Introducing FUTO ID - A New Way To Verify Yourself Online

[@ruben34]

Suggestion: it would be cool to have it available in the FUTO F-Droid repository and also not needing Google Play services for any feature. A completly independent app.

[@arkka2281]

They have their own F droid Repo. At least for the FUTO Keyboard.

[@XDRosenheim]

@@arkka2281 > They have their own F droid Repo. As stated in the original comment...

[@ruben34]

@@arkka2281 Yes I know, I already use it for downloading FUTO apps, Futo ID is missing there, and I installed it with Aurora Store and when I press the "Authenticate (scan QR code to login)" button it tells me I need Google Play services, which I don't have and won't install.

[@felipejzrd]

I think the most important thing this could bring is the verification of real humans on the internet, keep up the good work guys!

[@QargZer]

It wouldn't take long for bota to infiltrate it once real accounts get compromised. It happens with fb all the time

[@felipejzrd]

@@QargZer Wouldn't that account get balanced with negative reviews from legit accounts?

[@maskettaman1488]

@@felipejzrd Which would be vastly outnumbered by the positive reviews from bots

[@howling-wolf]

On the one hand, this is everything I ever wanted - on the other hand this is scary since it requires basically one slipup to create a plethora of false verified claims. Also, I see potential for this to be used ina very distopian future. I am very sceptical and would like to know what and how the backbone works.

[@Onyx-it8gk]

If a claim can be "verified" by someone untrustworthy, which leads to your account being associated with that untrustworthy verification, how do you prevent people from abusing this? What if someone ranks up an untrustworthy status just to spam verify real people. Same thing for bots? How are they prevented from spam verifying anyone and anything?

[@russellmorland7382]

Why does everyone want to use phones for things like this? I use Debian, not Android. Will I ever be able to use FUTO ID? I'm also a bit worried about anonymous accounts - if the users who vouch for me are known, it doesn't seem too difficult to narrow down to a few options. Even without that feature though, it is definitely worthwhile - or would be if it would run on my machine.

[@WizardsAnonymous]

I feel like this is the biggest issue with some of the projects Futo supports, like Grayjay, which have a dependency on Google Linux (Android), instead of something like Alpine Linux(Desktop)/PostMarketOS(Mobile).

[@manitoba-op4jx]

smartphones are the worst thing since... idk what but they really do suck. we need a framework phone that runs basic ass debian

[@lllIIIlIllIIll]

​@@WizardsAnonymousas of today PostmarketOS is a hot mess, it's not usable at all for now. Maybe in like 5 years it'll be fully functional on 2019 smartphones.

[@lllIIIlIllIIll]

​@@manitoba-op4jxgod I wish, if only Ubuntu team continued experimenting with a phone OS... If only it could also run my banking app too, a Linux Mint Mobile Edition would be a no brainer.

[@leonYoong]

Boohoo why is this not available for openBSD??? 😪

[@bobchuseby]

3:28 This bit sounds a little like social credit to me

[@maskettaman1488]

That's exactly what it is.

[@oladrolahola]

Not sure how I feel about the verification system but it seems like a very cool application regardless

[@shApYT]

Now you can all become FUTA verified

[@WizardsAnonymous]

Cool technology, but curious why change the name from Harbor to Futo ID.

[@solidhyrax]

Probably too vague for what the role is

[@madness1931]

There's a few open source projects with the name Harbor. Plus it doesn't really capture the intended use case. FUTO ID is kinda perfect.

[@CGGS_0]

To further illustrate that it’s meant for Futo products? Why else?

[@WizardsAnonymous]

@@CGGS_0 what are Futo products? And which is this meant for?

[@roflchopter11]

Thats great, except the social circles that do verification or checks, if logged, are still vulnerable to de-anonymization.

[@the_mastermage]

I like the Idea and I hope this gains traction if it works well. I have at least one thing that I do not understand and that is how can you avoid bots creating their own networks to verify themselves, by verifying each other?

[@arcrad]

How to prevent a Sybel attack where someone makes a bunch of fake accounts to vouch for other accounts? The PGP web of trust concept never became widespread and this is essentially the same thing, no?

[@spaceprior]

The merit of the web of trust is that as soon as anyone notices the sybils, we can figure out who made the sybils by looking at the structure of the web, and blame them for it, and cut them out.

[@arcrad]

@spaceprior perhaps. Seems difficult or impossible to identify a Sybil, and even more so to identify them en masse. There is a asymmetry where it's easy to make Sybils and hard to identify them.

[@xLTxFire]

I've been thinking we need something like this for a while, but I definitely haven't had the time needed to be able to make it myself. This is the sort of thing we need to save the internet.

[@unbiasedperson1155]

Feels like a security disaster

[@Imaginary.Dragon]

If somebody told louis from 10 years that he was going to be the face of a company he would have never believed him

[@d_trich]

Just wait until you find out where he's been working for the past decade or so

[@Maskawanian]

So, how do I use this without a phone.

[@xLTxFire]

I do wish there was more information available on how the app works exactly though.

[@garthgoldwater5256]

how does the app handle bad actors abusing the “report false attestation” feature (or whatever it’s called. the thing that reports a verifier as untrustworthy)

[@ThatNateGuy]

Is FUTO also exploring decentralized ID, verified credentials, and other such technologies?

[@danwl9708]

How are all accounts and data you put on your FUTO ID kept secure? Trust based verification is both the biggest strength and worst weakness

[@mohamaddelkhah]

Great utility! However, since this is mostly meaningful if it's used for long term and by many, I wonder what recourse is there if you get hacked and your key is stolen, or if your phone breaks? Because it's certain that if used by masses for long enough, there will by many cases of issues like losing your key or losing it to someone.

[@cameronmoore136]

Does anyone know whether this will be released on FDroid? I only see it on the Google Play Store so far.

[@capability-snob]

Every time someone asks for photo id:

[@MauritiusMoments]

I was very disappointed with harbor. Im in a country where there is little awareness of open source and privacy and most here use Facebook for everything. I verified a YT channel for over 8 months or so and it never got verified because I don't know anyone. So its just for a bunch of people in rich countries where there are larger communities of people caring about free speech, open source and privacy.

[@Leo-sd3jt]

It doesn't need to be somebody from your country. It could be people you know online.

[@AsieHebert-t2b]

Thanks for the breakdown! Just a quick off-topic question: My OKX wallet holds some USDT, and I have the seed phrase. (alarm fetch churn bridge exercise tape speak race clerk couch crater letter). How can I transfer them to Binance?

[@dragonridertechnologies]

This isn't anonymous and seems at risk of poisoning (not to mention that untrustworthy people absolutely can vouch for other sincerely, it's just hard to tell which are which). The part about being able to tell which accounts are legitimate, but that assumes the ID is verifiable... which I'm not certain of. At least if you stumble across one of their accounts you can still tell for sure which others they have. I don't really like that it's an app though. Phones are one of the biggest problems right now.

[@not_just_burnt]

"this item is not available in your country" my ass... yeah, cool, mhm...

[@cameronmoore136]

This is freaking cool.

[@xyster7]

i believe that it will be never solved properly as long the security industry needs enemies to sell cyber weapons

[@UndarkAido]

So... Keybase 2.0?

[@anhed0niac]

Just don't make me a patsy like you did to poor Sam Archer.

[@globalhell5046]

What about FUBS?

[@calebsalyards8076]

"Trust But Verify" the Game

[@stratos10able]

im gonna come

[@leonYoong]

Do not come. Do not come.

[@hewasnotjoggin9943]

Brilliant.

[@MrDrakey44]

thats literally the islamic quran and hadith knowledge of men implementation if it was used as base i hope its made clear

[@console.writeline6262]

Please change your name

[@supremebeme]

i use Metal Identity

[@dragons10000]

this will flop, i can see the flaws

[@vandorb12]

Well then, let's us have it.

[@XDRosenheim]

Do state them.

[@dragons10000]

@@XDRosenheim 2 of them coming to my mind right now is that you are doxing yourself when people realize they can triangulate you by the people who verified you, also you can't be truly anonymous while having a trusted Futo ID. Second one is the potential user base for DID's is very niche, the service needs to be integrated into larger social media that usually require KYC of some sort but can pivot to DID. Futo ID on its own is not enough, it badly needs API intergration so other apps can use its back end.

[@captainfordo1]

Done.

[@_remblanc]

this looks like glorified carrd for people with highly questionable political views

[@mediocreape]

this is going to be very important going forward especially with the proliferation of bots everywhere