Introducing the SUBWAY in my City: Cities Skylines II

[@r00kie36]

In munich the main station serves as the hub for long distance trains and commuter trains, the bus station is separate from it but connected by train, and the subway has 3 separate, decentralized hubs to prevent any station from getting overcrowded. So its absolutely normal for the subway to either dont have any single main hub or to have that hub separate from other traffic knots

[@kingnikioflolland5476]

Same in Copenhagen. The metro has 2 “hubs” and neither of Them are the central stration

[@SanctumGamer]

Thanks for this info! This makes me feel a lot better 😊

[@stummelschwanzzwergtyrann]

In Frankfurt it's the same thing. We have several subway hubs where lines meet and changes to, local trains, bus, or tram are possible.

[@brandongregory9542]

Love the subway, the network is a bit of a mess, branch lines usually meet up into a trunk line, also downtown should be a hub since that’s where most people will be traveling. Ring lines should come later on to eliminate the need to go downtown to transfer. Love the series!!! 😊

[@SanctumGamer]

Thanks for the tips and suggestion!

[@velhom1277]

I think you can run a tram lane from a subway station to the research institute, with the rail on ground or even elevated, in this way you can control the slope! It would be really cool to have something like that for the working researchers

[@SanctumGamer]

The elevation rise to the institute is quite a lot. But thanks for the tip, will explore the feasibility of it to see how it could be done realistically.

[@afunamark5267]

30:58 you should untick the boxes under map legend on top left. Untick all unwanted routes. 2. The subway train take time to gain speed, many stops that are near each other dont allow them to reach full speed

[@SanctumGamer]

Ohhh, yeah, thanks for that!

[@stummelschwanzzwergtyrann]

The speed thing is correct. But still there are many real life examples for very short distances between subway stops. In Frankfurt (germany) where I live we have stops that are not more than 5 walking minutes away from each other.

[@michaelrosenbaum3985]

Just found this channel and I’m loving it! Just a thought on above-ground subways. There are generally two reasons why subways go above ground. First, because they are built in very low density areas where there is an anticipation for demand, but land prices are relatively cheap. So, less developed suburbs. Second, in places where the land slopes down to the elevation of the underground tracks, meaning that they have to go above ground to have a gentile slope. Just that, if your worried about bulldozing a main street like at 26:19 , then you can easily justify putting the trains underground. Make a new neighborhood with a subway as the centerpiece if youd like.

[@SanctumGamer]

Thanks for the insights, much appreciated!

[@bklynrich3304]

you should add another subway depot on the island next to Emerson. That way you have more trains that start service from each side of the city

[@SanctumGamer]

Noted. Thanks for the suggestion!

[@nvshhk]

Subway in my city (Buenos Aires) consists of several lines that run spreading out from the city center in different directions below the main avenues. None of them is a loop and they serve different areas. Some lines intersect perpendicularly, and only some of the stations offer transfer to train network, whichs means they don't always share the same route with trains. I think, given the shape of Scattered Island, that a loop line around downtown and lines spreading out of it to the different surrounding districts would be more efficient.

[@wtfrudointhere]

that's what i thought, i wrote a comment about this minutes ago lol

[@SanctumGamer]

Thank you for the feedback, I appreciate it!

[@r00kie36]

for the harbor changes: those extra-long piers are mostly there to calm the water inside. But since you built it in a natural harbor, its really not needed

[@SanctumGamer]

Good point, didn't even think of that. Thanks!

[@harveybrown7792]

Considerations... trains can be 200m+ long. It is helpful to have bypass points, holding points etc between stations, as well as all the signalling, therefore you probably don't want your stations to be closer than 500m apart, but beyond that and given that we don't have real world signalling capacity limitations, your distance is demand driven - and it will generate its own demand. Build as many stops as your economy can sustain.

[@SanctumGamer]

Thanks for these insights. Much appreciated!

[@jofresivilla4466]

In the real cities, the distance of stations in the center and all dense zones in the city are about 700-800 meters (500m If you have many other lines with which you can transfer). But in less dense zones or suburbs, the distance between them is about 1,5 km. But we also try to ensure that the lines have many stations so that the maximum number of people are covered and they are used as much as possible, which is why we try to extend them as much as possible. A line, from 10 stops is correct, if you can have 15 better, 20 better,... Therefore, my recommendation is to add stops between the actual stops (cause are sections that have been very long without any stops, spetialy in downtown). I have to tell you that I really like the initial metro network, it's very clean, smooth curves, well balanced... I like it, I really like it.

[@SanctumGamer]

Thank you so much for the insights and feedback. Appreciated!

[@imnobosh]

Subway lines should branch out in multiple direction from your CBD/ Downtown area…rarely do they loop instead just goes out one direction and comes back on the same route…also the subway at every train station is a bit redundant. Your subway should compliment your train service and only be serving areas that the train does not cover. Great video as always BTW

[@SanctumGamer]

Thanks so much for the insights! Appreciated.

[@wtfrudointhere]

I think having a subway system in a city that has a lots of islands is impractical and inefficient. I'd rather increase the number of buses that can transport people across different areas. But if you prefer the subway, that’s fine too. Just keep in mind that the stations will be far apart and the subway lines shouldn't branch out. They should be drawn in a single line that encircles the ‘Scattered’ map of the city. I suggest you build the stations on the vacant land that has not been developed yet. Downtown area needs to have one station only, pls listen to me that stations must be far apart to be optimal, 'bcs that's what was built in my country. That way, you can easily create new settlements in the future without destroying the existing ones. Btw, nice video :))

[@Eugene-bu1pu]

Yeaa the stations are too close

[@harveybrown7792]

Tell that to MTA in NYC....

[@SanctumGamer]

I appreciate the feedback, thanks! Station distances were a concern for me and it was something I was really unsure about.

[@marcospires4921]

Hey mate, your city is very nice. There is no much sense in running a subway line parallel to a train line. The subway is an opportunity to take train lines to place where there isn't any mass transport. You must eventually connect to a few train stations to expand the system. This way you will have an expanded network of trains mixing subway and above ground train lines.

[@SanctumGamer]

Thanks for the tips and insights!

[@IntrovertidoTieneFlow]

Why do I giggle like a school girl whenever sanctum drops a CSII video?

[@cam4007]

Vas Deferens is hilarious. Whoever suggested it is an anatomical genius.

[@SanctumGamer]

That was my exact reaction when I saw it!! Also, "anatomical genius"...brilliant comment!! 😄

[@damnimloomin]

The hillside institute station could be overground and you could do an elevated track to there, maybe you could pre plan in the subway before the zoning so you can have an overground section.

[@SanctumGamer]

Yup, definitely something to keep in mind for the future!

[@tommylindberg4195]

I was so sure that the game mechanics is that high rent complains appear when the land value is "too high" referred to the type of home? That you have to have some landside villages with lesser coverage of city services, in which rent/loans will be lower and therewise will be more affordable for low income citizens...? ..just as in our reality?

[@SanctumGamer]

You probably right. To be honest, I don't know all the factors that influence such things, and the dev diaries are just too daunting for me to read in an effort to figure it out. So anytime I get ideas, such as this, I'll try them until something works 😅

[@EugeneMaraisSwart-jp6qp]

Your research centre on top of the hill reminds me of the Unisa HQ in Pretoria. Looks pretty cool 🙌🏻

[@SanctumGamer]

You are so right!! I just drove past it today and thought exactly that 😄 That Unisa building is beautiful!

[@lenin2457]

you should unlock more govt buildings. it helps with the well being as well

[@SanctumGamer]

Noted

[@dennismader4609]

An overland subway from the subway yard could be a good way to connect that big university area

[@simonsv9449]

One of the metro lines should have a stop in Sheffield Glade.

[@ShaunWilliams]

The transport window that shows up on left when you try to put routes in, has ticks at the bottom to turn off the bus and train and other public tansport.

[@SanctumGamer]

Thanks!

[@ayandas874]

CS1 subway is so much better than CS2. Also, I think subways should not be looping and instead should be going straight.

[@vince_3055]

Agree!!! they should be in one line only, and the stations shouldnt be too close to each other😢

[@SanctumGamer]

Thanks for the points!

[@Noka227]

Gautrain can be considered a subway. The difference is it operates both underground and above ground. Technically a subway is supposed to operate underground but Gautrain can do both.

[@SanctumGamer]

Fair. I guess any form of underground train would be considered a subway 🤔

[@jaskaransingh-rq6rt]

‼️‼️ The Harbor comes with a cargo train station. So the cargo train terminal that u put near the harbor, is less efficient and will cause traffic. Plus jts costly

[@SanctumGamer]

I spoke about this in the previous video.

[@malius1841]

I think we should see amount of people using each station or types of vehicles then optimize it and plan again

[@SanctumGamer]

Love it! Couldn't agree more!

[@vvolters.1]

31:59 uncheck the boxes in the map legend to reduce clutter

[@sagnikgangopadhyay4687]

Subway stations are generally on an average 2 kms apart in New Delhi. It has the largest metro system in India, and is really busy.

[@SanctumGamer]

Thanks for sharing. Appreciated

[@zekcar]

Dude, I really love everything you do in this game and I wait for your videos every 3-4 days like a real TV show but this episode drove me crazy 😪 you struggled a lot with the subway road network and the damn height matching issues but that was only because you turned off the geometry snapping guide!!! Please... And lastly, 2 episodes ago I asked you to show me your graphics setting because it's awesome, ok I understand you might forget but I'm still waiting 😊 love you

[@SanctumGamer]

Hahaha, yeah, I forgot about the graphics settings in the last video. I'll show that in the upcoming video, I promise...unless I forget again 😂😂

[@zekcar]

@@SanctumGamer haha thanks mate, really appriciated 🙏

[@goody82az]

Your city looks really awesome.

[@urban_toad]

One thing I find frustrating about CS2 is the lack of elevated subway stations. It's so difficult to build an elevated metro when you have to go from elevated track to ground level at each station.

[@SanctumGamer]

You are right. I think that's stuff that'll be introduced later? 🤷‍♂️

[@Alakkalathil]

In transportation view, you can uncheck the boxes in the "map legend" section to view only the subway lines

[@SanctumGamer]

Thank you!

[@goldenrambeler]

is there any particular reason you don't use high-density commercial? I think it would look pretty good with NA mixed residential

[@SanctumGamer]

It's because I'm not a fan of how they look really. But I've been saying I'll give them a try at some point.

[@theorixlux]

Dont forget you can connect underground subway stations with underground pedestrian paths

[@SanctumGamer]

Ooooh! This I did not know. Will check it out. Thanks for the tip.

[@flippha]

I think the lines parallel to the train lines are not really needed. Rather try to make new connections, so the subway crosses the railway.

[@SanctumGamer]

I think you are right. Definitely want to revisit the subway layout in future.

[@xavestudio4623]

the high rent housing is okay, you cant make that disappear. they will abandoned it and another family with more money will move in to that abandoned house.

[@SanctumGamer]

Good point

[@xavestudio4623]

@@SanctumGamer hope they will make mod to hide those annoying notifications pop up in the future!

[@louiscarpon3412]

I would love to see more high density buildings but the design is great.

[@cjgslayyyy]

you can run train and underground lines on top of roads, like NYC

[@SanctumGamer]

So I had no idea train tracks and metro tracks could be run on top of roads. You the second person to make mention of this so will definitely look into it.

[@TheOfficialKNGaming]

Loving this series

[@Gbreezy305]

I feel like the subway stations are really far apart. They could be closer together even for cities skylines standard. The trains are usually for long distance

[@SanctumGamer]

I agree about the trains, but the subway trains are very long, evident by the size of the stations as well. If the stations are close, then in theory, the trains will never ramp up to high speed either right? Making them inefficient?

[@jezzlaureano1956]

The background music is really relaxing. This is the ingame music right?

[@SanctumGamer]

Yup, in game music.

[@desto13c]

Learn to turn off all snapping, turn on one by one to see what they do. Some times you need to turn off and on just to get the perfect snap.

[@SanctumGamer]

Noted.

[@TeeFunkable]

I really enjoy your channel, but I must admit, a lot of the subway does not make a whole lot of sense as duplicate your train connection in many parts. You certainly want a central hub for transfer between trains and subway, but no city would spend the resources to build a more expensive duplicate underground train to follow one running above it! The whole thing of underground rail is the ability to bring true mass transit to places where the surface is built full of expensive buildings. And then pop above ground in suburbs with lesser land value - if not already serviced by a train. So the city center lines make sense, the ones following the train do not.

[@SanctumGamer]

I had no idea what I was doing then. I've learnt a lot since thanks to people like you sharing advice 👍

[@ShawnRKA]

Looks great!

[@Zanduby]

Oh man, I hope I'm not wrong! Please call me out if the welfare offices don't work!

[@SanctumGamer]

Hahaha. If it doesn't work, it doesn't work. Truth is, I don't know so I'm willing to try different tips 😊

[@dlg1812]

The arm in the harbor it's to protect the boat from the harbor uselely there big arm who protect from the current and smaller one for individuals boat.

[@SanctumGamer]

Thanks for the info!

[@brandonoldenburg]

You turned off "snap to existing geometry" at one point and that's why you weren't able to snap to the subway tracks while you were building them, FYI

[@SanctumGamer]

Thanks for spotting that! I completely forgot I had done that 😅

[@brandonoldenburg]

no worries I do it all the time! I appreciate your videos, thanks for posting!

[@Sean-ps3ec]

Love your series. But those subway lines are WAY to sharp where they meet

[@SanctumGamer]

Oh really? Here I was thinking I've curved them in at an enough of an angle 😅

[@kevalgambhava]

run subway on the road

[@SanctumGamer]

You can do that??

[@kevalgambhava]

@@SanctumGamer I don't know try it, I was asking

[@seathomplay4167]

South Africa? I thought you were French! Well, I guess other nationalities can have that French flair you possess.

[@SanctumGamer]

Hahaha, I have a French flair? That's the first time I've heard that 😅

[@jumpywizard7665]

There is no subway in Johannesburg?

[@SanctumGamer]

Nope. We have a "high end" train system that goes underground for a bit, and I think it has only two underground stops, but that's it. It's not an official subway system.

[@sergioviana2946]

Why don't you connect Emerson Terrace directly with Manor Peak. Currently you would go through a long way

[@SanctumGamer]

Probably will soon. The transport network isn't done and also, I try and keep videos from being too long.

[@Alhaithamaa-mi1hc]

So the next video is airport?

[@SanctumGamer]

Oh no, not quite yet 😅

[@tombkingsethbattlechannel9419]

I wonder if the the wellfare office made it into the US version of the game or if it got rigged because of communism^^

[@coolfrip]

Engagement

[@Marcus---]

[@SanctumGamer]

OK, I have to ask 'cause I've been seeing this comment on many videos now. Are these emojis good or bad? 😅

[@alexisvuong4967]

tbh your subway network doesnt make any sense... you should rework the routes

[@kendrickprejean5922]

Complaints of high rent… 🤔hmm let’s delete there jobs at the office park and give them a welfare office 😂 you should work on unemployment

[@SanctumGamer]

Had to find somewhere to put it 😂😂 Anyway, I'm always working on unemployment and will probably squeeze in more offices in the area.

[@perrylim9728]

What a poor design of a subway. You should separate lines by grade and also, ensure connection tracks in order for all trains to be able to get to their depots

[@muhammad-marco]

tbh, you sound tired in this video...

[@SanctumGamer]

tbh, I was exhausted when I recorded this...the night before release!