Introducing the KLIM Ai-1 Airbag Vest

[@SwineBrothers]

Wait wait wait. So let's say I've payed my subscription month after month after month. But something happens, and I'm unable to pay. So, if I were to get into an accident, the vest wouldn't activate, and I'd be scraped off the side of the road, and it'd be your fault. Not to mention that this subscription service is promoted as you saving money, as a lot of vests cost more. But time will come when you'll have spent all that money anyway, and then, effectively, you'll be spending even more.

[@KlimUSA]

If payment isn’t completed, In&motion will actively notify you about the issue. Your airbag will continue working normally for 30 days failed payment. After those 30 days, you actually won’t be able to turn your vest on without an error indication on the LEDs, warning you that it’s not ready for riding. Only then, if you choose to ignore those warnings and wear a clearly non-functioning airbag, would you face the situation of not having an activation during a crash. Even if you’re at the end of the 30-day grace period, In&motion turn the airbag module off during your ride. When it comes to subscription or one-time purchase, both options are available. The entire “subscription payment problem” situation can be avoided by simply buying the detection module outright. Both options have merits and drawbacks. For example, the subscription options entitle you to a new In&box detection module after a few years. Think of it like leasing a car, you’re always making payments but getting a newer vehicle more often. The one-time purchase option doesn’t get you a new module after a few years, just like buying and owning a cell phone. You own the product, but as technology develops you’ll eventually have outdated tech on your hands. When you buy any airbag vest without an upgrade plan built into it, your $800 product will inevitably become outdated. When you lease the In&box detection module, your technology updates are built into the cost and spread out over time, so you’re not faced with another $400-$800 expense 3-4 years down the road. Choose whatever option works best for you.

[@SwineBrothers]

@@KlimUSA That..Actually clears it up quite nicely.

[@SwineBrothers]

@@ebog4841 It honestly doesn't sound that scammy to me. I'd be the first one crying scam if it was, I did kind of go to this video out of morbid curiocity.

[@jahphotographizer]

@@KlimUSA Is it true that if you let your subscription lapse (ie during winter months) you will be charged $4 per month when you attempt to resubscribe? If so, how does Klim justify charging when no services are provided? Very curious to hear your reply, I own a lot of Klim gear but this really leaves a bad taste in my mouth. klimsitecontent.s3.amazonaws.com/contentblocks/2021%20Moto/US%20website%20news%20-%20suspension%20option%20-%202021.03.10_Page_5.jpg

[@knightwolf3511]

@@SwineBrothers but catch is i think you will need your phone internet always connected, if it's going by server to calculate during a crash then sends it back to the phone and to the backpack, it would mean any location without cellphone reception your going to get hurt. or if your data plan runs out

[@firemanflorence]

I've never wanted to see a company fail as hard as I do this. If you want $800 for the jacket, charge $800 for it. Don't put a subscription fee on someone's life/safety.

[@REAL-UNKNOWN-SHINOBI]

This

[@MusicalMemeology]

You can pay for the computer outright though.

[@ric84]

"Give us money or die in a bike crash" Such a nice thing to say to your customers after they bought your product.

[@SwineBrothers]

They're promoting it as you'll save money. Which you will, in the short term. But really, this just smacks of greed.

[@zippy441]

@@SwineBrothers I don't think you'll save money as such, it just gives you an option to pay installments. You can buy the whole lot outright to start and then its about the same cost of the Alpinestars system... I have this systems and the thing I like about it is it's Uber comfortable (I have a habit of buying stuff and never wearing because it doesn't feel right !) But what I'm not overly happy about is that it will still only activate in a head on and at certain angles... Supposed to be adding on the same scenarios as Alpinestars stars but none as yet (as far as I can tell)

[@durian111]

You don't even own a bike, entitled much

[@NinhNguyen]

Remember the good old days when you basically own what you buy with you hard earned money? Yeah! Me too.

[@KlimUSA]

Ninh, the service can be purchased out-right.

[@rasaecnai]

@@KlimUSA nah, you just put the outright purchase option there so you can say you are not a complete scam. in your website you flash the $400 price instead of making it clear immediately that it is actually 800$.

[@thatguyalex2835]

@@KlimUSA In the near future, ur gonna have to pay a fee of $80/mo just to poop in ur toilet.

[@RafikisAnts]

@@thatguyalex2835 fiver a flush xD

[@thatguyalex2835]

@@RafikisAnts Lol.... yep. The Ryanair CEO joked about making passengers pay to use the lav.

[@MotoTravelUSA]

You had me until “subscription service” :/ Klim gear rocks and I own a ton,, but I don’t want to subscribe to my gear. Awesome looking product otherwise. Keep innovating!

[@KlimUSA]

You can choose the subscription option to use the In&box and related services, or you can purchase the In&box outright and still gain access to the software. There are merits and drawbacks to both subscribing or purchasing the In&box, so users can make their own choice.

[@zenec_]

Well I think that subscriptions can make the vest a lot cheaper, instead a selling it at a very high price with like a 300$ to recharge it in case of an accident (like Dainese's doing), kinda works like an assurance does I believe. Now I still think that It cost a lot but atm you can’t really do anything about it cause no assurance compagnies assure it yet (they are waiting to see how much money they’ll make doing so) and not a lot a people are wearing a airbag vest so it’s not very industrialized (the more they’ll make the less it will cost to produce individually). One big critic I’ll make to this vest and to most airbag vest out there is that I don’t see any airbag protection for the shoulder or for your side ribs, it’s really only the front and back which is not always where you will be hit the hardest… which is why I will buy the *[Alpinestars Tech-Air 5 System] * • Covers *shoulders*, chest, *ribs* and full back • Maximum inflation time of 20-40ms based on the volume of the airbag size • *Decreases impact force by 95% compared to a passive protector* • Includes argon gas canisters • Highly ventilated back protector Only cost about 150$ to recharge to vest the first 3 times (then300$), no subscription , $699.95 for the vest itseft. If you hit those metal beams on one of those Highway Metal Beam Crash Barrier (idk if that's how you call them in english) better to have a vest protecting your ribs as well . Saw a few crashes where the guy hits one of those or something similar and it had hit their ribs (so below the armpits), breaking them and sending them right into one or more of their vital organs, so ribs protection is a must. Only cost about 150$ to recharge to vest the first 3 times (then300$), no subscription , $699.95 for the vest itseft.

[@edbreyer]

Please read the details. You can do a monthly subscription OR pay $400 up front and NEVER pay anything again. That 1-time option brings the entire vest to about $800 which is what competing air vests sell for.

[@DarthBiomech]

Does it have any DLCs?

[@XxFukushimistexX]

@Алексей М Oh nice. Is the bikini free or do I need to pay a subscription for wear the bikini ?

[@despareint]

@@XxFukushimistexX klim bikini lootbox

[@cheddarsunchipsyes8144]

@@despareintlol

[@starbutterflygaming8881]

Klim is like EA but in real life

[@Thykka]

At least EAs products don't kill anyone, except maybe from boredom.

[@mobgma]

As soon as I saw subscription service. I was out. Drives me nuts that everyone has a subscription service now leaching money from you monthly.

[@KlimUSA]

You can still purchase the in&box outright if you would like. Refer to the product page for more details. www.klim.com/Ai-1-Airbag-Vest-3046-000

[@mobgma]

@Best4rtNiteClips PPL HATE SUBSCRIPTIONS. PERIOD.

[@Dubtee]

Yeah same. This looked cool until I saw they charge 400 bucks for a license key, or 120 a year to lease a key. On top of the cost of equipment. Ridiculous that I can't just put it on and use it. Oh shit, my plan ran out last week - I guess this falls just gonna kill me. Good thing I'm wearing the new Apple Ivest...... Bollocks.

[@GardenOnTopIndia]

@@KlimUSA you serious? This is some cash grabby strategy you have. I think you guys really need to re-evaluate how messed up this is.

[@rattslayer]

@@KlimUSA "that vest you just bought from us? Better pay for it again" -klim

[@SukatoKjolen]

If it only works on subscription, this company is literally holding your life hostage.

[@KlimUSA]

The entire “subscription payment problem” situation can be avoided by simply buying the detection module outright.

[@Top-Code]

@@KlimUSA "WHAAAA WE ARENT A SCAM WHAAAA WHAAAAAAA WAAAAAA WE LET YOU BUY IT WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA" translation from corporate bs to english

[@thisisthestuffgaming8202]

@@KlimUSA i'm assuming that there's a human being somewhere typing these messages out, no? is the pay worth it? no really, that's not a joke question, i'm really asking: is the money worth it, knowing that you've participated in a "safety product" which, once it's detected a situation requiring activation, it will FIRST MAKE SURE that some server somewhere has "account_owing=false" BEFORE it does any sort of life saving action? and yeah, parroting the "$400 super cheap yo yo yo!" while simultaneously saying "if u no want subscription, just pay the ACTUAL price of $800 and change"? i can't help but wonder if that rubs up against quite a few deceptive advertising laws. not just in america, with their notoriously lax consumer protections, but in other first world countries? klim ships to canada, no? so yeah, assuming you really are in there somewhere mr. human person, maybe do a bit of reflecting? is this what you want? how exactly do you justify it to yourself at those times of questioning? and lastly, what sleeping meds do you use? cuz nobody working this scam and sleeping soundly at night without some zopiclone or some shit.

[@FranBunnyFFXII]

This is what made me buy the alpinestars techair5. Subscription is just... why. This isnt a video game where you can microtransaction nickle and dime people. I spent 700$ got the vest, and thats it. Mine forever. I hope Alpine Stars is thanking you guys for this video and product because its giving them sales.

[@s.a.h.d6575]

Fuck that, I buy something, it should come as "mine" not subscription based...

[@kalel33]

So buy the $400 lifetime updates. The total would be $800, which is in line with other electronic airbag vests.

[@paulm7279]

You must be kidding right??? Subscription service for a life-saving utility?!

[@KlimUSA]

You can purchase the In&box outright and still gain access to the software.

[@dandan3045]

@@KlimUSA what you don’t understand is that consumers feel like they’re being taken for a ride. Paying $400 for a vest advertising a life saving feature only to be told to use said feature will cost you extra on top of what you’ve already paid. Imagine going to a restaurant, ordering a meal, it arrives but are given no cutlery and it will cost extra to use them.

[@NASTEfilms]

@@KlimUSA why aren't the software and firmware updates considered a safety-critical component for the base model? Why are customers allowed to buy a product that stops working in the absence of mechanical/software failure?

[@ToyotaTechnical]

@@KlimUSA How does that answer the question? This is absurd and you should feel awful for defending this, no matter how much you're being paid. Find a better job, you're complicit in fraud.

[@vaulttraveler3478]

@@KlimUSA So 400 bucks for a useless piece of shit eating just resources and another 400 bucks to work

[@gtgt8564]

Still dont understand why a subscription is needed though

[@jeffl9356]

Greed

[@KlimUSA]

You can buy the detection module outright but the subscription options entitle you to a new In&box detection module after a few years. Think of it like leasing a car, you’re always making payments but getting a newer vehicle more often. The one-time purchase option doesn’t get you a new module after a few years, just like buying and owning a cell phone. You own the product, but as technology develops you’ll eventually have outdated tech on your hands.

[@Chikilukis212]

Klim x EA Sport

[@Sierra2S9]

Is this racketeering? Because "pay us or you die" sounds like racketeering.

[@durian111]

I should use that pfp, when you don't have English comprehension or basic reading skill to even read the product and service even i want to🤦🏾‍♂️🤦🏾‍♂️🤦🏾‍♂️

[@exanime]

Airbag on a subscription service... what garbage... would you let me lease this out to someone in Florida during the winter months I can't ride in Canada? or only you are allowed to make $$$?

[@MegaloGater]

A subscription option? Really? So if a customer forgets or cant pay and has a crash he just dies? (Edit: just read customers have a 30 day grace period. Still a stupid idea. You can miss these aswell you know.) Yea. No. Stupid idea. I was honestly considering airbag vests, i was so far always in good opinion on klim products, but sorry to say, im no longer considering your brand. Even offering a subscription option to something security or safety relevant... whoever came up with that, shame on you!

[@KlimUSA]

You can either sign up for a subscription or make it a one-time purchase. The entire “subscription payment problem” situation can be avoided by simply buying the detection module outright. Both options have merits and drawbacks. For example, the subscription options entitle you to a new In&box detection module after a few years. Think of it like leasing a car, you’re always making payments but getting a newer vehicle more often. The one-time purchase option doesn’t get you a new module after a few years, just like buying and owning a cell phone. You own the product, but as technology develops you’ll eventually have outdated tech on your hands. When you buy any airbag vest without an upgrade plan built into it, your $800 product will inevitably become outdated. When you lease the In&box detection module, your technology updates are built into the cost and spread out over time, so you’re not faced with another $400-$800 expense 3-4 years down the road. Choose whatever option works best for you.

[@MegaloGater]

@@KlimUSA I see where this idea came from and its really fancy and all but trust me, sometimes you should not let business analysts decide what customers want or need. Why is there a need for a new module every few years to start with? I dont need to buy a new airbag on my car every now and then, it still fucking works after many years! So why on vests? You know how this could have been made really smarter? Stick with a base price and offer a yearly "upgrade" plan that entitles the customers for upgrades and spare/replacement parts instead of binding their personal life and security to a monthly fee! Customer can't won't pay? Well he wont get updates or new vests or spare/replacement parts, but hey, at least he stays fucking alive! How about that? Because, you know who definately can't purchase your newer generation tech? Thats right, dead customers! But hey, you do you. Based on the reactions all over the internet and this video, i guess it was worth at least some free media presence right? Lets just hope your smart idea won't be the reason for a lost brother on two wheels anywhen.

[@durian111]

@@MegaloGater if you cant pay 8$ or 12$ a month, you shouldn't considering buying it, better just pay rent and take bus, you cant afford a car or bike

[@MegaloGater]

@@durian111 its not a matter of can or cant, "if you cant afford to pay the full price right away, why even bother riding a bike?" same stupid argument. Its a matter of principle. You dont pay monthly for your airbag to work either just to have it not deploy if payment didnt work once and you forgot to update your payment details. I get the idea of making it more affordable by splitting half of the payment onto a monthly fee but making the deployment of the airbag depending on it is very stupid. They could have had more options to keep the people on the monthly fee, like legally binding contracts. But literally making their lives depend on it is in my opinion stupid. However as klim already said, there is a grace period for customers to correct their payments before it stops functioning. But what if i just dont get the notice? By the way, this does also imply that the airbag can be remotely turned off. I know thats a cliche thing to say, but what if their servers and services get breached by some dimwit that hates bikers and decides to turn off all airbags just for the fun? Honestly, how should i trust an airbag to work if i know that it can cease to do so at any given time by a remote command? You tell me.

[@lenico88]

@@MegaloGater Buy it now for 800 dollars, like their competitors sell, and in 3-4 years you can either buy a new vest (like you probably would when your tech5 becomes a tech7) or start paying the subscription for upgrades and get a few more years on your item... This is actually an intermediately priced option for long term protection, you just have to be careful with your payments (automatic payments options ftw here)...

[@Lex-Rex]

It is an unethical practice. Imagine if you will that you have to pay for a subscription service for your vehicle air bags. Well this is the same thing. Nonsense and you should not have to update firmware all the time for a product like this. It is as if you rushed this to market.

[@zippy441]

You don't have to use the subscription service... You can buy the thing out right from the get go!

[@zippy441]

Full disclosure, I have the Ixon version of the same airbag as I'm in the UK. Had it for a year now with the subscription, got to be honest I was pretty sceptical of the whole subscription thing and nearly bought the whole thing to start, but after weighing up the pros and cons deceided to go subscription route. As the guy from Klim said you can stop the subscription when you're not using. You also get the benefit of cheaper servicing when it goes back and when they release the newer version you get that for free. (Don't know if that applies to the Klim) In & box after sales service has been great. Had to message them a few times with questions and issues (which turned out to be user error, not the unit) and they have been top notch, I've got no complaints so far!

[@minyusun3907]

You don't really know how it works and don't bother to check their website before accusing they are being "unethical", do you?

[@mariusadrian999]

@@zippy441 You buy the thing once, it comes in the package, with the airbag. The issue is that you have to buy an activation key or pay monthly for it.

[@MaxFromSydney1]

@Klim, do you have any research data that quantifies how an electronic airbag vest protects a rider better than a lanyard-triggered (non electronic) vest? I own a lanyard-triggered vest from another manufacturer and it would be good to know the incremental gain for the cost to buy your product.

[@zippy441]

I'm really surprised Klim hasn't bothered to answer your question. They go through the hassle of making a video for their social media channel and ignore any questions that arise from it... If they use social media properly it would generate sales, this way it's just going to put people off!

[@Peasant_of_Pontus]

They can't be bothered so I'll tell you. If you crash at any kind of significant speed there's no advantage in terms of safety. Those electronic vests might have a better response time at low speeds, since the response time of the lanyard is based on how fast you're flying off the bike. You're better off in finding a vest that inflates well around the neck and shoulder area rather than looking at the deployment system.In terms of user comfort it depends whether it's more of a hassle for you to charge the box before every ride or keep attaching and detaching every time you get on and off the bike.

[@golferchin76]

Lanyard is totally fine. I won't count on "electronics" that's not hardwired on the chassis.

[@someguy5035]

The gain is that KLIM makes money off you.

[@RustyShacklefordReal]

Can't wait to forget to renew my living license and lose half my skin. Oy vey.

[@KlimUSA]

If payment isn’t completed, In&motion will actively notify you about the issue. Your airbag will continue working normally for 30 days failed payment. After those 30 days, you actually won’t be able to turn your vest on without an error indication on the LEDs, warning you that it’s not ready for riding. Only then, if you choose to ignore those warnings and wear a clearly non-functioning airbag, would you face the situation of not having an activation during a crash. Even if you’re at the end of the 30-day grace period, In&motion turn the airbag module off during your ride.

[@MitchOfCanada]

Don't think I would want to invest in any life saving technology that could be turned off from manufactures whim for failure of subscription payment. Like making your helmet self destruct after 4 years or if it senses a G Force set limit. If I'm on a massive tour somewhere with no cell signal as a lot of ADVENTURE TOURING PEOPLE DO, you potentially could die because of a subscription lapsed? That's ridiculous. Pay To Live Payment Model. Why not Pay per Use? Pay the amount of times the device was used to save your life? I'm sure someone would say, ya for sure ill give you $100 because you saved my life.

[@KlimUSA]

​@@MitchOfCanada Luckily In&motion offers a purchase option for the In&box module as well, meaning no subscription needed if that is a concern for the rider.

[@durian111]

Imagine being responsible adult and making payment, shocking right

[@alexthetruck]

Be a shame is someone released a free overwrite to the scam subscription service

[@Diggnuts]

It will be hacked in no time. Slashdot picked up the story.

[@anthonyoldfield6078]

"You'll own nothing and you'll be happy"

[@KlimUSA]

Hey Anthony, the service can be purchased out-right.

[@laurentpatricio]

Subscription service... this is just straight up evil

[@edbreyer]

Please read the details. You can do a monthly subscription OR pay $400 up front and NEVER pay anything again. That 1-time option brings the entire vest to about $800 which is what competing air vests sell for.

[@MaskOfCinder]

No company that puts their profits over your safety deserves a single cent. It doesn't matter if they offer a non subscription option. Offering a subscription on a safety product shouldn't even be legal.

[@edbreyer]

Please read the details. You can do a monthly subscription OR pay $400 up front and NEVER pay anything again. That 1-time option brings the entire vest to about $800 which is what competing air vests sell for.

[@devongrey4135]

The Helite Turtle uses a mechanical tether, and can be reloaded with a CO2 cartridge, for the win.

[@Epsilonsama]

Wow, a subscription service on a life saving device is digusting. This IOT bs has no place in safety equipment!

[@KlimUSA]

The subscription situation can be avoided by simply buying the detection module outright.

[@ToyotaTechnical]

@@KlimUSA It could be avoided by buying a vest from another manufacturer. How dare you?

[@despareint]

What's wrong with your company? subscription service for a life-saving equipment? You guys should be ashamed. Your parents should be more careful when raising so u won't be such a greedy and making off of profit of someone's life.

[@edbreyer]

Please read the details. You can do a monthly subscription OR pay $400 up front and NEVER pay anything again. That 1-time option brings the entire vest to about $800 which is what competing air vests sell for.

[@Spingola2811]

Hahahahaha what a crap, I need to pay monthly for a product that is one time use. if I had an accident, sure I sue the company. Don't buy crap

[@KlimUSA]

You have the option to purchase the In&box detection module outright. No additional payments or anything needed. The vest is designed to withstand more than just one inflation: after a quick post-inflation procedure (outlined in the manual) you can install a new inflator and it's good to go. After three inflations it must be returned to In&motion or KLIM for safety inspection.

[@monsterenergyaxe]

Wont deploy to save your life unless you pay them monthly. No thanks.

[@edbreyer]

Please read the details. You can do a monthly subscription OR pay $400 up front and NEVER pay anything again. That 1-time option brings the entire vest to about $800 which is what competing air vests sell for.

[@BastetFurry]

Sorry, but a safety device that needs the cloud to check its license? What did you folks smoke? What if you folks close shop? The airbag vest will stop working unless someone made an alternative firmware, everyone interested would need to get to the controller PCB, fiddle with some testpoints for the JTAG and whatnot. Sorry but i hope this product will rot on the shelves.

[@edbreyer]

Please read the details. You can do a monthly subscription OR pay $400 up front and NEVER pay anything again. That 1-time option brings the entire vest to about $800 which is what competing air vests sell for.

[@mariusadrian999]

What is currently happening is incredible. I buy the vest and the module (yes, it is included in the package), but I have to buy a subscription in order for it to actually work and save my life?! Imagine buying a car that comes with an airbag, but it can be enabled only if you pay a monthly or annual subscription or another 400$ in order for it to be activated. Not even Tesla does that. I think safety is one of the things that you must not get greedy on, and make safety equipment affordable to everybody. Because if you save the life of your customer, that customer will continue buying from you. The basic idea is that Klim (and other companies that implement this In & Motion aberration) only want your money, and not a single f*** is given for the riders safety. I understand that innovation requires money, but if you have went with the "sell cheap(er) but in larger quantities, I believe it would have been a win-win. You make smaller profit/unit but sell larger quantities and have cheaper production costs, clients live to see another day and will continue to be your clients in the future. So I will just go with Helite, at least they don't charge for subscriptions or make me pay stupid amounts of money for an activation key...

[@edbreyer]

Incorrect. Nobody sells and electronic air vest for $400. So paying $800 total (vest + lifetime service) is the going rate for a device that can save your life or prevent crippling body damage.

[@golferchin76]

@@edbreyer maybe so but lanyard version works just as well if not better, and are quite affordable these days. Imagine the electronics doesn't work when it is needed. The lanyard is fault proof unless one forgets to attach it.

[@cowtchkushin3294]

You want me to keep buying something I already purchased. Yea, no thanks. I hope your company fails.

[@KlimUSA]

If you choose to purchase the In&box detection module, there are zero additional payments needed. You buy the vest and the module. You own the product and are entitled to the regular software updates and normal functionality.

[@Baldur_1]

The canister are out of stock, so what to do with an used vest? We pay the subscription for a damaged vest?

[@edbreyer]

So I understand the options of paying monthly and getting an endless warranty VERSUS paying the $400 lifetime activation fee (but only getting a 2 year warranty). HOWEVER, what I really want to know is if this vest will deploy and provide protection if rear ended (e.g. at stoplight) or if hit from the side. I know the AI algorithm is continually updated - but heard that the initial offering did not deploy the airbag in those to situations. That makes me less interested in it.

[@rockinginafreeworld3256]

So if you don’t pay your subscription or charge it it fails and you die. This is one technology I’ll pass on.

[@edbreyer]

Please read the details. You can do a monthly subscription OR pay $400 up front and NEVER pay anything again. That 1-time option brings the entire vest to about $800 which is what competing air vests sell for.

[@Si_in_Finland]

I love Klim products and always buy them when i can, but i actively avoid subscription based products. Id far prefer to pay far more upfront and not have to deal with monthly outgoings.

[@edbreyer]

Please read the details. You can do a monthly subscription OR pay $400 up front and NEVER pay anything again. That 1-time option brings the entire vest to about $800 which is what competing air vests sell for.

[@Si_in_Finland]

@@edbreyerthat's great and the option I would take for sure.

[@knightwolf3511]

@@Si_in_Finland that person went through a lot of comments and replied to most people the same thing I just got the same reply

[@Si_in_Finland]

@@knightwolf3511 thanks for that, i must admit i didnt read it fully. However im thinking of going for a tethered airbag anyway just for the simplicity

[@edbreyer]

@@Si_in_Finland Check out the Helite Turtle 2. I bought 2 for me and my son earlier this year. I think they are well built and offer great protection. Unfortunately, we don't like the added bulk so we never used them. A friend recently bought the KILM vest and loves it - and it is less bulky so I am seriously considering it - but still have questions about whether it will sense and inflate when rear-ended (at stoplight) or hit from the side. So I haven't decided yet. I don't like subscriptions - but the endless warranty is tempting.

[@motoscro951]

I have the vest, no deployment yet thankfully but KLIM does not sell the replacement canister. At least not yet, so if you do have an off you may be stuck with an inoperable vest. 😳

[@TrueHelpTV]

burn it.. Klim is a scumbag company that will literally shut your vest off if you miss 1 payment.. a feature that shouldn't exist.. a dangerous failpoint too

[@durian111]

@@TrueHelpTV ok dumdum, owned a motorcycle first, you cant even read on the website i doubt you even ride a bike.

[@chamade166]

Does it work with the Kidney belt inside the Klim Badlands Pro? The belt would go over the lower part of the vest tightly.

[@outlier1562]

What size should I choose for a jacket to wear over the AI-1 airbag Vest? For example, if I wear an M size AI-1 airbag vest, should I choose an M size Marrakesh jacket or an L size?

[@CoursNatationcom]

hello I'm in France I already have the ixon air bag that is used on your product my question is it possible to dress my ixon with KLIM textile Best regards

[@zippy441]

I have the Ixon vest, I believe you can wear the with any jacket as long as there is enough room in the jacket for the airbag to inflate.

[@low-costgearbudgettour714]

Any jacket with 4cm extra space all around is what’s suggested. Unless there’s a lot of stretch panels, you’ll probably need to go one size up from usual. Leather jackets, especially racing style, often have enough stretch panels already without sizing up.

[@MotoRiderHBO]

May I know how to wash the vest after several usage ?

[@sunnyvalejedi]

I thought he was wearing the inflated vest.

[@chewbaccabg]

We are very proud to announce you the newest oxygen mask. It delivers the right amount of oxygen for every breath and is free for 30 inhales. If you wish to keep using it - pay a monthly subscription or your next breath would be of poisonous gas. We will, of course - constantly notify you that you owe us money for providing you with the so-important oxygen. Do not ignore these notifications, because this could be hazardous to your health. And, it uses AI to determine the exact amount of oxygen too! So fancy! Pay up.

[@edbreyer]

Please read the details. You can do a monthly subscription OR pay $400 up front and NEVER pay anything again. That 1-time option brings the entire vest to about $800 which is what competing air vests sell for.

[@everythingpony]

@@edbreyer dude, youre a white knight

[@Thykka]

@@edbreyer aren't you the astroturfing bootlicker. Or do you work for Klim too?

[@charipri7859]

can i wear it with a neck brace?

[@swoopit397]

Ya but most guys wear a pack. How will that affect the inflation?

[@mrtinatom]

Yeah! me too. How does it work with a hydration pack "USWE".

[@zorrotreps]

is this for real? it sounds like a scam to me. I liked Klim products before but this has put me off their goods for good

[@KlimUSA]

Not a scam! If you have any questions about it, please let us know. [e-mail]

[@edbreyer]

Please read the details. You can do a monthly subscription OR pay $400 up front and NEVER pay anything again. That 1-time option brings the entire vest to about $800 which is what competing air vests sell for.

[@patrickhickey8779]

Dont waste your time or money on Klim products . Their warranty sucks and any issues you have will not be addressed. They are owned by Polaris and have gone down a steep hill since then. Better optiins for less money available

[@torlangvand8538]

I've used Klim gear for years. All the way from base layer on out. Never had an issue with getting a response from Klim. Great gear.

[@patrickhickey8779]

@@torlangvand8538 i have used it also for years. Performs well in the begining but simply doesnt last. For the dollars they charge the stuff should last for multiple years but i havent found that to be the case. Long ago their warranty actually worked today not so much. Plenty of other optiins out there for less money with no illusion of a warranty. I dont spend $500 on a pair of bibs and consider them disposable

[@roelof1966]

My traverse suit is only 11 years in use, so I really couldn't tell, Patrick. It still works perfectly and is watertight, even after a major crash repair by a KLiM authorized repair facility. Impeccable service shown by KLiM at that occasion.

[@patrickhickey8779]

@@roelof1966 i switched to other brands that seem toughr and perform better. Motrfist jacket that had kept me warm and dry for the last coupke seasons Dakine bibs that seem indestructable and even a pair of Gill bibs though designed for sailing have worked better than any Klim product i ever owned. Polaris industries an d all their subsidiaries wont be getting any of my hard earned money anytime soon

[@markfuston2714]

I know you guys say you can buy the service outright instead of the monthly subscription payments, but it kinda hides that you need them on your website..like, the website really makes it look like you either pay monthly or yearly and have no choice.

[@durian111]

Or paid in full and use it forever, 99% people ignore that because they cherry picking.

[@Dubtee]

It's as easy as 13 simple, proprietary steps!

[@guillaumejacquet2586]

@klim With the airbag, can we remove the chest and back protection? And what about offroad riding? I understand I have to turn it off, but I maybe still wearing it? In case of crash while offroad roading, is the back protection in the airbag brings the same protection than the D30? Thanks for your answer.

[@kalel33]

They never answered but I can. Yes you can remove your chest and back protection, because the vest covers that. Didn't understand your second question. On the third, it's not designed for off-roading and I wouldn't wear it for off-roading either. You drop a bike too many times off-road and it would cost too much money for replacement canisters at that point. The back protection is CE level 1, which is the same as a D30 CE level 1 backpad.

[@corcoos]

Did you read Ubik by PK Dick? Also, did you sell even one of these brave new world products?

[@robgonzalez510]

How reliable is it? Can you rely on the technology over mechanics?

[@kalel33]

Reliable enough for MotoGP, so I think it works.

[@TrueHelpTV]

its only as reliable as your payments are.. they can literally shut the vest off

[@edbreyer]

@@TrueHelpTV Please read the details. You can do a monthly subscription OR pay $400 up front and NEVER pay anything again. That 1-time option brings the entire vest to about $800 which is what competing air vests sell for.

[@TrueHelpTV]

@@edbreyer oh ive read.. and ive read how they turn the vest off with virtually no indicator and people have almost died because of it.. subscription based safety equipment that can be rendered useless remotely in the middle of a bike ride is horrific. it's shameful. wait wait.. its shameless.. there ya go.

[@edbreyer]

@@TrueHelpTV Yes, turning it off during a ride would be very bad. However, their FAQ answers specifically state they will NOT deactivate the vest during a ride. Supposedly, if you opt for a subscription (which offers the benefit of an endless warranty) and payment is 30 days overdue they say that the vest will clearly indicate that it is not active when you attempt to turn it on for a ride. I would be interested to see where you are reading this - because it may just be people who don't own it who are making claims of how they assume it works. Of course, anyone can avoid these concerns by simply NOT choosing the subscription option and instead choose the $400 paid-in-full option (which has a 2 year warranty).

[@giuseppesg9629]

This airbag can used in motocross or only road?

[@roelof1966]

As I understand from my KLiM dealer, additional algorithms are developed for e.g. track use and enduro use.

[@asifgujjar5825]

What about broken legs

[@makemyday9366]

I would rather buy a mechanical actuated airbag than this stupid subscription pay or die airbag. LOL

[@edbreyer]

Please read the details. You can do a monthly subscription OR pay $400 up front and NEVER pay anything again. That 1-time option brings the entire vest to about $800 which is what competing air vests sell for.

[@makemyday9366]

@@edbreyer so what your saying is I need to buy the product twice just to get its full function? why not just add the 800usd in its total price instead of having a subscribtion model? thats just really stupid. and dont forget most of these startup items usually dont last verry long. once their company closes their app and website will also vanish.

[@edbreyer]

@@makemyday9366 I'm not trying to get you to buy anything - just making it clear that the subscription - which includes unending warranty coverage - is an option. If you can find an electronic airbag vest for $400 - BUY IT and TELL THE REST OF US ABOUT IT! Otherwise, the reality is you are NOT paying twice - they are simply offering us a way to get a high tech airvest for less than the full $800 if so desired. As for them going out of business - while anything is possible, I believe KILM has been around for awhile.

[@joseville]

Would this work for road cycling? Would it deploy in a road cycling crash scenario? Speeds are usually 20mph and rarely exceed 40mph.

[@shadial7808]

Hi, how would a heated jacket liner effect the vest? Is it safe to still wear the heated jacket liner with the vest? Thank you

[@idan678]

I hate how every company starts with "monthly fee services", why can you just make a product and sell it as product and not subscription service

[@durian111]

They already did you numbnut, it either pay 800$ like the market price or 400$+sub for the next 3 years, if you too broke to even pay 12$ a month, you shouldn't come here.

[@LeandroLoan]

Do you think it could work with electric unycicle riders?

[@sunnyvalejedi]

The comfort of a mother's love will suffice.

[@dandan3045]

That costs extra

[@pedroaugustosantana793]

I never wanted a company to fail this fucking hard tbh

[@pedrocorreamendes5551]

Is it advised for offroad use?

[@zippy441]

It is now... They updated the app late week!

[@AThingThatsWild]

WHY do no one integrate a neck brace. Neck injuries are the worst kind of injury. Its not hard to do and some do it by securing the helmet inplace. I DONT GET IT.

[@rideinthenature]

The best is the Kawasaki Concours 14 shown in the video! TopBike😁

[@Derakkon2]

They can't be serious can they???

[@albertgustafsson2524]

It's a copy of the "Held e vest clip in" right? 😂 What's the difference between them?

[@zippy441]

I think the first company to use the vest was Ixon. But I wouldn't call it a copy more a sharing of tech, the same as car manufacturers do.

[@TakaChan569]

I thought this was just a bad joke someone made up for clickbait...then i saw this kind of reminds me of "You have some nice(insert valuable object here)sure would be a shame if something happened to it" lol. My god this is the best worst thing i have seen today lol.

[@juniorakasuperman]

You can avoid the subscription by inflating the vest with the check leak adapter and ride with the vest inflated that way you are protected no matter what 🤔

[@durian111]

Why not just wear a bubble wrap, it cheap and you can inflate as much as you want.

[@mikeglick3507]

A question, I bought a Klim vest and in the owners manual speaks to track and road racing are not covered under the basic subscription. I would consider myself as an aggressive street rider. The last thing I want is a deployment while riding my Aprilia. Tons of acceleration and negative Gs under braking. Also around 50+ deg of lean angle around turns. What are the limits before deployment? Will it deploy around a fast turn at lets say 120 mph at a 50 deg turn angle?

[@kalel33]

Street riding at 120mph around a curve. God, Darwin's theory was made for you.

[@sprinteryt]

Nice i like that

[@nickschneider9529]

I like it. In a other time company say. He you can pay for it or you can rent it You say pay us 400 and then 400 more or 120 p.a. that you can use it. I like it...i will do this with my customer to! So sorry but the Alpinestars will be my Choice.

[@lenico88]

The Alpinestars costs 800$ for the cheapest one, the cartridge costs double that of Klim and you gotta send it back for refill. In 3 years from now your Alpinestars will edge towards obsolescence, your Klim will still be updated at least in terms of electronics... Then you get to chose between a new vest full of new safety feature that you must now have to save your life or keep going with what you have, if you chose the second option you're safer with klim and cheaper with Alpinestar... It doesn't sound that dishonest a deal to me...

[@ManBikeSwag]

looks like a good unit but WOW what a price gouge. That In&box brain being a separate cost makes it way too expensive for the average Joe. If they made the whole system cheaper they'd sell a lot more (and make as much money) and save thousands of lives!

[@danielb1563]

I am going to buy my Klim airbag vest soon. And on subscription. I understand the pricing and the system I am buying in to. I look forward to using it daily.

[@qubla2]

Wish you Insolvenz soon

[@xaendark]

Well, if you got a bad signal when you crash, then sadly it couldn't verify your license and thus did not open. You're welcome.

[@edbreyer]

Not correct. The vest only needs a wifi connection to update firmware. It does not have a data connection when in use/riding.

[@pedrodiazvargas4100]

creo que podrían mejorar los precios, sin embargo es un gran desarrollo para la seguridad de los usuarios...

[@someguy5035]

"Keep giving us money for this thing you already paid for or it will stop working and you might die in a crash." This is perhaps the most scummy business model of all time. There is absolutely no reason a person needs a subscription to use this. Zero. None.

[@edbreyer]

Clearly it's not for you. But there are some people who would rather pay as they go (e.g. a subscription) than the full $400 activation fee upfront. I hate monthly payments but the "all-in" price (purchase + lifetime activation) is still within the realm of possibilities for me and not far off of competitors' prices.

[@HiImSoji]

@@edbreyer So either you're watching this video religiously or a secondary account for Klim. Why not just use the official account?

[@edbreyer]

@@HiImSoji LOL! You have no clue do you? KZbin sends me an email whenever anyone replies to one of my posts hear or elsewhere - so when that happens I click on the link and see what was said. I simply actually read all the details of the KILM pricing policy - and was frustrated that others apparently did not. READ IT AND YOU WILL SEE THAT THEY DO OFFER A PAID IN FULL OPTION FOR ABOUT $800 - which is about what other vests costs. I just sold my tethered Helite vest and am still planning to buy a non-tethered replacement -which is why I read the details.

[@lync8432]

I'm pretty sure just charging a hefty 1,500 usd would be ethically and socially better than a subscription fee.

[@durian111]

It would be more ethical for housing paid in full than having a loan, or student paid full than taking a loan so no more complaint on student debt. 🤦🏾‍♂️

[@tkimage7016]

digital...........AI............all the buzz words and "subscribe or die"

[@yuriing79]

This airbag will help keep your body intact. while the head and legs will lie in the bushes.

[@gigelfranaru]

So you can afford to sell this piece of crap for 400$ right ? I'm sure you're not losing money on that. So technically, if everybody bought these garbage vests and never activated them, you would still be making money. So then, how do you justify charging the extra 400 to "activate" it, since all the hardware for the vest to work is already bought for with the initial 400$

[@edbreyer]

So you know how much they spent or developing this product and can dictate if they are able to sell it for a profit? Stunning that you don't believe companies have the right to price their own products and let consumers decide if it is worth buying. With your approach nobody would ever bother spending money researching and developing products.

[@Volhaas]

Dont buy this trash

[@carlanwray8718]

Everyone is complaining about the subscription, but you're not thinking about it correctly. Algorithmically driven computer systems have the potential for exponential improvement over time. Especially if the hardware is robust enough. It is very difficult to have zero false triggers and the maximum number of appropriate triggers so as more data is gathered and the algorithms are refined, they can be incrementally updated. If this company is legitimate and dedicated to the long-term improvement of this product, this is the only business model that allows them to continue to improve something rather than just replacing it every few years. They could do either, but from a consumer and environmental perspective this is better in my estimation.

[@ethan2794]

this is truly unbelievable, one of the most scummy monetization schemes to squeeze money out of customers I have ever seen. there should never be a situation where a technology that comes with the product and could be fully functional is turned off for the sake of monetization. unbelievable.

[@m3lanchol1a60]

come on guys, this vest will eventually be stolen and chipped so yall can relax

[@reinaweis]

What a scam.

[@ccctindy]

I think the need to lease so you get updates on tech means its not really ready. Bring it back on the market when its fully developed and not going to ever fail. When i hear it will become outdated, i hear possible failure with current technology. Get it to a no failure state and sell outright in my opinion. Plus, no offense, but ya "cool dude, smooth talker" doing the promo, his tone wreaks of bs salesmanship. Sorry, just saying

[@Owenactor]

You need a new spokesman

[@JtWhissel]

Just a matter of time till they get sued because it did not go off because someone's credit card got declined and they died

[@edbreyer]

Nope. Please read the details. You can do a monthly subscription OR pay $400 up front and NEVER pay anything again. That 1-time option brings the entire vest to about $800 which is what competing air vests sell for.

[@JtWhissel]

@@edbreyer 🤡

[@someguy5035]

@@edbreyer You didn't even read this guy's comment. You are just spamming shill garbage for KLIM. I bet you work there.

[@edbreyer]

@@someguy5035 Nope - don't work for them but read all the fine print about their pricing because I'm considering one. They explicitly state that those on a subscription plan will know via the vest indicators/LEDs that it is ready to work. If their plan has been shut off for non-payment the vest will give an indication of that. It will supposedly NEVER be shut off during a ride. So please refrain from baseless accusations in the future - not a good look.

[@RafikisAnts]

when it comes to life saving things subscriptions should be outright banned imagine your on a sinking ship or crashing plane and your life raft/parachute is on subscription if someone forgets to pay the bill you die not one to complain without offering a possible solution maybe just sell it for $800 human life should not be put before money

[@zippy441]

I have this vest, it's great. Amazing comfortable and the monthly thing is just an option to spread the payment rather that a one off. Only thing for me is the airbag will only deploy in a head on collision and only at certain angles... No highside/lowside protection unless you pay extra for the track pack and no rear end protection if your are hit at a stop light... When I purchased the airbag these where things that were supposed to added in time and as far as I can tell still have not, which is a little disappointing. Considering the Alpinestars for this reason alone...

[@ayeyodevo]

This needs too die down as quick as battlefield 2042….. nobody should pay a subscription for something like this. The idea is AMAZING don’t get me wrong. People are tired of subscriptions your team should of known that.

[@dm2060]

Hold up, scammers and thieves have youtube channels now?

[@shakdidagalimal]

Klim .... they spelled it wrong, they meant Kill Em

[@superjesus4307]

Would be good without the stupid subscription model.

[@coreywindom7674]

I would be incredibly happy if this company went out of business.

[@Jh-mp2rd]

What a horrible company. They don't care about you at all. Just your monthly payment. That is some bad karma right there.

[@dandan3045]

What a scam. Buying a product then locking the what you bought in a subscription. This is why jailbreaking exists when companies aren’t content on simple making money, they want all the money. This is what’s going to happen. Another company will use a similar idea, slightly uncut the comped to make it attractive and won’t charge for damn subscription for a product you already bought. This idea is pure greed.

[@SledTillDead]

Disgusting predatory practices literally risking human lives. I hope KLIM goes bankrupt

[@juniorakasuperman]

Dainese smart jacket air bag is way better

[@closer02001]

Amazing how many comments from folks shitting on the subscription service concept. Why not be sure you fully understand something before commenting and demonstrating that you don't. Options are a subscription based service or you can buy it outright. SMH.