Letters and Mere Christianity, but I always recommend him with a grain of salt. Again, exactly how am I preaching another gospel? In this interview I gave an example of presenting Christ to a lost man. The problem from what I see is the failure to recognize the nature of Regeneration. That provides the power to live a holy life, overcome temptation, and be free from the bondage to sin. That is the New Heart of Ezekiel 36, of flesh replacing the one of stone. A new heart on the inside will be evident by a changed life on the outside. Is that the other gospel you're talking about?

[@samhalemba]

@@jeffdollar1646 well let's end the argument and just tell me what you believe someone has to do to be saved

[@samhalemba]

@@jeffdollar1646 Crickets on my question here. This should be alarming to whoever sees this

[@jeffdollar1646]

@@samhalemba that, my friend, is in the interview. Here's an exposition on the topic of the New Birth that would explain that in more detal. kzbin.info/www/bejne/q3isfYdplLJnqMk

[@chelseahuff4733]

Such a great interview!!!! Eye opening. I'm from Pennsylvania too I live in Latrobe it's literally Mr.Rogers neighborhood lol

[@jeffdollar1646]

Was there a few weeks ago preaching at the Hope Evangelical Methodist Church, on Church Street. The pastor is an excellent Bible teacher if you were looking for a church to visit.

[@chelseahuff4733]

I really am looking for a new home church for me and my 18 month old daughter to be apart of. I was brought up pentecostal but after my husband passed away last year from COVID I have been going to his Catholic church to to stay in his family's good graces lol.

[@jeffdollar1646]

@@chelseahuff4733 the pastor's name is Bill Lueke , I think they would be of great help to you facebook.com/hopechurchyoungstown/

[@samhalemba]

21 minutes in...they don't even believe in soul winning and mock soul winners...but they were loyal members of a New IFB church what a joke.

[@cameradollies18]

We do go soul winning and whomever i come in contact with, I absolutely share the love of Jesus. I urge you to approach a stranger in the grocery store or a homeless person at a stoplight, you know, when you are alone and most vulnerable. Will you be able to really speak of the free gift of salvation when not surrounded by your friends? I challenge you

[@samhalemba]

@@cameradollies18 You just did a whole video setting Dollar up to disparage soul winning and mock soul winners. If you really are a soul winner shame on you for discoraging others and making a deal with the devil to settle a score.

[@cameradollies18]

@@samhalemba lol, I went soul winning this morning. I recommend you find a church where the pastor can counsel you. Ill pray for you.

[@jeffdollar1646]

@@samhalemba i have no problem with biblical evangelism, only the fake stuff perpetrated by the NIFB.

[@samhalemba]

@@jeffdollar1646 you would have told the Ethiopian Eunuch his conversion was fake

[@CyrusOfNaias]

As far as the Reprobate Doctrine goes, I agree with my pastor when he says, "A Reprobate will do all of those things in Romans 1, but doing those things in themselves doesn't make you a reprobate. Rejecting God makes you reprobate." So I agree that there are confused people among the "LGBT Community" who are _not_ reprobate. Though unless it's to get them saved, I wouldn't want to be around them

[@jeffdollar1646]

There are indeed "reprobates", those rejected by God, but they generally are not the same people Anderson refers to. The Bible speaks of a sin unto death, Jesus taught of a sin against the Holy Spirit, so we do see there is some basis for writing some off. But if one uses the list in Romans 1, that would mean everything from idolatry, sexual immorality, down to envy would gave to be included. Rather, it appears such is limited to those who sin against truth with their eyes wide open, and the Spirit leaves them to their own devices. Hebrews warns that such as turn from the faith in such a manner cannot be renewed. So Anderson and his cronies, with all their bluster against the Sodomites, are way off on this teaching as well.

[@apleb6472]

@@jeffdollar1646 Jeff, ur problem is that u traded one Apollos for another: Jack Hyles for John Calvin

[@CyrusOfNaias]

Sin entered the world through Adam but we are not personally guilty of Adam's sin. That is what Anderson stated is the Catholic doctrine of "Original Sin", which gives way to baby baptisms. Whereas to be saved, you have to 1) have sinned 2) know Right from Wrong, and thereby know you have sinned 3) comprehend the Gospel and believe it. Babies can do none of those things. They are alive without the Law, until the Commandment comes, and Sin revives. - Surely you know this, but I'm just saying that's how I understand Pastor Anderson's perspective on the matter of "Original Sin"

[@jeffdollar1646]

The very first part of your post, "we are not personally guilty", identifies this teaching as "Pelagianism". That emphasized that the child was therefore a blank slate, or actually "innocent" of sin until actually committing it. And he commits it in actuality, not because he is corrupt and prone to it, but because of his bad environment. Anderson may not be a complete Pelagian, but he certainly goes further than modern semi-Pelagians. Two problems with this position: if there is indeed a corruption in the infant that eventually leads it to sin, does God overlook that inherent corruption to allow such an infant into the perfect state of heaven? Secondly, why do infants die? I visit a grave that contains my older brother, who never saw the light of day - died before he was born - he was under the curse of death, though "innocent". No, there is indeed an inherent guilt which brings the curse of death, at the very moment of conception. I deal with this in another video on infants who die. Because of the nature of God, we believe He saves such babies, but He does so the same way He saves anyone else - through the blood of Christ. Anderson and other Arminian-leaning teachers have a hard time with that, because obviously the baby can do nothing, it cannot believe or call on the name of the Lord - but biblical theology teaches that regeneration is a work of the Spirit and as the wind does what He wants - and can enter the womb of a mother and effect His work. We saw that in John the Baptist, who rejoiced in Messiah even as a babe in the womb. That does not negate faith and repentance, for that will certainly come as soon as child is able to comprehend. BUT - if we are going to teach infant salvation, it must be this way or we enter the realm of heresy. kzbin.info/www/bejne/j6bKkmeVeMahhLc kzbin.info/www/bejne/rX7HfHl8jJuqa8k kzbin.info/www/bejne/r4m9p6ymrst_aJY

[@Moodamage]

@@jeffdollar1646 I'm confused, where do you say babies go if they die?

[@jeffdollar1646]

@@Moodamage I believe that babies, like all children of Adam, deserve to go to Hell because of their inherent corruption. However because of the nature of God, I believe He makes provision for then in Christ. Not having actually violated the law, and given no opportunity to repent and believe the gospel, I believe God provides for them to go to Heaven. See the links to the video in the previous comments where I teach on this subject, if you need further clarification.

[@aaroncrawford5638]

I remember when someone rebuked me over spewing the “reprobate” doctrine about 10 years ago. The thing he said is “who God hates is HIS business (in reference to the reprobate), our command is to love.”

[@agnusdei4671]

Amen to that one clue to the clueless steve anderson followers .For God does not wish the death of any sinner.

[@samhalemba]

In Psalm 139 David says he hates those that hate God with a perfect hatred and is grieved by those that rise up against God.

[@seansimpson485]

Revelation 2:8 But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitanes, which I also hate. Sounds to me like God was commending the church of ephesus for hating what he hates. So I think it's okay to God if we hate what he also hates..

[@KMT65]

@@seansimpson485 so I assume you understand your KJV bible says one of the 7 things God "hates" are "those that sow discord among brethren". NO ONE does more to sow discord among Christian brothers than IFB wack job preachers like Anderson, Shelley, Jimenz, Rager etc etc..All of them are just loud, arrogant, rude, brutish ( there is a another kjv word for you) men that are masquerading as "pastors".

[@romanc.5074]

You don't hate sin?!

[@rockchalk9078]

This was hard to listen to and eventually had to end it due to the fact that they both are talking over one another and want to talk at the same time. Very frustrating.

[@ChristopherJones-ho8ej]

Proper church government would solve a lot of those issues.

[@Kman.]

I've got some questions I'd be curious to know the answers to that weren't asked. Maybe if either Nathan or April are reading this, they can reply. Or if a member/former member who has 1st hand knowledge wants to weigh in, please do so. *1* How long has this couple been saved? A number of things lead me to believe that they're young in the faith. *2* How many people show up Sun AM/PM & to the mid week services? *3* They have a large family by most people's standards & they also are very young. What's a 10yr age range be for members of the church? What percentage of folks in the church or let's say over 55 or so, and the general makeup as far as age goes? *4* Of however many show up to the services each week, is there a large # of families made up of 5 or more, or are there a good number of single people? If you've got 40 people attending & 12 family units, that's different dynamic than if you had 20 couples. Quite a bit to learn from hearing their background that they lightly touched on towards the end of the video.

[@cameradollies18]

I'm 44 years and been saved since 2003. Nathan is 40 and got saved 3 yrs ago.

[@Kman.]

@@cameradollies18 , and no comment as to the average age attendee...average family unit size...how many show up in church for the services? Thx, and enjoy your weekend ;)

[@Kman.]

@Steven Anderson Be Lying FWBC Sure, and I can't keep up with the videos that are up online *NOW* (as far as FWBC) ...are those from *CURRENT* messages, or some time back? I believe he changed the mural & a few o/cosmetic changes to what's viewable by way of the camera. I thought the "current" layout has the pulpit on a raised platform area(?) that would not be any higher than approx 8"? Either way... As far as Stedfast OKC where this young couple was attending...any guess as to how many show up to *THOSE* services, and how many family units there would be that make that number up? Later~~~:)

[@Kman.]

@Steven Anderson Be Lying FWBC That channel only has a few videos, *ONE* of which was uploaded 7yrs ago. This channel here has had a _FLOOD_ of short snippets from full length videos, and it's got his name on it. So is this him, or one of his fans? *kzbin.info/door/J0Doki6FTIy35iiVMYRJawfeatured*

[@boicetar]

I’d like to add one question if I may. How many people join the church through online sermons vs door to door soul winning?

[@monawhitney3283]

Uh, demon lady, there is only one way to be saved.

[@jeffdollar1646]

You mean by faith alone through Jesus Christ?

[@monawhitney3283]

Believing in the Lord Jesus Christ. Believing that God sent his son Jesus to provide covering for our sin through his crucifixion, burial, resurrection. There is nothing one do to please the father of one doesn't have faith.

[@samhalemba]

1 Cor 5 is a "cult mindset" I guess....well in Dollar's ESV Bible it probably says to accept all sin among the brethren

[@cameradollies18]

I didn't see any evidence of pride, envy, gluttony etc from Pastor Dollar. I also met one of his elderly deacons. I wish we could have adopted him as the children's grandpa because he was so nice. So, to answer your question, no evidence of wicked sinning going on. Pretty down to earth fellow!

[@agnusdei4671]

i guess you must worship steve anderson hmmm.

[@agnusdei4671]

and actually the ESV doesnt .

[@eastmanresearch3143]

@@cameradollies18 I am not a calvinist (Pastor Dollar claims to be) but I agree with you that Pastor Dollar is a sincere man who is doing these videos out of his conviction and care for others who were part of the cult - not a vendetta against the nifb. The difference is that a calvinist does not really believe in free will when taking the ideology to it's logical conclusion. I have some family that is calvinist and they constantly re-iterate the talking points like a politicial rival - and always use the armenian strawman argument when there are so many passages to in the bible to destroy the calvinist doctrine. They will tell me that if one verse that can be taken out of context supports calvinism then that's all they need. Some have a hard time dealing with Heb 2:9 and they want to claim Paul did not write it. I will acknowledge that many calvinists can be dedicated christians, but one thing that has stood out to me is it alleviates their own self-guilt from how their children turned out (being unbelievers) under their care and guidance.

[@ashlimyers207]

i hope your not going to judge the book by its cover because my IFB church is NOTHING like this! I am open to question my pastor privately and do so. Sometimes we disagree. Fellowship is amazing. Nothing is tallied. Deacons are Godly humble men. We are poor but very rich. I can guarantee you that every single denomination has churches that are corrupt like this some denominations more than others. So I have no idea what your point is by this interview. The only point that I could really glean from this is saying don’t go to that church specifically but don’t you dare say don’t go to independent fundamental Baptist churches because, that would be wicked. It’s everybody’s personal choice where to go and you shouldn’t be trying to influence them and making them be stereotypical when they’re thinking forcing that upon them like Satan.

[@jeffdollar1646]

If that is the case regarding your church, then this was not directed at them. Each IBF church is different and represent different strains of influence. Those influenced by Hyles, Ruckman, or the Sword of the Lord are the primary focus of this interview. There are some errors within the movement that need to be confronted - such as the serious error of denying repentance from sin in the gospel, or making unbiblical demands such as KJV only that are signs that a church is falling into this category, at least to some degree.

[@ashlimyers207]

@@jeffdollar1646 my church is absolutely KJV only and I myself believe that because I’ve researched it myself. Do we believe that it’s the only Bible that can be used to save people absolutely not. People are saved by the word of the Lord. Is it the only Bible serious Bible students should use and sanctification and becoming spiritually mature. Absolutely. Not to mention it’s the most pleasing to the heart and soul considering its poetic nature. I love my king James Bible. In fact, it doesn’t leave my side I take it everywhere with me.

[@cameradollies18]

This interview was meant to be about the NIFB and the rotten fruit of Steven Anderson. We like IFB churches and have KJV Bibles as our preferred Bible. We cannot for the life of us find a good church in our area though. The closest one would be Stacey Shiffletts church which is two hours away.

[@jeffdollar1646]

@@cameradollies18 Don't be afraid to look outside the box. We attended and later joined a PCA church, where I wasn't fond of the music or Bible version, and unfamiliar with the style of worship (more formal than we were accustomed to), but turned out to be exactly what we needed at that point in our lives.

[@PracticalBibleStudies]

Great video. Ive made a couple addressing Steven Anderson and his blatantly un-Christian antics.

[@michaelkemple1113]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/qGPUdpKnjcljfLc

[@jefferyoliver29]

I Cor. 6:9-11.

[@coreykjvbaptist4241]

unfortunate you would say this about Baptists.

[@jeffdollar1646]

This should be clarified - I am singling out a particular type of Baptist that needs to be exposed, not Baptists in general. John Bunyan, Charles Spurgeon, and John Gill were all Baptists, and I highly respect them, utilize their work, and recommend them. Our primary guest speaker at our church for nearly a decade, until he passed away, was a Baptist. We are exposing in these videos a particular kind of false Baptist, who deny biblical doctrine and history.

[@geoffreydrummond8483]

At the last bit where Pastor Shelly is confronting Nathan about agreeing that pastor Shelly was a loser and that he was beating a dead horse was wrong! no one should call their Pastor a loser or even agreeing that he was one behind their backs non the less! That's wicked and the weird thing is that Nathan is sorry for offending him?? but at the same time fail to see or admit that he was in the wrong by agreeing that pastor Shelly was a loser or beating a dead horse?? even know Pastor Shelly was giving him so much chances to apologize! anybody in their right mind can see That Pastor Shelly was in the right. All this is is that the man had too much pride to admit that he was in the wrong because my guess is that he thought his manhood was a stake! judging by the level of dominance Pastor Shelly was projecting toward him in the voice recording. Nathans can forget about his manhood at that point! Hahaha but the sad thing is that he really should have measured himself as a man before agreeing to very wicked things behind pastor Shelly back and not think Pastor Shelly was gonna correct him on it ...??? That's stupid the man is a pastor for a reason!! I'm sure Pastor Shelly would have respected him more if he would have just said what he really thought about him in his face!!

[@cameradollies18]

You are misunderstanding the situation. Brother Ballard was calling Adam Fannin a loser and by Shelley repeatedly railing on Fannins sermons is not edifying to the body in which, my husband agreed. Take a listen to any of Shelley's sermons and see if you are edified. We, certainly, are not. No one, at anytime, called Shelley a loser BUT Shelley has NO ISSUES calling people Southern Bastards, idiots, losers, weirdos, etc. You will hear that in the language of his cronies. They are all mirror images of Anderson and Shelley. These, my friend, are not Christians.

[@toddmcrae3834]

The NIFB has disbanded.

[@listenup872]

Hold tight IFB, your persecution is at hand. These devils seek to quell and dissolve the word of God.

[@jeffdollar1646]

Exactly how is the Word being quelled and dissolved?

[@jena9176]

PASTOR DOLLAR, I'M PERPLEXED WHY YOU DIDN'T GIVE THIS COUPLE A BOTTLE OF WATER EACH IN THIS DISCUSSION, YOU PERIODICALLY DRANK FROM YOUR BOTTLE OF WATER IN FRONT OF THEM. ALSO, IT WAS RUDE OF NATHAN TO PICK UP HIS CELL PHONE AND BECAME ENGROSSED WITH IT WHILE HIS WIFE WAS TALKING ABOUT THE LADY WHO HAS CANCER.

[@cameradollies18]

Jen, we were offered water beforehand but already had our own. Nathan was texting our daughter because she was watching our little kids. We have 5 ages 13 to 1. I hope that answers your questions. Please let me know if you have any further questions.

[@jeffdollar1646]

I think April answered your questions, but things were a tad bit hectic and unorganized. I came rushing in after getting off early from work, and Nathan and April had just traveled several hours with a carload of kids. We pieced it all together in the time we had, so that may explain some of the disorder.

[@jena9176]

@@cameradollies18 MY SINCERE APOLOGIES IF I SEEMED CRASS,IT WASN'T MY INTENTION, I WAS JUST CONCERNED MAKING GENERAL OBSERVATIONS. ALWAYS REMEMBER THAT JESUS WILL NEVER LEAVE NOR FORSAKE US. I SAT THIS MORNING WATCHING THE SUN RISE, IT'S A REMINDER OF JESUS RISING FROM THE GRAVE. GOD WILL RIGHT EVERY WRONG IN HIS DUE TIME. IF YOU DON'T MIND I'D LIKE TO KEEP YOUR FAMILY IN MY PRAYERS. DRAW CLOSE TO THE LORD AS HE OUR REFUGE. MAY GOD KEEP YOUR FAMILY IN HIS LOVING GRACE.

[@jena9176]

@@jeffdollar1646 INDEED, THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE TIME TO CLARIFY PASTOR, AND MORE IMPORTANTLY TAKING TIME TO SPEAK WITH NATHAN AND APRIL. EDIFICATION TOWARD OUR BRETHREN CAN BE SO IMPORTANT, ESPECIALLY THOSE WHO ARE MADE TO TRUDGE THROUGH THE MUCK AND MIRE AS THIS FAMILY CERTAINLY HAVE. THANK YOU PASTOR FOR BEING A BLESSING TO THEM. IRON SHARPENETH IRON. GOD BLESS

[@cameradollies18]

@@jena9176 thank you

[@thekingslady1]

28:00 hahaha...I don't know where you are getting that Intel from. A freezing day in hell the day The Catholic Church ever makes Martin Luther a saint😂 I think they put him on some Vatican stamp or something and the uproar with that move was NOT LITTLE. Trust me!

[@jeffdollar1646]

I would be skeptical of any positive vibes for Luther coming from Rome.

[@thekingslady1]

@@jeffdollar1646 Don't know if you remember but ever since my last run-in with you from months ago, God has called me back to the Faith of my birth -The Catholic Faith. After 15 years of waiting. He fixed ALL the issues I had with her and I am so glad to be finally free from the Christian Evangelical Paradigm and it's numerous aggravating issues (Thank God!😅). I am at about the 40min mark and I see you exhibiting that fraudulence I came to despise in the Evangelical Paradigm. "The Catholic Church" in both the Apostles' and Nicene Creeds is about the Catholic/Orthodox Church. Yes, it means universal but not merely so. You know this....I know for a fact you know this! Yet you choose to deceive your less theologically sound neighbor. Two, "Original Sin" is a Catholic/Orthodox concept...like many other concepts used in Christiandom (Trinity, Two Natures of Christ, etc. etc.). These concepts ARE NOT Biblical (necessarily), they were revealed by God THROUGH the Catholic and Orthodox Churches. St. Augustine postulated the Doctrine of Original Sin and he is a Catholic/Orthodox Church Father. Don't feel attacked by my comment (as I notice Evangelicals are wont to) I am simply stating facts and opinions and defending my Church that I have now come to love and cherish😍

[@reasonfiles2710]

For more information on the Anderson / Romero / Fannin Saga please see Reason Files KZbin channel.

[@cbak1819]

What does IFB stand for?

[@jeffdollar1646]

Independent Fundamental Baptist

[@TyCampbellTX]

Some IFB churches are bad... all New IFB churches are bad

[@KMT65]

I enjoy your videos Jeff. I am not a member of an IFB church. This couple are not very articulate people. I do not mean to be unkind. Based on their own comments and history, they seem to keep "jumping from the frying pan, into the fire". I assume they (and you) understand the Amish treat their defectors the same way as the IFB does. They "disown" them. Why in God's name would you go from a solid, biblical ministry like Greg Laurie's Harvest Chapel to some nut jobs like Steadfast? Was there NO non-denominational ministry in Oklahoma when you moved? If a ministry says "independent-fundamental-kjv only" on their sign or website, that should be an automatic red flag! That should tip you off the church will be filled with drama, personality centered, pastor dictator, legalistic and angry. I grew up in it, the first 20 years of my life. My best friend and I spent all kinds of time together and spent time in and out of church together. He graduated and went to Hyles-Anderson college in 1977. I visited him one weekend. I got a bad feeling in just 2 days. After that, HA convinced my friend he was a "preacher boy" and I wasn't. He drifted away and our friendship ended. It grieves me to this day. It was almost 'cultish'. Keep up the good work Jeff.

[@jeffdollar1646]

Hello Ken, glad the videos are of help - I have discussed the issue of the Amish with this couple, and since then have had personal experience and met others in from the Amish the community which verified what you have said. Sadly, for the most part, the Amish are as far from the true gospel as the pope. Their are remnants among them which have come to the knowledge of the truth, but they soon find themselves on the outside looking in. Those of us living in the same communities as the Amish recognize that though they put on a holy, separated appearance, they are sinners like everyone else. .The lifestyle is very attractive to some, but the spiritual side of it is quite detrimental. Nathan and April have been on a spiritual journey for a while, and I really can't answer for some of the past decisions they made or why they made them. I am glad, however, that they were able to get out of the church they were in and I hope they are heading in a more biblical direction. I understand the situation with your friend - I was at HAC and FBC from 1979 to 1984. People on the outside are much more able to recognize the cultish nature of the group than those on the inside. Is really does disrupt families and ruin friendships, unless the Lord in His mercy intervenes and delivers those involved.

[@KMT65]

Thanks Jeff. Enjoy and appreciate your reasoned, biblical response. It sets you apart from some other "KZbin IFB" channels. So glad you spoke with the couple regarding the Amish belief system, before they may have been drawn into their community. The Amish and the NIFB have a number of similarities oddly enough. I carried the weight for a number of years of being 'rejected' because I wasn't "preacher boy material" according to Hyles Anderson. I knew all the "approved" Independent Fundamental colleges at the time. Hyles, Midwestern (Tom Malone), Tennessee Temple, Pensacola, Maranatha etc etc. God had other plans for me, and it turned out well. Praise God. Thanks again brother.

[@jeffdollar1646]

@@KMT65 one of the worst thing the IFB movement did to the young men was attempt to force them all into the ministry. I have friends and family who shipwrecked the faith attempting to pursue something for which they were not called or gifted.

[@cameradollies18]

@@KMT65 Hello Ken, this is April Marquis. My husband and I quickly learned about the roots of the Amish and how they are riddled with sexual immorality, divination, superstition etc. We actually are friends with Pastor Joe Keim, who is founder to a ministry called Mission to Amish People based out of Ohio. And, yes I know we were a little bit all over the map. We were nervous and it was our first time doing an interview of that nature.

[@donaldrice5281]

Sure there's going to be controversy and desention thanks to Jesuit s like you who help fulfill Bible prophecy that says all who live godly in Christ shall suffer persicution

[@marksorenson5871]

Let your wife talk- she’s much brighter than you. You talk over her comstantly

[@herewegokids7]

Growing up IFB (missionary parents) and later exposure to renegade pastors such as Doug Phillips, Doug Wilson, Michael Pearl pushed me into the Catholic Church. In a nutshell I came to believe that if we are to reform the Church from the inside, we may as well begin at the beginning. We have our real problems. But the structure IS there for checks and balances. It's not always properly utilized but everyone knows what it is. The laity do have recourse, a voice, and leverage. In fact I've been in parishes where priests were admonished, corrected, and reporrted to the archdiocese for teaching incorrectly, and many times it's by converts bc we tend to know the Scriptures more thoroughly. But I've even heard cradle Catholic old ladies be like "yeah Fr Brandon....bless his heart....lol" Just bc a priest says it, gives it very little authority in a Catholic church. It really reigns their ego in unless they get a KZbin channel lol. The Magisterium is the authority, and even Pope's can't change it. I'd rather deal w a renegade Pope in Rome who has no power to materially change the doctrine, than an out of control tyrant behind my pulpit. Even though Sunday mass attendance is REQUIRED as a tenant of the faith, nobody checks up on you, pressures you....they consider you a free agent and an adult. That's between you and God unless you cause public scandal with unrepentant sin. There is zero micromanaging. Not on dress standards, music, diet, who you date, movie attendance, etc. The priest may address some of these issues from the pulpit if he's a good priest, but I've been in IFB services where individuals were called out by name and humiliated in the congregation. I am very happy where I am!!! Even in the face of sexual scandal, a corrupt hierarchy, political machinations etc. The gates of hell shall not prevail. I do have just one correction for the brother regarding Martin Luther. The church has absolutely not sainted him! 😆 There is no feast day for Luther on our liturgical calendar. However in recent remarks and also interfaith conferences, it has been admitted that some of the issues, not all, leading to his excommunication were over doctrinal semantics, so to speak. That the current understandings of some things are closer than it appeared at the time. Things possibly could have been ironed out had political leaders not gotten involved w their separate agendas using Luther as a pawn.

[@montaguproctor-beauchamp8579]

2 Timothy 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;

[@gwecasagwecasa2928]

Praise God. I took a similar path to yours and am now in Jesus's original Church, the Catholic Church. The only thing I'd addis they don't have the Eucharist. If the miracle of Transubtantiation of the bread and wine into the Eucharist is true (look up Eucharistic miracles), everyone is meant to be Catholic.

[@Thomas-lm1cn]

Bryan Denlinger from King James Video Ministries exposed the "New IFB" plenty of times.

[@cameradollies18]

I subscribe to his channel.

[@jeffdollar1646]

He does, and does a good job on several of his videos, such as those exposing Jack Hyles. His doctrine on the Trinity is concerning, however, and I would hesitate to recommend him based on that and some other doctrinal issues.

[@jimmason5738]

I didn't know there was a "New" IFB. I never was a fan of the Hyles. "123 repeat after me" method.

[@jeffdollar1646]

I didn't know either until I started doing these videos.

[@smc2673]

Save souls? LOL

[@smc2673]

Some homosexuals will be saved? The so-called churches in America need to worry about all the present day pedophiles, rapists and adulterers (divorced & remarried) banging their chests.

[@johnq4396]

I am dumber for watching this video. Amish would have kicked you two out for sure...just sooner.

[@jeffdollar1646]

There comes a time for removing members from the church, but not at the whim of the pastor. The other factor is that these folks were products of the extreme IFB world, and to be able to function at anything near a biblical Christian under those circumstances is commendable.

[@corkjv]

58:56 lol shes jabbing him under the table for revealing too much. Poor guy......

[@cameradollies18]

No, I did not want him to say anymore names of people for their protection

[@LaGeRcs]

😂😂😂

[@monawhitney3283]

Liars.

[@jeffdollar1646]

If any of the information presented on this video is proven false, I will provide a retraction. Please specify.

[@ainemairead4542]

Is Jonathon Shelly even a Christian

[@jeffdollar1646]

That's a legitimate question

[@MattMinistry]

This interview was weak. The NIFB has been a real blessing. Skip straight to the end and listen to the interaction between the man and pastor Shelley. This guy is a weirdo

[@jeffdollar1646]

The issue here is not the personality of Nathan Marquis, but the treatment he received from a man who was supposedly his overseer. His great sin was simply agreeing that the pastor was spending too much time and effort attacking his predecessor. There was never any real spiritual guidance or oversight from this man, but as soon as a remark was made "attacking" him on social media, he was pounced upon. Then the demand was made that he basically bend over and kiss the guys ring in a humiliating, forced apology - which Nathan was man enough to reject. So he is then cast out of the church, along with the acting pastor, simply for agreeing with a social media comment. Everything about the Hyles legacy - including the NIFB - smells of heresy, scandal, and tyrannical pseudo-preachers who have not the love of Christ in their hearts.

[@ellisseven9520]

This guy is a Pastor? This type of man should "not" be teaching anyone.

[@meganotofthisworld]

Boy, your long intro, blabbing and blabbing! Cut it short

[@aiksneffects]

""He was called the "Trashcan Baptist" by Steven Anderson because he was associated with Michael Johnson "" @ 07.31. Lol, Steven Anderson never fail to display his fruits and footprints.

[@michaelhernon8163]

Has anyone ever considered the possibility that this is SILLY 😜.

[@jeffdollar1646]

In what way?

[@michaelhernon8163]

@@jeffdollar1646 In Christianity it's very common for these groups like IFB & New IFB to talk trash & verbally attack each other over Silly childish things & Johnathan Shally is a good example of that. Then you guys make a video about him & his church. Your beliefs are almost exactly the same you belong to the same religion ,you worship the same God you & worship the same book. It's funny in a silly way to see Pastor Shally act like an bratty teenager & while this couple seem to be honest really you couldn't find a couple that makes clear points step by step in an easy to follow time line ?? This couple is not mindful of their words & they keep talking over each other. I could go on & on but it's late & your response to this will mostly be a quote from the Bible.....I don't think Christianity is a good fit for you why don't you give Hinduism a try they don't have all this childish in fighting.

[@jeffdollar1646]

@@michaelhernon8163 as an outsider, I doubt you have the ability to discern what exactly are "silly and childish" in matters of Christian theology. What I mention in this video - original sin and regeneration, for example, are extremely vital in understanding the difference biblical and pseudo Christianity. The group we are dealing with seriously deviates from orthodoxy, and the behavior if this so-called pastor is merely symptomatic of these greater issues.

[@michaelhernon8163]

@@jeffdollar1646 Well..... I grew up in a Baptist home with 2 parents who are practicing Baptist to this day....& I'll bet you my right leg I have a deeper understanding of Christian theology than you. Well of course I have no interest in who is right & who is wrong in these Silly disagreements I am positioned to not have a bias & can see clearly what you cannot. The fact that I am an outsider gives me a better point of view you are so busy taring each other down this is a real sighn of spiritual Silliness.

[@jeffdollar1646]

@@michaelhernon8163 you understand then the serious differences between this group and most Christian churches in the area of Regeneration and Sanctification.

[@danocon92]

Weirdo's.

[@danocon92]

@@cameradollies18 never flipped one

[@danocon92]

@@cameradollies18 You and the whole church knows, I drank, drove, and Wrecked a truck, not flipped. So what? You trying use that as blackmail? Lol But solid advice, I wont do that again 👌

[@cameradollies18]

@@danocon92 Sorry, I made the comment but why are you watching this interview to begin with? I thought Shelley wants his members to have nothing to do with "losers?"

[@danocon92]

@@cameradollies18 lol thats funny. We saw through y'all fake spiritual holier than THOU personalities from the start. I was told about this interview so just wanted to see the lies you spew about us. You two are desperate for attention. When someone gets kicked out, you'd think you just move on with your life or get right instead of attacking everyone and crying cult. Romero kicked me out for that stunt you brought up, and never cried cult lol. 😎👍

[@cameradollies18]

@@danocon92 Okay. Im good with that!

[@brandondaniel4266]

The fact his wife's rules over him is proof they aren't saved

[@michaelkemple1113]

Spoken like a true member of the NIBF cult. Who made you the arbiter of salvation. And what's it to you how a another man related to his wife. The NIFB is without mercy and christian charity and lacks judgment.

[@brandondaniel4266]

@@michaelkemple1113 Dose thou do the same?

[@logankaylor9571]

Okay hold on i think the NIFB is great but why in the world would you say "because his wife rules over him means they're not saved"?

[@brandondaniel4266]

@@logankaylor9571 It was a joke because I've heard NIFB preachers say this form the pulpit

[@logankaylor9571]

@@brandondaniel4266 i doubt that

[@Earlybird86]

Going to church is just too much hassle