Introduction to the Slavic Slave Trade

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0:00 Etymological Introduction
4:25 Beginnings of Slavic Slavery
7:00 Height of the Medieval Slavic Slave Trade
13:38 Etymologically Slavs = Slaves
14:57 Medieval Slavery
16:16 Slavic Slavery Past the Early Middle Ages
17:33 Modern Slavic Denial of Slavic Slavery
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@MLaserHistory
@MLaserHistory Жыл бұрын
! Extra Information & Clarifications ! 0:03 Painting by Tadeusz Popiel. 0:14 If you can pick I would prefer you would support me on Patreon as A. there's more reward tears on there and B. more of that money actually makes it to the creator than on KZbin. KZbin takes a much larger cut than Patreon does. If you want to do just a one time donation you can also do that through either KZbin "Thanks" or if you want more of the money to make it to me than through ko-fi. ko-fi.com/mlaserhistory Thank you very much for any support you give. This year I have been struggling with where I want to go with my life and the donations really help me justify spending time on this whole KZbin thing which is what I would love to be doing if possible. 1:12 It could mean anything from chattel slavery to 'servus Dei' meaning servant of god, which most medieval monks would consider themselves as being but they are, of course, not 'slaves'. 2:30 2:40 Paintings by Sergey Ivanov. 3:20 Cotton MS Julius A VI, f. 6v. 3:24 Sometimes they would also add 'et' in between the words, i.e. 'sclavus et captivus'. 3:58 Munich, Bayerische Stattsbibliothek, Clm.4453, fol. 23-24. 4:52 The variations can be attributed to the fact that there was no standardized way of writing the name and medieval authors where most likely just trying to phonetically spell out, the best way they could, the name 'Slovene' which they heard from the Slavs. 5:53 Slavs most certainly also lived within the Lombardic and Gepid Pannonian kingdoms which is why I put the word slav in that area. 6:45 I misspoke, I meant Carinthia not Thuringia. 7:14 Here I am using the word 'Islamic Caliphate' as a catch all for the Rashidun, Umayyad, and Abbasside Caliphates just to simplify things. 7:47 The star of David that is shown in the Khazar Khaganate is supposed to symbolize the superficial conversion of the Khaganate to Judaism. In reality the conversion was very superficial and was primarily only political rather than actually internal. With that said, this superficial outward conversation did play a role in altering the Slavic slave trade in eastern Europe as, for example, Jewish merchants from Al-Andalus made contact with merchants in Khazaria and tried opening a new trade route from Khazaria to Al-Andalus. That is why I think it was still worth mentioning the Jewish connections of the later Khazar Khaganate despite the actual history of their conversation being very nuanced and largely unsuccessful. 'The Archaeology of Slavery in Early Medieval Northern Europe', p. 133. 8:36 Although, by the time of the 11th century these two main divides in trade routes stopped existing as the new Hungarian and Polish kingdoms connected the east trade routes with the west. However, before then the pagan Avars and also, initially, pagan Hungarians, largely blocked the connection of the wester and eastern trade routes along the Danube, while disunited Poland didn't have major trade ports that could connected the greater flat lands of Poland. 9:00 I meant to say Muslim explorers and geographers as not all of these people where Arabs, some where Persian and other ethnicities. 9:07 Ibn Rusta actually called the Varangians the Rus' in his writings. This was not uncommon because, first, the word Rus' initially meant just Norseman living in Eastern Europe and only later became to be applied to the Slavic population and, second, these geographers and explorers didn't always identify the people with the correct term they would have used. Therefore, the context in which these words are being used is very important in determining who they're supposed to refer to. In this case it is very obvious that the word Rus' was supposed to refer to the raiding Varangians of Eastern Europe hence, for simplicity sake, I changed the word to that. 10:40 I accidentally mixed up West and East Francia on the map, sorry. 13:25 Now this argument is extremely nuanced, after all the book has 1000 pages, so I obviously couldn't talk about everything, therefore, go read the book if you want to know more. 13:39 Painting by Sergey Ivanov. 14:05 Of course, this linguistic change didn't happen all at ones everywhere in Europe. It was a gradual process that started in the 9th century and, in some areas like southern Italy, wasn't fully complete until the early 14th century. 14:45 Saqaliba meant 'white slave' mostly in Al-Andalus, while in the rest of the Muslim world it meant just Slav. 14:55 Cantigas de Santa María, fol-221V. 15:24 Bodleian Library, MS. Douce 195, fol. 76v. 15:29 Santa María de Terena. Miniature of the Cantiga #275. 15:30 What I am doing here, i.e. the comparison I stated, would be a bit disingenuous to do within an academic work because it doesn't help us understand slavery as a spectrum nor does it somehow alleviate the suffering of some by saying it wasn't as bad as the suffering of others. But because this video is supposed to be an "introduction", and because it is intended for a lay audience, I felt the need to make some comparison in order to set up some point of reference, even if not perfect. 15:30 Plantation based chattel slavery did exist but was very uncommon during the middle ages. Vast majority of slaves ended up being guards/soldiers, maids, house workers, etc. Often even with the possibility of buying ones own freedom or being able to assimilate into the society they lived in. After all some Saqaliba even managed to become rulers or appointed into very high political positions, 15:39 Cantigas de Santa María, fol-244R. 16:09 Slavs also were the most numerous ethnic group in eastern Europe so by sheer numbers they would have ended up being the majority of the slaves. I just didn't state this fact because there is a whole debate about ethnicity in the middle ages and to what extend "Slavic" was an identifiable ethnicity and how it coalesced to a point to be the most dominant ethnicity in Europe and, therefore, stating this would have brought about more historiographical arguments which would have had to be addressed and for which there wasn't enough time in the video. If you want to know more look up Vienna School, Toronto School, and Oxford School of thought on ethnicity in the middle ages. 17:43 "Thirst for knowledge" Anti-Czech propaganda postcard from around 1910. A Czech school boy has to copy answers from a "smarter" German school boy while Masaryk in the background oversees it all happening. This is a reference to the alleged inferiority of the Slavs. The card was part of a series that was published by the Federation of Germans in Lower Austria. 18:08 Which sounds very similar to the argument for British colonialism I mentioned in my previous video. kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z4HRaaVrnLSUqsk 18:34 “Germans learn Czech!” Anti-Czech propaganda postcard from around 1910 A German schoolboy fails to pronounce a Czech tongue twister. This is a reference to the alleged inferiority of the Slav languages. The card was part of a series that was published by the Federation of Germans in Lower Austria. 19:04 Illustration by Tom Lovell, National Geographic Image Collection There is this idea that most slave trading in medieval Europe was conducted by Jews but this is wholly unsupported by academic research and is mostly just part of fascist propaganda. Jews were just as likely as any other people group to be medieval slave traders no more nor less. Sources for all my videos are in the bibliography of my scripts available for free to download on my Patreon. www.patreon.com/mlaser?filters[tag]=script
@ytbaccount5513
@ytbaccount5513 Жыл бұрын
In romanian we have three words for slave, nevolnic like in polish, rob like in the slavic languages and sclav
@MLaserHistory
@MLaserHistory Жыл бұрын
@@ytbaccount5513 Yeah, many languages have multiple words for slaves. Greek, for example, also has multiple words for a slave.
@kosa9662
@kosa9662 Жыл бұрын
@@ytbaccount5513 niewolnik in Polish is combination of 2 words: Nie - no Wolny - free
@MLaserHistory
@MLaserHistory Жыл бұрын
@@wiwersewindemer4437 The numbers are a footnote in the script. Download the script and you'll get all the sources in there just like in any academic paper.
@Robin_Is
@Robin_Is Жыл бұрын
Ok.
@miketacos9034
@miketacos9034 Жыл бұрын
Man the Slavic people literally never got a break.
@cherylk.2474
@cherylk.2474 Жыл бұрын
Don't forget, the Slavic people of today are descended from the Slavs who fought against their enemies who were trying to enslave them, remained free and survived. Also, many Slavic women who were taken as slaves became the mothers of the next generation of the Ottoman elite. I believe this mixing of blood gradually changed the attitude of the Ottomans regarding the Slavs due to the presence of an increasing number of people who recognized their dual heritage. Just my theory and can probably be disputed.
@dejanpavlovic7398
@dejanpavlovic7398 Жыл бұрын
@@user-yo5ee5kx4y good point but the Russian Empire didn't do shit. We freed ourselves and you only started supporting that when you needed us to help you get political power in the Balkans. Get out of my country fake friends. Go back to Russia and suffer economically for attacking Ukraine
@Papuca3000
@Papuca3000 Жыл бұрын
We did not. But the thing which struck me the most in this video was the idea that the slav slave trade built up western economy, which was a precursor to later worldwide colonization and tyranny. Evil breeds more evil it seems :)
@MrEvan1932
@MrEvan1932 Жыл бұрын
@@cherylk.2474 The latter years of the Ottoman empire point towards the Janissaries becoming a ruling class of their own; many of which were abducted from Slavic homelands/families and raised to become the formidable soldier group of the Ottoman empire. I'd imagine these abductions caused increasing animosity towards the ruling Turks from the Slavs who have been tributed to become Janissaries. As their political influence grew, it contributed towards instability in the Ottoman Empire which later led to its collapse. Of course, there were many other factors that caused this collapse, but perhaps it wasn't the best idea to steal children from the Slavic territories they occupied and raise them to become elite soldiers of the Ottoman empire.
@agape_99
@agape_99 Жыл бұрын
@@MrEvan1932 As a Turk, I can say that at the time, Ottomans were multicultural muslims and they believed balkan people (serbs especially) were fierce fighters (but ufortunately(!) infidels). So they used them because of this perceived positivd regard and trusted them to be present in capital (living near sultans palace in fierce education of literature, architecture (also siege equipments, remember mercenary christians in 1453 as craftsmen of bombards) or martial arts
@dbass4973
@dbass4973 Жыл бұрын
as a slav myself: it needs to be noted that the chances of your ancestors being slave traders are higher than the chances of them being eunuchs
@MLaserHistory
@MLaserHistory Жыл бұрын
That's a good point. Statistically your ancestors are definetly more likely to be Slavic slave traders than the Slavic slaves, since most of them ended up as eunuchs in the middle east. The ones that remained in Eastern Europe where the ones that avoided being captured or took part in the trading.
@kosa9662
@kosa9662 Жыл бұрын
@@MLaserHistory idk, there is theory that early Polan state was build on trade slave too. Just to said that, there was quite a large number of Varangians which had served under Polan rulers. These rulers must have been paying them somehow.
@groznimoddingstuff2161
@groznimoddingstuff2161 Жыл бұрын
That would explain why our word for a slave seems highly related with the word "merchandise" (rob/roba in Serbian, idk about other Slavic languages)
@melidiosone9262
@melidiosone9262 Жыл бұрын
Don’t forget women slaves, who were unlikely castrated and likely raped
@dubfox1691
@dubfox1691 Жыл бұрын
This is true for everyone...
@grzegorzha.
@grzegorzha. Жыл бұрын
When you're such high-quality **unpaid labourers** that the whole **profession** gets named after you.
@MLaserHistory
@MLaserHistory Жыл бұрын
lol
@albilevizm
@albilevizm Жыл бұрын
Wahahaha 😅😅😅😅😅 hilarious 😂 😅😅😅
@bgggsht
@bgggsht Жыл бұрын
I guess being the best at something is always a good thing 😂
@Annathroy
@Annathroy 11 ай бұрын
And I guess nothing changed 😂
@user-vs5nb7xd6y
@user-vs5nb7xd6y 10 ай бұрын
I thought славяне because of славные, слава. Not because of slavery, lol.
@fiendishrabbit8259
@fiendishrabbit8259 Жыл бұрын
If I remember my medieval etymology right "Slava" (glory) and "slovo" (word) has the same root, as slava has its roots in "someone who is spoken of" (someone who is famous, someone who has glory). So slavs basically means "people who speak our language".
@SimonNissen94
@SimonNissen94 Жыл бұрын
it also fun that the slavs called us germanics niemcy (i think thats how you spell it) which i think means something like mute or no word, because the slavs couldn't understand them
@Based-king
@Based-king Жыл бұрын
Coping mode
@alexd9735
@alexd9735 Жыл бұрын
@@SimonNissen94 mate you wrote that in past tense. Germans are still called Njemci and Germany Njemacka (like officially) which would translate as "land of those who cant speak" ...too funny :)
@macanaeh
@macanaeh Жыл бұрын
@@alexd9735 It varies between different slavic languages. I know the Poles still call them that, where I'm from the country is Germania, but the people are niemcy
@Artur_M.
@Artur_M. Жыл бұрын
@@macanaeh Yes, _Niemcy_ means both "Germans" and "Germany" in Polish. 🙂
@Faustobellissimo
@Faustobellissimo Жыл бұрын
One curiosity: The popular Italian salutation "Ciao" actually means "slave" in ancient Venetian dialect. When two people met, they used to say "sciao vostro", meaning "I'm your slave", as a courtesy display.
@billdehappy1
@billdehappy1 Жыл бұрын
so kinda 'your humble servant' and such often nobles ended their letters by? i acutally use the word ciao on daily basis like and did not know that interresting...
@Faustobellissimo
@Faustobellissimo Жыл бұрын
@@billdehappy1 yes
@Sanvone
@Sanvone Жыл бұрын
Maybe both Ciao and Servus were the N words of past :D".
@billdehappy1
@billdehappy1 Жыл бұрын
@@Sanvone interresting...being of similuare experince as my kind first came to this contry earlie 1500 belived of tatar origin so called us for 'thaatare' or today being 'tattar' that became in daily use asscoiated with negativly and used as a slur not for us as being racial only to one another as insult in sports teams or calling those being of antisocial,criminal or futherst down in rank of society viewed lesser, as our people being it been in 2010s baned for others useing the term as we became a minority people and being seen as hate crime..not for being any real diffrents other than average peasent mind their tounge abit more not that were being seen or treated better cause of banned it, its a synenom with the english word 'gipsy' basically and of same meaning as our people and our 'n-word' being gipsy in general before this one is just another specifik for scandinavia as thought we were tatars as being nomads and 'oriental' hehe...somethings ironic the pc word being insted for us 'romer' being from our word 'rom' as our people here in europe is now going by... acutally its 'romale' as in 'aven romale' - being romani in our language, our relatives in anatolya,iran,egypt etc are known as Domari and speak the same language as us but diffrent dialect as we got european dialectes depending on host nation that we been in historically when it wasent as easy and common to meet other tribal groups if not being very well travelled outside your own contry and territory being historical seperated and isolated from one another as we all got a base since over millenia ago before we even came here that almost being 100% same word and meaing to us just diffrent prouncement or grammar/spell cause use of the host nations not a univerasl as its never been written down before now with soical media and all some even started to create one for the future and our peoples can comunicate like we do now in english... i can understand song lyrics or speak in daily phrases with another even if not meet or same dialect as thanks to our basic necissaerity for being able to comunicate say if would be in a contry which i cant speak their language i could if find one of my kind comunicate essential things... speak a german dialect since being orignated from there and that dialect but informerly known as traveler romani which have same phrasing and being relation with also use jiddish words as its a germanic language were being from same peoples and often share surnames as schwartz,weiss,meyer(in my case)grön-green,neuman/newman/nyman,freiman/freeman/friman,bäckström,lindemann,lind,rosenberg acutally roth and ros has same origin for us rather than the flower, being roosch-roth-ros-roos tho for some solidernames given for those serving or not being later roma from east most names has to do with colours goldsmithing or here trees like björk espcially linden is common as : lind,lindh,lindgren,lundgren,lindbergh,lindholm.. diffrent mixes bäck,ström,forss all being part of smithing pre-industrial age since need running water for the melting...ström-stream,bäck-calmer stream,forss-fast streams often downhills..like a berg find it holm is swedish for island like in novgorod 'holmgård' or the capitol 'stockholm' meaing logisland as example for us are incommon with german jews being romani and from western europe unlike the roma from eastern we speak difrent dialects and such...elvis presely charlie chaplin michael cain are of our people for some publical famous peoples that is common knowledge in household world wide
@baymarin4456
@baymarin4456 Жыл бұрын
Just like "servus" in Austrian & South German
@junkierk4121
@junkierk4121 Жыл бұрын
In Polish word slave is translated as "niewolnik". "Nie-" part means no, and "-wolnik" from "wola" refers to free will. Niewolnik means quite literally, without free will. It's self explianatory we don't have connection between word for Slavs (Słowianie) and slaves (niewolnik).
@yuliasergeevna2310
@yuliasergeevna2310 Жыл бұрын
the same in belarussian, but I guess only latin counts as etymology for our own slavic words
@RustedCroaker
@RustedCroaker Жыл бұрын
In most Slavic languages "wola" means freedom in general. Not as narrow as "free will" in modern Polish. So, "niewolnik" means "not-free".
@ulfricheiligestern1326
@ulfricheiligestern1326 Жыл бұрын
same in Ukrainian: невольник, невільник(niewolnik, niewilnik)
@annamav9700
@annamav9700 Жыл бұрын
@@ulfricheiligestern1326 but in Ukranian slave is also "rab/раб", though. But it's interesting that Ukranian language has no word "rabotat'(work), which clearly has some connection to slavery, but russian language does...
@---qq7gt
@---qq7gt Жыл бұрын
@@ulfricheiligestern1326 нічого не забув? Невільник))) Мо "Раб"? Невільник - не раб. Це скоріш "полонений", "вязень". А тут саме про рабів
@michalhruska3100
@michalhruska3100 Жыл бұрын
When I first read about early Czech history in academic sources, it really surprised me how much slave trade was referenced. Contact with Arabic world seemed preposterous at first glance, and through today's lenses, Czechs selling other Slavs from Poland and beyond seemed a silly idea. I thought about it for a bit and slowly started realising how much political and economical sense it made, and how much today's concept of nationality and old 19th-century-style outlook on 'fellow Slavic nations' were colouring my perception right there. I remember the moment quite clearly as the first instance of bias on my own part I recognised, it was a little eye opening. After all, for a 10th century Czech, what did it matter to him whether he was fighting against a Pole or a German or a Magyar? No matter how much we want to think about it like that, people in the 10th century weren't our grandfather's grandfathers - they were almost entirely foreign to us, their values entirely different, no matter how much we try to identify with them. Some people today don't want to think of their ancestors as this distant though, and easily fall back on "my people just don't do that". Slavery seems to be a concept that modern people know just as a Roman thing, or more likely, as the American plantation system. Enslaving within Europe seems inconceivable while you only think within those boundaries. P.S.: My thoughts kinda meandered there. Great video!
@hkchan1339
@hkchan1339 Жыл бұрын
Nationalism gave rise to the nation state of homogeneous ethnicity is a totally foreign concept in those days. I guess selling the pagan tribe across the river to the Muslim traders make sense economically, and they fact that they are not from your village / religion means you have no qualms sleeping at night about it. It's like selling an animal you caught in the forest across the river to the Czechs If it helps I suspect the Slavic tribes sell each other to slavery too
@michalhruska3100
@michalhruska3100 Жыл бұрын
@@hkchan1339 If West Africa can serve as model of a tribal society we know better, I'm sure they did.
@johnries5593
@johnries5593 Жыл бұрын
The mentality apparently persisted into relatively modern times, which would be why Europeans so eagerly embraced the African slave trade in the 15th and 16th Centuries, even though the markets were mostly across the Atlantic (for the most part, they weren't employed at home). After all, it wasn't their people being enslaved and sold. Outside of the Iberian Peninsula, the slaves weren't even for the local markets (no need to worry about local consequences). Apparently, Europeans didn't even think much about it until the Eighteenth Century.
@majster5675
@majster5675 Жыл бұрын
@@hkchan1339 You can stop suspecting and start being certain. Slavery and general acceptation of treating another people as some sort of goods/propriety were common concepts among both western and eastern Europeans since antiquity all the way through Middle Ages. It didn't look quite as we imagine it nowadays though: chains, whips, brutal violance, dying in ruined cottages after few months of ardous exploitation etc.. In most cases it came down to taking hostages for ransom or kiddnaping peasant and relocating them to your own land as servants. Many such a people assimilated later and became just another locals in generation or two.
@marlarki5280
@marlarki5280 Жыл бұрын
Alot of ugliness is simply glossed over due to how obscure early medieval Europe is.
@elevenm.a.1125
@elevenm.a.1125 Жыл бұрын
As an East European Slav, I need to thank you for this video. Convincing people in the West that our perspective is important often feels like bashing my head into a concrete wall. This is the sort of foundation I need, just so they'd stop talking over my head and listen. I'm especially grateful that you stressed the anti-Slavic prejudice in Marxism. My experiences with communism are often invalidated by the western speakers, because Marx supposedly said that "communism couldn't work out in my part of the world". There is a strong 'it didn't count' mindset in the western left when it comes to Slavic experience, and an equally strong conviction that our feelings and opinions on the matter don't count, either. I really wish these people would say what Marx and Engels *actually* had to say about my people. It really shows how 'objective' these claims were. There's one thing I really yearned for at the end of the video, though: A nod to the modern human trafficking and slavery. The idea that Slavs are attractive-yet-exploitable targets for slavery is alive and well - and with the influx of Ukrainian war refugees, Slavic human trafficking is sadly on the rise.
@lordjimbo2
@lordjimbo2 Жыл бұрын
Keep fighting the good fight.
@jorgovan-ni9kz
@jorgovan-ni9kz Жыл бұрын
Idi da se lečiš😢
@elevenm.a.1125
@elevenm.a.1125 Жыл бұрын
@@jorgovan-ni9kz Sam się idź leczyć🙄
@jorgovan-ni9kz
@jorgovan-ni9kz Жыл бұрын
@@elevenm.a.1125 ne, ne. Ti treba da se lečiš. 🫵😎
@peters8512
@peters8512 Жыл бұрын
I watched this video and it struck me that modern human traffickers seem to be using the same routes. Particularly Slav women trafficked into the sex industry. There's an estimated 50million slaves in the world in 2023. As soon as you start looking into this stuff it gets dark very fast and you have to wonder why it continues so unopposed.
@liveforever141
@liveforever141 Жыл бұрын
Concept that the word Slav is the origin of the word slave is accepted in Slavic countries, but often than not, westerners reverse it, and say, that Slav is hailed from slave, this is where Slavic people have problem.
@zarinaromanets7290
@zarinaromanets7290 4 ай бұрын
Ditto for this one! Something so simple can be used by people to paint a picture, and in a world where propaganda and bots reign supreme it can be difficult to have straight conversations with people.
@sebjornsprauten1406
@sebjornsprauten1406 11 күн бұрын
Interesting point, i have seen that misconception before
@insaneweasel1
@insaneweasel1 Жыл бұрын
The fact that so many slavs were enslaved is more of a reflection on the cruelty of their neighbors than on any perceived inferiority of the people. During tumultuous times, anyone can be a victim.
@insaneweasel1
@insaneweasel1 Жыл бұрын
@@chrisper7527 I'm not quite sure if you responded to the right person.
@fintonmainz7845
@fintonmainz7845 Жыл бұрын
Sold by fellow Slavs, most likely.
@nochalnosowski
@nochalnosowski Жыл бұрын
Yeah this means that today Slavs are the descendants of the ones who weren't slaves
@ekesandras1481
@ekesandras1481 Жыл бұрын
@@fintonmainz7845 or their Viking overlords, the Rus.
@fintonmainz7845
@fintonmainz7845 Жыл бұрын
@@ekesandras1481I believe they were involved in buying and selling rather that catching individual free people and enslaving them on a mass scale.
@dauritas1460
@dauritas1460 Жыл бұрын
I think "slovo" was definitely the word that defined common name of the Slavic ethnic groups. Because if you say Sloveni(or other forms of the same word) it simply means "those who speak". Otherwise, a common word the most of Slavs use for Germans, Nemac(Njemac, Niemec etc), meaning "the mute ones" would not make logical sense.
@gorangoran6335
@gorangoran6335 Жыл бұрын
I am a Slaven, and I absolutely do not care what the others think about that.
@totaltileflooring4507
@totaltileflooring4507 Жыл бұрын
"The mute ones"? Definitely not a correct or direct translation. Nemac or Njemac. The word "nema" translates into someone not having something. Translates worthless or pennyless or culturally poor. Since the Germans are in northern Europe. Cold. Less food. Hemce the ones that dont have.
@dauritas1460
@dauritas1460 Жыл бұрын
@@totaltileflooring4507 It is a correct translation though, and quite direct. "Nem" or "njem" also means "voiceless". Some Slavic languages preserved the word in that form, some didn't, simple as that(Same as my language lost some of the root words and borrowed foreign ones due to historical circumstances). Interesting theory though, since in my language "nemati" is also a verb that is used in a same fashion. I'm curious how do you say mute in your language. xD
@totaltileflooring4507
@totaltileflooring4507 Жыл бұрын
@@dauritas1460 I appolgize Nem is when someone is mute. You are right. It is just not a direct translation to me but I can now agree with you how it can be referred to as voiceless or mute nation. Germany is called Nemacka or Njemacka in other parts. Looking at the exceptionalism in the West and their regard towards slavic people is degrading and amazingly they keep that narrative still to this day Either way I think we can agree that they are missing something lol otherwise our ancestors wouldnt have been putting them into these categories or referring to them as worthless, mute, not having, etc etc Slavic ancestors valued culture, family and food. The slavic world especially the balkans saw the Northern Europeans as barbaric. Which to qn extent in my eyes they still are and will forever be lacking in something.
@cdunne1620
@cdunne1620 Жыл бұрын
@@totaltileflooring4507 ..mmm what are they lacking I wonder
@fictionmaniak8081
@fictionmaniak8081 Жыл бұрын
Another part of this denial could be simple fact of education. I am from a slavic country and I can assure you that at least in my school years there was not even a word on slavic slave trade (which is a bit weird to be honest, because we like to self-martyr normally)... We have a strong focus on history post conversion to Christianity. About the period before that, we mostly discussed religious beliefs, some conflicts between tribes and with Western Europe, but nothing about captured people.
@gregorkolar9965
@gregorkolar9965 11 ай бұрын
True. Never heard a peep about this either
@Swordfish42
@Swordfish42 11 ай бұрын
Yet another reason why I am disappointed by my Polish education. We covered ancient Egypt like three times, yet there as not a word in all my history lessons about this topic.
@sheriswargana4058
@sheriswargana4058 11 ай бұрын
Same. Accidentally learned about Slavic slave trade through an Adventure novel(!) that i read for fun. Yet not a single word on the topic in schoolbooks. Was really disappointed in our education system...
@CKwoi
@CKwoi 11 ай бұрын
Same here for Slovenia, come to think of it...
@jonathansoko1085
@jonathansoko1085 10 ай бұрын
Which aspect? The west in general doesnt want to teach about enslavement of slavic peoples. They want to focus on the transatlantic slave trade, and thats it
@moravianlion3108
@moravianlion3108 Жыл бұрын
As Czech, I do remember being taught at primary school abou adopting christianity en masse around 8th century. But I don't recall them even mentioning slave trade at all. Which is not that surprising, coming from both ends.
@moraviuscallidus1885
@moraviuscallidus1885 11 ай бұрын
the first bohemian state economy was 100% dependent on the slave trade - slaves were sold in Prague (jugoslavske namesti) to the jewish and Arabic traders , the first regular bohemian army was fully financed from slave sales
@gamer228r
@gamer228r Жыл бұрын
I as a slav (Ukrainian) always wondered why in English slaves and Slavs were so similiar words but never found a good video of such quality as yours. Big thank you
@enriqueperezarce5485
@enriqueperezarce5485 Жыл бұрын
Me too, but now it makes sense. I was always like “this sounds like Slavs have been enslaved for a long time”
@billdehappy1
@billdehappy1 Жыл бұрын
its been known for rather long time...but i think cause of the modern view on it aswell but its not really like slavic peoples proudly want to aknowledge it...rest just want to hide the fact probaly cause of negative association why its not a higher topic...
@faisalkamal4319
@faisalkamal4319 Жыл бұрын
Ukraine more like Russia
@gamer228r
@gamer228r Жыл бұрын
@@faisalkamal4319 what country r u from ?
@viatka1966
@viatka1966 Жыл бұрын
@@faisalkamal4319 russian more like finno-ugric
@michaeljf6472
@michaeljf6472 Жыл бұрын
There is also "Slovo" (word), so Slavs are those who speak, as opposed to Nemci (Germans), those who bumble or are quiet
@Artur_M.
@Artur_M. Жыл бұрын
Yeah, it's explained around 4:44 in the video (but without that Nemci part).
@randomcomment6068
@randomcomment6068 Жыл бұрын
@@unsrescyldas9745 This about meaning of words Arabs, Arameians and Persians is pretty funny 😄
@NoOne-ds7pw
@NoOne-ds7pw Жыл бұрын
@@unsrescyldas9745 just like romans and barbarians
@d0dge407
@d0dge407 Жыл бұрын
In most slavic languages, slovo means letter. Nemci is what at least in Serbia, Bosnia and Croatia we call Germans.
@M.H.Margin
@M.H.Margin Жыл бұрын
@@d0dge407 russia and ukraine too
@StatedClearly
@StatedClearly Жыл бұрын
I just want to point out how great it is that you drew out all those maps so we can just passively watch how things changed over time. That was a lot of extra work for you, and it makes things so much easier for us viewers! Maybe this seems like an odd thing for me to be so excited about but the main trouble I have when reading history is keeping track of maps. Thanks for another excellent video! I'm not sure why I wasn't already subscribed, but I am now.
@MLaserHistory
@MLaserHistory Жыл бұрын
Thank you :)
@Pama013
@Pama013 Жыл бұрын
Western Europe and EU treat us like third level citizens a lot. When I was traveling and end up in Austria or Germany, until they saw my passport they were nice to me, because I do speak German and English fluently. After they saw where I am from people turn a 180 and start to be really NASTY.
@AS-010o0
@AS-010o0 11 ай бұрын
Yeah I experienced that too in Germany. Although one time they were nice to me when they saw my passport 🤔 I was taken aback
@kacper5021
@kacper5021 11 ай бұрын
Where are you from?
@jabbh7680
@jabbh7680 11 ай бұрын
We should treat them same in our countries
@statsguy1446
@statsguy1446 11 ай бұрын
In my experience the Germans, Italians, Austrians and British were completely fine with me being Czech. The Nordic people on the other hand (mainly Norwegians and Danish) started to suddenly treat us differently after learning we're the "filthy stupid eastern Europeans." They weren't rude or anything tho.
@BlackSalamander439
@BlackSalamander439 11 ай бұрын
Yeah, there's definitely a big stigma against us Easterners in the West that doesn't get talked about at all, mostly because everyone's focused on "American-centric" ethnic discrimination against black people, Middle-Easterners, etc. (which is a problem but they are a tiny fraction of the EU population and their struggle is vastly overrepresented compared to Slavs). Most of the time, I never ever mention where I'm from when out West since people will start treating you like a lepper (Spanish people being the Western European exception in my experience).
@macanaeh
@macanaeh Жыл бұрын
In Russian, the word for slave is "rab", from what I read it's inherited from Old East Slavic and possibly Proto-Slavic before that. The Russian word for "work" is "rabota", which is a cognate with the word slave and can be interpreted as "slave's activity". In Ukrainian they use "robyty" (робити) and in Polish robić, both have the same root as Russian "rabota" (работа) and come from the word for slave, though from what I understand the meaning of it in Polish and Ukrainian is closer to "to do" rather than specifically for working
@thetempleoflove6966
@thetempleoflove6966 Жыл бұрын
In Polish we also use the term "robota" for work. It's less common, and less official, but functions in the language as well. If you want to say "Good work!" in Polish you say "Dobra robota!", and never "Dobra praca". Maybe it's because in Polish "praca"(work) means an activity, and "robota"(work) means more like "a lump of work", or "the sum of done work", it's work made in time.
@dritokonj2
@dritokonj2 Жыл бұрын
@@user-on5jn9tn5n It was actually proposed by his brother, as Karel didn't like what he came up with initially. He is still credited as the author although he repeatedly said it was his brother's idea. :)
@lalilulelothepatriots7228
@lalilulelothepatriots7228 Жыл бұрын
RaBota sounds like in spanish LaBota in ingles TheBoot.
@vitalikvitalik7637
@vitalikvitalik7637 Жыл бұрын
@@gj1234567899999 That's right. Robot is actually a Czech word, it was first used by Czech writer Karel Čapek
@scpmr
@scpmr Жыл бұрын
I think it's the word "rab" (slave) that came from the word "rabota" (work), not the other way round (as you're trying to say here).
@Artur_M.
@Artur_M. Жыл бұрын
Great video! If I may add something, I think that another reason why Slavic people often react negatively to the mentioning of the etymological connection between 'Slav' and 'slave', is that it's often presented in a simplified (like in your thumbnail) or reversed way, implying that Slavs _means_ slaves. As you explained in the video the etymology of the ethnonym Slav and its equivalents in other languages (including the original Slavic endonyms) is different. We are "the people of the word (and/or glory)", while others, like Germans, are "mutes". 😉 Edit: The thumbnail picture was apparently changed. I also think that the early modern Ottoman-related slave trade in the Black Sea region, which you briefly mentioned near the end (and which inspired the painting _Tatar Captives_ by Tadeusz Popiel used in the video) is a large, interesting, complex, and underappreciated topic, which could get its own video. I can recommend the paper _Slave hunting and slave redemption as a business enterprise: the northern Black Sea region in the sixteenth to seventeenth centuries_ by Dariusz Kołodziejczyk as a good source. Finally, I really like that you distinguished between slavery and serfdom. Explaining exactly how and why these systems are not the same thing could easily be the topic of yet another video, maybe combined with explaining why serfdom survived longer and even intensified in much of Eastern (and Central, depending on the definition) Europe while disappearing in the Western part.
@MLaserHistory
@MLaserHistory Жыл бұрын
Fair points. The serfdom topic is, yeah, too big for me to cover at the moment I'd say.
@MLaserHistory
@MLaserHistory Жыл бұрын
As for my thumbnail, yeah, kind of played the algorithm game there :D
@belisarius1453
@belisarius1453 Жыл бұрын
Nice explanation of origins of word Slavic. Would also add that in times before Christianity there was a custom of respecting dead ancestors among Slavs - remnant of that is visible in today ortodox Serbs who have custom "Slava" where they venerate saint protector of their family which took origins of venerating ancestors
@pukpukkrolik
@pukpukkrolik Жыл бұрын
“Slava” appears to have a parallel etymology to latin “fame” - both are variations of “speak” in respective language branches. (I think it’s safe and easy to see the connection between “famous” and “spoken of”.) In contrast, “gloria” has different origins, and “chwala/chvala/xvala” yet another.
@Dreju78
@Dreju78 Жыл бұрын
The simple explanation of why serfdom survived longer in yhe east is usually given as 'black death killed more people in the west than the east, creating worker shortage, in turn creating better treatement and rights for those who would work'. I agree that a deeper dive into the subject would be a great video. I'm sure there are also cultural reasons too, and I'm looking here towards Muscovy specifically, where serfdom survived extremly long.
@thormusique
@thormusique Жыл бұрын
Being a Slav myself (Polish), I just want to say that this is a wonderful exposition and very well done, thank you!
@ancalagon1144
@ancalagon1144 Жыл бұрын
In Swedish, the two words are spelled and pronounced exactly the same. To the point of it feeling strange to ask someone if they're Slavic in the noun form. Since you're literally asking them if they're a slave. Or the other way around I guess.
@MuddahFukkah
@MuddahFukkah Жыл бұрын
Wow. Interesting.
@TheBarser
@TheBarser Жыл бұрын
Its the same in danish, but the pronunciation is different. Slaver and Sla'ver. Spelling is the same though
@mao_zhu_xi
@mao_zhu_xi Жыл бұрын
Samme her i Norge
@Jan-cz3vx
@Jan-cz3vx Жыл бұрын
In finland we call em "orja" originating from aryan. Massive cope but intresting non the less
@randomcomment6068
@randomcomment6068 Жыл бұрын
There are some words that are way to similar for a coincidence. Like: oganj (fire) Croatian -ugn (oven) Swedish - agni (fire) in Sanskrt. Or: jamrati (to whine, moa) Slovene, jämra sig (moan, whine) Swedish. Pretty freaky if you ask me. But then, proto Indo European is our common ancestor language, so...
@SilverTooth666
@SilverTooth666 Жыл бұрын
Incredibly well done video. I always wondered why the first Polish Kingdom (I'm Polish) was so empty compared to Germany or anyone in the west and why the west was so much richer right from the start of medieval history. This explains both. But it's extremely upsetting.
@AS-010o0
@AS-010o0 11 ай бұрын
Agree it is upsetting. Pozdrawiam!
@TheGeneralGrievous19
@TheGeneralGrievous19 10 ай бұрын
Saying that Poland was 'empty' and Western Europe was 'richer' because of slave trade is not factual. Maybe it played some part in Western Europe getting richer, but definetly was not source of the difference. Lands beyond what Romans called Germania were just more isolated form the rest of the world, more forested, less urbanized etc. they did not had any Roman influence which played a major part in Western Europe being more advanced in early and high Middle Ages as well as no direct contact with Byzantine and Arabic worlds. There was less people in the lands that would became Poland and it was poorer before the Slavic slave trade even started.
@richardmedzihradsky7952
@richardmedzihradsky7952 11 ай бұрын
The weird thing is, this is (at least in some slavic countries) not discussed in schools. School history books I and many of my slavic friends went through have no mentions of this. Were it not for this video, I probably wouldn't even know this ever happened. As for the defensiveness, I don't think it's as much of an issue as the video states. Either because, like myself, people don't really know about this, or because this was something that happened long ago, and we got over it. But I think it's a good reminder of what our ancestors went through, of the hardships a medieval person faced, and can even be seen as a sort of victory over the anti-slavic propaganda mentioned. I'm not ashamed of being a slav, nor for the things that happened to those before me. The shame should be on those who were responsible for these immoral acts.
@yochibambii
@yochibambii Жыл бұрын
All I can say, as a slav, is that slavic people never catch a break lmao 😄
@cyklonbnaszkodniki3616
@cyklonbnaszkodniki3616 Жыл бұрын
The main problem with the identification of the words "Slav" and "slave" is that some people believe that the ethnonym comes from the western word while in fact the reverse story is true.
@karolw.5208
@karolw.5208 Жыл бұрын
As an ethnic Slav, I am glad that someone talks about this subject. It is hardly ever touched upon in Polish historiography - a feeling of shame, perhaps?
@frankyymilkyy9001
@frankyymilkyy9001 Жыл бұрын
I think so. But in the modern world people should learn not to be ashamed for being victims.
@omarrgab1090
@omarrgab1090 11 ай бұрын
if i was Slav i will not be proud causes i am Egyptian and egypt having great history but I am not glad
@TII331
@TII331 29 күн бұрын
​@@omarrgab1090what?
@sjelos
@sjelos 8 күн бұрын
It's because of the Catholic church impacting our education and focusing on the mass conversion to Christianity as a good thing, not a means of desperate salvation for the very victims of the brutal Christian west. So all history of our lands is taught more extensively post-conversion. Greetings from Croatia :)
@joethegeographer
@joethegeographer Жыл бұрын
Fascinating topic that deserves more attention. As a Slav, I approve!
@jtgd
@jtgd Жыл бұрын
As a descendant of slaves, I appreciate
@levingoodberg
@levingoodberg Жыл бұрын
A Blach slav? Sure..
@user-dv1zg1yk7t
@user-dv1zg1yk7t Жыл бұрын
@@levingoodberg in Slavic tradition the card is past down the father. If the house recognized the offspring as a descendant a name would be given and father's name and clan's name passed down.
@user-hy5cx9iu3l
@user-hy5cx9iu3l Жыл бұрын
@@levingoodberg mmm old good racism
@lenas6246
@lenas6246 11 ай бұрын
are you making this up? Ive never heard of this whatsoever. People usually care about country of origin if at all.@@user-dv1zg1yk7t
@DaRealKakarroto
@DaRealKakarroto Жыл бұрын
Fun fact: the term 'servus' is also used in (eastern) Austria as a greeting and/or as a goodbye. Sometimes changed to 'serwas' in dialect, it is a greeting for people who know each other or are of about the same social standing. You could greet someone not fitting this criteria (like a policeman in service, student to teacher [though that depends on the teacher], government official, ...) which would be seen as impolite, though not necessarily unfriendly. The background/meaning behind this greeting is to imply to the receiver of the greeting that they would be happy to help/serve if they would need something.
@andraslukacs1344
@andraslukacs1344 Жыл бұрын
This greeting may have a connection with the hungarian greeting szervus, which basicallly means hello, and usually used between firends. Hungary from the 11 century until 1920 had a big influence in eastern austria mainly in burgerland or in hungarian őrvidék which was under the hungrian crown for 400-500 years and inhabited by hungarians for a millenium
@blede8649
@blede8649 Жыл бұрын
The Italian greeting 'ciao' has the same meaning, only that actually comes from 'slave'. It was originally a Venetian term, from 's-ciavo' (from 'sclavo'). It also means 'at your service, how can I help you', but unlike 'servus' it is the general greeting used for informal circumstances.
@GotMadSkilllz
@GotMadSkilllz Жыл бұрын
@@andraslukacs1344 yeah but could you go to the root of the word and find the Hungarian origin? I think it is still the root is still the Romanic word for slave/slav
@pp-wo1sd
@pp-wo1sd Жыл бұрын
It's also used in ex-yu countries , but it's very rare
@GhostRider659
@GhostRider659 Жыл бұрын
‚Servus‘ is also used this way by Bavarians
@teetman322
@teetman322 Жыл бұрын
The word "slava" is literally translated to "glory", the word "slovo" is literally translated to "a letter" and the word "slaviti" is "to celebrate | to glorify". -> From that you can undeniably see that it is asociated of the glory or the people. And the reason people are defensive is because we know that most of the western audience is not intelligent enough to realize that Slav doesn't really mean slave in the native language (they tend to believe that all languages come from English), which is the only language that matters when discussing root of the word.
@yllbardh
@yllbardh Жыл бұрын
words are what we want them to be, there might be that it always hasn't had the same meaning as they have today 'cause as with everything words evolve to.
@9karol01
@9karol01 Жыл бұрын
Yeah I agree with you
@Hejirah
@Hejirah Жыл бұрын
depends which slavic language. in slovak, sláva also means fame/glory... slovo means word
@teetman322
@teetman322 Жыл бұрын
@@Hejirah It is exactly like I said then. The root of "slovo" is "a letter" or "a word", the root of slava is "glory/celebrate/fame". You may have misunderstood, by letter I don't mean post letter but a character symbol for a voice - things that make up a word.
@smiglo112
@smiglo112 Жыл бұрын
I feel like ppl get defensive because they somehow flip it in their minds from "Slave comes from Slav" to "Slav comes from Slave" and get offended by that. To me it simply shows either a severe problem with their skill to comprehend whatever it is they're reading/listening to OR they're just bad at English.
@gigachad7153
@gigachad7153 Жыл бұрын
Brother your videos are immaculate. I came from Oversimplified, and the first video I watched was the Vienna Coffee House Scene. From that point on, I was hooked. I like that video a lot, I still watch it again and again. And your ethnicity series is my most favourite. Keep going!
@MLaserHistory
@MLaserHistory Жыл бұрын
Thank you :)
@Rndm9
@Rndm9 Жыл бұрын
exactly the same here :D
@aceman0000099
@aceman0000099 Жыл бұрын
Guy called gigachad is obsessed with history oversimplified and ethnicities... Hmmmm i smell something
@diegoragot655
@diegoragot655 Жыл бұрын
@@aceman0000099 umm. What exactly??
@franekwojciechowicz3167
@franekwojciechowicz3167 Жыл бұрын
Just recently in Poland we started to grasp how the founder of Poland, Mieszko I had gained his wealth and power. He was a slave supplier for the west and Caliphate. Most probably the profits allowed him to gather a personal army to further enslave more other Slavic tribes and to protect those who fell under his rule.
@alexsawa2956
@alexsawa2956 Жыл бұрын
Same thing happened in Africa so not surprising
@wonderb0lt
@wonderb0lt Жыл бұрын
Yes, indeed, you *have* introduced me to an interesting topic. Even though I consider myself to be somewhat knowledgeable in history, I didn't even know about the Slavic slave trade! Thanks, great video and a good start to learn about the topic!
@n.v.9000
@n.v.9000 Жыл бұрын
More Americans should see this and take history in account when talking about slavery... When you watch Americans talk about it it look like slavery only happened in Usa
@Lorei230
@Lorei230 Жыл бұрын
from their point of view usa is the only place there is
@SoHanged
@SoHanged Күн бұрын
Yes, or even that only sub-Saharan African people were victims of the "white colonizers" (as if the Americans did not originate from them...), when in reality slavery affected everyone and was implemented by anyone.
@PakBallandSami
@PakBallandSami Жыл бұрын
this is a very interesting topic imo because we all know about the what the western european did when we talk about slavery but rarely talk about stuff like this
@BaronvonLeon
@BaronvonLeon 7 ай бұрын
As a slav I am glad that at least the word for Slavs doesn't come from word "slaves" but vice versa.
@alessandro_natali
@alessandro_natali Жыл бұрын
Really an informative video. Also, as a Sardinian I didn't know that Sardinians were the slaves of choice for the Genoese in the Middle Ages. And I studied Medieval Sardinian History at the University... sometimes they don't tell you the whole picture. Glad I got this on my notifications.
@juanbarbosasiguenza5883
@juanbarbosasiguenza5883 Жыл бұрын
I´m curious, what tells in sardinia about the andalusian pirates presence? because in spain we learn that the coast of corsica and sardinia were controlles by the raiders from Almeria, were the interior was in control of the sardinian judicati. Some great Taifa kings were saqaliba from sardinia, like Muyahid of denia, who tries to conquer the island.
@alessandro_natali
@alessandro_natali Жыл бұрын
@@juanbarbosasiguenza5883 We do know about the Saracens from North Africa and the Emirate of Denia and all that. I would say that there are some inaccuracies in some maps about Sardinia being part of the Caliphate (which is not true). But yeah, we talk about how we asked Pisa and Genoa to help us get rid of the "Arabs", but I wouldn't say they had control over the coasts. Yes, it was unsafe, dangerous even, to live close to the sea, but the Muslim raiders never established full control. There is, however proof of Muslim people living in Cagliari because we found inscriptions in Arabic on some tombs...
@Tu51ndBl4d3
@Tu51ndBl4d3 Жыл бұрын
@@alessandro_natali Moors* not arabs
@pawlukarz5773
@pawlukarz5773 Жыл бұрын
No worries Słowianie/Slovanský/Cлавянскія , Słowianin/Славян/Slovan an indigenous inhabitant of Europe does not come from Niewolnik/otrok/раб(servus/sclavus....).The evidence for this is simple but not to be groundless(gołoSŁOWNYM) it takes a lot of words(SŁÓW). SAVE YOUR LIFE IT'S NO SŁOWIANIN/Славян/Slovan !.
@StillGamingTM
@StillGamingTM Жыл бұрын
This is an interesting time, we can now compare stories we’ve been told and weren’t told. Sort of like finally laying the pieces to a massive puzzle that’s been built up for thousands of years
@undergroundfamous264
@undergroundfamous264 Жыл бұрын
Hands down, one of the best videos every made. I will have it shown in some friends who are history teachers' classrooms. Well researched and the presentation is amazing for those who love and know history. Bravo!
@bvthebalkananarchistmapper5642
@bvthebalkananarchistmapper5642 Жыл бұрын
I only had a surface level awareness of this topic before watching the video. Might want to look into this more (once the ongoing cramming period of this uni semester is done ofc). An interesting piece of trivia, since al-Andalus was mentioned here: the (mostly) Slavic Saqaliba slaves there became an important part of the Andalusi army and government, even becoming a political faction / interest group to rival and vie for influence with the existing Mawali (Arabic), Berber and Muwallad (mixed or native Iberian muslim) factions in the establishment. When the caliphate of Cordoba broke apart into the First Ta'ifa Period, some of the new states were ruled by Saqaliba, with those among them who weren't eunuchs (rare) even forming relatively-short-lived dynasties. Most notable were the Amirids of Denia, who had a large fleet, raided their neighbours, and their founder, Mujahid, even tried invading Sardinia (tho ultimately he was rebuffed by a Pisan-Genoese-Papal intervention)
@LuisAldamiz
@LuisAldamiz Жыл бұрын
Yes, that's true. It's because Muslims often used slaves as troops, presumably more loyal to their master because of (initial) lack of clan-belonging (cf. Mamluks, Jannisaries, etc.) A variant of that type of slave promotion was also used by Charlemagne, who made many of his slaves into nobles (to the grudge of his established nobles) also because they had no other loyalties and thus were generally more trustworthy.
@juanbarbosasiguenza5883
@juanbarbosasiguenza5883 Жыл бұрын
Very true, also the centralization of th estae under the caliphate mades that the caliph tries to weakened the jund (arab hereditary proffesional army) and iqta'dar (more or less feudal armies) arab and muwalladi armies in favor of a proffesional armies of saqaliba mamluks loyal to their own and berber and galician mercenaries, not related to the power gropus in cordoba. A little side note the mawali were not arabs, but clients of any ethnic origin. For example the conqueror of Cordoba was a sirian-Roman Mawali called Mugith.
@miriam7779
@miriam7779 Жыл бұрын
Your story may not have such a happy beginning, but that doesn't make you who you are. It is the rest of your story....Who you choose to be. (I love this quote from Kung Fu Panda😀)
@MLaserHistory
@MLaserHistory Жыл бұрын
Very true, great quote.
@JaykPuten
@JaykPuten Жыл бұрын
Thank you for making this video, I actually learned something today (as some historical KZbin videos feel like shortened versions of longer videos on other KZbin channels) I could see how some history KZbin channels would avoid the topic altogether, and being Slavic (Polish) myself, I appreciate an historical video that is based on history Keep up the good work, even if it means taking a risk that the comment section of the video could become a super controversial discussion area I can't wait for the next video!
@markdombrovan8849
@markdombrovan8849 Жыл бұрын
this is a very interesting topic that rarely gets brought up! Good work, as always, we respect it
@RealMajora
@RealMajora Жыл бұрын
wake up babe new M. Laser History just dropped
@Englishjdndndbdbv
@Englishjdndndbdbv 11 ай бұрын
When I started learning English, I was surprised that the Slav (славянин, славянка) and the slave (раб) are spelled similarly, but to be fair, these words are read differently. It is noteworthy that in my Russian language, a Slav is consonant with the word glory, and the Slavs (славяне) can literally be understood as glory guys. And the word slave (раб) in Russian is cognate word with words like work (работа), employee (работник) and mb robot (робот). I want to say that in Russian these two words are not connected in any way, they do not have a common etymology and are not related to each other. In the Russian Empire there was a type of slavery - serfdom (крепостничество). The owner of a serf (крепостной, крепостная) could sell, lose at cards, or marry against the will of his/her serf. But again, these words are also not related to the subject.
@mr.cauliflower3536
@mr.cauliflower3536 Жыл бұрын
I think that slav coming from the word for "word" makes more sense, since it would mean "that which can speak" while the other people, were called non-speaking (even today, the Polish word for Germans is "Niemcy")
@marekbalaz6933
@marekbalaz6933 Жыл бұрын
Gread video. You really know a lot of obscure topics. It's great to have a youtuber like you.
@higgaroc
@higgaroc Жыл бұрын
This was absolutely fascinating - I just learned so much, wow! Thank you, happy holidays!
@dejanmasnic584
@dejanmasnic584 Жыл бұрын
Slavic means glory in slavic languages. We celebrate slava in serbian. Miroslav for example means one with peace and glory
@TheQwertzschuerfer
@TheQwertzschuerfer Жыл бұрын
In much of southern Germany "Servus" is still used a greeting to this day. With slightly informal connotation, due to it being percieved as a local dialect/oddity. It´s use like that dates back to the noted High Middle Age, where it entered the general German vocabulary as a formal greeting with the inital literal meaning of "at (your) service".
@Eskalante
@Eskalante Жыл бұрын
Funny that we in Slovakia use servus and also Italian Ciao, but our main informal greetings is Ahoj.
@botondhetyey159
@botondhetyey159 11 ай бұрын
​@@EskalanteIn Hungarian, we also use servus, (szervusz) and ciao (csáó), but that latter is considered very informal, it's almost weird if you are older then 30 and use it
@xymyan
@xymyan Жыл бұрын
The self-designation Slovani is likely derived from Slovo (word, speech), since Germans in pretty much all of the Slavic languages are called Němci, which literally means mutes or mute people, meaning that Slovani are the ones who speak an understandable language, while Němci (mutes) speak an unknown language. The word Němci may have even been used to refer to anyone who isn't a Slav, but became specifically used for Germans, the most constant and active of the Slavs' neighbors, as well as, historically, their main rivals EDIT: Also, the word Slava (fame, glory) may also derive from Slovo (word), since it may mean something like "being spoken about", just like the word fame itself is derived from the Latin word for rumor, fama. In Czech, there is also a synonym for fame "věhlas", whose root is "hlas" (voice)
@Pepper0ni
@Pepper0ni Жыл бұрын
Wrong. Němci reffered as mutes is a modern word meaning. The original source/meaning was those who do not own property.
@Hejirah
@Hejirah Жыл бұрын
@@Pepper0ni hey that's interesting. in slovak, nemá = doesn't have, nemý = mute/voiceless
@xymyan
@xymyan Жыл бұрын
@@Pepper0ni You're the very first person I've ever witnessed suggesting that. If that were true, I reckon the word would be formed something like Nemějci or Nemajci, instead of Němci. Not to mention that the word Němec is not actually used for someone who is literally mute (instead you use the core adjective, "němý", to refer to such person), while Němec would be used to emphasize that you're not referring to an actual mute person, but to a member of a tribe(s) of "mutes", and most Slavs probably don't even realize they're calling Germans mutes, since the exonym Němci LOST the meaning "mute", not the other way around, so calling it modern is a bit weird. Where have you learned this? And are you a Slav yourself?
@DoubleDwarf
@DoubleDwarf Жыл бұрын
Thank you for this video. I also had a pushback towards the idea of "slave" deriving from "slav", but your video changed my mind. I didn't have any prejudice against the etymology itself, but there were a lot of empty spaces, especially with "servus" which you made very clear.
@DoubleDwarf
@DoubleDwarf Ай бұрын
@@snezhanafs read again, you arguing against the point i never made. It's common knowledge that the ethnonym itself is of slavic origin
@LuziFearon
@LuziFearon Жыл бұрын
The last thing you say might be the most important one over all - pretending history didn't happend or re-writing it to feel better prevents us from learning from it
@grayghost7216
@grayghost7216 11 ай бұрын
Slavic history. "And then it got worse."
@chubbymoth5810
@chubbymoth5810 Жыл бұрын
I found thus extremely well explained. Great educational value here. Thank you!
@groucho1080p
@groucho1080p Жыл бұрын
the italian world "ciao" comes from venetian "slavo", meaning "i am your slave" it was meant as a respectful way to salute but then became the common
@jindrichdolejs623
@jindrichdolejs623 Жыл бұрын
And in Czech Republic "servus" is still sometimes used (rarely though) and if I remember correctly it comes from university students who used to use it as greetings around the end of 19th century
@billdehappy1
@billdehappy1 Жыл бұрын
@@jindrichdolejs623 servus is also a greeting in parts of germany...eastern ofcourse
@billdehappy1
@billdehappy1 Жыл бұрын
so kinda 'your humble servant' and such often nobles ended their letters by?
@groucho1080p
@groucho1080p Жыл бұрын
@@billdehappy1 saluti
@billdehappy1
@billdehappy1 Жыл бұрын
@@groucho1080p salve! i dident know about that and im useing ciao daily pretty much at end of phone calls or such haha t'aven loschalo vináshta
@VuldGarsk
@VuldGarsk Ай бұрын
Hard times create strong slavs, strong slavs create hard times
@jeepmega629
@jeepmega629 Жыл бұрын
What an interesting topic! Thank you for covering it!
@excelynite
@excelynite Ай бұрын
Lol, people in Eastern Europe use the word "Servus" as a greeting today. It's used in Romania and I heard germans use it. I had no idea it actually means slave 😂
@AyakashixKitsune
@AyakashixKitsune Жыл бұрын
This is so good! Such underated topic worth exploring and my favourite KZbin historian just dropped a gem. Thank you as always for a great and well put video and hope you've recovered from your illness. P.S.:Thanks for added anti-Czech posters. I did not have an idea something like that even existed.
@sipek9488
@sipek9488 Жыл бұрын
wdym by anticzech
@AyakashixKitsune
@AyakashixKitsune Жыл бұрын
@@sipek9488 the two posters in the video. You can find the description in the pinned comment by M. Laser along with time stamps.
@schakalix
@schakalix Жыл бұрын
As a Slav I approve of this! Very informative video! 👍🏼
@bogdanilic7346
@bogdanilic7346 Жыл бұрын
You're going to leave such a bomb, with a Romanian name and surname, and refuse to elaborate?
@popacristian2056
@popacristian2056 Жыл бұрын
Am trait sa o aud si pe asta! Mesteree... Explica-te te rog! Sau ai mancat cucuta ruZa?! 🤔
@daniel-zh9nj6yn6y
@daniel-zh9nj6yn6y Жыл бұрын
@@popacristian2056 Ce-a scris ?
@popacristian2056
@popacristian2056 Жыл бұрын
@@daniel-zh9nj6yn6y Nu vezi?... cica el este slav desi are nume curat romanesc, "Ioan Stefanescu"!
@daniel-zh9nj6yn6y
@daniel-zh9nj6yn6y Жыл бұрын
@@popacristian2056 Acum vad. In comentarii e vizibil doar numele schakalix, nu am intrat si pe profilul lui.
@Slaweniskadela
@Slaweniskadela Жыл бұрын
Another great video! It was a joy to watch! Vďaka :)
@steve-oh4342
@steve-oh4342 Жыл бұрын
one thing is for certain, the concept of what we today would call slavery has been going on since the dawn of human civilization and is sadly still going on all over the world today....
@stonefish1318
@stonefish1318 11 ай бұрын
Thats was very interesting. Havent found any other clip explaining these topic so complete and well done!
@ismayonnaiseaninstrument8700
@ismayonnaiseaninstrument8700 Жыл бұрын
This really puts the whole Afroamerican Slave Trade and that 20th century Eugenics movement into context. Even before that bigoted ‘White supremacy’ was a notion, it seems ‘Saxon and Germanic supremacy’ fathered it. Or rather, ‘slavery’ as a whole is as antiquated an system as the cultures that thrived on it. But it’s certainly more complex than expected. History doesn’t always repeat, but it always rhymes…
@crusader646
@crusader646 Жыл бұрын
Even Germanics were enslaved, check out the Barbary slave trade.
@ismayonnaiseaninstrument8700
@ismayonnaiseaninstrument8700 Жыл бұрын
@@crusader646 Damn, I just Wiki’d that. Pirates are f’king brutal.
@vstefferrazzi9690
@vstefferrazzi9690 Жыл бұрын
Very interesting video! I actually knew the etymology of the word "slave" but I didn't know the full story behind it, which you thoroughly described here. As a curiosity, I can add that in Italy we have a lot of last names referring to the meaning of Slav through old Italian "schiavo" or "schiavone": these last names and all their variations are a little ambiguous nowadays cause the word "schiavo" only means "slave" in modern Italian, while Slav or Slavic is translated to "slavo". As family names, they arguably refer to an ethnic origin (Slavic) rather than a social status (slave), just like a lot of Italian last names referring to several ethnic origins (for instance Greco, Albanese, Spagnolo, Tedesco, Franzese, Turco, Ungaro, Saracino, etc.).
@LuisAldamiz
@LuisAldamiz Жыл бұрын
So you think that "Schiavo" as surname does not necessarily mean slave origins? I would think that makes sense in the Venetian sphere, where many areas (Friuli but also Istria and Dalmatia) used to be Slavic (are still in the Croatian cases), however elsewhere it's almost certain that it would mean "slave". This should be particularly true in the case of Genoese roots because, for what I've found, they were the most active slave traders (Crimean holdings, which became strangled after the fall of Constantinople to the Turks) and were pivotal in the shift from Medieval Slavic slave trade to the Modern African slave trade, typically via their establishment in Portugal (Columbus is paradigmatic in this).
@vstefferrazzi9690
@vstefferrazzi9690 Жыл бұрын
​@@LuisAldamiz I actually assume that both of these two origins merged into the spread of such last names in Italy. If you ask me which one has been more influential though, I think the ethnic one is and not only in the Venetian sphere, which was certainly affected by the Slavic culture and heritage, but also elsewhere in the country. Last names like Schiavo and Schiavone, for example, are common in some Southern Italian regions such Apulia, Campania and Sicily: Schiavone in particular is less ambiguous than Schiavo since it only meant Slavic in old Italian and is widespread in Apulia, which lies just across the Adriatic coastline (close enough to former Yugoslavia). Slavs also founded some towns (Peschici in Northern Apulia is an example), even though they didn't reach the same extent of the Albanian-Italian communities of Southern Italy (so-called Arbereshe communities), which still exist to this day and preserve their own culture.
@vlastimil-furst
@vlastimil-furst 10 ай бұрын
As a Slav from Czechia, I don't find the word "slave" offensive at all. I find it rather educative these days. It lets people know that slavery affected Caucasian white people so much that it was actually named after that broad ethnic group. This dismisses the ideology that pushes it as something that affected mostly Black people and that stems from racism. And all this just takes a person looking for etymology of the word "slave". It's all contained there.
@flexparachute
@flexparachute 6 ай бұрын
It actually brings light on the Black slave trade too - they were targeted because they were not Christians in the same way the Slavs were not Christians too. Not because of racism but because of religion. In the Middle Ages religion was way more important than skin color. Unfortunately skin color became important later in history.
@vlastimil-furst
@vlastimil-furst 6 ай бұрын
@@flexparachute Quite honestly, even if race was important in some era, today it isn't nearly as important as the far right or far left wants us to believe. For an employer seeking cheap labor, your skin tone is not very important. Your work ethics and your willingness to put up with their s**t is what they care about. And in some cases it's pretty close to slave labor or human trafficking.
@yrobtsvt
@yrobtsvt Жыл бұрын
Fantastic video, I love that you highlighted which cities were slave trade hubs. In America slave markets get marked on maps these days because chattel slavery was so recent and so horrible. With Europe I'm guessing not even memory remains
@blede8649
@blede8649 Жыл бұрын
I think some place names still hint at it. The Riva degli Schiavoni in Venice (meaning Slavs' Waterfront) comes to mind, it was named after the Slavic merchants that traded there, maybe in slaves. Other than that, I can't say.
@LuisAldamiz
@LuisAldamiz Жыл бұрын
It does remain but this video only shallowly touched on that: Prague first and Krakow later were the main slave trading hubs and very related to the expansion of Ashkenazi Jews (who were very active in the slave trade) eastwards (they were originally from France). In the East Byzantium (Constantinople) and the mentioned Crimean holdings (later in Genoese hands) were fundamental, as well as the Rus (Kiev, Novgorod) and Khazar (Saray, Astrakhan) cities. There was also early African slave trade in the Muslim areas, largely provided by the almost never mentioned Kanem-Bornu realm (since the 8th century) in the Chad region with routes heading to Egypt primarily.
@MrCmon113
@MrCmon113 Жыл бұрын
It's barely mentioned in history class, instead there is given great importance to specific political conflicts during the middle ages, then when it comes to Nazism, that gets flipped and it's all about guilt-tripping. I vaguely remember hearing that being a serf wasn't good and that many weren't allowed to leave a certain area, but nothing about slavery, be it Vikings or Germanics or Barbary Corsairs.
@Rea84
@Rea84 Жыл бұрын
This was incredibly interesting, thank you!
@nickhughes336
@nickhughes336 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for this video and others, and for the way in which you contextualize different aspects of history
@MLaserHistory
@MLaserHistory Жыл бұрын
Thank you :)
@TheDonJaro
@TheDonJaro 4 ай бұрын
-"Is that because I'm black?"- "Is that because I'm Slav?"
@geralddavino5213
@geralddavino5213 6 ай бұрын
The research involved in this is very impressive, but this format obscures just how much thought and investigation went into this video presentation. Thank you for all you have done.
@plasma2942
@plasma2942 Жыл бұрын
Finally a short and concise tutorial on how to get into the slave trade
@commandergreetv753
@commandergreetv753 Жыл бұрын
Small fun fact here: Servus is actually used as a greet (or sometimes also as a farwell) in southern Germany/Bavaria
@flea1985
@flea1985 Жыл бұрын
Smaller fun fact it was used in Poland too for a greet. Now its not popular but few years ago I herd it from time to time.
@Danil_M_2009
@Danil_M_2009 11 ай бұрын
When you realise Bohemians are technically Slavs too
@RedB3aronch
@RedB3aronch Жыл бұрын
I liked this video a lot, the audio was just right, pictures were cool, I didn't know much about the subject and am now introduced.
@sirmonkas4879
@sirmonkas4879 11 ай бұрын
Informative and well presented video, thanks for putting this stuff together!
@TankMarko
@TankMarko Жыл бұрын
Great video! Much love from Slovenia
@Starfool2erepublik
@Starfool2erepublik Жыл бұрын
Slavs it originates from Slavic word Slava, in literal translation "those who are praised"
@IvanTheDecent
@IvanTheDecent Жыл бұрын
Thank you for making this video brother.
@clivecato5923
@clivecato5923 14 күн бұрын
Respect ! As a british black man of Caribbean decent, I'm so glad that the truth of a global trade is smashing the myth that black people were somehow the only or most traded of ethnicities as some of us use this to bash white (loose term), and other ethnicities into somehow feeling guilty of their part in the trade (largely with the complicity of Africans of the time).
@banacmiodrag4867
@banacmiodrag4867 Жыл бұрын
Servus is used as a greeting by Germans mostly. I am of Slavic origin and this slav = slave thing was on my mind for some time, thanks for covering this topic. :)
@calinalexandru5446
@calinalexandru5446 Жыл бұрын
in Transilvania people ussualy salute each other with "servus", meaning " I am your servant/slave" like a form of generosity and respect, " I want to help you and I want to suport you". Servus is the most popular form of salute among romanians, hungarians, germans and other living in Transilvania even now.
@popacristian2056
@popacristian2056 Жыл бұрын
In Muntenia este folosit mai rar si doar cu sensul de "Salut!"
@calinalexandru5446
@calinalexandru5446 Жыл бұрын
@@popacristian2056 tot cu sensul de salut este folosit si in Ardeal dar la origine semnificatia era de "sunt sluga dumneavoastra".
@MrCmon113
@MrCmon113 Жыл бұрын
Seems to be very widespread things, since this is common in southern Germany, too.
@calinalexandru5446
@calinalexandru5446 Жыл бұрын
@@MrCmon113 very interesting. It is common in Hungary, Czech Republic and Austria, basically in former Habsburgic Empire
@attilamarics3374
@attilamarics3374 Жыл бұрын
@@calinalexandru5446 Its not common in Hungary. You dont hear it daily. I dont even remember the last time I heard it.
@aleksdurbazeva
@aleksdurbazeva Жыл бұрын
Loved loved loved this. Great job dude
@Tybold63
@Tybold63 Жыл бұрын
Excellent video and it further clarifies the fragmented knowledge I so far encountered about the etymology of the word slave vs Slavic, slava etc....
@Kobbize
@Kobbize Жыл бұрын
I'm always a fan of your videos. Thanks for the comment on 9:07, same goes for Ibrahim Ibn Yacub (11:35) The Norse, and the Saqaliba... I was about to write a critical note ;D But I partially understand your intention. Excellent work, Excellent video!
@comentedonakeyboard
@comentedonakeyboard 5 ай бұрын
Marx and Hitler agreed in Antislavic prejudices how unsurprising
@Donderu
@Donderu Жыл бұрын
Excellent video and great comments, adding relevant footnotes to an already interesting topic. You gained a sub from me
@midori4352
@midori4352 Жыл бұрын
Very informative! Thank you for the video!
@elforeigner3260
@elforeigner3260 Жыл бұрын
“Slavs” mean “those who speak” in comparison with “Nemets” than mean “mutes” or “mumblers” to describe anyone who doesn’t speak Slavic language. In the same sense Greeks called “barbarians” to anyone who didn’t speak an Hellenic language (barbar: mumbler) PD: Austrians say “servus” as a greeting, in the sense “at your service”
@zxcvzxcvzxvzcvzxcv
@zxcvzxcvzxvzcvzxcv Жыл бұрын
an interesting and well researched video that confirms my more shallow investigations. this is a lesser known but significant part of European history. it is my opinion that a quiet/unspoken and more civilized untermensch attitude towards Slavs is still present in Western and Northern Europe, primarily in Germanic countries. long forgotten history has a long perserverance in informal culture. on the other hand, the mentality and governance in most of Eastern Europe still has a significant post-slavery aspect that provides a feedback loop to that. but things are changing via the new big mixing up due to open borders, interaction, peace, freedom and prosperity, thankfully
@coalminor
@coalminor Жыл бұрын
Thanks for this video, very good. Will check more your work, keep it up!!!
@paolazuffinetti
@paolazuffinetti Жыл бұрын
Thanks for this exceptional documentary! I love the teaching of history when matched with etymology, maps and pictures, it helps having the true picture. I'll keep watching!
@noreply-7069
@noreply-7069 Жыл бұрын
It's a really interesting topic. The Finnish word for slave (orja) actually comes from Aryan (arjalainen) because Finnic tribes supposedly took lots of Indo-Aryan speaking people as prisoners and sold them off to slavery.
@Lena-cz6re
@Lena-cz6re Жыл бұрын
That's interesting, but Germans are not Aryan at all. Aryan relates to Indo-Iranian peoples/languages.
@Ghreinos
@Ghreinos Жыл бұрын
To be fair slaves were taken from all sides, especially when tribes were at war. The Roman empire also took germanics and gaulic people as slaves. The only thing I would be curious about is why they named it after the Slavs exactly, were they the most slaves or held on to the longest as slaves.
@noreply-7069
@noreply-7069 Жыл бұрын
@@Lena-cz6re Absolutely, my mistake. I was trying to convey that Finns captured lots of people speaking Indo-Aryan languages, and Arya (Arja) means “man” in that language. It eventually came to be synonymous in Finnish language with the word slave.
@diegoragot655
@diegoragot655 Жыл бұрын
@@noreply-7069 Finno-Ugric people interacting with IEs way back in the day (3000 b.C. maybe when IEs called themselves Aryans)
@liamboote225
@liamboote225 Жыл бұрын
Great video. That debate about the slave trade and the orgins of the Western European economic boost sounds interesting. Don't know much about it, but like you said, if it is even being discussed in an academic way it is worth taking a look at.
@LuisAldamiz
@LuisAldamiz Жыл бұрын
My understanding of Medieval Economic shifts in Europe is that it was much more based on the textile trade first along the Champagne fairs (which linked Provence and thus Italy) with the Frankish heartland in the Low Rhine area, via Lyon and North France, and later around the growth of Flanders and also the Italian city-states of the Renaissance. However, such emphasis on the textiles may be only part of the picture because the slave trade is rather taboo (it does occasionally gets mentioned but not as economic driver, rather as a side-note). Another key issue that is brought up when studying Medieval economic history of Europe is the huge agricultural development of "Northern Europe" (rather mid-Northern, i.e. not so much Scandinavia but around Belgium again) thanks to the heavy plough and the horse collar (both probably invented by the Chinese), which allowed the deep soils of Atlantic Europe to become fully productive, while it had no impact in the shallow Mediterranean soils instead. That's probably why "Northern Europe" became more and more important economically: not so much trade but productive economy, which was largely agricultural and to lesser but growing extent manufacturer (textiles, metallurgy/weapons).
@majawn
@majawn Жыл бұрын
Excellent presentation, thank you!
@user-wl1uz5sb9f
@user-wl1uz5sb9f 4 ай бұрын
This was just excellent. This channel is so underrated!
@CAR_T
@CAR_T 11 ай бұрын
"Slav" means "word". Slavs means people who can talk. Contrary to Germany - literally called "non-talking". Simple and clear.
@swagkachu3784
@swagkachu3784 8 ай бұрын
Slav means slave
@throwdiceentertainme
@throwdiceentertainme Жыл бұрын
One learns something new every day thank you for the knowledge
@placek7125
@placek7125 11 ай бұрын
Your channel is really high quality. Good job
@hallvardlundehervig5508
@hallvardlundehervig5508 Жыл бұрын
Fantastic video once again!
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