Intuition: Ne vs Ni

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[@HitomiAyumu]

"So let's take at the Google so we know how to do it wrong" XD

[@Laura-et2xj]

". . . and you're happy when you've narrowed it down because you're a psycho IJ"

[@Aquilatrix666]

feel personally attacked

[@dustinhawkins7634]

so this claims that people who wanna know their personality is IxxJ? they want to narrow down what their personality is, i disagree. it simply means they have Si in stack or Ni in stack. which 50% and 50% of types have.

[@trevorfrayne6418]

I agree. INTJ most of my life and I kind of sit on the fence now as E/INTJ. I'm a little less psycho, but I'm still psycho. Lol

[@cory99998]

@@dustinhawkins7634 We all use every function. But we're probably more likely to explore all of the personality types and not land on one because we keep seeing potential in each one where you guys zero in on the correct one quickly

[@masontheartist]

Sounds like this is kind of why Ni harps/gets obsessed on an idea/hobby; while Ne tend to bounce around on ideas. Thanks for breakdown. The gathering vs organizing is a good metaphore.

[@StanTheWoz]

"IJs are obsessed with control"...no sarcasm, that's actually really accurate.

[@kjdaniels3267]

This IJ can confirm

[@malenor4148]

Control over what?

[@rareaqqle]

@@malenor4148 anything really. Organizing books, cleaning, students... just organization in general

[@lauraw353]

I’m an ISFJ. I literally birthed at home and decided to homeschool because I didn’t want to have to jump through all the stupid hoops the hospital required and because I thought I could do a better job schooling my kids than the public school system that failed me. So far, my three kids are all happy, healthy, and very bright, so it seems to be working. But yes, I definitely like control.

[@Shadow77999]

Rip this couples children

[@anothernerdontheinternet]

The best way to understand Ni and Ne is understanding Se and Si. Se: very perceptive, lives off primary sensations and new experiences. Si: values experience, recalls the past easily, nostalgic. Ni: sees depth in the width of sensations gathered by Se, understands them and forms connections between them. Ne: sees a wide range of posibble connections, patterns and possibilities in the depth of the experiences recalled and organized by Si. Every intituition need a sensation that triggers it.

[@maartbeest]

As an INTP I am so happy with your video's, because I could never grasp the differences between Fi and Fe and Ne and Se and *WHATISTHIS*- they all sounded the same to me. When you explain them, it all makes sense. Even my confusion makes sense. I thought I was just too dumb to understand. So thank you.

[@SaphiraTheMongoose]

So basically, Ne is a MIND HOARDER

[@Shadow77999]

Relateable

[@Blackridge.]

@@Shadow77999 yet debatable

[@bellyfulochelly4222]

Aw that feels sadly accurate. 😒

[@ifonlyunu994]

absolutely. we want all the input we can get.

[@lalakuma9]

You call it hoard, I call it treasure. I'm not throwing any of this useless junk away.

[@einsame_Maria]

"And now you've narrowed it down. And you're happy that you've narrowed it down, because you're a psycho IJ, aren't ya?" - the most endearing thing, I have ever heard

[@stevenmcpeake3387]

I'm NE and my best mate is NI. I laughed watching this because I always vomit everything I've been looking into to him and go from topic to topic and he always has these eureka moments that I always appreciate.

[@chrisroibu]

Ah, fresh air of sanity. It's the first time that I see Mbti descriptions that reflect reality. People over complicate things way too much.

[@GojiGuru]

You just ticked off a lot of dominate Ni users. Good job.

[@ReeThealien]

the real ones probably don't care

[@ReeThealien]

iFciëL Thanks! :heart:

[@betheprotag]

Lmao who uses cognitive preference as a way to feel special, that’s cute

[@zain4019]

F13RY0N5L4UGHT Quite a lot of people. Feeling ostracized by society and learning that you may possess a rarer dominant function often results in people becoming defensive of these cognitive biases in their thinking- understandably, it’s what makes them unique within their social sphere.

[@SmittenKitten.]

How? I must have missed it.

[@lakegirl515]

I finally "got" Ne and Ni. Thank you. Now I'm off to gather some more info about Ne and Ni. But seriously, I finally had that a-ha! moment.

[@onlyheretowatchfailcompilation]

same

[@sophiaredwood5825]

Guessing you’re an Ne user from the gathering mention hahaha

[@cloudyxindomie5064]

@@sophiaredwood5825 lol😂

[@era1442]

@@sophiaredwood5825 ALWAYS NEEDING MORE. It's like we are rarely ever satisfied with the information we just found, but instead it makes us hungry for more connections, comparisons, more datapoints to get a bigger picture. For me at least, when I find a good video like this, it just energizes me to research even more and to contrast it to my past understanding. -INFP

[@BigBaibars]

@@era1442 so, is learning/reading books for example a usage of Ne?

[@Uejji]

Everybody who takes one of those web tests thinks they're an INTJ. I don't know what's up with those tests, but it seems like they spit out INTJ so often. I even thought I was an INTJ a long time ago because of one of those web tests.

[@pawneraser9022]

Uejji Everyone else and my mother is an INTJ for real. There isnt a way in hell she is. Everyone wants to be the socially inept rain man thats too smart for society. If I see another INFP masquerading as an INTJ im going to stab a cob skewer through my shaft.

[@ded4lyfe1]

Don’t, I’m ENFP

[@pamelam4]

A lot of people get INFJ too on those stupid tests... for such rare personality types they are pretty popular lol.

[@cmwhitacre]

pamelam4 A logical reason for that is because this kind of stuff is very fascinating for INFJs. Usually finding it on their own during their journey. They are popular online because that's where we hide out. That said there are definitely a lot of mistyped INFJs but there also is a reason for so many being online.

[@pamelam4]

cmwhitacre yeah I figured that might be part of it too, but I also know a lot of people who will tell me they got typed as INFJ and they are definitely not.

[@broadbandtogod]

4:46 EPIPHANY!! As an INTJ I've been really bummed out that my hunger for learning took a royal halt, but now it really makes sense! I'm studying bookkeeping, but I have started to study before applying to school in an attempt to make it easier later, but there are few or no images or representations of how everything in a company connects. This is KILLING me! So I gather the little i can, repeating exercises over and over so I atleast get to be good at the job itself, but holy SMOKES it is boring, and not because "it's boring", but because there are no general understanding to what relates to what. Doing detail oriented work, over and over and over, without the understanding how it all comes together is freaking HELL. But I blamed all this on myself, but with the knowledge that it is my weak side that is being challanged, a surge of motivation came back, so thank you!!

[@Nitoria.]

I read first acapit and thinking: "oh INTJ bookkeeping - you can be good if you want... how you deal with it, i'm interested how can he like it... maybe it's different bookkeeping I will ask if it is not b o r i n g for him" then read more... OK here we go haha

[@Nitoria.]

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[@puddintame7794]

Both... I love to gather new ideas and dwell on them interminably.

[@komradmango2305]

You pretty much nailed it on the Ne. This is why it's hard to start a project as for me.

[@Syogren]

Likely Ne over here. I'm great at starting projects! It's just finishing them or even going anywhere with them that's the problem. Or maybe that's another cognitive function entirely, who knows, I don't.

[@i_found_bacon5561]

StiffRime Syrogen is right, Ne doms are notoriously great starters bad finishers. Look up c.s. Joseph talk about temperaments. Finisher (aka see-it-through) types usually are the ones who find it hard to start a project

[@cdcs_edits]

Whereas for me, most likely an Ni user, I have trouble creating new projects. I make one, continue it, and start the next one (when inspired of course). I always finish mine. Isn’t it crazy how everyone in this world is so different yet similar? So cool.

[@Syogren]

Okay, so from that description I really sound a LOT more like an Ne than an Ni. I've just bounced from my homework to entertainment videos to this channel, and earlier in the morning I was trying to make a ROM Hack. This was a continuation from last night, which was preceded by working on some of my characters for a story, and the day before that I was working on video game sprites. That doesn't sound like someone who wants to sit still and organize his sh*t. I have to force myself to do that. And my imagination is rapid-fire. That's still true for the Ni, but that does rule out Se. And I THINK I'm Fi according to the previous video, since I don't give a f**k about other peoples' morals, because I like my morals, my morals are better, f**k your morals. Facts are optional, so that's not a Ti either. So if that's true, that puts me as either an Fi Ne or an Ne Fi. But I'm very much an introvert, screw dealing with the outside world and all that. So that would be Fi Ne for me, which puts me squarely in INFP territory. Incidentally, every Myers-Briggs test ever has spat out INFP when I've taken it, so they must know something... Can't wait to be proven completely wrong in your next video. Cheers.

[@pamelam4]

Your videos are too short. I wish you guys did like a podcast or something.

[@Decodeish1]

As a Ne, I disagree. /s

[@pamelam4]

Lol I have Ni (INFJ) so I guess that's why

[@Syogren]

FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT

[@entropy8000]

As an Ne I agree... more more more more more

[@nightcrawlergap1733]

Just because I prefer Ni, doesn't mean I prefer to organize obsessively. I like to do both, gather and organize. No type is relies strictly on their ego. If you have intuition in your ego, you are automatically versitile with your mind. We may all start with our raw ego, but we grow to eventually strengthen our weaknesses. Besides, I'd be able to tell if the thing you gathered for me is useless.

[@Sam-bc9ll]

YES, GOOGLE MAKES IT SO CONFUSING! They make it sound like dominant NE users are deities who can see the future. Thank you so much ☺️

[@sofia8574]

Ne is actually very different than Ni. Ni is like a glimpse of understanding out of nowhere and Ne is enthusiastic pattern recognition

[@furiousape7717]

I like how you don’t make anyone feel special for their cognitive functions. I’m not being sarcastic I genuinely enjoy that.

[@dougroberts5140]

Awesome. Great and simple explanation with some well placed sarcastic humor. Keep up the good work!

[@t3mporality]

Super interesting, fantastic to have you back! (Curious to hear what you're going to do with Ti vs. Ni in terms of "organizing.")

[@ovaiskaku7443]

Thanks Dave, you made my life easy..... even though I am an INFJ and most of the time seeking the big picture... but at times i was able to gather concept so I thought I am INFP too since they have Ne..... of course we can do both but we are comfortable with one thing... so many Internet videos and links and tests have distorted the true msg

[@vm44844]

Ni Dominant here: This makes alot of sense as i really enjoy listening to Enfps and Entps and often find myself trying to fit all their myriads of thought to a more structured and organised point. I was listening to Russell Brand (Enfp) earlier and instead of disregarding him as most sensors do, i often find myself compartementalizing his thoughts and adding them to the particular subjects of thought. And yesss been obsessing over Mbti for over a year or more now.

[@agapeentuboca]

So, intuition: ability to see things that are not there but that could be related or be possible to what it is actually there. Ni: unveil a deeper meaning in a reality Ne: weave new realities in a reality

[@lalalanding234]

Yass

[@DiegoBR]

No. There no "New realities". Only one.

[@TheAccumulation]

no, imagination

[@RoxanneRichardson]

A friend once described me as an information seeker, and she wasn't wrong. I used to think I couldn't finish a long term project, but it turns out I can, I just need to be learning new things the entire time.

[@RachelGerrard]

I think Jung said that all functions can operate in an imaginative state - he called it "phantasying", and it could be done unconsciously (phantasm) or consciously (imaginative activity): "Imagination....may come into play in all the basic forms of physic activity, whether thinking, feeling, sensation or intuition." "Phantasy as imaginative activity....is merely energy appearing in consciousness in the form of images or contents, just as physical energy also reveals itself as a definite physical state...." I also think Ni wouldn't "organise" - because that would imply some sort of logic or value judgement - but rather it would "see" the organisation or links between objects in the pattern they were "already organised into", and would see further and further down the organised rankings, so it appeared it was "doing" the organising, but in truth it was just perceiving more and more deeply into the organisation that was already there. Once it went too deep, it wouldn't be able to see anything as the stuff wouldn't be in a recognisable pattern anymore. I love your work by the way!

[@Laynasmuse]

😂😂😂😂😂 " I don’t wanna organize that shit" 😭😂😂😭😂😭😂

[@JesterOfDestiny]

But I'm an Ne and I like organizing things. But then again, part of the reason for that, is because I find stuff I forgot about when I organize and I also learn about all the different ways things can be connected together and the way I organize things ends up just as scattered and confusing for anyone who isn't me. Nevermind, I solved my conundrum.

[@alisonfisher1877]

I’m guessing that you’re also Te by the process you used to figure it out. I have Ne and Te so I recognized your situation immediately. Takes one to know one, haha, though not really-otherwise this entire subject wouldn’t exist, maybe “to know” only in the “immediate” sense. Ha! See what I did there- my Te is showing.

[@JesterOfDestiny]

Nah, I'm an INTP. I am Ti as fuck. Although I do have my "maybe I'm an INFP" episodes, so perhaps there is something to that.

[@mofox6638]

@@JesterOfDestiny Ditto. INTP. I gather widely and obsessively, but then I also spend a LOT of time organizing to connect different concepts to make them useful and teachable. Not sure where that puts me. Or is that because it’s the secondary function? The vid does EP and IJ.

[@Kiseochan]

INFP here, and I find that gather, gather and more gather leaves me a bit unsatisfied until I organize it on paper with child Si. Bonus if the notes turn into a reference tool that my inferior Te can use.

[@Hereticked]

Are you going to start a Patreon so we can throw money at you?

[@ShaleNinja]

This makes so much sense. I'm a "get all over the thing" machine in a way I find difficult to explain to people (not that they ever let me FINISH!) - I swing wildly between hyper-analysing a single thing and knowing every single cog in the machine, and then wildly collecting "that reminds me of this" seemingly-to-everyone-else unrelated tidbits and concepts and munging them over the top of the thing I'm attacking with a tech hammer. If anything I don't know which I use more, the Ti or the Ne, but it's definitely the Ne I'm more aware of...in a squirrel-with-a-triple-shot-latte kinda way. ENTP or INTP? At this point I think chaos monkey suits best.

[@emilleeloo]

Thanks for this! I've identified as an ENTP since I found out about jungian psych, but life events and self reflection has made me wonder if I'm actually an INFJ. I feel like there's not much out there about confusion between these two because they seem like they should be so different, but they share the Fe-Ti/Ti--Fe axis and Ne-Si and Ni-Se can look so similar. Ne vs Ni explanations haven't been immensely helpful but the idea of purely gathering vs. organizing was a lightbulb for me, definitely leaning towards INFJ.

[@JeriahMiller]

That makes sense about all the KZbinrs who say they are an INTJ or an INFJ. But they always want new information. I used to think I was an INTJ or INFJ but I'm not so sure anymore because I do like new information all the time.

[@alphaalpaca7779]

to gather new information (=new facts) is typical for Se. INTJ+INFJ have Se. Gathering new ideas is Ne.

[@cheyennediaz4110]

Even INxJs can and do like new info/new facts... but don’t like that new info/facts if it doesn’t fit within a preexisting framework we’ve developed.

[@cherishtheday2223]

@@cheyennediaz4110 You’ve boiled it down perfectly. If I’m watching a video about philosophy, for example, I’m watching it because it confirms ideas that I already have about life.

[@elaf94]

I'm an ENFP and my brother is an INFJ... you have no idea how fucking correct you were.. i ALWAYS bring in new ideas, theories, concepts, abstract shit and the poor fella (lol i know i'm projecting my fears don't crap on me) Picks up one thing and buildup on it.. i introduced him to spirituality and threw punch of pseudoscience on him a while back.. guess what?? he's an aspiring magician and believes that this is his path in life. Our conversations are endlessly fun, like straight 6 hours fun. Which end up with him having a headache and me being exhaustingly satisfied. We watched all of your videos, thanks alot.. you're an excellent educator!!

[@yummy8074]

these videos help me so much with deciding what type I actually am and I can actually feel or grasp what this whole MBTI charade is about

[@mrbullmrbull]

I am an IJ and I literally sort your videos in my own folders XD

[@teddypicker7458]

Thank you for this dumbed down explanation of Ne vs Ni. Will now continue to obsessively watch new videos and gather new information.

[@shadowkat678]

Loving the self drag. XD

[@nravaei]

I've been trying to really grasp the difference between these two for a while (myself being an Ne user) and just had an epiphany that I think explains it in a way that feels concrete and experiential for me vs. abstract. Both Ne and Ni want to understand the generalized rules or "concepts" behind things. They want to understand how the specific thing they're perceiving (event, object, information etc.) fits into the larger scheme of the world. What is it an "instance" of? For both Ne and Ni, things are only meaningful when they're "an instance" of a particular pattern or framework. When they exemplify a particular concept. I never resonated with the description of intuition as "pattern recognition", because my own Ne never felt that way to me - I never felt like I was going out "looking for a bunch of patterns", and if you asked me to tell you about some patterns I saw in the world, I couldn't tell you anything. But if I reframe "recognizing patterns" to mean that every time I come across something, I try to understand "what concept it's an instance of" (i.e. where it fits in my framework of the world), then that makes perfect sense, and it's something I feel myself doing all the time. Now, both Ne and Ni are trying to understand what concepts the things they're seeing and experiencing are "instances of". The difference is where they focus their attention. For an Ni, they focus on the concept and hold that as their constant. So they're looking for many "instances" of one concept. Information is meaningful to then when it can be applied to that one concept, which they often hold as a universal truth. So the way they use "pattern recognition" is by finding as many instances of their one concept, and using those instances as data points to refine their concept. Ne's, on the other hand, focus on the "thing", and hold that as their constant. So instead of trying see how many "instances" fit into one concept, they're trying to see how many concepts fit into this one instance. They want to know how many different angles they can take to look at something, and what they can learn about what this instance "means" from each of those angles. So they use "pattern recognition" by finding as many concepts for their one thing, and using those concepts to highlight and illuminate different aspects of that thing. So to conclude, Ne and Ni are both applying generalized concepts to the things they perceive in order to understand them. But Ne's just care about the thing that's right in front of them, and want to understand that thing as thoroughly as possible by applying different lenses to it (which gives them a strong structural understanding of things, for those of you who are familiar with socionics), while Ni's care about understanding some deeper truth about the nature of the universe, and use the things they see or experience as tools to refine that truth or vision.

[@vaaaliant]

Where do your high focus on tribal roles come from? Is this something you've yourself hypothesized?

[@burningsodium]

I usually describe introverted perception functions as "filtered," because that is basically how Jung put it. But I like your concept of "organization." That's a helpful way to look at it.

[@Janaamrk]

i just love organized stuff. if someone was teaching me in an inorganized way i would defo lose brain cells. if someone messes with my bookshelf and change the order i get really angry. i can not sit in a messy room too, my Ni surely is a dominant.

[@SaphiraTheMongoose]

Love you long time Dave

[@AustinOllar]

If you guys are interested in a deeper understanding of Ne vs Ni and S vs N, I would recommend checking this out: Sensing (S) vs Intuiting (N) N is Associated with Time (the relationship between S frames), while S is associated with a Space frame or moment in time Ne is the story of the contents between S frames while Ni is the contextual story from S frame to S frame. It looks like this. cl.ly/3g2r2V0o350v You can tell where there are intersections or overlaps, that is typically where consciousness picks up on the energy and associates it as Me-ness (Ego energy, Fi or Ti) or non-me-ness (other non-self, subjective or objective energy, Te or Fe). S acts almost like a concave or convex lense which angles energy in different ways for consciousness to pick up. Hope this description is helpful :)

[@joysgroove]

love your ni analogies. superrrrr simplified to a literal caveman level don’t you just love intjs

[@darkrebel123]

I think I'm an INTP who has been mistyping myself as an INTJ for a long time. The reason was because I was convinced I was lead Ni. As an INTP, I think that I use Ne to gather perspectives and feeds them into my Ti function so to speak, which then organizes/focuses them. I think that my Si child also helps keep them structured. In other words, my Ti/Ne/Si manifests in a way that for me is difficult to distinguish from every description of Ni that I have ever heard.

[@mercurialmessenger]

Refreshing video. ENFP here.

[@ded4lyfe1]

John T Same!

[@Syogren]

Same. Except I'm an INFP, but we have the same cognitive functions in more or less the same order anyway, so it's all good...right?

[@pjbarban]

I think there is something off about this presentation. As an older INTJ, I love gathering new information about almost everything and then organizing it in new ways. What I don't like is doing experiments which require a lot of SE attention to detail and physical carefulness. Which was exemplified by my love for chemistry which came from books and my disdain for chemical experiments and lab work (which convinced me that I'd rather be a teacher than a chemist)

[@markusreichelt3811]

I think that works with the concept he presented. e.g if you gather a lot of information by reading books and organize it its more like an Ni thing cause the information wasn't gathered by you but by another person who wrote the book.

[@wendyraye]

Markus Reichelt so this is interesting. I thought reading articles and books was Ne. It’s Ni? I’m so confused, just when I thought I had it.

[@sarahcollins190]

I totally agree...this is off base. I am INFJ and I went into teaching as well for much of the same reason, actually doing the field work and plowing through data to meticulously answer a question was BORING. To me that screams Si not Ni. I instead gather information and synthesis it . I am constantly on the look out for new information and ideas to see how they fit together. I am trying to build a picture or theory of how things work and interact. I will hunt for and read papers all day to suck in more information, but I don't want to actually have to do the research. (I love doing lit reviews... apparently I am weird) I always think of extrovert functions as classifying/describing functions. Like and entamologist names and describes a new species of insect, while introvert functions are judging functions which develop theories about how things work. Going with the entamologist analogy again, they would be determining where insect fits within a food web and what it's role is in maintaining and ecosystem. This explanation doesn't sit well with me at all.

[@fleischliebe430]

I love these videos so much! So fun and informative to watch!! Thank you!!

[@IoOLOoOfficial]

Hi Dave. Could you please make a video about corresponding introverted functions - Ni v. Si, Fi v. Ti? I'd love to have further insight regarding their differences. Lian

[@dday9433]

Literally lol'd at the "psycho I-J" comment because I WAS happy with that organization/category fit.

[@bryantav6843]

More!! Give us more!!!

[@Elimbi1]

Dude your channel is legit :D

[@cosmicyoke]

is it accurate to say that INxJs and ENxPs suffer from lack of control over the sensory?

[@jilmil33]

no infjs need ctrl on infps too

[@zoez8185]

Intuition is just the ability to connect with the information that are from the higher dimension, which means the sixth senses.

[@Lastrevio]

One final note to add about intuition being "imagination" and sensing being "the senses" is that those are in fact what our body does, information from the sense world is taken in through the sense organs and imagination is the work of the unconscious, now the catch here is that *BOTH INTUITION AND SENSING WORK WITH BOTH IMAGINATION AND THE SENSES*. The thing is that perception not only takes in information, that is useless, that's not a cognitive function. What the perceptive cognitive functions do are different ways to perceive that taken information. Sensing overlays information from the senses (concrete reality) with information from imagination (our mental representation of it) and sees what changes need to be done to reality * to match our representation: this is why sensors are more aware of their surroundings than intuitives is because while they constantly take information from they're mind they're out there in the real world "immersed" in it to make changes in it. We could say then that sensing is action. Intuition overlays both imagination and information from the senses as well, but perceives what changes need to be made to our mental representations to match reality*, this is why they're head in the clouds is because why they constantly take in information from the senses they're immersed in their imagination to make changes within it. But intuition still takes in information from the sense organs as well. We could say then that intuition is imagination. *: of course, how you're gonna do those changes is judgment

[@nachannachle2706]

+Lastrevio I would say, Intuition is EXTRAPOLATION of the observable reality. Ni extrapolates multiple facts into a single GRAND SCHEME, Ne extrapolates single facts out towards multiple CONNECTED CONCEPTS. The basis of imagination is the ability to extrapolate, which is only one aspect of what intuition can "do". Question: is imagining something an action? Or is the telling of the imagined concept the REAL action? INTPs are notorious for having "great imagination", but how do we know they do until they DO something about it? While ENTJs are said to have "strong conviction", and no one doubts it because they reek of purpose in everything they DO. It's almost as if having one GRAND SCHEME in mind will always be looked upon more positively than having many CONNECTED CONCEPTS.

[@pessimistkai5569]

I am an INFJ. You once said we should build our top 2 functions. But what if the situation demands other than my strengths?>? I want to be a great progammer but I am not naturally attracted to it. But I see it is very much needed for the future.

[@onlyheretowatchfailcompilation]

it's really not needed, every single INTP is already going into that. become a psychotherapist to treat all that burned out programmers ;)

[@sanoj92]

INFJ can be a good programmer, but will be volatile to colleagues that are inconsiderate of others' emotions..

[@pessimistkai5569]

@@onlyheretowatchfailcompilation lol I just left my job because of burnout.

[@nachannachle2706]

You have put some nice ideas into this video, but I have some serious objections. I don't think Ne vs Ni is this clear-cut Gather vs Organise, simply because NO function works in isolation. The model you gave is just a START for understanding/observing N in ABSTRACT, because in REALITY, there is always another 1 or 2 function(s) at play. I'm one of those INTJs who collect a lot (Se) BEFORE synthesising in a (temporary) Ni-Te-procedure, and I would argue that ENTPs also memorise a lot (Si) BEFORE refining a (temporary) Ne-Ti-system. Also, your description of groups Se-Ne gatherers and Si-Ni organisers won't make sense from a real life perspective, because Si and Ni might be "organising", but more often than not, Ni-Dom is COMPELLED to refine his/her Te procedures due to the ever changing nature of (Se) realities, while Si-Dom is *geared* to just sit around and keep his/her Te-procedures under a tight leash regardless of imaginable (Ne) variables (How? Well, they are the majority in the population and they freely do what the population expects = celebrating traditions!). That's also why INTJs tend to be the most perceiving of all Dom-Aux Te-users, even though they will rant about having to rework their Te-procedures all the time (something they were born to do anyway ;p) while the other xSTJs just wait for problems to occur and pile up before they DO something about their procedures and while the ENTJs bulldoze everything with his/her own flavour of procedures before PONDERING where they are, in effect, going. So, Ni-Ne do, in fact, belong together more than the Ne-Se or Ni-Si divide that you suggested: Ne is refining, while Ni is synthesising; Se is gathering, while Si is organising. If anything Jung wasn't playing dice with his labeling of functions: his' is a well-rounded a fallacy-proof body of work. No need to redefine his wheel as an hexagon when it has been rolling well for the past 50+years... :)

[@Drecon84]

Do all of these have to end so abruptly? I hardly have time to pause the video and hit the like button (or write a comment) before my playlist skips to the next video.

[@vbnrfys]

I LOVE when people are able to explain something (shitty like cognitive functions) so simply & clearly. Thank you.

[@awatt6088]

What do you mean by the words concepts and patterns I feel I need an example of those words.... ex.) pattern ex.) concept

[@coffeefrog]

This is the best and simplest explanation I've heard by far! And so true. So painfully true...!

[@nolimit6377]

I can understand how Ne enjoys information gathering, but I've heard the same for Ti. How can these two be differentiated while alone? I ask because I am addicted to learning more things (e.g. as soon as I wonder about something, I immediately google my question to quickly get the answer), but I'm certainly no Ne dominant.

[@Catstronautgirl]

Idk how to explain it to others but I have this feeling that I can never let go. I have net interests and I never go out and look for new things. An example; Physics, engineering, psychoanalysis, design and perfumery. Those are things that I love and I’m constantly learning more about, exploring my own knowledge and innovating in my own accords by actually creating. However, I struggle pondering new things, especially things I won’t be able to use at all. Like how I think ancient Chinese history is really interesting but I could never sit down and read a book about like like I can watch 9 hours of engineering lessons without stopping.

[@rockstar549100]

But then some people will say that both extraverts and introverts interact with the outside world with their extraverted function. So when you're interacting with introverts, what you see is their auxiliary function, which may be why someone who is a strong Ne user might actually be introverted (i.e., INTP or INFP), because their dominant function is introverted and not the most prominent quality that you might notice about them. I guess in that case, it helps to decide whether an introvert is Ti or Fi by evaluating how they use their Ne: is it for a practical reason that would be useful for oneself and in line with one's own logical framework (Ti) or for the sake of gaining some personal emotional gratification, in line with one's personal values (Fi).

[@floatinqspirit4289]

So, i've been doing all this reading and first I thought I was and INTJ, then I was a INFJ, but I also want to gather new and more things and information, but i'm still not quite sure if I could be an INFP. But, it's a fact that I have gone through different courses in my life, music (guitar, piano), arts, social sciences, history, marketing, design, but at the same time people in my groups of work tend to call me the most organized person they've known, because I collect the info we say in reunions and put it all in different word documents, and organize the stuff we need to do and what is missing and what we should be focusing at and give them insight of what things are missing out and show the big picture of things that they sometimes don't see. also, I don't like to spend too much time on details. So, can an INTP like to gather info and organize it but at the same time, be bored with just one topic and always search for different ones after knowing that they have learned something and feel like they have to move on to something new? and also, can INTPs feel the need to have new experiences, surfing, go to new things and places. Somebody help me!! ahah it has been too many hours revolving on this damn personality thing.

[@connorschmidt5945]

yeah, the theory says that intps use extraverted intuition as their second function, and (as the video stated) ne is about gathering different ideas. ne users tend to get an understanding of something fairly quickly, then be completely content moving on to some other idea. remember, being a perceiving type doesn't mean you can't be organized. organizing has its advantages, and being a perceiving type doesn't mean you can't recognize these advantages. You sound like an INxP to me, as far as i can tell. be careful, infps can often get mistyped as intps and vice-versa. hope this helped!

[@zenchiassassin283]

Ni + Fe: organize for instance the feelings of others.

[@bettimllr]

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[@zenchiassassin283]

@@bettimllr Yes !!

[@bettimllr]

@@zenchiassassin283 by curiosity, whats your type?

[@zenchiassassin283]

@@bettimllr What's your guess ?

[@bettimllr]

@@zenchiassassin283 Ni dom?

[@gabrielpelegrini6135]

The connection between Se and Ni as a "gather facts and organize them in a single concept" makes sense, but the statement doesn't work for Ne/Si. I was thinking about the connection between Ne and Si and what I could come up with until now, although for me it still feels a bit foggy, is that Ne gathers concepts and Si sequences them so that it would make sense in a concrete list/timeline. Like, picture Ne discovering a web of patterns and Si comes behind making a single pathway amongst the numerous possibilities. I don't know if this is because i'm lead Ne, but Si seems to be the most misunderstood function

[@latterdei4357]

As an INTJ, yes, I am happy you narrowed it down lol

[@anagabi4600]

". . . and you're happy when you've narrowed it down because you're a psycho IxxJ" YES I AM AND THANK YOU, THAT MADE ME LAUGH SO F MUCH OMG

[@aniokay]

Haha. The start was fucking brilliant. I loooove the point when over-complicated things just turns out to be super simple.

[@hardlybreathe93]

I keep coming back to your videos every now and then to just make sense of my own type as both ISTP/INTP. I keep getting both of them cause I dont know if whats more dominant : my Ne or Ni? I keep exploring new ideas from new places I can find information related to it yet at the same time I go back to the past infos I got and obsess over those past ideas and wonder what I missed that might be connected this whole time. I scored Ti, Se and Fe high enough against Te, Si and Fi but I scored high of Ne over Ni. The tertiary function is just mindfucking me so bad

[@connorschmidt5945]

sounds intp to me. at least that sounds like ne. nes can become very obsessive over an idea if they feel it has potential, including in things they might have missed the first time dissecting an idea.

[@TT35109]

As an Enfp I will never watch the same video twice. ;) Sounds pretty accurate to me! Love learning about new things and will only revisit a topic if something new arises.

[@fangus5076]

Em... So if this is the 3rd time I come back to this video to retouch on my understanding of Ni vs Ne does that mean I'm Ni even if I don't watch any other videos(entertainment wise) again?

[@598gh]

@@fangus5076 It's my fourth time, looks like I'm seeing Ni 😂

[@king92502]

Your videos are not only very informative but very entertaining too.

[@usingforposting]

Finally you are Back!!! Nice to see your Video!!

[@GottfriedLeibnizYT]

I..I think I understand now why Ni and Ne dominants attract each other.

[@MaverickJeyKidding]

FUnny how he says "let's google it so we know how to do it wrong" and then proceeds to explaing the same thing with different words. LMAO

[@sylvial1985]

how can you say Animals don't have intuition? animals in salughter house escaped knowing what would happen, and some can predict weather and earthquakes. Animals even know a good human vs a bad human

[@ovaiskaku7443]

Thanks God!!! this made my life easy.... of course we can do both but I am more comfortable with organizing concepts... Ni here

[@neonpixel27]

What does mean to organize concepts?

[@idarefsti1715]

Dominant Ne user. I had to watch this in 1,2 speed, since I have documentary about palentology on a differnt tab, aswell as another article about Ne vs Ni. Coffie?

[@leosousa7404]

Wow, I mean, really good explanation. That was amazingly objective and accurate

[@jeys4432]

Ne, everyone can do it. The difference, I'm just better at it😊 -entp

[@cjallison8362]

Frigg me, now, that's what I call simply and beautifully put! [Note to self: Subscribe!]

[@DevWithMartinus]

This video was very Ni :p You are an INTJ ? Good job continue like that ;)

[@lloydtxw]

This grossly oversimplifies how much some types don’t “like” using their intuition/imagination. Some aren’t just bad at it, they actively refuse and become defensive or angry when asked to try.

[@jonconnor0729]

That Ne describes me well. I have tons of research ideas and proposals but I'm terrible in handling the mundane and detailed stuff and let other folks finish it.

[@NickTV12]

You're back!!!!!!!

[@mocurio]

Thanks for this video! Those old stupid videos you pulled up, calling the person that made them "jackass" & "idiot" - those are your videos from years ago, & that "jackass" & "idiot" you called, is you. You made those videos. In fact, they're in your channel right now.

[@EpicKalypze]

Back in grade school we would have puzzle battles. One team on each side of the long cafe. Everyone is supposed to sit and organize the puzzle... one member of team got up and ran to the other team to look at there and ran back to tell the one organizing the puzzle. I starting doing the same logically pointless thing, but now after watching; it was the only thing for me and other gather-minded kids to do otherwise we were going to bored to death.

[@Daviar715]

1:50 ExxPs indeed have Ne, but also Si instead of Se. IxxJs have Ni, but also Se instead of Sj.

[@bliss252]

So I guess this is why (as an Ne) I keep saving KZbin vids and never going back to watch them? 🤔

[@squarecrusher]

I would not agree that intuition is 'just' imagination, read what Tesla thought about intuition, it's more like antenna to recieve information from the field.

[@MaverickJeyKidding]

Also, what kind of intuition i have if i'm obsessed with coming up with unique new solutions, thinking up random "genius" ideas and them trying to come up with a one elegant solution that would satisfy them all (or most of them) and then kick off from that solution to come up with 100 more ideas that might not lead anywhere, but enjoy the creative procces meanwhile, while trying to again come up with one particular thing that satisfies most of the ideas, combining them together in one beautifully organized structure. Then reepeat. It's like i'm always bouncing Ne->Ni->Ne->Ni all the time. But there is no way this can be true right? :D I get dopamine boost from both activities - coming up with unique concepts and working through them deeply so no "plotholes" remain

[@MaverickJeyKidding]

Meanwhile, i CBA organizing my room, cleaning stuff up, doing chores, writing monthly job reports to my boss etc. This takes away my precious time from all the creativity and deep thinking. Also, going outside puts me into zombiefied state with all the sensory distractions around me: car horns, car engines, birds singing, people arguing, tree leaves shuffling, sun shining right up my ass - it overwhelms me instantly, so i can spen outside like 30 minutes at best. Souns like i've demon Si/Se combined. But there is no way this can be true, right? :D Coming back to something to revise it and try different approach makes me feel tired and tied down instantly too. Like "we've been through this already, let's move forward to what's possible. I don't care if it wasn't the optimal one - it did it's job well". Alsom idk how to play any strategy games - it overloads me with tons of possible equaly sound solutions, and the idea that i have to controll 1000+ units that have no brains just puts me to sleep. I have no idea how ppl do this shit. For me the solution is simple - straight road with no obstacles, just fly forward or jump forward as far as you can and worry about mistakes later

[@MaverickJeyKidding]

Also, i'm very shy and stay silent for the majority of the time, allowing others to initiate conversations. I'll never go to a store to buy stuff where you have to ask for it. Only shops with carts where you can take everything yourself and just pay with your card without any words. Or better yet - order stuff online. And i always feel the need to prove myself, my POV and my opinion to others. And when they feel bad in life - i can't help but support them mentally and emotionaly (which exausts me actually, so i need alot of alone time and sleep for like 10 hours to restore from ppl interaction and sensory overload almost everyday)

[@anastasiareznichenko6847]

The best video on this topic!

[@cherishtheday2223]

So when you’re making a life plan, and you’re looking for a way to string together all of the facets of your life into a singular, cohesive vision...is that an example of using Ni? What about when you’ve read a book, watched a film, and now you’re trying to create a thesis statement for an academic paper?

[@yogidevendrabiriyani1777]

im so confused though because i obsessively gather ideas or things but ionly like it if i can keep it organized and not overdo it, otherwise i become very upset and resentful and overwhelmed

[@connorschmidt5945]

sounds like ne to me. Ne users generally need to take some time to slow down and process the things they're gathering. I'm an ENFP and I get burned out really easily, sometimes i seem introverted, but i'm just processing and organizing my thoughts. If I don't do this I feel like im filling my plate because until it's processed, the idea will be swimming in the back of my head all the time. it prevents me from focusing and can get very frustrating. so yeah, sounds like ne to me, but i could be wrong. hope this helped!

[@bugfolk6323]

Thanks for this video and your older one. I've been really wondering about this and have been confused by all the differing descriptions I've seen. What does it mean if you see yourself somewhere in the middle? It's like I am looking at a variety of ideas time to time. I'll do some degree of pondering stuff, but it usually radiates from a few central points of focus. People say I use a lot of Ne, based on what I've shared and what they observe, but internally I am trying to organize my ideas into a central project or few. Occasionally I may sketch out extra short term ideas, but they don't engage me long term compared to the main ideas. I switch between a few projects, but I am looking for ways to improve upon them. Sensitivity to criticism: What does it mean if one grew less sensitive to it over time after realizing it can be helpful?

[@simranlageju]

lmao so funny and interesting and useful. i'm gonna go watch all your vids now.