Introducing the Flik Wing Kickstarter

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[@PeterSripol]

I NEEEED it!

[@darthsnizreb6350]

Hi Peter!

[@taham6757]

i have a question that have been around my head for a long time why do we use V tails instead of normal tail

[@whatsthematter8767]

@@taham6757 V-Tails use less material and therefore can be made lighter than conventional tails, they also generally have a lower frontal surface area and create less drag. They also can get the control surfaces out of turbulent engine thrust, just look at the cirrus vision jet! It uses a V-Tail so that the turbulence from the thrust of the engine which is mounted right in front of the tail and on top of the plane doesn't mess up the control surfaces.

[@taham6757]

tyy ,i have another question😅 is it really true flying wings are more less stable than normal airplanes @@whatsthematter8767

[@PS1212]

Couldnt u just make it better?

[@NicholasRehm]

Congrats on the amazingly successful launch guys! You know who to call if you need more crash testing ;)

[@bimmers50e30]

How do you get in this Kickstarter? I'll pay extra to have your flight controller.

[@Technicallyaddicted]

The first ever kickstarter I’m going to support. $55 for the bare airframe is a steal.

[@glenmiller1437]

Contrats on the project. Info requests for the kickstarter project... Can you further spec out the wing? Motor size (recommended, or what's in the kit), servos, FS, battery, prop, etc. Also airspeed, flight duration, range etc. Interior layout of plane, CG, weight table, etc. Surely you are working on finalizing this, but you've flown it, so you must have a pretty good idea what these are now. The kickstarter feels under-spec'ed, but also thank you for not having it scroll on forever with stock photo nonsense. Good luck!

[@jimmy8445]

Money making scheme. He's selling a bit of epp and some bulk standard minimim parts at a price lol. Going to be lots of disappointed people thinking they are about to receive a mini parrot disco and get that 😂 he knew exactly what he was doing and could have shared a simple parts list any time and simply sold his own personalised wing shaping but no... youtuber need more money probz

[@glenmiller1437]

@@jimmy8445 I'm not that cynical. I've watched both of these guys for years, and they seem to be straight shooters. I highly doubt it's a money grab. I do think there is excessive enthusiasm in the comments here, considering the lack of product information. TF and RCTF need to step up with more specs. ( That's assuming they have not already. I'm not checking up on the kickstarter.) Working out the details, getting it right, and mass producing takes a lot of effort, and money. If they deliver a good product, they'll deserve whatever they make.

[@jimmy8445]

@@glenmiller1437 nope I've also watched them both for years. The maker/rc community has always been open source. I watched countless people endlessly ask for a simple parts list and they knew exactly what they were doing and refused to provide. These are the very people that made their channels and supported them. I would have respected him of he wanted to sell his wing/foam design and just shared his low weight parts list but lost all respect after seeing this kick-starter campaign

[@glenmiller1437]

@@jimmy8445 Hey Jimmy. I guess that's your prerogative. If they hit their schedule and deliver a good design, I have no issues. I mainly think the lack of a hardware list and specs (even a preliminary ones) when they have a working beta design is very odd. That's a bit too "kickstarter" for my liking. They far surpassed their kickstarter goal, so I think we're in the minority with our concerns, lol. Well, we'll see what happens.

[@aqua_sakura5021]

@@jimmy8445let my man do what he wants

[@UnexpectedInquisition]

I would buy a more expensive idiotproof "no assembly required" option that came with a camera and controlls and everything else needed to start, out of the box. Even if it cost $$$

[@bobwilkinson4001]

This is awesome, you and Daniel are making some of the best rc/maker content on KZbin, can't think of anyone I'd rather back. Hopefully when it gets closer to delivery you can give us some recommendations on electronics. I'm especially interested in getting something working with full Ardupilot and telemetry, my last attempt ended up too heavy and never flew well. Especially after it crashed and broke in half :D

[@techstuff6829]

Matek F405-WMN is a solid contender. The ATOMRC F405 NAVI MINI looks interesting but I haven't used it. Happymodel EP1 dual receiver. (ELRS)

[@whatsthematter8767]

100K Kavin! Congrats! So hyped to finally get mine in!

[@nicocesar]

Has to be exciting to see the numbers go up with this kickstarter!! Got myself 2..!

[@1986Patric]

Missing the tier 4 with autopilot for plug and play? I had to choose tier 3 :( Congrats on the success so far, thanks to both channels for all you do.

[@icaerosag]

Since parrot went out of business and I missed buying a disco, this is perhaps my first kickstart campaign that I will support. Excellent collaboration with Daniel.

[@jimmy8445]

You could have built something better than a parrot disco for half the price too. But these guys already know that. Think I'm going to make a video showing everyone how to do exactly the same with this money grab

[@icaerosag]

@@jimmy8445 please do make a video about that.

[@jimmy8445]

@@icaerosag the maker community has always prided itself in being open source. I have zero respect for opportunistic money grabs and refusing to share simple parts lists so screw them. They are using open source ardupilot builds and pretending it's their own

[@icaerosag]

@@jimmy8445 I don't know much about this particular case, but I agree with the open source part.

[@jimmy8445]

@@icaerosag if you really want one I have a mint parrot disco with the unlocked lte dongle that's fairly hard to find 🤷‍♂️ but if you have patience you could build better spec for what it's worth today like I say. unfortunately LTE support won't last much longer in my country I assume

[@VinceSamios]

Stroke of brilliance, such a good way to monetise the channel. I only wish there was a package including all electronics for those starting with nothing.

[@redjem13]

First kickstarter I've ever supported! Good luck guys, looking forward to it.

[@whidzee]

How does the flight experience of this compare to the Strix Nano Goblin that you also designed?

[@rklauco]

Would you consider to do a version with all-in? E.g. with electronics, ardupilot, FPV system, etc? Or is it too much hassle?

[@TheTetrapod]

This is the only way I'd go for it. If I'm buying all the parts anyway, I might as well get a whole plane.

[@davidsteinhour5562]

I bought a Nano Goblin and LOVED it. A tiny O3 Air Unit plane is my dream!

[@evanbarnes9984]

This is my first time backing a Kickstarter! Fortunately I know that RCTestflight has already done a successful injection molding Kickstarter with the snowcat, so I'm not worried about you being able to pull this off. Do you think this wing can slope soar? I'd love to take it out to my local ocean cliffs to FPV slope soar on days when the wind is too strong for paragliding.

[@nehok]

You can slope pretty much anything, it’s just a question of enough wind / lift.

[@evanbarnes9984]

​@@nehokhaha that's true. Years ago I made some seriously bad foam planks for slope soaring that worked just fine in high winds. There's definitely a lot to be said for an efficient design that can really utilize the lift, though. Either way, I love EPP foam wings, so this thing will be super fun!

[@AerialWaviator]

It will be light weight (under 250g), so should soar well in light breezes. Ballast likely will be required up front, as was designed to cary FPV equipment. Being light and made of EPP, it should also stand u to some light combat soaring. I'd expect would be a blast to fly, particularly if had a friend or two all soaring at the same time.

[@middleagedbaldguy6774]

Looking forward to seeing them in May. Glad to see the funding went so well!!

[@taterbits]

So cool! Can't wait to see more videos when it ships!

[@WindCatcherRC]

That is a sweet looking little and very capable plane. NICE!!!

[@Xailow]

Backed! Excited to add this little fella to my fleet

[@Robot_Child_Productions]

That’s incredible!! I so want one for Christmas 😂

[@gator1984atcomcast]

My ZOHD with FPV and FC, GPS is kinda like this. It may be the last plane I need. At Edwards’s AFB in the 60’s I visited NASAs X21 laminar flow test plane. The “Holly Grail” of flight can be achieved several ways. I’d like to see you and Daniel do this with a model wing.

[@FlyingBeeFPV]

I will have to get one! At minimal to support both of your Channels , since i Do value the both of you very much. Stoked to see a version of the Nano Goblin from you both! I would love to see more collaborations from you! Maybe a Cinelifter Vtol with Gimbal control? Now that would be Sick

[@Rich-TeaFPV]

Backed 😀👍👍gone for the frame kit, this will be a great for spring next year.

[@eduardmonstrey7113]

i would love to back this project :D only one question, are you planning to ship to EU countries? (belgium)

[@chman2]

This happened at the perfect time. I was wanting something like this and now I can offord it too.

[@steinne]

this is great! Looking forward to seeing it become a reality -

[@onjofilms]

Wow, you blew it out of the park boys!

[@tristanallen2448]

This is awesome!!

[@alainassaf]

good luck !

[@zestyorc6506]

Haha, watched this a few hours ago and less than 10 people were on the kickstarter. Now you have hit goal plus some. Looking forward to getting a pair friendly neighborhood drones.!

[@lucidjimiking46]

This would be awesome!!

[@horsship]

How long can it fly for?

[@mug6804]

Didn't even watch the video. I'm in! Been waiting for you to launch something for a while!

[@bobirving6052]

Nice idea!

[@herwigg3327]

it looks like 100% funding within 24 hours - congratulations!

[@dronefootage2778]

more like 3 hours, but go ahead and insult the man

[@herwigg3327]

@@dronefootage2778 insult?

[@dronefootage2778]

@@herwigg3327 well, if you accomplished something in 3 hours and then someone said it took you 24 hours, not sure how you would feel about it

[@KF99]

Wow, I have a similar sub 250g project now, it has 2 times greater wingspan, but it can be disassembled to fit inside a small hand luggage bag.

[@panemetcircenses510]

Dear Santa…. Count me in!

[@waaggzz2871]

congrats guys this looks amazing.. kick starter prices are cheap in my opinion! looks like the kids and the big kid might have a new toy coming...

[@Jason-ov2ez]

I want one of these so badly...

[@SaschaGrant]

Backed!! Very cool :)

[@literally_not_kevin]

For those interested in the Kickstarter, it unfortunately won't ship until ~May 2024 😢. Still glad to back it tho!

[@Finnphix]

Half funded in under an hour. DAMN!! Also. I'm going to be getting ATLEAST one if not more for friends

[@googleyoutubechannel8554]

I mean, I fully support you and Daniels commercial efforts, and nobody would deserve RC commercial success (however much that is :)) more, but you can already buy this plane kit? It's a nano goblin?

[@rust_embedded]

Backed! Can't wait, this is gonna be my first RC plane ever 🤓

[@AerialWaviator]

Awesome! It's looking like this project is already air-born ... noticing already 2x of goal within 24 hours for releasing this video.

[@sherwoac]

why not have an FPV ready pledge level? all the kit in one package

[@vidmasze]

cool stuff! a few ideas on aerodynamics: - option to smooth out the winglets corners with foam, maybe could be glued next to carbon (i like carbon as strong) - it's hard to see from the video/pics, though, I heard that if placed at certain angles winglets can still produce some thrust (converting vortices into thrust) - did you do CFD or real life L/D (lift/drag) measurements? most foamies just stink because they don't provide any info about efficiency (L/D graphs, wh/km @ weight, etc), which became a very nice norm in 3d print market (titan dynamics, eclipson), just no option from molded foamy there! That would be really cool so people which know exactly what to expect from the wing performance wise. this in real life can be measured by measuring glide ratio (i guess you knew). - interestingly depending if you want to optimize wing efficiency for minimum wing span vs minimum weight, the NASA Prantdl and BSLD concept might be very relevant: * if wingspan is most important (and not weight) is important you probably stick with old-style Elliptic which is optimum for fixed wingspan * however if you consider optimizing for structural weight and to also minimise the induced drag at 250g limit - thus wing could be a bit smaller at same lift (this is very interesting because say in ZOHD Dart I couldn't fit normal 18650 batteries with proper electronics within 250g, not to even dream about 21700), NASA Prantdl and Bell Shaped Lift Distribution (BSLD) in general, like birds, cuts induced drag by converting part vortices into thrust, in addition to other cool things like PROVERSE yaw! And unlike Eliptic, Prantdl/BSLD gives optimum solution given a fixed wing structural weight! see ntrs.nasa.gov/api/citations/20160003578/downloads/20160003578.pdf and ntrs.nasa.gov/api/citations/20210014683/downloads/H3284FINAL.pdf I would certainly buy one if you'd have a foamy with BSLD / Prandtl! For small plane, this one might be quite good starting point (instead of original opensource Nasa Prantdl's models which have larger aspect ratio) and flies amazingly stable even in manual (I got 3d printed version of it): www.angelwingdesigns.co.uk/products/fvt3-pre-order the developers of this wing are very cool guys and maybe they might cooperate on injection mold?

[@ZZ430T56]

Looks like it glides like the space shuttle. I don't think anything you are asking is applicable.

[@vidmasze]

@@ZZ430T56 :D be sure, space shuttle glides worse... it had one of the worst aerodynamics ever as a glider ;) if it glides badly as you say (not so sure, looked kinda ok to me in the video for the dimensions), that's just another reason why some of the above might make sense (e.g. BLSD/Prandtl allows reducing induced drag by up to 11+% at same lift, not sure about winglets performance, but I'm sure there were reports square winglets on real airplanes was eating like maybe ~5% more fuel) - if these worked out, each of them would improve the gliding!

[@vidmasze]

another dumb idea to check, are the wing airfoils specifically selected as relatively low-Reynolds-number ones, right (I'd guess they are, but this wasn't explicitly mentioned)? @Think Flight

[@barrywood5357]

very nice and very smart crack on

[@Trainrhys]

I hope it works as I always have thought we need some fixed wing drones

[@whatsthematter8767]

I'm speechless, all I can say is: I'm in!

[@hipser]

i would buy this just to support you. Is it being sold with analog video options?

[@ovalwingnut]

I see a new type of "neighborhood air mail" service...

[@SolidBlueBlocks]

90$ for a unit with electronics is a really fair price!

[@busterhyman103]

ADS 𝐔𝐍𝐒𝐔𝐁𝐒𝐂𝐑𝐈𝐁𝐄

[@R.B_B]

If they delivery. I had enough of Kickstart scams.

[@mikebergman1817]

@@R.B_B If anyone is going to make up a kickstarter to scam their hard earned subscribers out of a cool $15k, Kavin and Daniel are definitely those guys😆

[@dronefootage2778]

@@mikebergman1817 exactly. Daniel is well known for his scams. one time he pretended to make a snowcat but it was all cgi and then he created fake personalities with more cgi of people pretending to build said snowcat.

[@jerem091]

Will it includes a tutorial for autopilot or FPV hardware ?

[@glr]

What about stereoscopic video? Will there be a way to do that?

[@dronefootage2778]

@@glr what are you talking about, will there be a way to install 2 cameras?

[@glr]

​@@dronefootage2778Not only that, but the tutorial for that: i.e., exact camera(s) to use, how to install, app or program to receive video from camera(s) with stereo headset.

[@kieren7763]

Honestly there's a certain amount of fun that comes with a small plane or drone that big heavy stressful planes just don't have i love bieng able to push a small craft and even crash it with almost no stress and if you can make something small and stable people will always buy it

[@MatterMage]

Nice. I'm in.

[@peter360adventures9]

Awesome

[@ltsky311]

it looks like an Ebee. or the short version of the Skywalker x8.

[@robe4314]

Since this is a little bigger, what will be the range on this?

[@VtuberLife]

so does it comme assembled already ? or do i have tu put it together my self

[@ronygarcia8079]

I need one ❤

[@azertyQ]

Wow, those flight controllers/telemetry transponders are EXPENSIVE (compared to the drone)

[@alexanderfaucher1619]

Yah. I looked and ELRS has a dual link solution called air port that seems like it might work.

[@rocketbunnyum8519]

@@alexanderfaucher1619 oh wow. missed that one. thank you!

[@JensSi]

what's the expected flighttime and range? inkl. FPV and insta360Go?

[@alexejtolstoy735]

Cool. What is the flight time?

[@Very_Grumpy_Cat]

Well it depends on what battery you use. larger batteries will give you longer flight time but is will weigh more.

[@matthiaskuhn6704]

Amazing…is it possible to buy CAD files for 3 d printing?

[@licencetoswill]

woohoo!!

[@primeum]

Just flik would do

[@rohansully584]

Yes sir!

[@matteoperroni3797]

No kit with flight controller included it seems?

[@ricknoah9184]

Quick question... what are the wing loading specs ?

[@finn_mcmissile]

how much does it weigh empty?

[@bender9205]

Finally!

[@daviddavids2884]

Information 1:41 a pushrod Should be PERPENDICULAR to its associated hinge line.!

[@techstuff6829]

Ideally yes, but in practice for a foamy this is fine.

[@busterhyman103]

Fly fast

[@Jwmbike14]

I designed & sell a 490mm 3d printed FPV wing thst I regularly fly on 2s, 3s Li-ion with HD systems and full AP. One 2s it can weigh the legal 250g. Not nearly as durable as EPP/EPO, but cost ~$4 in material and prints in 4 hrs.

[@jiatan_fpv]

How's that better than Baby AR Wing PRO? I'd like to see raw unstabilized DVR in windy conditions - GyroFlow can make any footage look good, but the problem with small planes is that it's not enjoyable to fly when it's windy - even if the final stabilized footage looks good, what you're seeing in the goggles can be very shaky.

[@debartellomartinez7214]

I don't know, a little to, "Chinese toy market" for me.

[@RubyS.1]

Done. Looks like few other people backed it as I was checking out too.

[@gibsonf06]

Backed!

[@derroadcyclist9664]

Is this the NANO GOBLIN 2.0? need it

[@Nicolas_dG]

I'm wondering how different it is from the nano goblin? slightly smaller and lighter i guess? (since you made both of them thats why im asking :) )

[@busterhyman103]

ADS 𝐔𝐍𝐒𝐔𝐁𝐒𝐂𝐑𝐈𝐁𝐄

[@mikebergman1817]

NG is a plank with 23" ws, and dual central vert stablizers. The Flik Wing looks to be a little bit smaller with a swept wing, and winglets for vert stabilization. Super cool little wing.

[@Nicolas_dG]

Yeah sure, but in terms of handling/ capabilities etc

[@AerialWaviator]

Details on flight handling will probably not be available until after the molds made and the first few EPP versions flown. Being sub-250g, it will fly smoother in lighter wind conditions and be more stable in flight. Having a wider wing cord, I'd expect this Flik wing to fly slower (or be capable of) than a goblin plank. Flying with, or without a flight controller will also make a difference. Expect there will be additional video, or updates on kickstarter as they progress through this project.

[@chman2]

Pledged.

[@jakeclauson9863]

What's the difference between this and something like the sonic model 680mm wing? Which is basically the same thing for the same price except available now. There a lot of wings on the market these days. Whats so special about this one?

[@whatsthematter8767]

The main selling point of this airplane is that it is light and only measures 20 inches or about 50 centimetres, aswell as easily weighing in under 250 grams, making it safer than other alternatives and thus allowable for use practically anywhere.

[@jakeclauson9863]

@whatsthematter8767 under 250g all up weight? The sonic model is barely bigger and the pnp variant is 400+ grams without a video system

[@whatsthematter8767]

@@jakeclauson9863 Yikes. That's all I can say.

[@whatsthematter8767]

@@jakeclauson9863 But yes, it is under 250 all up weight, he has another video where he made a prototype.

[@techstuff6829]

I'm curious why people should buy this instead of a Nano Goblin? The price difference is only about $25, which isn't much once you factor in the electronics.

[@nathanz7205]

You say that but the Goblin doesn't come with any electronics for 85$ just hardware. And 20$ on top of that for shipping and i'd much rather pay 55 for a kickstarter and get it once it releases and not have to worry about shipping and all that. I can take the time to plan out and purchase electronics and hardware later as they work on the mould and manufacturing.

[@paulnguyen6120]

Easy pledge.

[@lightdark00]

I think you have pretty fair pricing.

[@Zagitta001]

Rather unfortunate shipping outside US is so expensive at 25$ but otherwise very good pricing

[@dronefootage2778]

lol if you can't pay 25 for shipping around the world then you honestly don't deserve this.

[@bobwilkinson4001]

US shipping is $15, seems like you're getting a pretty good deal

[@Zagitta001]

@@dronefootage2778 who said I can't afford it? Just saying 25$ shipping on a 55$ part eg 45% is very significant

[@Zagitta001]

​@@bobwilkinson4001 unfortunately by the time this arrives at the door of anyone in the EU the price has basically doubled because of shipping, VAT and import handling fee. I would love to get one myself but it's not as great of a deal as it seems at first glance.

[@derekvanderbyl4]

Take my money😀

[@sarangthemalbert8547]

Do you have OCD cause your projects are too neat 😂

[@dronefootage2778]

he does but it's the good kind of ocd :D

[@user-yc7sg7xj4f]

Super nice

[@breckfreeride]

250g faa registration limit?!

[@jonask.1409]

Nice👌

[@geoffreyjames3107]

Contact attempt Why don’t TOGA equiped aircraft have STOP button to reject a take off? Geoff

[@staydown.normal5323]

sonice modell 600 or 900 or 1000mm same thing

[@toiletenraupe]

Cool

[@TheNadOby]

Daaaaamn

[@jonclement]

I'm in! Can someone recommend a controller so I can look for a used one

[@trash_in_a_box]

I really like my Taranis X Lite Pro. Plenty of channels, small and comfortable to hold, and while it isn't the cheapest, it is not absurdly expensive like some of the other radios out there.

[@jdbiphone]

Welp. looks like i watched this video too late.

[@pascalfust1035]

Awesome, though, for two sets of that tiny plane I had to pledge 50USD, which I think is a bit much. Could there be a reduction in shipping costs if reserved more than one piece? I am definitely also looking forward to the UAV add-on option announced...