Interview with L. Ron Hubbard in Zimbabwe

This interview was filmed in May 1966 in Rhodesia (now Zimbabwe). Scientology claims this was a candid media interview with a legitimate journalist. In fact, the person asking him the
questions is Scientologist Tony Hitchman. The questions and answers were entirely scripted.
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Outline:
0:00 - What is Scientology
0:34 - How did Scientology start?
3:17 - What was the first discovery of Scientology?
4:12 - Does Scientology compare to Religion?
5:22 - What happened after the first discovery of Scientology?
6:22 - How can Scientology help the common man?
8:25 - Where does the spirit come into Scientology?
10:08 - How disciplined is Scientology?
11:19 - Is Scientology like psychiatry or psychology?
13:05 - Is "Man know thyself" part of Scientology?
13:35 - How much training does a Scientology auditor receive?
14:59 - Are "beingness" and IQ the same?
15:47 - Can IQ be raised through Scientology?
17:25 - What makes a good auditor?
18:23 - How does someone get into Scientology?
19:02 - What books had Hubbard written on Scientology?
20:14 - How is Scientology different than Dianetics?
20:34 - When did Dianetics really begin?
21:29 - What is Scientology auditing?
24:01 - Why won't Scientology help the insane?
24:45 - What illnesses can Scientology cure?
25:12 - Why doesn't the medical profession use Scientology?
25:33 - Is Scientology a money-making racket?
26:34 - How does Scientology define the spirit?
28:38 - What is the difference between the mind and spirit?
31:13 - Are Scientologists religious people?
32:06 - Can a Scientologist be a member of another religion?
32:31 - Is Scientology a religion?
33:25 - Are all other religions too narrow in their views?
34:51 - What does Scientology believe about life after death?
35:22 - What has Scientology proved in the spiritual field?
35:57 - Is man basically good?
36:20 - Does man help himself with Scientology?
37:13 - Is auditing a form of hypnotism?
38:52 - Are drugs used in auditing?
39:06 - What is an e-meter and how does it work?
40:00 - What is the mental state of someone getting auditing?
40:48 - Does Scientology create an anarchy?
41:41 - Does Scientology negatively impact personality?
42:21 - Can you measure how Scientology improves people?
43:09 - Does organized religion oppose Scientology?
43:46 - What use is Scientology to the man on the street?
45:03 - Having a low idea of a normal human's life.
46:09 - What is the advantage of Scientology over all other beliefs?
46:39 - Is Scientology growing?
46:59 - Are Scientology beliefs changing?
47:30 - Is there an end point to Scientology auditing?
48:24 - What is the purpose of life?

[@full-light]

This guy couldn't open his mouth without lying. How so many people were conned by a comic book writer is beyond me.. Never underestimate the gullibility of people.

[@BarbaraSwanson]

"I've slept with bandits in Mongolia". Oh that is priceless. He sounds like he's scripting Princess Bride II

[@sigrunwestrus68]

He had a vivid fantasie I have to give him that. 😀

[@pellelov5081]

And pygmeer in philippines, there are no pygmeer in philippines.

[@ChristinaB9782]

Bawhahaha! 🤣

[@sigrunwestrus68]

@@pellelov5081 If LRH said there was, it must be true! Hahahaha.......

[@mindsigh4]

@@pellelov5081 yeah, but he's a scientist, a scifientologist

[@Cuba_on_fire]

Well, that’s 49 minutes that I will never get back. It boggles my mind that someone can listen to this and actually want to go along with it.

[@chrissiep1664]

I can’t believe that any reasonably clever person could fall for this nonsense!

[@Cuba_on_fire]

@@chrissiep1664 it’s a shame the interviewer was so polite, there were many moments to push back on his responses.

[@ChrisAthanas]

He designs his material for a specific kind of person, def on the spectrum for Asperger's He speaks to the kind of person that thinks in the same way Very smart and overly idealistic and unrealistic and lending to hyperbole

[@flickingbollocks5542]

He talks a lot but doesn't say anything.

[@shelbysawyer6352]

@@flickingbollocks5542 I find that to be a common thing in recordings from this time period. I don’t know how but it always seems like everyone is really great about talking around an issue and building up without any substance.

[@SheilaConvery]

Any time L Ron starts a statement with "...in actual fact..." you know he's right on the verge of just saying some shit he made up himself.

[@MWoods-rs4wp]

Like Brandon saying, “No joke” 😂

[@poiu477]

@@MWoods-rs4wp or Trump saying literally anything

[@rjw8316]

Or Pelosi opening her mouth. Or any liberal politician saying anything.

[@poiu477]

@@rjw8316 Nah, you're just tapped. Conservatism (and religion) has no place in a modern society. Traditional values are lame and unfounded. There is nothing wrong, immoral, or unnatural about LGBT people, nothing wrong with non-traditional relationships, sex education is good, healthy and has positive effects on the rate of children being abused and getting pregnant, drag is not inherently sexual, and the war on drugs is unethical, unconstitutional, and against the freedoms enshrined in the constitution. The vast majority of recreational drugs are less harmful than alcohol, as evidenced by "Drug Harms in the UK: A multicriteria decision analysis" published in The Lancet by D Nutt. All drugs should be legal for adult recreational consumption, ideally sold in state run dispensaries like liquor in NH. This would END the OD epidemic, end dangerous research chemicals being sold as things that are safe like LSD and cannabis, and end the assaults on our 4th amendment by police during "traffic stops". Fetuses aren't people, and we as a society should be working to make having sex less consequential, not more. There is no such thing as 'god' and all that matters in life is having as good a time as possible, while helping others do the same, loving often and a lot, and learning all you can about the universe through valid education and experimentation. There are six vacant homes for every one homeless person in America, that's so wrong. Homes shouldn't be investments; they should be homes. Capitalism is trash and fully automated luxury gay space communism is the future.

[@Zookeeper.]

And you know he has no further argument when you hear "and so on". He says that a lot. Because he has little to say. Pathological liar with no talent, or he would have done a bit better than Xenu, the Thetans, the volcano bombs, and so on.

[@russl9029]

"A brain is sort of a, well i dont know. Brain is brain." - l. Ron Hubbard

[@YenEuroDollar]

No way he says that😭😂😭😂

[@JoeHeine]

16:35

[@blairwigley714]

You, Jon Atack and Mike Rinder should do a live commentary of this. Would be fantastic.

[@Carnelian21]

I concur!

[@bonaqua123]

Jon Atack's knowledge of Scientology chronicles is second to none. Great storyteller as well, would love to hear more from him on this channel. For those interested, SurvivingScientlogy (w. Jeffrey Augustine) channel has some great interviews with Jon Atack on LRH's life as well. Fascinating character...the level of mental gymnastics truly boggles the mind.

[@anneburrough9527]

Yes!! What a great idea.

[@DaisyHollowBooks]

Yeah! Like Mystery Science Theatre 3000!

[@rosebudame]

@@DaisyHollowBooks Perfect! 😂

[@billhaydon8361]

“I haven’t made any money out of $cientology”. Laughable! It’s why he started the scheme/con.

[@ChrisAthanas]

He's so full of shit about everything

[@andrewmclaughlin2701]

If the money coming in is always going out, you can claim you have not benefited from the money.

[@Intercaust]

He's eloquent, confident, and a sociopath. The perfect conman.

[@enigma-yu4jo]

Exactly. There’s always a hidden agenda with sociopaths

[@TimothyOBrien1958]

Didn't con me.

[@Zookeeper.]

Could be a narcissistic personality disorder, too. Close enough, anyway.

[@ChrisAthanas]

He is a master of the craft of duping idealistic dreamers

[@TimothyOBrien1958]

@@ChrisAthanas He even sounds like a grifter.

[@h3agler]

Did LRH reject dentistry as well?

[@sandihill]

The smile that he gets when he thinks he’s said something “brilliant” is very telling, it is no wonder why he makes psychology evil and bad & “so on”

[@prettyinpinky5937]

Reminds me of Grant Cardone in that.

[@ExxylcrothEagle]

Also so forth !! 😂

[@deviljes666]

not at all .. he was running a cult breaking people minds to manipulate , its just common sense to dont send them to get fix XD

[@robinanna5531]

Hey good spot! In case it's interesting at all, there's a name for smiles like that, it's called "duper's delight".

[@andrewmclaughlin2701]

Freud ... "you want to have sex with your mother" L. Ron ... "You are not an animal" Which is healthy?

[@sigrunwestrus68]

How this man was ably to sell this bullshit, is a mystery to me.

[@kenzotenma6791]

I think during Hubbard's time for the vulnerable and desperate his BS must've sounded revolutionary.

[@tiffanyh1274]

With those teeth. 😮

[@mindsigh4]

@@kenzotenma6791 yes, a sanitized, scientific approach to religious questions with rational, practical solutions, dude was a clever marketer too, ahead of his time, but probably a stone cold evil phuck.

[@cricket8438]

@@tiffanyh1274 don’t forget the hair! 😮😵‍💫😳

[@kenzotenma6791]

@@mindsigh4 Without a doubt as you so nicely put it a "stone cold evil phuck" In the going clear documentary it states he was abusive to his wife and towards the end of his life was begging psychiatrist to help him with his sanity. He's a real scum bag to put it mildly.

[@Theslavedrivers]

Would love some A-A-ron commentary on this!

[@rocketscienceinstituteinc8993]

A-Aron! Speak to us please.

[@mindsigh4]

@@SusanaXpeace2u ah, what does AAron know, he was brought up in a cult!

[@coffeyjjj]

@mindhigh - what do you know, fool?

[@DawnDavidson]

@@mindsigh4😂 hahah!

[@purpledragonfly313]

He clearly adopted many of the traits from respected and powerful men of his youth. The way he speaks, his tone, the studious way he walks and stands by the fireplace (didn’t nail the pose, buddy) ++. Very interesting to see and I can see how that would work at his time, because they were used to those signs being trustworthy. A skilled con man 🤷🏼‍♀️

[@daveowens271]

I noticed that too. It was all about the affect.

[@goldilox369]

No, I am almost certain Scientology has modified most all of his lectures to give it that deep, thoughtful tone on purpose. I heard it on an interview. He actually talked much higher, and more nasal, they spent time augmenting it for greater effect.

[@purpledragonfly313]

@@goldilox369 So even worse, because the goal was the same, but they actually had to modify the voice after 😅 It wasn’t just the poses he couldn’t pull off… 😏

[@goldilox369]

@@purpledragonfly313 Exactly! LMAO 🤣

[@goldilox369]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/h3iUg5usZp2lhas 1968 interview much more nasal & more in the head, quicker pace, etc. Not completely high, but you can tell the difference.

[@cgbdfb52]

Two observations: 1. This is a study in unbridled hubris. 2. With all his money you would think he would find a decent dentist and hair colorist.

[@prayersquad3391]

Hahahahaha

[@Gfysimpletons]

Well, it was 50+ years ago……not many cosmetic dentists back then……..

[@mindsigh4]

@@Gfysimpletons he was hanging out leeching off of celebrities in Hollywood, i'm guessing he coulda got a referral? but i'm not one to talk, unnerves me sitting in that dentist chair too.

[@evegrinstead2893]

This was actually retouched by Gold Era, can you imagine how yellow his teeth were before they did their magic on it !

[@marlonthomas8042]

Didn’t he avoid the dentist cos he thought they’d implant him while unconscious?

[@fullthrottlemaxrpm]

What’s with his duck lips? I don’t see how people were enamored by him

[@frustrateduser9933]

He was just ahead of the trend.

[@sigrunwestrus68]

@@frustrateduser9933 😀

[@amymarie1298]

I have a hard time not cringing whenever I watch him talk. It's an intuitive inward shuddering kind of revulsion whenever I look at him.

[@Mark-lj1dj]

Whenever I see him speaking I just get the impression that he is very below average

[@MarlaMartenson]

This is fascinating. I’ve heard so much about him, but this is the first time seeing an interview.

[@MusicfromMarrs]

Likely his voice was processed to be much lower and deeper in this video, because Hubbard wanted that so he would sound more authoritative. The content is the same.

[@arru23]

The only non scripted interview with him is in The Shrinking World of L Ron Hubbard, it's also on KZbin

[@newborn986]

Don't let This BS get into you head, he was a deamon to get into your head because no body was like him which his ways probably will send many people to hell.

[@deviljes666]

its not an interview , the guy asking question is a scientologist lol its more propaganda and a way to get people sign in this crap

[@charlottearena]

Fascinating, and dare I say charismatic.

[@MsVC-cs8ks]

🤯 The verbal vomit LRH spews. It's stunning.

[@ProtectTheSecond]

To listen to LRH, in his own words, saying scientology does not and cannot treat medical illnesses is fucking gold.

[@MrRaulstrnad]

but if scientology is true...which it isnt...than it should be able to treat illnesses

[@keithmarshall7715]

​@@MrRaulstrnadDid you know that it is a criminal offence to claim to treat an illness unless you belong to the medical profession

[@LordDirus007]

Because he doesn't believe "Mental Illness" exist. Easy to say Scientology doesn't treat something that doesn't exist to begin with. Interesting enough, you can't "Prove" mental illness in the Scientific sense. There isn't a Blood test, or brain scan that proves a certain mental illness. Psychiatry is subjective currently. I hope one day they have some hard physical test.

[@ambersglass5898]

Muted him and am still totally creeped out! Playing til the end just for Aaron.

[@wendyrussell8344]

OMG I can imitate him and my mother who is 77 and early stage of dementia absolutely cracks up 😂

[@jonathansayson7784]

A A Ron, keep up the good work! Regarding this “interview” posted, reaching out to The Behavior Panel to assess L. Ron Hubbard’s body language would be fascinating if they took it on! 🧐🤨🤣

[@melissarybb]

I wonder if their assessment would be narcissism?

[@HermCore]

I don't think it would take an expert in body language to know how pretentious & full of shit this guy is...But it would be interesting to watch nonetheless

[@CourageGraceandKickintheAss]

@@melissarybb He's very insecure. There are quite a few things that'd apply. His obsession with Freud and Freudian psychoanalysis is astounding. There were definite signs that he'd undergone some of it and Hated what it revealed. This could've happened in many contexts.

[@entangledmindcells9359]

@@CourageGraceandKickintheAss agree.. his disdain for psychology & psychiatry probable is a result of being told about ones self you couldn't handle.. so lets make up our own reality.

[@jeffherron777]

I completely agree ! The Behavior Panel’s analysis would be excellent.

[@awnage]

I first saw this about 23 years ago on the dark web of the early internet. Haven't seen it around since, so well done getting it back online!

[@zeldamenefee5008]

Its also been released on physical DVD

[@tdarben]

Judging by the cheesy repeated repositioning around the room towards the end, Scientology probably can't cure haemorrhoids

[@Strawn149]

“When I was a very young man I decided dental care was BS” LRH

[@trippplecup1563]

We can tell

[@wakedawncat9290]

😂

[@walkawaycat431]

😅🤣😂🤣

[@gclito]

How slimmy he was!!! I don't like speaking badly about dead people kai usually I don't, but this time I couldn't help myself. Soooo slimmy!

[@MrRaulstrnad]

bizarre that people in the fifties and sixties didnt see it

[@ms.harley]

Hearing him and seeing him literally makes me sick. I can't view this. My empath says run as fast as you can

[@kristen8101]

Same with me. He immediately makes the hairs on the back of my neck stand up, and I would just want to get away from him

[@patriktoth9067]

Many people believed him everything. I don't know how. I never like his books.

[@teagannovak3120]

I know, I'm physically nauseous listening to him sell quite literally the exact opposite of what actually happens in there.

[@entangledmindcells9359]

who else would love to see A-aron get a body language expert to analyze this?

[@aoibhg1211]

I can't believe how anyone has ever believed and followed this utter narcissist. Absolutely insane...

[@flemwad]

He hands out more whoppers than burger king

[@MrRaulstrnad]

ha ha

[@trisha4797]

Interesting he lies and avoids. He would have made a good politician!

[@andrea6421]

I agree! I was gonna say he’s a good talker!

[@trisha4797]

@@andrea6421 Mike Rinder says LRH is a good story teller. What I find more interesting is he tell stories and people buy them. Never checking the facts. Although, at that time facts were harder to find.

[@herbzzz]

Hahaha I was thinking EXACTLY the same thing, how did he never run for president lol

[@anniekirts6621]

👍😂😂😂

[@anniekirts6621]

The Grandfather of grifting.... LRH invented The Grift

[@phillip5376]

Great amount of doublespeak, so on and so fourth😂😂😂

[@AliceNsWonderland]

Google says Dianetics was on the best sellers list for a few months, not decades.

[@jenniferjensen8538]

Lol... wORd SaLAd! Oh... my... goodness! I can't with this guy! 🤣

[@photo_paper784]

I would love to know what psychiatric diagnoses LRH would have been given by medical professionals.

[@d.-_-.b]

Temporal Lobe Epilepsy.

[@stevenbass732]

I read that LRH was diagnosed by a Navy psychiatrist as being a paranoid schizophrenic.

[@purpledragonfly313]

I’m thinking he def had some close contact, since he’s so incredibly insane AND he hates phychologists. No way that came out of that blue 🫣

[@alanamileras2329]

@@purpledragonfly313 It came about because Hubbard originally wanted Dianetics used as a psychological treatment. After being thoroughly rejected by the field, he got very angry and from that time forward, railed against mental health professionals.

[@phasis]

Antisocial Personality Disorder. Look it up in the DSM

[@kari-annereedy5857]

Brain is brain, I just died!

[@JustMeNothingToSeeHere]

Mental Health professional here 30+ years (for context relative to my comment): I know nothing about L Ron Hubbard other than my first knowledge about the book Dianetics and I think another book that my mother had about scientology in the 70's. Therefore I've been vaguely familiar all of my life practically but she didn't practice and I had no involvement in it. I have been interested in the psychology of cults, religion, learning, psychosis and the criminal mind since a very young age and this interest drove me to making it my life work. Scientology is a prime example of how a man who seemingly suffers long term psychosis (only observation, not diagnosis) I say this because of the obvious perseveration he has with evil vs good and the hatred of psychology... Combined with his disorganized speech and thought patterns... There are classic tell tale signs of his mental state based upon things such as these. For example, he's asked a question and runs off on a tangent to the subject about which he perseverates (in this case "man") It's a lesson to society that Scientology is an example of how HORRIBLE AND DANGEROUS things have happened in history such as the Holocaust, Slavery, Rogue Governments, Genocide etc... Something that sounds so ridiculous to so many is simultaneously grown and cultivated into a dangerous life and society threatening entity. He speaks in empty circles and perseverates on his own obsessive agenda driven by grandiosity and psychosis (seemingly). Please everyone be alert to the direction where society is going with our "freedoms" because if we don't recognize REALITY in the face of delusion, many people are lost and generations are raised with narrow minded, bigoted, repressive and oppressive views that becomes action. I love the work you're doing Aaron. Please keep up the good work and I hope soooo many more join you in your cause and that someday Scientology can be eliminated.

[@meeekeeey]

Agreed, he's clearly batshit mental.

[@andrewmclaughlin2701]

Slavery and genocide are as old as prostitution and the Holocaust is a Zionist trope to demand money from the West and permit genocide on the Palestinians. Freud ... "You want to have sex with your mother" L Ron ... "You are not an animal" Which statement is healthy?

[@luminousvox29]

All of that from 45 minutes of PR?

[@JustMeNothingToSeeHere]

@@luminousvox29 no based upon many things over the course of years that was presented in such a way to public. An eval irl is roughly 40/50 minutes and a compilation of various sources.. Didn't know the guy, didn't treat him and not trying to diagnose but making educated and experienced observations of what's available. It's not far fetched for an adequate conclusion to be made. He's like a case study. And from a societal point of view, LRH is an example to learn from with regard to influencing masses to follow a destructive agenda. History has too many of them and LRH is just one example.

[@JB-xt3ly]

Love the poppy flowers in the background. Nothing says we love opium or morphine or heroin like poppy.

[@lifesquandered]

I can't imagine being his SO and having to be close to that mouth.

[@qienna6677]

I can understand how people listened to him and thought him insightful, but boy does he go on for ages and talk in circles!

[@unfrozencavemanlawyer3950]

All the knooks and crannies? So he studied English Muffins? Is that a metaphor? 😂

[@ExxylcrothEagle]

😛😛🤣🤣🤣

[@houseofschenck6230]

"Describe the contents of the Encyclopedia Britannica in one word" OK: information

[@stardust4225]

Repulsive yet fascinating! lol thanks for sharing this Aaron! very interesting.

[@sngray11]

Thank you Aaron for sharing this with all of us.

[@maryrivers1502]

"Help the able. Make the able more able" Gee, how kindhearted and giving of you! Why bother with the hurting and downtrodden who find themselves in situations where they are unable.

[@thaliasghost]

Ayn Rand but make it a religion. I'm always surprised at the idea that people got into scientology to help others.

[@davidburroughs2244]

An able salesman selects for those who can afford the product he wishes to sell them. The tons of poor need not apply.

[@CosmicRay111]

The able means those with the able-lity to keep working, earning money, and giving it to Scientology, I must presume.

[@ruthbolton8674]

I also believe that he likes to hear himself in as what he speaks and thinks himself!

[@jamescrossland2599]

Narcissist-ologist? 🤔

[@entangledmindcells9359]

You can tell every time here thinks he said something brilliant.. that creepy smile.

[@Zookeeper.]

He does enjoys himself, it's eerie. He must have had a very supple backbone, I imagine. ... And then, no, I stop imagining. Anybody got mind-soap?

[@ChrisAthanas]

This is an attractive quality to a certain kind of person No wonder he leads a cult

[@raymondkymsuttle]

Omg. I was born in Zimbabwe in Sept 1966. Thank god my parents weren’t into this bs.

[@glendatodd6203]

I was born in Bulawayo in 1960. So this interview was probably done when the country was then called Rhodesia.

[@twilson4631]

Also born in Zim. Zim has enough of its own problems to be adding LRH bull glad he wasn't there for long.

[@mamasuki]

The way he holds his lips and mouth/jaw when he speaks is exactly like my great uncle who was a paranoid schizophrenic. So strange as I can’t think of any others I’ve seen do that.

[@ChrisAthanas]

Yes these.sociopaths all have similar mannerisms and affectations

[@curtisowen]

I was noticing that too

[@kamax7672]

This reminds me of a prolonged Benny Hill skit. Bad hair, bad teeth, uncomfortable leaning on things; rambling on trying to put something together while coming off awkward and a little creepy. I wonder who was emulating who?

[@user-lw4yf8vz6w]

Is this word Salad? Ah yes ... So sad for all that fell for it..

[@deannabibbee4280]

When he's really laying it on thick he touches his face with his hands. A clear tell.

[@mindsigh4]

anyone else notice that Lafayette Ronald Hubbards voice sounds a lot like one Richard Milhouse Nixon? the cadence, tone, timbre, inflection, elocution, enunciation😁 need a pro to help me describe what i'm hearing, but i hear it

[@katherinekhan6892]

Oh great. Now all I hear is Tricky Dick.😊

[@catherinesanchez1185]

I KNEW he sounded like someone famous. Nixon was part of the last generation being elected from promoting on the radio. Once television came about , things changed a bit. Nixon had that "orator" type voice that was big for decades.

[@MusicfromMarrs]

Massaged by the techies at Gold.

[@tomblanco8234]

You're right! His cadence and tone are just like Nixon! I have to give props to Nixon though, Nixon was a much better liar.

[@richardvinsen2385]

Yes. I kept waiting for him to say “When the president does it, that means it is not illegal."

[@melissarybb]

The very first time I heard about xenu & the psychiatrists, my instant reaction was that a psychiatrist told him something he definately didn't want to hear. And it wasn't that the APA didn't want his technology. It explains everything, and Jon Atacks info that he was bi-polar confirmed it to me. Bi-polar is a psychosis; reality is internally driven. This man is nuts. And he definitely didn't want anyone telling him he was, therefore, "we can fix ourselves."

[@mikehoncho5764]

He actually wrote a letter after the army asking for phyciatric help to the veterans hospital and never did it it almost seems as he was trying to treat himself his crazyness while trying to then sell it to make money wich explains why those like tom cruise or david miscavage get more and more crazy as time goes on they become like ron

[@Dystopikachu]

The vast majority of people with bipolar disorder (like me) don't suffer from persistent delusions or psychosis. When you have an episode the delusions you develop tend to be different each time and don't necessarily carry over between manic episodes. Hubbard must really have been something special to be able to convince other people that his delusional rambling were true, if he was actually bipolar it must have been a hindrance as much as an asset. People can be batshit insane even without having a diagnosable mental illness, the mental illness just makes it more obvious to everyone else.

[@SkyFoxCode]

L Ron was Schizophrenic and had been institutionalize previously in life. He was mistreated, so his hatred of psychology made sense. Back then it was in its infancy. He was wrong but it’s understandable why he felt the way he did

[@jerfy2001]

Same thing regarding the tax collectors in the xenu story. It's soooo obvious that he's projecting his own frustration with the irs into his little fairytale lol

[@jonathananaya]

Definitely*

[@lukeandresen9856]

This man took eastern philosophical ideas and practices which westerners were, by and large, unaware of at the time and rebranded them as Scientology. There’s a twinge of self-awareness in him. All of us are complex characters. This man may be 99% a con man but some part of him longed to help other people. He was just so profoundly wrapped up in his own narcism that Scientology is the result. A great warning story. Thank you Aaron.

[@EZ_Case]

Well said and 100% agree.

[@CozyCreationsYT]

Being a new ager myself, I always thought he took things from that, plus the dogma that keeps people attached to a "church" and blew it into a cult.

[@salj.5459]

Nothing about Dianetics to me seems to suggest much inspiration from yoga, taoism, qigong, or any other eastern spiritual practice.

[@WaterDove]

When you believe in nothing you fall for anything.

[@natalias3751]

How could anyone leave their kid with this weirdo for even 5 minutes??? Everything about him says con artist.

[@teagannovak3120]

"OH YES!. in fact...." "and so on.." "and so-forth"

[@johnharbaugh9471]

Interesting that a marginally successful Sci-Fi author was the founder of scientology, just saying. I never saw this interview before, well done A A Ron, and hoping your Christmas was enjoyable!! Looking forward to 2023

[@stevehutchinson5466]

Was he not quoted as saying " why write for a penny-a-word ( which is what he actually got paid, hence, why there is so many books) , when, if you want to make serious money, you could start off a religion?"

[@Arigator2]

He was only a successful writer after Scientology started buying his books. He's the worst writer ever. I read one of his books. It was the rambling thoughts of the world's most uninteresting psychopath.

[@jesusnthedaisychain]

"Brain is brain."- L Ron Hubbard, Objectivist.

[@MusicfromMarrs]

Who is Djhon Gawlte? 😏

[@Patrick.Basedman]

I thought he was going to say the brain is an antenna or something to that effect. To think every question was planned...

[@evegrinstead2893]

Wow, he really is full of it!!!!!!🥴😵😣

[@jenniferjensen8538]

Seriously? He hunted with pygmies? 🙄 I alternated between cringing and laughing listening to this... it's quite the tall tale! 😄

[@MusicfromMarrs]

One tall tale of many!

[@kbbrown8154]

In the Philippines, no less!

[@ChrisAthanas]

His obvious and hyperbolic lies have all been exposed as a huge pile of lies Master con artist tho

[@Cobbido]

There are negritos there@@kbbrown8154

[@d.-_-.b]

Here's a full occurrence count of the following two phrases by L.Ron Hubbard in this interview: "and so on": 20 "and so forth": 31

[@rocketscienceinstituteinc8993]

I noted and agreed= with your comments (and so forth) Gnome--thanks.

[@ExxylcrothEagle]

Yeah sounds about right.

[@DawnDavidson]

Hahaha! Thank you! I was wondering that myself! Now I am wondering about “beingness” and the number of times he says “man”.

[@Zookeeper.]

@@DawnDavidson 20 x "being", 2 x "beingness" 74 x "man", 4 x "men" 70 x "I". 13 x "me" 59 x "they/them" 1 x "I am here to cure the able, ask for no money, have visited over 9000 indigenous tribes including women (I paid), I have the biggest micro-penis (in this room), I invented rock'n'roll, taught Elvis to eat cake, I am a drag queen they call Lafayette" _(or maybe 2, difficult to say with body language)_

[@mickielabenz7353]

No wonder why it's all one big circle jerk! WOW! I actually could not finish watching it, so I muted it and let it play for Aaron! Thanks for all you do, you are appreciated! Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you and your family! Hugs from Nebraska

[@prayersquad3391]

Insane is insane. Brain is brain. A being is a being. Wow!!! Such intelligence. 😝🤪😜🤪

[@mindsigh4]

i know, gonna break our hands gettin the money out of our pockets to pay for a course. he says here that he doesn't make any money off of Scifientology, so, he pays his staff zero, & charges everyone for every course itemized like a hospital bill.

[@thebigbadwolf639]

Man is man, no time for women

[@kbbrown8154]

My friend heard that and busted out Cypress Hill. Which we both hate but - when a door opens and all that!

[@LadyBug-fs8gz]

He says, If you don’t know yourself, you know nothing, is so true! Other great minds have said the same thing.

[@kennethleeds8503]

LRH "slept with bandits in Mongolia and hunted with Pygmies in the Philippines"? Pygmies are in Africa, not the Philippines. I hope I am not being unduly cynical, but I get the distinct impression that Mr. Hubbard is full of shit. I admire his ability to keep a straight face and not giggle.

[@phillip5376]

He isn’t giggling, however he does have a shit eating grin on his face for the entire interview!

[@luminousvox29]

There are pygmies in the Philippines as well. Called the negritos.

[@daveowens271]

He talks a lot without saying a whole lot. I can see how a person who is not very grounded might be drawn to his affect of certainty.

[@ChrisAthanas]

He preys of overly idealistic people who are mild mannered but seeking power

[@Francis-xl2gu]

A bit like another high up scientologist we know maybe

[@prayersquad3391]

Reminds me of Kenneth Copeland. His smiles are used to put his interviewer at a lower level.

[@antiochiaadtaurum3786]

Kennie is a real sack of slime

[@STORMBREAKER_250]

This is honestly frightening, because I "get it." The smile, the look, the way he carries himself. I can understand and empathize with the people who fell for it.

[@amelia_rose_333]

I agree. We hear all the crazy stuff Scientology believes and their behaviors and you’re like, “why the ef would anyone be following this crap?” But seeing Hubbard talk really puts into perspective how he could have (and did) sold people hard on this idea and once they were in, they were IN.

[@retrorampage9015]

He was a hypnotist using real world psychology tactics to sell a pyramid scheme.. King dbag

[@ChrisAthanas]

He preys of smart and weak willed people Good to have historical record of what a psychopath looks like

[@edmunddonnelly3881]

Really? I wouldn´t buy a car from this guy.

[@STORMBREAKER_250]

​@@edmunddonnelly3881It's eaay to say that with hindsight, but in the 60s, when everything was changing so rapidly, you get this Captain Kirk-looking guy, telling you he's found the meaning of it all, and I think the 'why' makes more sense.

[@WayneRossi]

When he starts talking about psychiatry and psychology, Hubbard reminds me so much of a young earth creationist - it’s a very tidy conspiracy theory, things are blamed on a 19th century founder, and the experts don’t really know what they’re talking about. Fascinating to hear the parallels.

[@willwailes9298]

Psychiatry is pseudoscience, and it’s actually quite similar to Scientology. Mental illnesses are diagnosed through personality tests. No one is tested for neuro-chemical imbalances. Psychiatry is like firing a gun in the dark, and the mechanism behind some of the medications is sickening. Respiradol blocks testosterone. How is that going to help a young man’s mental health? And none of these things address the root cause, which many times is street drugs, which affect the very same neurotransmitters and neuroreceptors that the psychotropic drugs do, and are used the exact same way, to mask the symptoms. Scientism and Scientology aren’t really that different. Both religions believe in aliens too. Long story short, man doesn’t know everything, and not everything that’s labeled science is true.

[@LizaFan]

@@willwailes9298 that was good for a laugh.

[@feeblezak]

Drone

[@troyfitzgerald]

His mouth creeps me out.

[@sigrunwestrus68]

Totally agree!

[@skperreault2792]

I think he talks like that to hide his teeth. either way- gross. How he got people to" follow" his kooky dogma astounds me.

[@sigrunwestrus68]

@@skperreault2792 It's not only his teeth. I find his lips and mouth just decussating.

[@AliceNsWonderland]

Does anyone have a connection w the Behavior Panel? I *REALLY* WANT THEM TO ANALYZE THIS INTERVIEW, ALONG W SEVERAL OTHERS HE DID!

[@wakedawncat9290]

No, but I watch the Behavior Panel every week.❤. Sure hope someone contacts them to analyze this!

[@thecollierreport]

The man was so full of himself, you wait to hear him say, "achtually..."

[@crazyoney2k]

I have seen this interview maybe 70 times when I first joined l got a copy of dianetics, the vhs accompanying dianetics , a new slant on life and this as a vhs around 2000. Then over a few years got everything dianetics and scientology related did courses.. now i just think one thing.. how did I buy into this and why did I waste so much time effort and money

[@kelliintexas3575]

I am a HUGE Elvis fan. I have over 200+ books on JUST HIM. Friends, Bandmates, Girlfriends, Co-Workers, MGM execs, Producers, Co-stars, Army soldiers, ANYONE & EVERYONE who knew him personally and wrote about it first hand. Larry Geller, Joe Esposito, Lamar Fike & Memphis Mafia members go into GREAT DETAIL to talk about how hard Scientology tried to reach out to him. Even the Yogi gurus in Hollywood at that time. He would roll in his grave knowing how Lisa was raised and how bad it would go on to haunt her. He would often say "Those mthr fkrs won't ever get their claws in me or my money!" 🤦‍♂️🤷🏻‍♀️ Ha! Found this Quote in the Memphis paper: One of the King’s new companions - the actress Peggy Lipton, who had played on TV’s Mod Squad and later married the musician Quincy Jones - had a fervent interest in the Church of Scientology and, sensing Elvis’ need, tried to entice him into the orbit of those who followed its doctrine, which professes to rescue a practitioner from the seated “engrams” of his of her troubled psyche by raising them to consciousness and expunging them. Scientology would seem to avail itself more of psychology than of theology, but whatever it was, the Pentecostally raised Elvis was attracted enough to pay a visit one day to the church’s center on Los Angeles’ Sunset Boulevard. As Memphis Mafia member Lamar Fike, who was in the group that accompanied Elvis, recalled (in the 1995 HarperCollins book Elvis Aaron Presley: Revelations From the Memphis Mafia), “Elvis went in and talked to them. We waited in the car, but apparently they started doing all these charts and crap for him. Elvis came out and said, ‘Fuck those people! There’s no way I’ll ever get involved with that son-of-a-bitchin’ group. All they want is my money.’ “Well, Peggy still kept on about it, so Elvis didn’t date her anymore. And he stayed away from Scientology like it was a cobra. He’d shit a brick to see how far Lisa Marie’s gotten into it.”

[@TheJimbo1791]

Very interesting , didn´t know this at all. Thank you !

[@roxieolemeda3196]

That's sad 😔 to know

[@mannykiller]

Elvis the predo

[@cutekanjii]

They tried to get John Lennon and Yoko Ono too in the 70s it was too weird even for them and they were pretty far out. Thats probably what made them think they could intice them to Scientology.

[@kelliintexas3575]

@@mannykiller ABSOLUTELY WRONG. You may want to READ up on the people WHO KNEW HIM. You think he slept with 14yr old Priscilla? Maybe listen to her own interview with Piers Morgan. You guys DO REALIZE Elvis ONLY MET Priscilla at 14 (she turned 15 the following week) right?!?! IF NOT TRY AGAIN. 🤣 You think she is 14 in those Vegas wedding photos with the press?!?! READ HER or ANY BOOK on them. You can start with 'Elvis Day by Day: The Definitive Record of His Life and Music' it has a PHOTOs, reciepts & mail for EVERYDAY of Elvis life from 1953-1977. It was written with all the Archives from Graceland, the Army, Sun studios, RCA, fans, Hollywood studios, Las Vegas casinos, Global Newspapers, journalists, the colonel & Vernon Presley (who after surviving the Great Depression kept EVERY RECIEPT, Credit card statement, fax, western union, post cards - An archive over 5+ MILLION DOCUMENTS). Nice try though! Oh, and Graceland dot com tells you THE exact date, since EP went every where with a over 15 people (they have Reciepts of payroll, food, taxi's, clothes, plane tickets, security, newspapers, poloroids, fan photos)! 😉 Elvis MET PRISCILLA AT 14 IN MARCH 1959 (HE HUNG OUT WITH HER FOR TWO WEEKS at a local Airmans club & the Hostel who hosted them in the music room near the lobby). There was 15- 35 people there every evening. Elvis Secretary & Her husband were who invited her and brought her & took her and others home. They wrote a book & used their journals to chronical everything. He & His wife have a KZbin CHANNEL. Priscilla only got to know him for two weeks. The third day was their first kiss. HE LEFT THE NEXT MONTH TO FILM GI BLUES IN APRIL OF 1959, THE SAME MONTH PRISCILLA TURNED 15. HE DATED ANITA WOOD THE SINGER & LIVED WITH HER FROM (BEFORE BEING DRAFTED) MARCH 1957 TO APRIL 1963. SHE LIVED WITH HIM AT FORT HOOD AND WHILE HE WAS IN BASIC TRAINING. HIS DAD & GRANDMA LIVED WITH HIM THEIR ENTIRE LIVES - EVEN IN GERMANY. THEN ELVIS CAME BACK TO AMERICA 1960. HE BROKE UP WITH ANITA WOOD IN 1963 AND PRISCILLA NOW 17 FLEW OUT TO Visit with Elvis. She would come for Christmas and move in with Elvis' dad & step Mom and go to a all girls Catholic schoolin Memphis. Elvis lived in Hollywood and filmed in Hawaii, Florida & Paramount In LA for 35 movies from 1960-1967. Priscilla Graduated HS 8 weeks later at 18yrs old in 1964 but STILL stayed with Elvis' parents while he continued to film movies every 3 months & date his co-stars. She attended High School at General H.H. Arnold High School in Wiesbaden, Germany from 1960 to 1963, leaving only eight weeks before graduation. The Catholic girls’ school in Memphis she transferred to for her last 8 weeks of high school. Elvis continued filming and Dating Ann Margret in Hollywood from 1964 til 1967. In 1967 Elvis proposed to 20yr old Priscilla Christmas 1966, married May 1967 when Priscilla WAS 21 YEARS OLD. Lisa Marie was born 1968, 9 months to the day. They separated 1969 after his Vegas opening. Joyce Bova dated Elvis 1969-1972. Priscilla was dating 3 men between 1968-1972. Elvis & Priscillas divorce was final in Octover 9, 1973. Elvis DATED Linda Thompson July 6, 1972- Christmas 1976. Elvis & Ginger dated Feb 1977 - Aug. 1977. Priscilla dated Elvis' friend & a Karate instructor, Mike Stone 1969 - 1975 (after 3 affairs on Elvis herself), Robert Kardashian 1976, Mike Edward's 1976-1980, Mr Gibrahldi 1980-2006.

[@therealwilfreddierkes9980]

He talks in circles. My favorite! 🙄

[@grantlewis8420]

He, His, Him, Man, Men……..and so forth and so on….

[@malaise-forever]

I just searched up Tony Hitchman and he was on a podcast called "Timeless Voyager", published in May of this year (not sure if that's when it was recorded) singing the praises of auditing, Scientology, and Hubbard.

[@HPMICHAEL]

Exactly this video I got in mind yesterday! What is Scientology? You just asked a question that is very comprehensive. LRH didn’t wanna answer that. So the English man asked, how did it all start. Then LRH talks.

[@danaeads919]

The questions were taken from a script. The younger man is an actor, not a journalist.

[@MarabelleBlue]

Did he actually believe everything he was saying? I just wonder. 🤔

[@ChrisAthanas]

Yes and no The problem with these characters is they eventually believe their own bs and that's what destroys them bc it's all made of lies

[@DHU11]

NO ONE MAN SHOULD HAVE ALL THAT POWER

[@Kreepyb5]

Thankyou as always purrrrrrrfect

[@Kyanite8]

He’s hard to take seriously. He has a fit for radio face. Talk about word salads omg, youngsters stood no chance under this cult leader. There are many, many Alister references. I studied Alister in the 90’s for a brief time. His story and works freaked me out. There were new age groups that were totally devoted to Alister, probably still are. “Hunted with Pigmy’s” has been cited. 😂 so has the making the “able more able”. U b da maaan A~Aron! Great post 👏

[@mvic81818]

Just like every Scientologist, he’s very good at saying a lot with words and phrases that sound good but in the end is saying absolutely nothing.

[@dogstar5927]

He forgot to mention that he’s also a 9th degree black belt in the ancient yet deadly art of Bullshido ! 🙄🤦🏽‍♂️

[@kristiediaz1]

This is painful to watch. 😂

[@jamescrossland2599]

He has the same 'icky' mouth n demeanor of John Wayne Gacy?

[@Kawiboy]

This NEVER gets Old 🤪🤨😅🤣✌️😉

[@oliveryt7168]

He's a fascinating man for sure... a story teller, a writer, a futurist, an scientist, a magician, a philosopher, a world traveller, a healer, a revolutionary, a genius, a polymath... a con man.

[@Arigator2]

Only the last one.

[@kari-annereedy5857]

Whenever I see him speak his lips reminds me of the beak of the scientist that made Sally in the Nightmare Before Christmas. How can he say so much and say nothing the same time.

[@paytongibson9488]

They should never show this to non scientologists no one this dull and whacked out the skull can be responsible for saving the planet 😂😂 I damn near died just watching that we needed Aaron's jokes to save us

[@wakedawncat9290]

“Life after death is life after death…it’s too complicated to explain”. His brilliance knew no bounds!😂

[@Mark-lj1dj]

He just instantly strikes me as not being very bright. Why anyone would listen to him is beyond me

[@lperez123]

Video is back , nice win Aaron

[@richardwilliams5387]

Interesting bit of casual racism at the start when he talks about Asia being degraded.

[@aliendroneservices6621]

0:12 "What is Scientology?" A self-help cult.

[@goldie862]

Lol an oxymoron if ever there was one!!! 🤣🤣🤣

[@MusicfromMarrs]

A self-harm cult in disguise.

[@Franciscasieri]

This man was insane...not a sane bone in his body...

[@RussMcClay]

How appropriate to have a field of opium poppies in the background.

[@danielabramson2464]

He didn’t find the toothbrush, however

[@Calango741]

I have always wondered how ANYONE, let alone the tens of hundreds of people that do, could ever think that this person is someone to be looked up to and emulated. Whenever I have seen a picture or a video of him, my impression, both immediately and all the way through has always been, this guy is a doofus, why would anyone think him to be anything else? I just really don't get it. I don't see intelligence or charisma or logical thought or anything else to recommend him for anything but what he is: a charlatan and a writer of fantasies.

[@gabemartin3761]

The mystery that I want to find the answer to is this...what are the lyrics to the song Aaron's daughter sings while strumming the guitar?

[@lronhubbard8031]

Notice how I was rubbing my hands together back then I was thinking $$$$$$$$ but I tell you what it's a bad connection up here on Target 2 I'm still trying to get the $$$$$ wired through to me.