Introducing PreFIRE! + GAMEPLAY!

[@IPlayMagic]

I was just saying earlier today that its only a matter of time until someone makes a seperate format of old modern and now I get to see what its like. Great video and cool format

[@fpawluszmtg]

Thank you! Can't wait to see how the format develops!

[@MrLeolb2]

👏👏

[@TheDevlain]

@fpawluszmtg and @IPlayMagic is the best crossover I never expected but I needed

[@TheDevlain]

@IPlayMagic and @fpawluszmtg its the crossover I never imagine but I always needed to see

[@grigoripeschek88]

That's the reason a friend told me not to disassemble my GDS deck. What a time to be alive!

[@LANMEE2]

Oh maaan, this is something I pondered over for 2 years, I had the idea of making the same format. Amazing, thanks for doing this, I hope this works great!!!

[@fpawluszmtg]

Thank you! Here's hoping it works out!

[@boccipiles]

I'm happy to see any Spongebob-free alternative formats get attention.

[@fpawluszmtg]

Oh yeah, Frodo beating on SpongeBob with a Hadouken is not my kind of Magic, if you know what I mean...

[@strangemolars]

These manabases can be improved a lot with Kaladesh fastlands. This format is almost tailor-made for me, time to crack the full foil lantern out of the shoebox.

[@fpawluszmtg]

Yes, the full cycle of fast lands is a big improvement for sure! Lantern has a ton of potential to be one of the big decks in the format!

[@VKaloustian14]

I’m very happy an idea like this is taking off. It’s very similar to the Golden Modern format I created (the card pools are almost identical actually), but this here is the future of MTG. Let’s keep stuff like this up and show WOTC how Magic players actually want to play Magic 👊

[@fpawluszmtg]

@@VKaloustian14 I agree completely, community formats are the future. MtG already did enough, let’s keep the good parts and get rid of all the very shitty stuff.

[@Faustized]

This is a fantastic idea! I hope this format will be successful, the choices of wizards from 2019 to now bring to this and I think a lot of people will like to play with their pet decks!

[@fpawluszmtg]

That's the point! We all get to play our pet decks and we get to fix the format if certain cards become problematic.

[@Xebesa]

So excited to try this out, already convinced all of my friends to give this a go. Way more fun looking than current modern.

[@fpawluszmtg]

@@Xebesa Awesome to hear that! Yhe bar is quite low cause everything is more fun than current Modern, but this format is very, very fun, haha

[@AlbinoTurtles]

Hope this takes off for you, brotha!

[@redredbluemustard]

I’ve been working on a version of this format I’ve been calling “extended”. There’s a lot of potential in this time period imo, and I’m so excited to see some old school modern heroes back in action.

[@fpawluszmtg]

This is a fantastic time in Magic, and it's definitely worth exploring further. Excited to see where it can go!

[@redredbluemustard]

@@fpawluszmtg Love your content, brother. Thanks for what you do.

[@1TwoWhoopWhoop]

Really like this! This was Golden era mtg for me :)

[@fpawluszmtg]

I agree 100%! And we add a little twist on top of it, for extra awesomeness!

[@Uri6060]

I really enjoy formats that dont like always change, and with such a cool and massive cardpool. Especially since magic in general it feels like has sped up alot during fire and even if the pushed-ness has chilled it still is way faster. As I find fixed cardpool formats a lot more fun to brew, as you really learn what cards you can tech for, and what sideboard tricks you can play and so on. So I have been really hoping for people to start to push a modern variant that isnt like modern pure or w/e that was called as even tho I love Throne theres just such a massive difference in card design now even outside of direct to modern.

[@fpawluszmtg]

Hopefully this may be the format for you!

[@ZackeroniAndCheese]

There are too many offenders before Ravnica Allegiance for me. I enjoy Tarmogoyf being powerful. This results in formats with Gurmog Angler (now also powercrept) or Fatal Push not falling in the sweet spot for me. Additionally, the WAR planeswalkers were all mistakes. I love that you're creating your own solutions!

[@fpawluszmtg]

@@ZackeroniAndCheese I expect Tarmogoyf to be a staple in this format, have no doubts about it. 100% agree that the WAR planeswalkers were all heinous designs, hence why WAR is not a legal set.

[@seanbarnelli3335]

This format could thrive if the original modern border was the restriction. Mirrodon to Journey to Nyx is still a massive carpool with some of the best decks the format ever saw.

[@itsjusttech9374]

This looks amazing

[@fpawluszmtg]

@@itsjusttech9374 It’s been a great time!

[@milesgreb9256]

I've been working shopping this format for months lol. We have been calling it Proto-modern.

[@fpawluszmtg]

@@milesgreb9256 For sure, I’m pretty sure I was not the only person to have thought of this. I just happened to be the one who made a video about it, hahaha

[@jesussuperstar3406]

Mine was firepost premodern. Pre fire post modern.

[@memedeli]

Love this format already, definitely something I would play if a community rises up for it. Can’t keep up with 6 standard sets a year

[@fpawluszmtg]

Few people can! The community is already growing, so feel free to join! It's a safe haven, safe from WotC's grasp

[@NanMansNerdCorner]

Format looks sweet. Would love to do some commentary of this format~!

[@fpawluszmtg]

@@NanMansNerdCorner Hell yeah! We are very much in the infancy stages, but am very excited to see where it will go!

[@joshua_lee732]

Finally a format I can play Skred Red in.

[@fpawluszmtg]

@@joshua_lee732 Hell yeah! Such an underrated killer!

[@elahem6940]

You don't like Pauper?

[@mrskittles6486]

As someone who got into modern after war of the spark i never seen half of this cards lol. This format looks cool and 1 toughness creatures not dying to w6 or bowmasters wow 1 toughness can be good

[@fpawluszmtg]

Oh yeah! Time to dust off those Noble Hierarchs!

[@mrskittles6486]

Young Pyro snappy and cryptic command all looking playable sounds nice

[@clandsmtg]

Affinity playable? I'm in.

[@alliga91]

I saw an article who’s trying to indicate “eras” and basically they spot the “new golden era” from 8th to Theros for innovations and mechanics.

[@fpawluszmtg]

@@alliga91 I cane back after longhiatus in Born of the Gods, and I agree that the metagame and gameplay at that point in time was fantastic, hence why I was so hooked!

[@faviddenko]

I wonder if Deadguy Ale with Pack Rat can finally have its moment here.

[@seadhna]

This is what Pioneer should have been like!

[@fpawluszmtg]

This is honestly what I thought it was gonna be, and then it definitely wasn't 😂

[@alex_ber6606]

What blocking rules will it format use?

[@TheDevlain]

I'd say the new blocking rule because they want MTGO compatibility

[@Mallwan]

I would love to see this format thrive. Time for Hardened Scales at its best

[@fpawluszmtg]

Mox Opal died for FIRE's sins

[@guitarwithjacob]

so this is just an altered version of the Pure Modern format, which was 8th - WAR

[@fpawluszmtg]

@@guitarwithjacob No, that format was simply Modern without supplemental sets (meaning new standard sets were included) and it was using the regular Modern ban list as opposed to an independent one, which is why it failed.

[@sebastiangarstkropp4211]

Hi Something that helped me alot into the premodern format and still does today when Brewing decks is the premodern websites search engine. Very clean and easy to use. And the printning on the cards Are the original ones. Are you plantning on making something similar for this? This would be the gateway into this format Always great to see your videos!

[@fpawluszmtg]

We have a tool that allows you to see whether the deck is legal for now, but I have no idea how to code a search engine. We are 5 days into the format, maybe if things grow somebody will be interested in putting something like that together, we will see!

[@sebastiangarstkropp4211]

Cool. Just putting it out there how much value there is in something like that.

[@realbadtech]

This would potentially make a great cube format!

[@fpawluszmtg]

I could totally see that being the case, honestly! Hadn't thought about it until now!

[@realbadtech]

@@fpawluszmtgI’m actively working on building it!

[@Alvaro-qp1ww]

Why not Early Modern?

[@bobbychess5652]

i was thinking of a format like this

[@bobbychess5652]

but 2019 is actually to new for me, id prefer up to 2015 or so

[@fpawluszmtg]

@@bobbychess5652 Multiple spots in time for drawing the line were considered. Doing it in 2015 seemed arbitrary, and ultimately ended up going for the very last set that was created before the FIRE design philosophy took effect, hence the name of the format.

[@portland573]

Be interested to see if this takes off.

[@fpawluszmtg]

Me too! So far it's been promising, with a community organized MTGO league that has 28 registered players the day it was launched!

[@spike390]

I've been suggesting a format from invasion to aether revolt on reddit for a year now on reddit. I would get down voted to oblivion, now im seeing more people playing with the idea lately.

[@fpawluszmtg]

Community created formats are the future, imo.

[@isambo400]

I will try to play it

[@fpawluszmtg]

Awesome!

[@arrighi11]

Do you playu this format in the modern room or freeform room

[@fpawluszmtg]

Freeform, since there are multiple cards that are banned in Modern that are legal in this format.

[@leooliveira4552]

The golden age of Modern, but better!

[@fpawluszmtg]

That's what we're trying to achieve!

[@Johnny_E]

Love it! Format needs a Homepage just Like Premodern. I am curious how the gameplay is. To be honest, all the mana denial of premodern made me less excited about it. Old days modern gameplay I remember fondly!

[@fpawluszmtg]

There are many folks uploading gameplay videos in the Discord channel, besides the couple of videos you can find here.

[@franciscofloresulloa8080]

This format is the Best idea, unless you want to play spiderman in modern.

[@fpawluszmtg]

I think community created formats are the future of Magic. WotC has gone way "beyond" what the game used to mean to a lot of folks and I don't think they're coming back.

[@awizardwithwords994]

Please, for the love of god let this format stick around! This is basically all I play with my playgroup!

[@jacktorborg9862]

Does this mean Enduring Ideal is finally tier one somewhere!? :b

[@fpawluszmtg]

Enduring Ideal has ALWAYS been tier 1 in our hearts

[@hoza121]

Can Second Sunrise be moved to the watch list?.....

[@fpawluszmtg]

@@hoza121 I don’t think so. 20 min non-deterministic turns are pretty rough…

[@CarloGoiff666]

is deathrite shaman in this environment?

[@Goblinking315]

It was on the ban list

[@fpawluszmtg]

DRS is banned, but I am assuming that Bloodbraid and Punishing Fire will mean that there will be a strong Jund deck available. All the details are in the document linked, if you are interested.

[@diobrando89]

Would be nice to have a scryfall filter

[@TheDevlain]

I dunno how much time it could take to the scyfall team to accept the filter but: f:modern (year

[@danielschmidt7143]

this was cool! love to see non pre-modern content again!

[@fpawluszmtg]

Premodern will continue to show up in the channel, but definitely expect to see more of Pre-FIRE Modern coming up!!!

[@DreLeila]

Boy if I. Want more non pre modern video, go check another channel? Jesus If I want listen black metal I don’t go on 50cent clips and complain about he does only rap stuff

[@danielschmidt7143]

@@fpawluszmtg I want to be clear it wasn't a complaint, it was just excitement to see you doing other formats. the other commenter seems to have read it as a complaint and so if you read it that way it wasn't my intention. much love regardless have loved your content for a long time

[@cruetusnex]

I can't believe you didn't try out Amulet Bloom!

[@fpawluszmtg]

Oh believe me, it's coming soon! Also 2 days ago I figured out Punishing Maverick can also be a thing and I cannot wait to take that one for a spin!

[@tommetelsky]

🐐

[@fpawluszmtg]

😎

[@WLDFLD]

What does "fire" mean here?

[@fpawluszmtg]

Good question! "FIRE" was a design philosophy that WotC started using while designing new Magic sets. It effectively meant they wanted to push the power level of cards quickly and consistently, to the point where they'd render previous staples of the format obsolete. This began in the set War of the Spark (which is the very first set not included in Pre-FIRE), and continues pretty much to this day, which has made the current Modern format effectively rotate whenever they launch the newest direct to Modern set.

[@TheMagicWorker]

Honestly, the banned list should be empty to start, then iterated on monthly for the first year. Many of the cards on the initial banned liat weren't banned pre-FIRE design, SSG, DRS, SSR, KCI come to mind. I would love to play Ad Nauseum or Eggs in PreF Modern, but that's not possible with the current banned list

[@fpawluszmtg]

SSG is NOT currently banned, but on the watch list, so Ad Nauseam is very playable. Regarding the other cards we already know what Eggs or KCI would do to the format, and it's not a play experience than the vast majority of folks would necessarily consider "fun", so the cards that would make those tier 1 decks are preemptively banned. If you wanted to play Eggs you could still do so, with Faith's Reward and Open The Vaults, but Second Sunrise, which would make it much more challenging for the deck to end up so high up in the tier list.

[@TheCartajay]

Is this is a official format?

[@fpawluszmtg]

Very much NOT, haha. A big part of the format is that WotC has no say whatsoever.

[@donwerey8288]

I can't wait for Splinter Twin to get banned in P-Fire :P

[@fpawluszmtg]

Hahaha, that is guaranteed to not happen. We will ban Deceiver Exarch and Pestermite before banning Twin, so that you can only combo with Bounding Krasis lol

[@jesussuperstar3406]

I thought of this format too, and the non-legal ongoing starts from kld in my build. Bc the shit really hits the fan w fatal push imo. Also some bans are actually required for a healthy format, bc 4 misstep 4crome mox is boring af

[@fpawluszmtg]

Yeah, you can take it other places. Personally I think Fatal Push is great for a format like this cause it makes it easier to answer Exarch to help bring Twin down a notch, as well as having good removal for Tarmogoyf and other potentially problematic dudes.

[@jesussuperstar3406]

@@fpawluszmtg Imo twin is very polarising player experience. Winning w it feels undeserved like 1 out of 5 games, and losing to it feel like cheese. KCI could be dreadful to play against but it eats a lot of timer in modo, and combo pod has accessible dedicated hate via cage. On the other hand twin is just an instant speed removal check, which is actually unfun.

[@AnthonyPriolo-pp4vx]

Oh man, we lose our boy reclaimer by a couple sets :(

[@fpawluszmtg]

@@AnthonyPriolo-pp4vx our times together will be treasures forever ❤️

[@bobobaggins8741]

Sign me up! I will be building a deck tomorrow!

[@fpawluszmtg]

@@bobobaggins8741 Awesome! Feel free to join the Discord and find some games!

[@michaelcarstater2097]

It's a neat idea, but honestly I have zero desire to ever play against Twin again.

[@fpawluszmtg]

Then this is not the format for you, my friend. And that's totally fine! I'm pretty sure that if you look for it you can find something else that will suit your preferences.

[@brendanmcgrail]

Clearly this format isn't for me, but I do find it interesting that you're creating a format that is sort of the opposite of Premodern. I get the need for a clear endpoint for the format, but I think MH1 was an unalloyed good and you could just ban Hogaak and be plenty happy.

[@DankLivingEnd]

I have some games of this format uploaded to my chnnel

[@fpawluszmtg]

Hell yeah! Feel free to share!

[@OtterSIaughter]

Give Modern2015 a try!

[@Kakerate2]

You bottom your combo piece...huh? The preordains can dig for lands you need. That really threw me off, possibly just new to piloting combo decks?

[@fpawluszmtg]

I don't know what specific scenarios or decks you are mentioning here, but some combo decks are situationally not interested in going for the combo if they think that the combo is not very likely to work and can be easily disrupted.

[@Kakerate2]

@@fpawluszmtgi get that, but the grind plan of splinter is work isn't it? If the combo gets disrupted, your goal would be to try to assemble again is my thinking atleast.

[@massimodutoit6688]

the problem i have with those formats, is it will become stale after it is resolved TRULY. maybe you end up in a rock paper scissor with a rotating dominant deck, and the format will eat himself. You need to add cards not locking in a certain amount.

[@fpawluszmtg]

@@massimodutoit6688 Having played Premodern for over 2 years has told me this is simply not true. It’s the most common misconception that people who have never played the format fall into. Premodern started almost 10 years ago, and today it looks vastly, vastly different than 2 months ago. As in the best deck in the format didn’t exist 2 months ago. And the best deck before that didn’t exist 8 months before that.

[@RumpledNutskin]

I dont request amulet titan. I NEED amulet titan

[@fpawluszmtg]

@@RumpledNutskin You, my friend, will not be disappointed!

[@arrighi11]

Played some games already great new format. But man there are some over powered decks. LOL

[@fpawluszmtg]

Nice! We will have some over powered decks for a while, and there will be a first round of bans in a month or two, after we see how everything settles. But yes, that's the whole point, to take risks and explore a format that never existed before.

[@jareddoucette7193]

See. This is why I have held on to so much of that modern crap.

[@fpawluszmtg]

STONKS!!! 🤑

[@jareddoucette7193]

Sadly sold mox opals years ago

[@shamuscrawford]

Give back git probe so I can play infect again.

[@fpawluszmtg]

Probably not, haha. I do expect Infect to be quite strong in the format, though. Preordain can give the deck scary consistency.

[@khurgar8120]

People have way too much nostalgia from this time of magic. The format of modern was just a big mess without any comeback mechanics, and full of random "oh, I just randomly win" moments. The same thing that happened in modern will happen to this format as well, people will grow sick of the "pillar" cards and just stop playing since the format has no way of implementing new cards to combat it.

[@fpawluszmtg]

@@khurgar8120 Cool! Until then we’ll play the format and enjoy it!