Introducing The Phoenix Cycle at Lake Kukarahalli in Mysore, India

[@nondajeevi5036]

So you're saying new cultures and civilizations emerge periodically and although may peak and become great, they all ultimately decay and fall. Nothing surprising in that... Human beings (just like animals) want to protect themselves against nature, they want some sort of stability in their lives, hence they organize themselves and settle down. From this organization, society and then culture emerges. Why civilizations fall? Could be due to internal or external causes. Internal causes - confoundingly, human beings are prone to laziness, selfishness, taking everything easy, hence societies gradually degrade. Also, due to egos, internal squabbles, resistance to change & unwillingness to adapt even in face enemy threats, the same civilizations fall. External causes - floods, river drying up or disease (eg., Harappa). I can understand all this. But you're also saying (claiming!) some sort of cataclysm happens regularly and strictly in accordance with a cyclic time scale (once in 138 years?). Almost like a intentional reset thrust upon a thriving civilization. This is difficult to digest.... I mean, why the periodicity? Seems like you are suggesting a (divine?) force that is responsible for this. Not the type of natural internal or external causes I mentioned before. Can you explain?

[@yours2source]

Hey, thank you so much for this intelligent and sincere comment. These are the kind of people I intend to attract to my channel. I will gladly try to explain shortly here, but I might use your question in a future video to cover it more extensively. For the people who are paying attention to what I'm saying, like you, should indeed notice conflicts with everything they have been trained to accept through our modern education system. We're made to believe in a uniformitarian worldview, meaning that we believe everything to grow/progress linearly over millions of years of evolution. The basis of the premise I'm presenting here is a creationist worldview, in which this world we're living in is created and we are here experiencing it from the inside. Like an avatar in a videogame. And just like a videogame, this "simulated reality" has fixed protocols it follows and can be discovered by the intelligent observer. I personally believe we're stuck in some kind of infinite looping construct of life and death, and that moksha means to escape this construct. If you want to learn more about this theory of being stuck in a simulated reality, I advise you to check out the Archaix YT channel I've linked in the description box.

[@nondajeevi5036]

@@yours2source Thanks, you're welcome. I've heard of the "simulation universe" theory before. It indeed sounds interesting. It may even be able to explain some of the quirky realities of our universe like the speed of light can never be exceeded, how does consciousness arise, etc. which scientists observe but cannot explain, and thereafter just ask everyone to accept as "fundamental realities" of the universe. Maybe the quirks exist because our universe has been simulated that way? But.... do you have any evidence or are you trying to gather evidences from everyday life to support the simulation theory? In Hinduism, concepts like 'maya', 'karma', 'atman', 'brahman', 'moksha', 'pralaya' have always been central, so you might find some support for simulation theory. Regarding Creationism (non-Darwinism), it has lost general appeal I think, so it might be minority view. I checked the Archaix YT channel link but that video is too detailed and boring. I liked your explanation better. It was short & engaging with nice background scenery and you drew parallels from all religions.

[@yours2source]

@@nondajeevi5036 Haha it's nice to hear that I can help out in making these concepts more engaging. There's still a lot more like that coming in future videos. Creationism is indeed heavily in the minority, but it's the only way I found that makes it possible to fit all these Hindu concepts in. Interesting practical examples, not necessary evidence cause you can always find different explanations, are found in the "Mandela effect". Did you ever hear about that? I personally regard those things as "glitches" of our simulated nature. Furthermore, it's indeed all these mathematical constants like pi and phi that can be found in everything that to me are further clues that all of this is by design.

[@lakshmikrishna5660]

Thank you that you have understood true meaning of sanatan dharma it is spirituality and connection with nature

[@AmeobaGreatking]

Hii fellow humans🖐 This is ameoba👾, from great ameoba kingdom, living here for million years, probably knows some great mind boggling secrets👀

[@lakshmikrishna5660]

It is also said in rigveda that hiranyagarbha that is golden egg is source of creation of universe which closely resembles big bang like explosin

[@AFruit_loop]

There's are so many surveys, been happening now, which clearly dismantle that colonial theory, Archaeological findings in Uttar Pradesh, including timelines: *Sanauli Excavations (circa 2000 BCE)* - Discovery of a well-preserved chariot, dated to around 2000 BCE, contradicting the Aryan migration Theory's claim that those people introduced the chariot to India. - Horse remains found, pushing back the known presence of horses in India by several centuries. - Estimated age: approximately 4,000 years old. *Bharadwaja Ashram Excavations (circa 1800 BCE)* - Uncovered a large number of utensils, pottery, and ceramics, indicating a well-established settlement. - Evidence of a sophisticated civilization, challenging the migration narrative of a primitive, nomadic culture. - Estimated age: approximately 3,800 years old. *Lalitpur Excavations (circa 1500 BCE)* - Revealed evidence of a well-established settlement, with findings including: - Pottery and ceramics - Utensils and tools - Evidence of trade networks - Estimated age: approximately 3,500 years old. *Timeline:* - 2000 BCE: Chariot and horse remains found at Sanauli - 1800 BCE: Utensils and pottery found at Bharadwaja Ashram - 1500 BCE: Evidence of settlement and trade networks found at Lalitpur These discoveries have significant implications for the Aryan migration Theory, as they: - Push back the timeline of horse presence and chariot use in India - Show cultural continuity with the Indus Valley Civilization, proving that indegenous people lived in India. - Contradict the Aryan migration narrative and replacement of indigenous cultures . These findings, along with others, have contributed to the growing body of evidence challenging the Aryan migration Theory.

[@yours2source]

Thanks again, I don't contest these things at all. I also mention these same civilisational advancements in my video. But what I'm proposing is that cataclysmic resets, like ths flooding of Harrapa has thrown civilisations back in their development. And that these kinds of cataclysms force groups to migrate and mix with each other.

[@AFruit_loop]

Surveys in Uttar Pradesh - Harappan Flood Myth: The Harappan civilization's decline has long been attributed to natural disasters, such as floods, especially in the lower Indus basin. However, surveys and excavations in places like Bhirrana and Sanauli in Uttar Pradesh offer a different perspective. Sites in Uttar Pradesh show continuous habitation well beyond the supposed collapse period of the Harappan civilization (around 1900 BCE). Additionally, they suggest that the Harappans adapted to changing environmental conditions, moving eastwards from the Indus Valley to areas along the Ganges-Yamuna plain, rather than being wiped out by catastrophic floods. Artifacts found in these sites, like chariots and burial practices, also indicate the persistence of Harappan cultural traits .This challenges the idea that the Harappans were displaced or destroyed by natural calamities. Combining the Surveys: When the Rakhigarhi DNA study is paired with the surveys in Uttar Pradesh, a more coherent narrative emerges: the Harappan civilization was not annihilated by natural disasters nor by an migration of Aryans from outside india. Instead, the Indus valley civilisation people were indigenous to the region, and their culture gradually transformed and interacted with other evolving groups in the subcontinent. This revised understanding portrays the ancient history of India as more of a cultural continuum rather than being punctuated by large-scale invasions or natural catastrophes. By examining both the genetic and archaeological evidence from these surveys, we see a dismantling of the Aryan migration theory from outside india and the myth of the Harappan collapse due to floods. The ancient civilizations of the Indian subcontinent were more interconnected and resilient .

[@yours2source]

Hi brother, I do agree mostly to everything you're saying and I appreciate you sharing your knowledge here. I recently listened to this podcast, and I fully subscribe to everything this archeologist is saying: kzbin.info/www/bejne/n6mZZIKhodaAjNkfeature=shared The main thing I'm trying to explain here is the cyclical nature of civilisations with periodic cataclysms resulting in constant migrations over the planet, and trying to fit in what I'm learning during my visit to your beautiful country.

[@AFruit_loop]

The excavation at Ratnagiri unearthed a 4,000-year-old female skeleton, which has significant implications for the Aryan migration to India: 1. _Indigenous presence_: The discovery suggests that the region was inhabited by indigenous people, contradicting the claim of a mass migration of outsider's. 2. _Continuity of culture_: The artifacts found with the skeleton show cultural continuity with the Indus Valley Civilization, challenging the idea of a sudden Aryan migration. 3. _No evidence of invasion_: The excavation found no evidence of violence, massacre, or invasion, which is inconsistent with the Aryan theory. 4. _Ancient Indian DNA_: The skeletal remains can provide valuable insights into ancient Indian DNA, which may further contradict the Aryan theory claims of a large-scale migration. This discovery, along with other recent findings, contributes to the growing body of evidence challenging the Aryan Theory. It supports the "Out of India" or "Indigenous Aryan" theory, which suggests that the Vedic culture developed within the Indian subcontinent. The Ratnagiri discovery is a significant addition to the ongoing debate, providing further evidence for the cultural heritage.

[@yours2source]

Thank I didn't know about this discovery before. In general I also think that it wasn't any kind of sudden invasion and that much of the historical facts were twisted for propaganda means. But the sources I use described as more of a slow migration, slowly melting civilisations together. With there indeed being a very long history of an advanced indigenous people, as I mention in the video.

[@AFruit_loop]

No worries,its my dharma to provide true seeking, since India is a land of "TRUE SPIRITUAL SEEKING " For thousand of years,here are some notable historians and scholars who have challenged the Aryan migration Theory: *Germany:* 1. *Herbert Sullivan* (1910-1996): A German historian who argued that the Aryan Theory was a myth created by colonial-era scholars. 2. *Wolfgang Schuler* (1935-present): A German Indologist who challenged the Aryan theory, suggesting that the Vedic culture developed within India. *USA:* 1. *David Frawley* (1950-present): An American author and scholar who has written extensively on the myth of the Aryan Theory even Aryan migration. 2. *Nicholas Kazanas* (1939-present): A Greek-American scholar who has argued that the Aryan migration is a flawed theory with no archaeological or textual evidence. *India:* 1. *K.D. Sethna* (1904-2011): An Indian historian and scholar who challenged the Aryan migration, suggesting that the Vedic culture was indigenous to India. *Other notable scholars:* 1. *Giovanni Filoramo* (1945-present): An Italian historian of religions who has challenged the Aryan migration. 2. *Shrikant Talageri* (1958-present): An Indian scholar who has argued that the Aryan migration is a flawed theory. 3. *B.B. Lal* (1921-present): An Indian archaeologist who has challenged the Aryan migration suggesting that the Vedic culture developed within India. These scholars, among others, have contributed to the ongoing debate and challenge to the Aryan Invasion Theory. My great respect for the truth seekers, who have challenged what is propaganda of division.

[@AFruit_loop]

In video you literally told, how indegenous were people push back,that is incorrect, and so wrong to say. I have simply provide data, which completely dismantle that belief, it is colonial myth, and we don't buy that. Nothing forceful, no MIGRATION even found in those surveys, which shows indegenous people living here for centuries. Again enough to dismantle that myth.

[@AFruit_loop]

No slow migration happens, or any melting of two civilisation, nothing happened. It's colonial myth, taught to all of you from 1900 It's time to upgrade 👍 And don't worry we indians just not only provide theory and write books, we also gave evidence. That i have put ,and I hope it is enough for dismantling that colonial myth. Bharatians are indegenous people from centuries.

[@dubs20000]

I am sure you have read about sites like the attributable age of Kailash, Dhola Vira, Mohenjo Dari, Harappa and Mangar Bani etc..on the other hand, the signs of Vedic civilisation in Gobekli Tepe in Turkey around 11,000 years old. Yes of course , Vedas as you must be aware is numerically explicit about mahayugas and yugas, manvantaras and kalpas. Far more profound than what other religious texts mention. Worth doing these cross references

[@lakshmikrishna5660]

At last it is fascinating that in rig veda we also question about creation we don't say god created it universe came from darkness and hiranyagarbha

[@believ100]

The Vedic civilization is more then 5000 years old. So I think you are a few thousand years off!!!

[@yours2source]

I base all of the information I'm presenting on the information that is found in old books by writers that I've trust to have done there homework. And which I trust due to the extensive bibliography they provide.

[@lakshmikrishna5660]

Dravidian civilisation never destroyed it is still present .dravidian civilisation is from south .tamil is completely different from Sanskrit .you are talking about harappan civilization which is different it is destroyed by flood but some people from harappa migrated and mixed with south that starts the exchange of ideas and mixture of ideas . Our civilization is older than harappan .

[@lakshmikrishna5660]

Harappan civilisaton which includes gujarat India,punjab in india and pakistan and northern himalayas is oldest and is 6000 bc .dravidian thought to be migrated from africa to south india which totally has different languages and scripts

[@lakshmikrishna5660]

Brother we don't have any relation with bible we don't believe in abraham ,we don't believe in eve , you know one intresting fact in vedas we also don't know or we don't believe that god created universe ,it is said that there was darkness at first. Desire descended on darkness this was primal seed of mind. Hym also says gods came afterwards with creation of universe.

[@lakshmikrishna5660]

But i am happy that only in india we still have our sanatan dharma in other areas all the ancient civilizations were forcibly wiped by biblical or islamic invasions it is still shame that they still regard themselves as great and they never teach harmony

[@lakshmikrishna5660]

Brother dravidian culture is from south india and not pakistan . Harappan culture is from north or pakistan don't say wrong we still have difference

[@SvacchandaBhairava]

In Bharat , we still speak languages older than all Europeans languages combined and multiplied at least 5 times, I don’t want to presume, but typically like every European, I don’t think you speak Samskrtam, Tamil, Telugu , Malayalam, Kannada or any of these, nor you could you use observation of what India have become after almost 1000 years of invasion and last 75 years of neo-colonialism…. But you say , you trust old book….. come on human, how much information your vulgate Latin languages can even hold . Samskrtam has well established etymology, complete neuro-linguistic grammar and entire data base of all perspectives needed for enquiry. Please put some effort, learn at least one classical language of Bharat and make your opinions, then maybe we people from Bharat who are seeker’s may take you serious.

[@yours2source]

I'm aware of the old age of these languages and there relation to Sumerian language. I'm just as much referring to these kinds of old texts and scriptures, but then studied by researchers that share their findings.

[@AFruit_loop]

There is no direct evidence of a linguistic relationship between Sumerian and the languages of the Indo region.Sumerian is a language isolate, meaning it has no known relatives or connections to other language families. By relating Sumerian with indo language you are trying to implicate that, Sumerian civilisation in ancient mesopotemia has influenced indus valley. But let me try to clarify some findings recently: Indus Valley Civilization: The Indus Valley Civilization,also known as the Harappan Civilization, traditionally dates from around 3300 BCE to 1300 BCE. However, recent archaeological work suggests that the roots of this civilization might be much older than previously thought. Excavations at Bhirrana in Haryana, India, have uncovered evidence of early farming settlements dating back to 7570 BCE, significantly pushing back the timeline of settled life in the region. Similarly, the site of Mehrgarh in present-day Pakistan, which dates back to around 7000 BCE, indicates early farming communities that could be precursors to the Indus Valley Civilization. While Mesopotamia is traditionally regarded as the birthplace of civilization, especially in terms of urbanization, writing, and complex state structures, recent archaeological findings suggest that the Indus Valley Civilization may have older roots in terms of early settlement and farming, with sites like Bhirrana dating back to 7570 BCE. The Indus Valley could very well represent an older, and still largely unexplored, cradle of civilization. On the other hand, the civilizations of Mesopotamia and Egypt have almost run out of sites, since most have been excavated. The oldest site of Mesopotamia is Jaimo (7090 BC) and that of Egypt a comparatively young Naqada (4400 BC), meanwhile sites in bhirrana(india) dates back to 7570 BCE.

[@SvacchandaBhairava]

@@yours2source In scientific enquiry or in traditional Shashtrik enquiry in Bharat, we all practice something called relying of Primary source’s. That’s the actual spirit of scientific temperament. But the thing is, one need to put effort to learn actual ancient language’s and myriads of primary sources before making one’s discoveries public. Otherwise it’s just another opinion in the ocean of modern data dumbed opinionated individualistic view points.

[@AFruit_loop]

​​@@yours2source How could you even say that If the Indus Valley Civilization (IVC) had originated from or had strong links to the Sumerians, it would raise questions about why the IVC script has not been deciphered while Sumerian has. Here are some possible reasons: Distinct Languages: Even if there were cultural or trade connections, the IVC might have spoken a different language that did not evolve from or relate to Sumerian, making their script unrelated and harder to decode. No Bilingual Text: Unlike Sumerian, where bilingual texts like the Rosetta Stone helped in deciphering, no such dual-language texts have been found for the IVC, leaving their script isolated.While there are theories suggesting cultural or trade links between the Indus Valley Civilization (IVC) and Sumerian civilizations, there is no solid evidence that the IVC script directly originated from or is related to the Sumerian language.

[@Visty7]

No im sorry but what you are saying here is not true Our archeologist have find so many evidence recently, that clearly negates this theory that aryans came from outdside and start living with dravidian, i mean india from top to bottom is so complex and different, that's our beauty, That's not true, i mean humanity started from africa, we all knew that African continent split thus making himalayas that we knew today. R1a1* haplogroup, which is found throughout Eurasia, originated in India. The R1a haplogroup originated in India. The Indo-Aryan people have lived in India for at least 15,450 years, which invalidates the theory that the Indo-Aryans invaded India 3,500 years ago. The hundreds of millions of members (possibly over a billion) of the R1a family living across the world today - a very large fraction of humanity - are all descended from one single male ancestor who lived in India at least 15,450 years ago.

[@Visty7]

Yes but there is a brutal conquest by yamana tribe in Europe, Starting 5000 years ago, the Yamnaya embarked on a violent conquest of Europe. Between 5000 and 4000 years ago, the Yamnaya and their descendants colonised swathes of Europe, leaving a genetic legacy that persists to this day.

[@Visty7]

If anybody wants to know just search Aryan Invasion Myth: How 21st Century Science Debunks 19th Century Indology by Abhijit chavda on INDIAFACTS can find a page where he give interesting facts about this, I can't able to put the link here

[@yours2source]

Thanks for your valuable input. I base all of the information I'm presenting on the information that is found in old books by writers that I've trust to have done there homework. And which I trust due to the extensive bibliography they provide. I wasn't a aware of these archeologic finds, but I personally don't subscribe any longer to the uniformitarian perspective that proposed such long timelines of evolution. If you follow the books and research preformed by Jason from Archaix, a creationist perspective based on cycles of cataclysm seems much more likely. And the the timelines I propose in the video all fit nicely with his research.

[@SvacchandaBhairava]

@@yours2source In Bharat , we still speak languages older than all Europeans languages combined and multiplied at least 5 times, I don’t want to presume, but typically like every European, I don’t think you speak Samskrtam, Tamil, Telugu , Malayalam, Kannada or any of these, nor you could you use observation of what India have become after almost 1000 years of invasion and last 75 years of neo-colonialism…. But you say , you trust old book….. come on human, how much information your vulgate Latin languages can even hold . Samskrtam has well established etymology, complete neuro-linguistic grammar and entire data base of all perspectives needed for enquiry. Please put some effort, learn at least one classical language of Bharat and make your opinions, then maybe we people from Bharat who are seeker’s may take you serious.

[@SvacchandaBhairava]

Just because you have mouth, a convenient passport, better currency exchange value and better access all that is written by Europeans without any respect towards others , doesn’t make your serious sounding mystical exposition, serious…. If you do respect other much more ancient traditions, as you’re pretending, don’t be like 99% of presumptuous , self centered Europeans, who’ve already confused humanity more than enough. Put some effort , learn some classical languages from here, then voice yourself!