INTRODUCTION TO THE PUNCHING (SAND) BAG

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[@philmoufarrege]

When you are striking a lot of the energy is going back into you.this is rebound. rebound is caused by tension in the muscles. to eliminate tension you need to practice the sil lim tao form correctly (most don't). extending your arms until they are straight will bring the shoulders into contraction pulling your arms out of the centreline, this will make it harder to hit without rebound. the sil lum tao form teaches you not to extend too far because you can feel when the shoulders "switch on"

[@SifuWayne]

Hi, You're right about that being a potential mistake when fighting. In this beginner's drill, we allow new students to drag their fist down the bag so they get the feeling of lowering the front hand. I've found this works nicely to prevent them from punching forward in an arc (since the straight line is now clear). So while it does have some incorrectness it brings some value to some students so I thought I would share it as one of our many teaching methods.

[@SifuWayne]

We put aquarium stone in the bags. It's already nicely rounded so we dont get those jaggy stone edges.

[@SifuWayne]

What you say seems like it could work; I'm going to try it out. I've taught many students and I believe that no one way works for everybody so I try in my videos to explain it in a way that appeals to many - even though it may have some technical gaps for more senior people to discuss. Another gotcha for me is that in a video there is only enough time to partially explain one way so I have to decide which it will be. I have about 15 ways to teach punching to beginners (now). Thanks! :)

[@aninverse]

Thank you for this video Sifu Wayne. Your books are the most extensive instructions on Ving Tsun.

[@MartialArtistGuy1981]

Wonderful segment! Anyone should know these things if they are passionate about wing chun. My own sifu taught me to use the wall target and sandbags but also when we would not have anything else he would use old phone books to condition the hands. Old phone books make wonderful targets for this as do old newspapers.conditioning definitely works. Thank you for the wonderful ideas!

[@Purewater777]

@wbelonoha In practice, the difference is, the fist that hits, should not go down then back, but almost diagonally back and tucking under. Hope I've clarified.

[@Purewater777]

@wbelonoha Yes. Point 2: In the video you hit the bag&then your fist goes down to make room for the next punch.This is -I consider - wrong,or at least not the best regarding chain punches;the fist that hits should slide back,*slightly*down diagonally&under,*almost*keeping contact with the newcoming wrist&forearm.The fist hits it pullsback,not drags down, ittucks under the other fist that'salready on its way. It's as if, when the fist pulls back, the 2nd is pushed sligthly dows to make entry.

[@bredmond812]

We did this exact same training when i studied White Eyebrow style. It was the most viscerally satisfying exercise i have ever done. I might see if i still have my bag that i made on my own somewhere. I hope I did not throw it away.

[@Purewater777]

@wbelonoha This, after giving them a 30 second stretch break. Insist, that they still maintain tiring grinding skin touch for another 3-4 minutes, narrowing the circle (but now as I said, 6inches from wrist) as if the are firing rockets from a canon, a tight tube. Once they perceived this movement, give them another 30 sec. break &tell them to open yet more the grinding forearm movement, still visualizing they are shooting from a tight canon tube. This, is what I’d do. -I do not have student’s.

[@Purewater777]

@wbelonoha I see. Well, what you can do is, tell them to place 1)one fist about 8-10 inches from their chest. 2)the other fist on top, so that they have both wrists touching, one on top of the other.Then tell them, to start grinding them in a small circular motion(chain punch way),not losing skin touch.Details at this point don't matter, the idea behind them is what we want.After 4-5 minutes of tiring very small circles,tell them to slightly open the circle about 6 inchesfrom their wrist.Cont->

[@SifuWayne]

@speedykicks I've never seen a punching bag seriously damage a brick wall so I would guess that it should be safe. There may be some discoloration of the wall if the punching bag color bleeds out. Good luck in your training.

[@thiagoeddine7559]

Congratulations, very good video!

[@SifuWayne]

Hi, You can get the details of the bags at everythingwingchun. Yes, they are made from heavy duty canvas.

[@obicross]

wth, it's a pretty straight forward lesson. very clear instruction. why still commenting negatively?

[@SifuWayne]

@Powerful - you're right. This drill is for beginners, a drill usually started on their 3rd or 4th day in ving tsun. I don't recommend a 4th day student punch with full power, nor do I expect them to have a powerful punch after only 4 days. With continued practice and evolution of this beginner technique, the technique will evolve and power will grow.

[@SifuWayne]

@lawmac2010 : You're right about the redness - so I say "stop when they're redish" and people should therefore stop before the cracking, splitting and tearing. Those things take so long to heal I like to stop before that happens. The new leather bags are great. They are smooth and virtually eliminate the cracking/splitting/tearing. I have a few of them and the are all very enjoyable to train on. What makes you believe I'm right handed?

[@taobrucelee]

Thanks for the very quick reply. I am also Moy Yat lineage. My sifu is from Miami under Robert Smith and Rex Aperauch. This is also the home school of Tom Chi. Thanks again, and i will keep watching your videos they are clean and easy to follow.

[@SifuWayne]

Hi. I'm not sure it was mentioned and I usually recommend the returning fist come back underneath on the most efficient line while the punching fist goes forward in a straight line. However some people still have a tendency to loop the punch going forward so it goes over the returning fist. For those beginners I get them to drop the front fist before punching again. It's a solution to a specific problem and not the average way I teach it. Thanks!

[@tuneafish1]

very cool video!!!thx for taking the time in making it and pointing out the mistakes we all have in common :-), take care

[@SifuWayne]

Hi, There are many commercial jows you can buy at your local Chinatown that should work fine. Each jow is a special blend of a number of different herbs that provide specific benefits so a general jow will be different than a blend made specifically for wing chun or for another type of training. I use (and sell) my teacher's jow which is formulated specifically for the training methods of ving tsun. I hope this helps.

[@Jay_Rule]

Hi Sifu Ving Tsun. I was wondering how I would hang a 3 section striking bag. I will install it in my garage which has dry wall. It has 3 rings so what type of hooks would I need and do I need a hardwood board like how you have it in your video? Thanks in advance

[@Woundheir]

It's called sa bao, sabao, sao bao, depending on who writes it.

[@sinosgongostibetanos]

kkk, i like que "dont do" very funny cogratulations sifu Wayne Belonoha take care sifu Peterson Menezes

[@LFJ]

The punch is called 日字冲拳 because the fist is vertical like the "sun character". With a square stance and equal reach there is no "front" vs "back" punch. The wall bag is called 墙靶 which literally means "wall target". The heavy bag is called 沙包 which means "sand bag".

[@darkbladesinger]

Thank you for taking the time to respond to my comment sir. I curious at what the next video will be :)

[@SifuWayne]

You can buy the bag from everything wing chun.com. I think it's like 15 or 20 dollars. I like the bag a lot; and have more than 1.

[@balloo777]

nice video. I like you set it up.

[@TheSeeker0131]

Is there a difference between being right or left handed when training? I think the object is to build both bone density, and muscle memory...correct? I notice that the amount of force that is being applied to the bag is rather violent. I also note that after making contact with the bag, your fist is dragging against the bag downward, and brought back to it's first position. Is this part of the proper form in recoiling the arm for the next punch?

[@darkbladesinger]

I've enjoyed all the videos. I have seen posted. I didn't read all the comments. I was just wondering if it was mentioned. To not drag your knuckles down the bag. When retracting your punch? I know its common sense yet I've seen it done. Have a great day and keep up the great work othe clips.

[@SifuWayne]

@TheSeeker0131 good q - As a first week drill I want the student to just move their front hand down instead of looping their back punch up and around the bottom hand. What I show here is one way to teach it that habit. I don't feel that dropping the hand is a violent movement - ie: I would not say to a student "this is a violent move". I say "drop the front hand out of the way so the back one can go straight". The retracting fist gets more efficient with practice.

[@darkbladesinger]

Like too far of a distance. so I wouldn't be considered over extending or looking like I'm off balance.

[@SifuWayne]

Hi Sirus, We have a theory in our style that says punches should go in a straight line toward the opponent (not up, down, or sideways). It's why we also call our punch the "arrow punch" or "straight punch". Many other styles have a chopping punch for blocking - so it's a valid technique - just not one we use. We call it a mistake (according to our theories) because we strive to be optimal in motion, energy and time. We just believe circular downward is less optimal than linear inward. Thoughts?

[@SifuWayne]

I was wondering where you train that you come to know this level of information. Is it possible to extend the arms to almost full extension (elbow a fist and thumb distance from the body) and not have tension in the muscles; will rebound happen if the arms are "dead" at impact? Does the makeup of the wall become a factor? Thanks.

[@nicholasgrisa747]

The bag is not used to misure your strenght, but to train, to gain the right feeling, to dont waste power and balance while throwing a punch.

[@SifuWayne]

so far, yes. there are a few extra ones from the wing chun university series. more videos are on the way; i took some time off to do another project (stay tuned for an announcement)

[@div545]

I liked the bags very much! What are they made of? Canvas?

[@TheSeeker0131]

Is there a difference between being right or left handed when training? I think the object is to build both bone density, and muscle memory...correct?

[@SifuWayne]

that sounds good - what do you mean by the wrong distance?

[@darkbladesinger]

:) how about the correct way to use fook sau..I've seen people try to use fook sau at the wrong distance a few times..its would be cool to help myself and others with the correct and incorrect application.

[@SifuWayne]

@trubblman Well said. I try to remind people of the differences between learning and fighting. Learning to ride a bike requires training wheels yet there are no training wheels in the tour de france. Additionally, not everybody learns the same way so it's necessary to have at least a few different methods of teaching the same thing - and this is one method. I agree with everything you said!

[@scotthathway19]

Good video, can you do one for iron palm training to strengthen palms for striking and chopping?

[@philmoufarrege]

you're getting a lot of rebound buddy, need to do spend a few more hours in your sil lum tao (provided you are doing the form correctly). make contact with the bag when your arm is closer (punch closer) because the straighter your arm, the more your shoulder muscles will pull the arm out of the centreline.

[@SifuWayne]

@Yourjoking999 Yes, you've clarified well. You're right on the points you make; and when fighting we typically do as you say - with both punches very tight and the back one going back on a very tight line. I did this video for people who had never punched before (first day) because I found that when I tried to get them to be very tight on their first day they ended up looping their top hand in a big circle instead of going straight. How do you fix that problem with your students?

[@SifuWayne]

@Yourjoking999 could you clarify point 2?

[@Alesandros356]

i dont got a punching bag like this 1....could i use somthing as a replacement?

[@SevenExousia]

I saw the full video a few days ago but lost the link and title. If anybody finds it or remembers please reply to me.

[@SifuWayne]

Hello Odnowaducha - please clarify. What's wrong?

[@SifuWayne]

@lawmac2010 You replied to my answer of your question with a question with a question. very well done. when i approach the bag i put my right hand on it to test distance. that infers i'm right handed - right?

[@kathirs1]

sifu....Ving Tsun Kung Fu Episode 32: punching is the last video??? sifu please upload more training videos...

[@Purewater777]

His slow motion shows his mistake. If he applies his chain punches in a real fight this way, there's too much time lost between his hits. The correct way is:1)as the fist hits bag, the other hand should already be on the way, to replace the previous fist that landed.2)the punch that hits, should pull back, not down 3)the hands should almost not lose "skin" touch, as they interact back and forth. This way a)the time gap between punches is greatly minimized, b) the front gate is always closed.

[@CarsonSmith74]

excellent lesson!!

[@bredmond812]

I did this kind of conditioning for a while about 15 years ago and I am 38 now. Do I still have that conditioning now? Does it last that long?

[@Ajuchacko91]

Is there anybody know the name of that punching bag?also how much it worth?

[@DavorBa]

Hi I was wandering about the mistake you mentioned at the end of the video, was it your body going backwards when doing the punches, or did I missed something besides the mistakes you pointed out. I'm so glad I have found your channel, hoping to apply everything I see here. Regards

[@peterjslevin4834]

Gd analogy

[@SifuWayne]

@SubmissionWrestIer That is certainly a common approach.

[@FlamingEmberSeal]

Why is it a mistake when in Wing Tsun the circular motion of punches is also used in trapping arms. Or striking an opponents arm downwards. Any down wards is intentional not a mistake.

[@Deathguarddave]

Hi, Always good for people to share experience and skills, maybe Christian meant that dragging knuckles for beginners who do not have conditioned hands can cause damage to the skin and cause tears which can take weeks to heal and slow training. I know you were using leather / synthetic leather bags but doing that on hessian / canvas bags will cause damage. Nice video tho. Dave

[@powerfulkf2806]

It doesn't matter how many.... It is how you are doing !

[@bwjtsa]

How much conditioning should be accomplished with a wooden dummy? I recently ordered one from warrior martial arts supply. Most video demonstrations I have seen seem to focus more on relaxation and correctness of application and I understand the importance of this. Am I missing something in the videos where application and conditioning go hand and hand?

[@speedykicks]

sifu,great video,thanx for the sharing your knowledge with us, I got a similar kind of bag in my home I am thinking of filling it with newspapers. I had seen it in a documentary they use that to train their knuckles and I do have some knowledge abt martial art so there is no harm in practicing my knuckles but my doubt is if I pin the bag to a wall(brick wall) at my home would the constant punching damage the wall and if so what should I do to prevent it

[@jason75]

Hey man where did you get those punching bag?

[@montu492]

Where do we get these bags ? What are they called, m

[@SifuWayne]

Hi Phil, I'm not sure it's clear what you mean by rebound and therefore by extension, how it will be fixed with siu lim tau. Would you mind clarifying?

[@SifuWayne]

@TheSeeker0131 I agree with you. I don't believe there should be a difference.

[@speedykicks]

sifu,great video,thanx for the sharing your knowledge with us, I got a similar kind of bag in my home I am thinking of filling it with newspapers. I had seen it in a documentary they use that to train their knuckles and I do have some knowledge abt martial so there is no harm in practicing my knuckles but my doubt is if I pin the bag to a wall(brick wall) at my home would the constant punching damage the wall and if so what should I do to prevent it

[@SifuWayne]

Hi, My lineage is Ip Man / Moy Yat / Sunny Tang.

[@SifuWayne]

We hit with the bottom two (or three) knuckles.

[@Pradiip79]

Hi Sifu Wayne! Is there a Jow that you would recommend to a newbie like me for this this kind of punching exercise? My hands get red after a while, and sometimes they ache and/or swell.

[@taobrucelee]

I was just curious what lineage you trained? Also nice video. Thanks

[@SifuWayne]

what would you like it to be about?

[@kathirs1]

sifu....Ving Tsun Kung Fu Episode 32: punching is the last video???

[@khristore]

"Ridicolous"...? So tell us what is the name of Yip Man's association in Honk Kong ?

[@JeetKuneDoBelgrade]

Ving Tsun romanization isnt only reserved for Wong Shun Leung lineage.

[@Purewater777]

@wbelonoha Glad to help.

[@thegamer-yp9hb]

Why dont u fill this bag with grit??? It will give u more power in hands....

[@1banryukyu]

Sir Very nicely done video. What is the 縦正拳突き or the vertical front punch called in Chinese and if you know the Hanzi漢字 could you also write　that too? And what is the 壁掛巻藁 or the wall striking bag called in Chinese plus its 漢字? Thank you for your time. Osu

[@SifuWayne]

Yes, 1000 punches each day. :)

[@jason75]

Where did you get that punching bag thats mounted on the wall

[@SifuWayne]

Everythingwingchun.com

[@weare7043]

Sifu Wayne Belonoha, if you are still monitoring this channel, I have a question for you. I have very weak wrists due to many many snowboarding injuries. I, therefore, find my wrists folding while striking my wall bag with any real power even though I have been working on proper alignment for the last 8 years. Do you have any suggestions for me? Be they reinforcement strength training or structural alteration etc.

[@SifuWayne]

I have a few suggestions. I'd like to see the punch first to confirm the alignment is not the source of the problem. Want to pick this up by email until we have a solution?

[@weare7043]

That would be great! To what email should I send a video?

[@SifuWayne]

[e-mail]

[@apocalyptoleo]

i hope the uploader reads and replies to comments but i was recently on ebay looking for a punching bag since where i live i cant go to gyms and dont like in a house but a trailer park and i was wondering i needed something portable to train on my boxing can this small puching bag i saw exactly like this one on ebay can it help with punching like boxing? or kick boxing? because lets be real its a small target but does it help?

[@buzifalus]

what type of stone you have in there?

[@trubblman]

The hand can drop after you strike with a punch; this is a control technique. In a real fight I wouldnt use more than 2 punches; anything more is just not realistic. No one is just going to stand there and let you hit them.

[@SifuWayne]

@lawmac2010 I do some things better left and right and others better right than left. Why do you ask?

[@dantexy507]

Wing Chun !

[@_thewarriorpoet]

Im having a hard time finding that kind of bag you used last on your video, where can I find it to purchase online?

[@ben1c1o56]

Go to www.everythingwingchun.com/

[@jeffreyhaun3432]

I think these videos are great. But, for some reason, I couldn't stop thinking of Mr. Bean when he was showing common mistakes that people do. "Mr Bean does Ving Tsun. "

[@assassin1911kya]

MY bads filled wit nails

[@jeffreyhaun3432]

The only way this video could be any funnier is if Mr. Bean was doing the demonstration.

[@SifuWayne]

Canada. Why do you ask?

[@KnightRiderDDR]

1000 punches? A day?

[@schulleee]

almost everything about this exercise is okay. tthis definitly is a great way to condition your knuckles without getting ugly, clumby karate knuckles... but still you are not supposed to move back and forth or push yourself away during punching, like shown in this video. cause right now it seems likie that this person doesn´t even know why even doing that weird wing chun stance.

[@SifuWayne]

Highly ridonculous. Our meter goes to 11.

[@joshbyrnesuk]

Well you dont fully extend the arm you lose power.

[@BUDOTECWINGTSUN]

;o)

[@ODNOWADUCHA]

Wrong !!!

[@powerfulkf2806]

Try this punches on a real opponent. He will feel like massage.

[@singinginthedark2786]

ok I trained in ving tsun at moy yat academy, this guy is no master, that is not how you punch notice how he keeps his fist closed at all times? yeah that is the first thin you learn it to not do that, like in first few weeks of training. this guy is a joke and wants your money, i got 7 years of training under my sifu, and 20 more years of self training. this is not real ving tsun at all, not any form of it.

[@corporalmcscrubbykins112]

Wing chun.... Not ving tsun

[@majadebij6716]

+CorporalMcScrubbykins probably just Mandarin vs Cantonese...

[@subwoofer6726]

Not Ving Tsun is another Romanized alias it goes by. You can do the research and look it up, though clearly you didn't...

[@lobopaniky4934]

CorporalMcScrubbykins exacto tai kion no tae kuon do

[@ben1c1o56]

Actually no. Ving tsun is the system modified from wing chun by ip man. Before you start correcting martial arts you should do your research.

[@subwoofer6726]

Ben1c1o5​​ Actually no that's a loosely based answer. So before YOU start correcting people, you might want to expand on your homework before you end up eating your word like you will now. A quick Bing or Google search will reveal Ving Tsun is just a mere romanization of Wing Chun, all due to some pf the dialects of China. If you take a look at Wayne Belonoha's " Wing Chun Compendium" first volume, the same matter is restated. What IS modified is some grandmasters changed the named to distinguish their lines and due to some incorperations of their own interpretations.