Intro to Pragmatic Progressive with David Shapiro

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[@BunnyOfThunder]

I think one of the critical shifts we need to make is to stop talking in terms of right v. Left. I think a lot of people are increasingly not described usefully by that spectrum.

[@giovannifoulmouth7205]

This video just made me realise that there is no political organisation pushing for the aggressive automation of all jobs, at least not to my knowledge.

[@tracy419]

They all put themselves into a corner by always focusing on promising to create jobs. If they run on getting rid of jobs, at least in America, I don't think they stand a chance. We are too programmed, at least in America, to base our self worth and the worth of others on what we do for a living. When the jobs start disappearing, we in America are going to be in trouble if no one is willing to have these important conversations.

[@RadicalAlignment]

The Overton Window needs to open a lot more...

[@erkinalp]

There is worse, some countries have a "duty to work" enshrined in their constitution, such as Turkey.

[@IvanE1990]

@@erkinalp Here in Argentina there's a widespread belief on generations of 40+ yo that "Work dignifies people" thus if you are unemployed, an artist, or you simply do not work, you unworthy and have no dignity.

[@erkinalp]

@@IvanE1990 we have the same in turkey

[@neurojitsu]

Enjoyed stumbling on this video. I feel aligned broadly with your 3 principles, and so feel inclined to join the debate! I want to make a few points that relate to different aspects of diversity of thought structures, and how thoughts ripple out (or not). There's a mathematician (Nowak I think) that has studied the question of why collaboration even exists, if evolution is so driven by natural selection (ie competition). Collaboration is found everywhere in nature, from bees to apes to mycelium. Modelling it, he concluded that collaboration always beats competition when the two come head to head, because collaborators are stronger (they have help behind them) one on one. But colloboration doesn't last in the thrust of competition's sheer numbers (collaborators seem to reach an equilibrium of about 30% of system behaviour), and tends to phase in and out over time. For me, this suggests there's a fundamental problem here: much of the greed and profiteering that has caused inequality requires better colloboration to protect the weak, vulnerable, disadvantaged in society - but collaborative setups seem to always have a limited life span, and need frequent renewal. I think we see this playing out now in lots of ways big and small; eg the anti-trust suit against Google might be seen as a late collaborative reaction to this pattern playing out in Silicon Valley? On the evolutionary theme, societal cultures evolve slowly and they're notoriously complex and unpredictable to "engineer". Left-right-centre political identities are a good example. But somehow trying to forge a fourth pragmatic progressive path might be equally problematic, if mindsets are operating from the 'old' mental frameworks. David Bohm put it well when he described all humanity's most difficult and stubborn problems - war, famine, poverty etc - as caused by behaviour driven from "thought reflexes" - ie habitual thoughts that just play out without reflection, and are hard to shift. The challenge I'd make to a fourth way, is that it's hard to change thought systems from the outside: how would people even begin to engage? My experience is that you have to work from inside the system you want to change.

[@TheIgnoramus]

Subscribed. We need more systems-based thinkers in all sectors. I would also consider myself a pragmatic progressive. (With utilitarian, heuristic, humanist thrown in 😂). But the free will of individual actualization being paramount and above all else. In short, I believe in LIFE.

[@RenkoGSL]

Thank you for being vulnerable, I'm not sure if you felt vulnerable while sharing or not, but I see sharing political views as a vulnerable process. So thank you for being you as you continue to provide myself with courage and bravery to be who I think I am and want to become. :) Keep up the good work! Live long and prosper!

[@RadicalAlignment]

No, I don't view politics as vulnerable... but I also have been on the internet for a while and have gotten used to being in front of the camera.

[@theriddleman7648]

I am also a neurodivergent individual with ADHD and Asperger's. Over the past year, I have undergone a significant transformation in my political and socioeconomic beliefs, transitioning from a libertarian perspective to a more pragmatic progressive ideology. It appears to be the most rational ideology to embrace, in line with common sense and is compatible with our ever-changing society.

[@jorgeduardo101]

Subscribed. This is the type of channel I've been looking for and I knew there was a need for someone to start the discussion of how politics needs to be revisited and eventually drastically changed than the models we currently have. This is great content and I'm super excited to hear more and contribute wherever possible.

[@mattwilson5188]

I feel your practical take on politics and focus on evidence is a good fit for discussing AI's role in our lives. I'm on my own journey to understanding AI, and I think this channel would provide a great deal of value to stay informed about its real-world impacts.

[@belquiriaoliveira6403]

Thanks. I'm curious about what will come! From Canada!

[@Wiskeegs]

Came to your original channel today wondering if you had this kind of content. Thanks David.

[@richardnorby2167]

Einstein said something like “We can not solve our problems with the same level of thinking that created them.” I don't know if you are conscious of this, but I think you are coming at this from a different level of thinking, which is great! As a much older person, I have a different context for the political issues you are addressing. With that in mind, I can see that my thoughts on how to move forward are at the same level of thinking at which the problems were created. I am grateful that you have opened up a different way of thinking about them for me.

[@ChipKempston]

I just sub'd to all your channels after watching on your main channel for a while. I think this is a helpful conversation to have and I like your approach. I've always leaned conservative, but I've found that the political discourse and the left/right paradigm don't work for me anymore. Your point about talking past each other is spot on. Being Gen X, I've witnessed this rise of hyper-partisanship that we have today and it's not sustainable.

[@zguiguiz]

I think neo-liberalism taught us that government are necessary for regulatory purposes, and at the same time democracy taught us that ANY centralized government will eventually get corrupted, in the most organic way. So no matter "what", the "how" needs to be a decentralized structure, and blockchain is this one technology specifically designed to scale up confidence mechanisms, without referring to a centralized power. Mixing that with low-bias AI arbitration and administration, we can assume that all the ingredients are here to put something very solid on the table. Then there's human attachment to what they know, to what they grew up expecting and even attachment to their sufferings.. Anyways, count me in ✊

[@neurosync_research]

The world needs it

[@BusinessofGood]

I’ve watched a few of your videos here and think you are filling a great space with deep thought. Much more is needed here. I’d encourage you to investigate feminist theory as well, since many of these issues have been dissected there for many years. Will keep following

[@curiositysparksinspiredlea2085]

David , This is a Great addtion to your other channels. I appreciate your skills as a comfortable commuicator, and appreciate the defintion, so we all know we are understanding you. I must say - the best line is , " let's all talk about this like the sane adults we are ". 😊 looking forward to where the topics wil lead, as you have much to share, I am certain, and there is interest and engagement in comments.

[@jarnleikr]

This is very interesting and something that resonates well with me. May I suggest a repository where you (and others?) can build a knowledge base for a manifesto and/or an organisation/party program? A few months ago I started thinking about something similar after a string of local news about nepotism/buddyism/corruption at my local government. And I've been thinking how automation and AI could make running a council more effective and most of all transparency. So yes, I'd like to hear more about pragmatic progressive and how we can create a roadmap to get there.

[@manolo.uk.]

This journey promises to be fascinating. Your inclusion of political views in the wider AI discussion was appreciated. They broadened our understanding. Creating a dedicated channel would allow for deeper exploration and learning. It's an opportunity for both you and your audience to grasp the essence of Pragmatic Progressivism and engage more effectively in modern world issues. Seeing thoughts transformed into actions would be particularly beneficial. Considering a DAO as an open forum might foster global dialogue and a sense of communal growth, aspiring to create a voice ultimately supported by a diverse community. Let's remember when we dream, we should always aim high. :D

[@sverrirgeorgsson1248]

Look forward to seeing where this goes, always enjoy your perspective!

[@cnpcreative]

Glad you are doing this. We need to explore a broader perspective then Blue and Red. Thinks about how boring the world would be with only 2 colors in our spectrum. Evidence will be very important in this coming election cycle filled with miss information and limited perspective. I look forward to where this exploration leads...

[@greglhoticom]

I think you've found your sweet spot...a teacher, a communicator. No need to run for Congress (unless you really want to). Pragmatic Progressive? So, for a group say a country, if most of its citizens were happy and by what amount as compared to citizens of other countries might be a good overall/inclusive metric. A Happiness Index? There is such a thing. Which country is tops and why?

[@RadicalAlignment]

Well Being Index is probably better. It's a proxy for a lot of things. But if economics is no longer the main focus of government, we can focus on something else.

[@verslanglais]

Hi David! This seems like a natural extension of your train of thought, and I'm happy to see it. Though I live in France, the challenges are the same, and politicians here are also turning a blind eye to the upcoming social effects of new technologies. I have learned a lot with you, and I'm not gonna lie that it gives me a great deal of anxiety. However, the answer is to rip the blinders off the establishment rather than to bury our heads in the sand. So yes, we need this

[@nme-bp7cf]

most reasonable human being

[@RamirosLab]

I understand that you want to compartmentalize different line of thoughts and topics with different YT Channels, but at the end of the day is not a bad idea to expose your wider audience to this part of you. I've seen many youtubers trying to split YT channels just to organize their content, but I think you might be losing an opportunity to reach more people with (in my opinion) your thoughts that are very aligned to the rest of your videos. I've seen good YT channels separating content just with playlists and different icons. Food for thought and #DavidShapiroForPresident

[@trynachill]

Love it

[@SebastianSchepis]

If one is looking to model a system that is in harmony with its environment, then perhaps we can start looking at the qualities that make living systems able to function in their environments well. There are certain empirical measures we can take. Every action we perform as individuals will have effect on the greatest system, each of our internal thoughts and emotions, our ways of relation will externalize themselves through the systems that we create to mitigate or obtain the objects of value in our minds. Those thoughts and emotions then drive the health of the larger organism that we comprise. That larger organism is the cultural social public square we create, whether online or in real life. It has a life of its own, generates its own low entropy attractor points that keep us individually locked in Nash equilibrium states which in themselves don't trend to generally favorable outcomes,. Part of the solution I think is too better understand ourselves, so as to understand the behaviors that drive larger externalities and create circumstances that are less than ideal for everyone, then to strive to strike a balance that affords maximum individual freedom while also respecting the coherence of the larger organism which one always lives in. If we can start understanding the universe as a living organism, then we can better understand our place within it.

[@lemonsquareFPV]

Very good analysis. Replacing the 2B+ slaves that our general society is based on with technology has the potential to truly change our paradigm, and vastly improve the human condition. And it’s way more likely to change than our ingrained, for profit systems. As it actually has the potential to be more profitable and streamlined for the ones on top. Having experienced all this suffering around this planet firsthand, this brings me much joy and optimism. But at the same time… in my background, we generally used technology for oppression… so I’m not 100% on the belief of the former.

[@jonathanlindsey8864]

I think a technocratic state would be a good way to transition to an AGI run system, as the AI will become the entity best served to run whatever the topic might be. I never understood how the secretary of "blank" can have *no* experience with their field, and still hold it.

[@JoaquinMusterman]

I think there's a severe lack of this kind of political content on youtube. Aside from Destiny (the livestreamer) and some people adjacent to him, I struggle to find political commentators that are not just grifters, ideologues or NPCs (for lack of a better term).

[@douglasmaiolimackeprang1501]

Shapiro for President. Count me for helping on the campaing

[@russellharrell2747]

Does congress even have a science advisory board anymore? They closed the technology advisors agency in the 90s.

[@alertbri]

Interesting departure, if you can avoid being cancelled/demonetised then you should at least attract plenty of angry commentators. Just don't go down the rabbit hole of Effective Altruism 🤞

[@RadicalAlignment]

EA is a cult IMHO

[@alertbri]

@@RadicalAlignment I don't know if it's a cult, but I do think it's extremely misguided.

[@cesarromero936]

From an anarchist and individualist view, since AI last advancements, I see Leviathan from a different perspective. Again, thanks for sharing your thougts.

[@angsumandas1]

I read pragmatic progressive as programmatic progressive, actually AI can give us the chance to program the social political and economic system digitally

[@RadicalAlignment]

Same thing really lol

[@totonow6955]

Yanis Varoufakis, Techno Feudalism

[@TheViktorofgilead]

In my mind, a capitalist is a wealthy person who has so much wealth that they don’t need to labor, so instead of laboring to secure their position in society they invest their excess wealth towards a new venture in the hopes that it will yield more wealth than they initially invested. Most folks are not capitalists in this sense, but to survive within this system they must sell their labor to a capitalist for a wage or salary which they will live on while they work to generate the profits for the capitalist. If capitalists no longer require human labor as an input to create more wealth I can only see 1 of 3 things happening. Either the population dramatically decreases because of mass evictions/starvation/murder of former laborers, or the abolishment of capitalism as a system and most of the laws that underwrite it, or more likely, a bloody fight between the factions who prefer either of the first two options. I have subscribed as I am keen on learning of other paths to explore which may provide additional options like you mentioned such as decentralization and stakeholder capitalism. Good luck with your new channel!

[@DarylAntony-j7f]

This is the right conversation to have.

[@HaiLeQuang]

I'm very curious about his background, his daily profession? 1st time stumple upon this channel & David Shapiro. He has some good ideas

[@BakoZoltan]

Ok, I'm interested

[@diegoangulo370]

new channel seems fine.

[@jonathanlindsey8864]

This channel has a lot pf potential, and is perfectly timed, people are tired of being stuck in one box or another becuase they want "their thing" achieved, but are stuck with extremist ( left and right ) to hear someone else describe themselves like you, ( close how I think I describe myself) gives me hope that there are people out there who just want to get the work done for the common good, and not self interest.

[@ArekStryjski]

It will be good to look how new forms of democracy could look like. Parliamentary representative democracy dose not work in the best way anymore. Specially in two party system like in the US or the UK. Referenda works well if they are just for few mountain villages in Switzerland but I'm not sure if they are always good (see Brexit). Citizens Assembly? Something else? I'm personally sceptical about Enlightened Absolutism of ASI.

[@AMartinstitute]

You seem to have a good head on your shoulders and your perspective seems reasonable. Thanks for your contribution.

[@TheMajesticSeaPancake]

Part of the benefit of a world in which less and less people have to work is we can all spend more time on having discussions about the systems around us and how to keep/stop/improve them. Will there always be a sizeable chunk of the population complaining even after we achieve something equivalent to utopia? Probably. But as long as people still have that right to complain I'm all for it. So i'm glad to see you getting comfortable with trying to have specific conversations about how things will go in the context of the changes that are happening.

[@aleblurfilmes]

What a great initiative, David. Certainly this times ask for updated approaches to politics. There is a lot of confusion among citizens about how the world really works in economic and political terms. So a honest discussion about those topics could shed a light over dark points of view and help citizens to move towards a decentralized and more fair society, increasing the overall happiness and well being. I suppose that, in order to make this practical and as much scientific as possible, one of the main topics should be the public data analysis process. I work with and for governments, directly or indirectly as a consultant, and also drive my work with lots of data analysis, and I think, based on my experience, that this is crucial for moving politics from ideological and theoretical discourses to practical and real actions. But the access to reliable data is cumbersome at least. Public data is fragmented, unstructured, split, buried, outdated and unaccessible. So the works on this issue should be in place for this initiative to work and be able to be replicated by your followers in other places too. Cheers for you and for the community here, and also my best wishes for this holidays to everyone!

[@lluisgorgoy]

Hi Dave, just wanted to let you know what a great idea you had about making this channel to flesh out the idea and concept further. You are a great speaker and really great presenter. Of course I subscribed to it, can’t wait to see what you have coming up. I’m with you!!!

[@kylecoogan8111]

whats your foreign policy? how would your proposed form of government handle economic competition in the world economy while your government is no longer mainly focused on economics? Or maybe your proposed government is more like a proposed framework for global cooperation ? I remember you mentioned in a live that you would you like more global cooperation over a one world government, decentralization is key in whichever tbh, gotta maintain diversity on all levels or else we would stagnate. Your emphasis on evidence-based politics is commendable. In a world often swayed by rhetoric and emotion, anchoring political discourse in data and proven outcomes is crucial. Would you use governmental AI or mediate more adult discourse throughout politics? Interested to see how you would integrate governmental ai. Especially how, depending on the way it's used, can create a 100x more adaptive system than the way we currently operate. How would government employees handle fast change like that? Also interested to hear about your thoughts on AI mediated social media platforms or even mainstream news; we could potentially create cyberculture that gives the user a deeper sense of community by matching people up with others with the same interest, like a discord or something haha. And the news can be analyzed by ai and rank it by the most important news that everyone should hear, also better filter for news that you are particularly wanting to hear about. I mean that's just the ai powered internet I guess, where all search bars are ai powered and you have your own ai internet interface while everything is ai-powered experience. Your foundational beliefs in the general goodness of democracy, free-market capitalism, and Western ideology, despite their flaws, set a clear ideological framework for your platform. It would be beneficial to explore how these beliefs interact with and adapt to the evolving global context, especially in relation to non-Western perspectives and global inequalities.

[@RadicalAlignment]

I don't want to put the cart before the horse. First, global peace is the primary goal. Humans are far and away the greatest existential risk.

[@ArekStryjski]

AI cureted news / Internet sounds like censorship... it will be for common good but this is the Chinese Party argument now. Maybe it is inevitable but sound a bit Orwellian and scarry.

[@lemonsquareFPV]

@@RadicalAlignment there will never be peace, that’s not the point of this planet. And working towards it’s absolutism is a fools errand. There are ingrained systems that are beyond our control, we can work within them but not break them, as with any law of physics.