New Zealand's Māori Rights Protests

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[@granabiss_]

I'm not paying for stories... Get real orange peel

[@L.budz.]

Im yet to hear anyone dispute the points of the bill, just preach some propaganda and dont understand what its actually about

[@fergususal8671]

because the points of the bill aren't being disputed, but rather the arrangement. Te Tiriti was an agreement between Crown and Maori, and in a contractual sense, Parliament has no real right in intervening in that, especially when its a party that only has 9 percent of the popular vote pushing it, who are only in power due to a coalition agreement.

[@qqszad]

the main point of the bill is to copy and past from the bill of rights and remove moari land rights. its a sneeky way of saying lets remove it. just for your own info we already have everything ACT are asking for its in our bill of rights.

[@MMA247P4P]

Most maori don't even know what they're marching for. Main thing for me, I didn't get stepped out on the way to bottle o for me, usually almost always get robbed by a car load of maori for my box. I'm a skinny white man by the way(easy target)

[@jame2433]

Mate those in favour of the bill think it’s about equal rights for all. So genuinely, right back at you. Look at the recent findings from the Waitangi tribunal

[@granabiss_]

​@@qqszadnon Maori are not as equal as Maori..... Fact

[@featherkingdom449]

As a Tongan living south Auckland, the Maori already have such a significant impact and presence in New Zeland society. What are they protesting about???

[@BarHawa]

Why don't you do your research? The government is working to reinterpret the set terms of the treaty. “ As a Tongan” You're a fellow Polynesian and you're living in another country,you should at the very least be sympathetic and understanding to people who have shared roots with you, especially if you're living there.

[@darrelhenley-mc9dw]

They are been used in large scale corporate land theft which includes the weasels in the bee hive. Globalization in other words =corporate control of the whole planet.

[@funtimesatbeaverfalls]

@@BarHawa Isn't that the job of the Waitangi Tribunal to reinterpret the terms of the treaty?, to the detriment of NZ.

[@mrb5760]

Handouts and how they are about to stop getting them.

[@georgemohetau6056]

Hopefully you get your tokos to vote for the Maori party because that's the only way Polynesian will get anything simple

[@hmhmhmpandaaa8575]

GOT TO THE END OF THE VIDEO WITH STILL NO IDEA ABOUT WHAT THE PROTEST IS FOR ?

[@Arms26]

Yeah and you'll get to the end of life not knowing who or what you are, or what you ever achieved.

[@nomanshigh3058]

The people in it don't know either

[@logicalanswer3529]

None of them do. they are just there to support a racist party led by the guy wo said -"It's now time for us to step comfortably into our rangatiratanga and to not give too much to this Pakeha Government with their Pakeha Budget for their Pakeha economy". " does not sound like he wants unity at all.

[@Hup-cx5hp]

Full n final corporate control is Acts agenda by those who financed the last elections

[@antihebrew]

It's simple: "F___ Whitey! Gimmie your STUFF, ow!"

[@mrcamera420]

The Hikoi seems to be less about the Treaty principles Bill and more about a sovereignty movement for Māori. The treaty did grant Māori Tino Rangatiratanga, but it also made it clear that the crown would set up a government and that this would be the sole government of the land. I don't think Māori having sovereignty and a separate government would be good for the country.

[@tanepukenga1421]

That's plainly not true since there was an entire war over it

[@Arms26]

WHERE? Where in Te Tiriti does it say "this would be the sole government of the land"? The Waitangi tribunal already ruled Maori DID NOT cede sovereignty, and the Government of the time accepted that finding, so if Maori did not cede sovereignty, surely that government can not be the only government of the land.

[@TDMFAN]

@@Arms26Māori ceded governance, but not sovereignty.

[@Arms26]

@TDMFAN How can you cede governance but not sovereignty? You can't govern without being sovereign.

[@butterz3488]

@@tanepukenga1421 Entire war over it? hahah No there wasnt. The maori wars were not against the crown like yall think. go read a book. War in nz was betweren maori and maori. Te rapata nad co were raping and pillaging the country- other maori asked the english to intervene.

[@michaelferguson651]

Cultural entitlement is not equality.

[@drednorzt]

What does that mean?

[@darrelhenley-mc9dw]

No it equals communism

[@LeviHarris32]

I feel like half of the people there dont understand why they were there.

[@tanepukenga1421]

Yes they do, but you have to find some way to denigrate us, eh?

[@tanepukenga1421]

While you ignore the actual words the people on camera said - just to note

[@Arms26]

You feel wrong.

[@nomanshigh3058]

Half is generous.

[@logicalanswer3529]

They are there supporting the racist who claimed "It's now time for us to step comfortably into our rangatiratanga and to not give too much to this Pakeha Government with their Pakeha Budget for their Pakeha economy"

[@jasonlowe8545]

New Zealand is an embarrassment now. Half the people here are saying exactly what Seymours saying anyway......working together etc etc,....why don't they embrace their other culture, the European side of their family, the english and Scottish blood in their veins.....is it not cool enough or something? Most of the people on that bridge have euro blood in them so if they are marching against colonization, they are marching against themselves.....our country is a dog chasing its own tail . 1000 a week to Australia.....no shit.

[@pnua]

Do you trust Seymore intentions? Is his intention for the betterment of Maori? Do Maori lose anything from this bill? If they don't then why try and fix it! If they do then you know why they protesting.

[@rhysrautjoki7207]

Did you know there’s a place called Scotland and England for those people so proud of their whiteness? There is only 1 Aotearoa.

[@toakasi6425]

😂😂 Yep we love our Scotish and Welsh whakapapa just as much as we Maori Its apart of our shared history it's called bicultural and if you speak more then one or 2 languages its multicultural 🎉🎉🎉

[@dangerrayy]

They are marching for their future. In case you didn't know, massive wealth is a threat to all of our freedoms across the world. Money is power and governments/ countries are getting controlled by their debts. They sell their assets/land to keep up and their people lose. People like you who don't understand the real threat are on the wrong side. You are on the side of the ones who dont give a fk about you or the people. That is clear if you open your eyes

[@Monty-ib9bj]

In a world where people wear masks, it's a privilege to see souls✊🏼

[@floydrudolph321]

Why are they protesting against equal rights?

[@funtimesatbeaverfalls]

Not much else to do I guess.

[@ThatFulla_G]

I don’t watch the news anymore (glad i don’t now) so i just found out this is happening and all i gotta say is i hate race politics i am of Māori decent but i have to admit a-lot off us half cast or quarter cast mutts, We see through this divisional crap and guess what we still had tough up bringings my white skin didnt help me at all in life 😂 growing up i was poor just like my brothers and sister regardless off skin you want a change go change yourself and become omnipotent. Geee this is why i tell anyone im glad i dont have a cultural background you guys are chained to the past ⛓

[@ThatFulla_G]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/j3Oal3aemKqsmposi=ZobBOD8W3iIJeEvI and before the keyboard warriors begin

[@1JimmyTheOne1]

Too true my friend, divide and conquer works every time. Why can’t people see it 😢

[@sammyswish]

as a māori you my brethren have all bought into the victimhood sold to you

[@heavenlydemon4k]

Pretty gutless for a Maori, guess daddy gave you one too many concussions you can’t tell right from wrong.

[@hoppynaki]

Thanks Uncle Tom.

[@heminuiraho8235]

Yes they sold you a story you ceeded your sovereignty. Real eyes realize real lies

[@argondemad8024]

Delusional. Read the treaty, and read the bill. Its not complicated. How can so many not understand whats said.

[@tanepukenga1421]

Because we actually do understand what "full power" means. It was used against us for nearly 200 years. You don't understand it also takes away your rights to challenge the government. Under Seymours rules, those 1 in 3 who were sexually abused in state care get nothing: not even an apology, let alone redress. The government has "full power" even if that power is interpreted that children SHOULD have their genital's electrified for misbehavior. And you couldn't do a damn thing to stop them, you won't even have the right to take them to court over it. Just like Maori with the foreshore and seabed bill. And your supporting not just ours, but YOUR OWN rights being taking away while calling everyone who doesn't like it "delusional'. Even when it's written in plain english, right in front of your face.

[@nicktorea4017]

NO NO NO Read Te Tiriti Not The Treaty then YOU will comprehend whats said Te Tiriti came first before The Treaty....Maxim of Law "First in time best in Law"

[@philipwilliams6307]

​@@nicktorea4017 I'm new to all this, so there's a 3rd document that came before the 2 treaties of waitangi (English and Maori versions)?

[@oscarmcevoy90]

Maori were treated poorly by British in the past, that's a fact. A result of this oppression and discrimination, Maori are still suffering. In order to undo this effect we need to do the opposite to what we did 100 years ago, instead of oppressing the Maori, we need to help them. If there is no political change, there will be no change and there will continue to be racism. The Treaty Principles Bill says if the rights of the Maori differ from the rights of "everyone", these rights will not be protected by the crown. Except the rights need to be different in order to cancel out the difference in rights 100 years ago so that we can have equality. How are we supposed to help Maori and all of us under this bill?

[@logicalanswer3529]

@@oscarmcevoy90 Māori were treated poorly by Māori in the past - why are they not at fault for the "oppression" you claim is a result of treatment?

[@Connor-ur9lc]

The Muslim guy needs to wake up

[@nigelhay9634]

My great great grandmother was full Maori. Having experienced "Maori Culture " i am not in favor of it. This is 2024 not 1860. Nga Puhi caused many atrocities in the past and they are still causing trouble. i dont understand the kind of world these people envision...Socialism has never worked in the world and Maori socialism will not work. Us Maori only signed a " treaty" because we lost the war. I believe the people on this march are narrow minded, indoctrinated in a negative way by their Whakapapa, dont understand that capitalism has raised the standard of living all over and around the world...... but i guess they dont look at statistics. They seem to think that life, the government and me the tax payer owes them a living.

[@F.Free-hv3wv]

Well said.

[@hellbender10]

Time for equal rights for all!

[@skylarkaljaha2918]

My iwi Ngati Toa has finished there Waitangi settlement and now has over $800,000,000 worth of assets around the wellington area. We even own the grounds of the police academy. We get our University payed for free, private health care and loads of other things, its almost like we are our own separate nation. However unlike most nations you cannot immigrate/join and can only get these benefits if you are of Ngati Toa decent. Which means we have a small ethno state which if europeans did this people would call Fascist/Nationalism.

[@GregDervan-r8l]

Yes and the gravy train for maori will stop!thats what they dont like.

[@qqszad]

its called the bill of rights. your welcome

[@hoppynaki]

Exactly. Close the tax loopholes for the rich. Leave the monarchy.

[@mockbattles]

The Treaty Principles Bill seeks to hold a long overdue discussion on latter day interpretations of the Treaty of Waitangi, not to diminish the Treaty itself. Its already exposed the separatist agenda of some. I don’t want to live in an apartheid state.

[@jame2433]

Apartheid is not even remotely what is happening here. There is no oppression by Māori. This conversation has come up as a result of Seymour bringing it essentially. Having a conversation about what the treaty means for NZ is perfectly valid. That is not what this bill is about

[@ye_zus]

Not much of a discussion happening from the ACT party...

[@jasonpickens9839]

​@@ye_zushe is in parliament and has yet to be invited

[@QuickStessi]

I have yet to hear any rebuttal against the bill that the Act party has put forward. All I have been hearing is that everyone should be treated equally and that the treaty should be protected, all of which the bill states it will do.

[@Arms26]

READ IT AGAIN. Then read the articles in the treaty itself. Then you will notice the bill contradicts the treaty.

[@philipwilliams6307]

​@Arms26 I can't read Māori, so can you give me the main contradictions? I understand the desire to want less of the English version of treaty being used, and Seymour (who's Maori) and the other Maori in his party who made this bill have used a commonly used translation of the Maori treaty when designing this bill for defining the principles. There does seem to be one aspect and that's the co-governance which if I understand it correctly is different in the principles bill compared to the Maori treaty. And all I could find out for the reasons of this particular possible contradiction is that there's no examples in history where co-governance was used and worked. As far as I can tell, Maori once had the Maori courts, but that was phased out because of things like the death penalty being a clear contradiction in laws and ethical pursuits between Māori and Pakeha. But maybe we need to bring back the death penalty, after all Maori represent a large portion of our inmate population and under the Maori governance, most of them would be dead. But I'm sure you can understand why that doesn't sound good if you're Pakeha, dating a Māori who's dad is in prison for sentence under the old rules would have killed him for bringing shame to his tribe and people. Because at the end of the day, he's still family to those who love him, and to permit the Pakeha who did worst to live simply because they're Pakeha is messed up. But that's a very real threat if co-governance were to take place again. That said, what else in the bill is contradictory? So far I've heard and seen and spoken to people in person and online who not only don't know any contradictions beyond the source of "trust me bro" without pointing to anything specific and it's all conjecture and emotional opinions and no defining differences. But are also unwilling to argue alterations to the bill to correct and rectify, the misinterpretations by defining the correct principles instead. This further explains that people don't know their own treaty nor the contradictions in the bill. How about you write your own principles bill that way you can compare the two and point out the exact differences.

[@dossnone4554]

Embarrassing.

[@kavindu]

@@philipwilliams6307 That is a good analysis, well done.

[@logicalanswer3529]

David Seymour claimed "ACT's Treaty Principles Bill would confirm in law that all New Zealanders have equal rights, as promised by the Treaty of Waitangi. Rawiri Waiti claimed -"It's now time for us to step comfortably into our rangatiratanga and to not give too much to this Pakeha Government with their Pakeha Budget for their Pakeha economy". " Who sounds like they want unity?

[@GrimCantRead]

Rights maori people have more rights in nz than any other people (im half maori)

[@tanepukenga1421]

Which are these? Perpetual leases, legal banking discrimination or not being legally allowed to challenge some bills in court like the foreshore and seabed act? Mehemea he teka aku kōrero whakaaturia te teka

[@tanepukenga1421]

@@TOMORROWSFRIDAY lol, so you make a blanket statement about my race, then accuse us of being racist... That's not how it works, buddy. Especially when you're the one espousing racist ideas and can only couch your argument in race alone. While ignoring the comments I ACTUALLY made that had factual content. You really just sound like a racist screaming "No! You are! I ignore all your points because xxxxx race was mean to me!" Never thought enough to realise they didn't like you because you based your judgements on people over JUST their race? You certainly didn't give any of my points a thought and went straight to my race, didn't you? Stop blaming everyone else for YOUR behaviour and the consequences YOU get for acting that way.

[@LePookieBear00]

@@TOMORROWSFRIDAYBro you gotta understand that no race is truly racist, humans can just be assholes is all. Put a Maori in a white school, they get bullied or in your case put a white person in a Maori school and you get bullied. It ain’t Maori’s fault that you were picked on, it’s just that ALL people are shitty and pick on people who are different. I guarantee that you can testify to this because I know you have judged someone for being different, whether it be because they were fat or skinny, disabled etc. Basically you weren’t picked on because you were white you were picked on because you were different.

[@tanepukenga1421]

@@TOMORROWSFRIDAY Lol, what a way to say "I was being racist to a group and they don't like me now, so they're all racist!!!!"

[@tanepukenga1421]

@@TOMORROWSFRIDAY Yeah, I doubt that the 1 in 3 being sexually or physically abused while in state care (which the royal inquiry discovered you had a more than double the rate of uplifts if you were maori), or the otago study showing less employment chances, or the AUT study, or poilice internals which showed you had a high chance of being arrested for the same crimes is being treated "royally" but whatever your supremacist self has to think to denigrate and justify, huh?

[@antihebrew]

What are they protesting against, the democratic process?

[@drednorzt]

If the democratic process allows a colonial majority to make decisions about a marginalized & underprivileged minority, then perhaps it isn't appropriate.

[@F.Free-hv3wv]

@@drednorzt If you are incapable of making decisions, inevitably someone will make them for you, it's the way of the world.

[@Natecoxy]

​@@drednorztunderprivileged in what way? Please tell me what other races can do that maori can not.

[@logicalanswer3529]

David Seymour claimed "ACT's Treaty Principles Bill would confirm in law that all New Zealanders have equal rights, as promised by the Treaty of Waitangi. Rawiri Waiti claimed -"It's now time for us to step comfortably into our rangatiratanga and to not give too much to this Pakeha Government with their Pakeha Budget for their Pakeha economy". " Who sounds like they want unity?

[@missbluerain]

Yeah when anyone in TPM talk about unity they are only referring to Maori kotahitanga and those who agree with their world view. It's not unity with the rest of the country that much is perfectly clear. Surely the way waititi acts is a breech of working towards each other in good faith.

[@judioliver8082]

I find myself kind of wishing they would step into their rangatiratanga and then we would finally see what that means.

[@skinnyman226]

On the surface yes but in the underwriting no

[@logicalanswer3529]

@@skinnyman226 Can you give an example from one of the three articles?

[@qqszad]

@@logicalanswer3529 the bill seeks to REPLACE the current understanding of the treaty. so its all 3. all 3 points are already in law in the bill of rights, having another copy does nothing but remove land still protected by the crown.

[@catherinelintern9197]

It's not just Maori who lives in nz, what are the other people rights , David bill need to go through

[@debs2026]

YOU ARE CORRECT. HOWEVER, THEIR POLICIES ARE AIMING TO FORFEIT HUMAN RIGHTS TO MANY, NOT JUST THE CULTURE OF PEOPLE.

[@Natecoxy]

Dont forget TPM's claims on their website that they are genetically superior to other races. .

[@SKCDOSENDEPS]

HUMANITY BEFORE RACE !!!

[@constructionengineeringbui4102]

Does anyone here actually understand what they are protesting against?

[@jaymanilla289]

partnership not being fulfilled because we have to accommodate immigrant invaders from Africa, china and india. maori only ever agreed to a partnership with English people. not millions of other people of different ethnicities is part of it.

[@judioliver8082]

Not really.

[@mogwaibalenciaga]

@@judioliver8082 Really? How do you know? It's quite clear that these people understand what they're doing there

[@constructionengineeringbui4102]

@@mogwaibalenciaga please enlighten us…..

[@judioliver8082]

@@mogwaibalenciaga Oh I watched and listened but didn't hear them say what they object to about us all being equal.

[@D-warf]

Good to see some kiwi journalism that isn't main stream. However it would have been nice to hear from someone that could properly explain how the bill negatively impacts Maori even though the bill isn't going through.

[@Me-ui1zy]

This is quite literally everywhere. There are so many well articulated arguments against this bill from all over the place. Lawyers, academics, politicians (Including a lot of former National MPs), judges ect. If you want that information, its very available in media. But this video isnt about well articulated arguments, its about a protest that 10,000s of people have participated in.

[@D-warf]

@Me-ui1zy Even the main stream media haven't given a proper explanation on how the bill negativity affects Maori, like no one has. Even current National party members including Luxon don't agree with it but even they don't say how it affects Maori negatively.

[@D-warf]

@Me-ui1zy tbh I can't see how the bill even changes anything, I see it only as a waste of time and money that's it.

[@11Shot111]

You’re absolutely right-it’s a waste of time and money. What’s not being openly discussed is how this undermines the spirit of the actual Treaty, which recognizes Māori and the Crown as partners. Instead, the bill promotes the idea that we are all 'one,' dismissing decades of judicial rulings and the progress made in honoring the Treaty’s principles. The fact remains that historical wrongs have left Māori at a disadvantage, and by pushing this narrative, it shifts blame onto Māori, making them an easy target for criticism and resentment.

[@ronnymcdonald2543]

@@Me-ui1zy No its about The Maori Party having ZERO political power so theyre using the ignorance of other Maoris to create a race grift in NZ

[@RuachHakodesh777]

Many maori people do not like being told by these maori people what it means to be maori and what maori interests are because they want to be more than just maoris, they want to be free humans and want to embrace civil liberty rather than violent tribalism.

[@judioliver8082]

Then those Maori need to find a way to stand up real quick because you are getting taken over by these truely dark spirits. Honestly, it's gone on too long. Why do you let it happen ?

[@RuachHakodesh777]

@@judioliver8082 There is no such thing as "those Maori". and there isn't such thing as "standing up" or "being taken over" or "dark spirits" all of these are just imaginary and are not practical thinking to actually ensure your survival and success.... everyone living in New Zealand are already free citizens of a civil democracy where their personal rights are guaranteed and protected by law, it is up to them to either take advantage of it or keep complaining of the things they are told about themselves (poor, generational curses, poverty, being colonized, badly educated, family violence etc.) and keep grieving and being angry. There are already schools, you can get a loan to study, you can learn many skills just by yourself or from other people, you can propagate and promote your skill through online platforms, you can go out there and meet people and establish connections, you can make money and hustle freely and there is the library and there are many online platforms and KZbin where you can learn any knowledge freely without charge, so why does race or your tribal suffering or whatever still even matter? It makes no sense at all, it all but look like they want to stay backwards and stay as primitive people rather than be motivated and embrace the civilization they themselves signed up for and embraced. If any Maori person or Samoan ask me tomorrow to teach them any of the skills I personally know I would be happy to teach them for free.

[@antihebrew]

Maori are tribal. The rest of us evolved out of that by the time of First Contact.

[@RuachHakodesh777]

​@@antihebrew Tribalism with modernist features is fascism in every way, it is symbolized by the"bundle of stick", and it is about forcing collective definition of a race onto individuals, and without the consideration for the free will of each of those individuals, and also the collective definition of that race or tribal group is an abstract and not a specific one. No collectivist tribal identity is specific, every single one is abstract and the more specific you get the more racist and conflicting you are gonna get trying to define perfectly what that bundle of stick of people are. I am Chinese but the Chinese Communist Party cannot tell me I am not Chinese if I say I do not like the Chinese Communist's party, but the Chinese Communist party do happen to represent and is supported by a large group of people cultural wise can be seen as Chinese. Maori party is the same in that regard, they cannot tell all Maoris that they are somehow white men's slaves or slaves to colonialism or are not for their tribe or are against their own ancestry and pride etc if they do not support the Maori party and choose individual freedom of identity over this group identity being placed onto them. A Maori person who wish to identify as a Maori is still a Maori without the Maori party or other Maori people telling them what a Maori should be. Being for the treaty principles bill as a Maori betrays not one's Maori heritage, to me personally it is almost like evolving and advancing given that you are already is of that awesome heritage you are proud of. Being for the treaty principles bill means that you are a Maori who fully embraced the cooperation between Maori and Crown and the subsequent government representation you have got within this civil democracy and do not mind to embrace something (fairness) beyond it. If I was a Maori and I am against it, I would not give a shit about what the Maori party does nor be proud of the fact that they still have representation in that government, If I was really about being against anything this "White men's/ colonial's" civil democracy throw at me, I would simply join a gang and go to war. Rather than threaten the entire civil government with a war ritual when I cannot come up with better civil discourse or better reasoning and rhetoric to win the argument or to have an upper hand in that argument/debate. That haka was immature, random and confusing and only shows why The Maori Party is not very good at protecting Maori people's interests within the framework of a civil democracy.

[@judioliver8082]

@@antihebrew Yes I've heard that kind of talk all my life. What does it actually mean ? It means lies are told about NZ history and who was here first ? That's not ok. It means Maori are forever acting like victims [like the other day in parliament] and threatening non Maori now with waving fists and showing utter hatred toward us. This is not ok. If you want to be free of us be free. You will not control us and nor will the globalists. Equal rights now. No victims.

[@MJ-vj1un]

How did the protesters get there, car? Bus? train? How did they wash, with piped running water? How did they cook breakfast, with gas? Electricity? What were they wearing etc.etc.etc. we're all paying a price for living in a western style civilisation, but the alternative is the stone age of Afghanistan.

[@ronnymcdonald2543]

They have been taught the Victim mentality sadly.

[@Lenny-ue8hk]

Those things are not mutually exclusive with following Te Tiriti o Waitangi

[@tanepukenga1421]

Said the racist who thinks Maori have taken Amish vows and can't learn to be engineers, doctors or scientists ourselves. Weird how you think only one race of people can't learn new technologies, like you think it was europeans who invented math or gunpowder (middle eastern and Chinese technologies respectively)

[@ronnymcdonald2543]

@@tanepukenga1421 Most advances of modern civilization have been by White people, in fact even going back many thousands of years it's been predominantly White people or Europeans that made the greatest advancement the history of human evolution - Maoris were living on the ground, using stone tools and eating each other thousands of years after Romans and Greeks had science education incredible engineering - Not accepting the fact that without White Maori would be a stone age backward society if even still existing considering they were self-genociding - Doe not make one racist - it is in fact you who is the radical racist and you know it !

[@rhysrautjoki7207]

Hard case. Anyone would think Pakehas arrived here on morris minors with your Lenovo laptops…😅

[@NZrare]

Have these folks even read or understood the Bill..? How does a haka lead to any dialogue..? What does the hikoi (or carhoi to be more accurate) mean for Asians, Indians, and Pacific peoples living in NZ..?

[@funtimesatbeaverfalls]

Those people are classed as foreigners to the separatist protestors

[@kavindu]

Most of the videos we see about protests end up violently where both the protesters and the police are portrayed to be barbaric. It's refreshing to see the protesters are portrayed to be very civilized. And it's even more refreshing to see the last part about the police having their break because even the police are portrayed to be civilized. More importatly, the police are portrayed to be human. Something we rarely see. Well done.

[@judioliver8082]

Yes, this has been a long time coming. It's a way for the ordinary folk to catch up with what's happening. It's good that Maori will be now forced to look to their own leadership instead of foreever moaning about non Maori. When they look at their own leadership they will start to wonder about a few things, and this needs to happen. All the best to them. I certainly feel a lot freer now we're out of the treaty thing.

[@mcgruff3309]

Rights based on race? Imagine if It was the other way around! 🤣

[@11Shot111]

sorry but you are wrong, the rights are based on a treaty. Dont worry so much, it will be voted out at next reading 👍

[@rusureaboutthatorami]

I think more based on historical events that took place..and Maori is not a race of people,that category would be austronesian considering Maori is an austronesian language.just my observation

[@mcgruff3309]

@@11Shot111 You guys protest for nothing if It gets kicked out! 🤣

[@tanepukenga1421]

It's not, it's rights based on Iwi participation, which Seymour very well knows. It's why he HAS to couch the debate in race to get support. Even pakeha can join iwi and quite a few have. Also, our rights are not "nothing" even if you view them as so, like so many who have come before you

[@Arms26]

IT IS THE OTHER WAY AROUND!

[@SI-cd7xs]

this is what happens when you are weak, someone has to be on top. when you are too nice other groups will take advantage. they sense weakness and now exploit it.

[@madgoatsnorway6690]

Sick of this crap. What about all the other cultures in NZ? Maori is not the only one. Māori are also not indigenous to NZ. They originate from the cook island; they are Polynesian. They are as indigenous as anyone else in NZ. Stop with the race politics.

[@Steve-j1m5f]

However Maori were the indigenous peoples when the crown colony arrived so you and all the other races here now have to acknowledge that and honour the Treaty.😂

[@TheSunofGod-j1g]

@@Steve-j1m5f Once again Maori are NOT and have never been at ANY time indigenous to New Zealand they came from Hawaiki or they didn't . Indigenous means "'originate from " man I have Te Atiawa blood and even I'm not that thick !

[@Narnz80]

That's like going to Africa and saying their are other cultures here

[@jame2433]

@@madgoatsnorway6690 Māori are indigenous. This bizarre piece of dis info has been cropping up a lot recently. If you’re going to say you have to have evolved here in nz rather than originating from Africa like everyone else then virtually no one is indigenous

[@user-bw4jm1bv1i]

Māori are indigenous. "Indigenous peoples have in common a historical continuity with a given region prior to colonization and a strong link to their lands." - UN website Or you could read the whole Wikipedia article: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indigenous_peoples And it seems like there's really no denying Māori are indigenous.

[@butterz3488]

Hahah They were all saying fucxk the treaty 12 months ago- whats changed? allll $$$$$

[@judioliver8082]

What has become clear to me is that we whiteys - proudly non maori - are absolutely detested by Maori. As demonstrated by te pati on Thursday. They don't care about our views, our perspective, our values. Ok. So, now that's clear and obviously we don't want to stay in a 'partnership' with someone who hates us so what now. ? How do we move on. I am equal to any Maori person. Neither more special nor less. I have just as much right to be here as any of them as none of us is first nation. I like to live within a society that tells the truth about it's past. How do we resolve that when one side of the partnership keep telling lies. These are my questions. Now I'd like a proper genunie answer not a hissy fit that is then called 'spiritual'. Not a telling off. A proper answer. How can we proceed after Hana Clarke and her dad the media guy have stirred this up. What is the mature way forward ?

[@user-bw4jm1bv1i]

Can I just ask what are your views, perspective and values?

[@F.Free-hv3wv]

I am looking forward to the march arrival at Wellington and hearing their apology from TPM for past atrocities and acts of violence they have committed against the multitude of good people just trying to get on with life. TPM need to honor the treaty. Maybe the Maori queen could speak on their behalf.

[@lewislibre]

What exactly do they want? I’m kinda confused Because they do benefit of colonisation

[@tanepukenga1421]

No one benefits from having 99% of their nation taken from them and having entire generations imprisoned.

[@Arms26]

In what way?

[@nomanshigh3058]

They don't know. I went to talk to them when they were in Whangarei. It's was more of a party than a protest. No one was talking about the treaty just swapping Whakapapa and saying booooo white man bad.

[@judioliver8082]

We are all guilty. They have played the victim and we have pandered to them. While we did this we were all blind and couldn't see who is actually oppressing Maori which is their own leaders. Now we can all see. I stand with my dear Maori friends and loved ones and I am pleased it's now no victims. Equal rights. They can sort their own leadership out.

[@ClaytonLuke]

@@Arms26 Hahahahahahahahahahaha This is the funniest comment in the thread. You just asked "What benefits did the industrial age culture bring the stone age culture it colonized?" THAT is funny. 🤣

[@jesseparker198]

As kiwis leave NZ in droves, the writing is on the wall for our once beautiful nation

[@iwiatua6735]

They are leaving because of your greedy corrupt thieving pakeha government not because of the peaceful loving righteous Maori

[@judioliver8082]

change is always messy at first and then things settle down. Maori want to be independent and free of the treaty, that's fine. We want equal rights. No problem. We both want the same thing. New Zealand will look different for a time but still beautiful and with much more rich depth of character because both Maori and non Maori have stuck to their guns. We'll be better off for it. It feels like a breakup right now but it's going to be awesome. I' look forward to see Maori not be victims and to us all having equal rights.

[@James-ip8xs]

​@@judioliver8082what does that look like though? It's either succession or civil war based on your logic.

[@judioliver8082]

@@James-ip8xs it's not my logic. It's the situation we are now in. Willie Jackson attacked David Seymour but did not put forward his clear objections. Then the tepati's with daddy making it go viral to get world support to cloud the issue. Why don't Maori just state what they want. And what their issue is with David's proposal instead of all this drama. Just say what they want or don't want.

[@1magnit]

How can you claim to be indigenous when you say you arrived by canoe

[@1magnit]

You ate the previous inhabitants

[@Arms26]

Because Indigenous, by definition means the first inhabitants. Everyone in this world came from somewhere else. Indigenous people are those who inhabited the land first.

[@MJ-vj1un]

​@Arms26 That's a fair point, but what's to say the Maori aren't the imperialist colonisers in New Zealand, they made quick work of clubbing the first four Europeans they came across to death. They even paddled out four miles to do it. No written records before that. There's nothing to say the Maori people and culture were the first wave of immigration, just the last one left standing by the time written records began.

[@philipwilliams6307]

​@@1magnitas far as I can tell there was no previous populations on what we call New Zealand, the Moriori were on another island, and the specifically sailed there, killed a little girl and tore her chest open and hung her on a stick, slaughtered and ate plenty of the inhabitants, enslaved the rest, forbid them to speak their language, pray to their gods, and practice their culture, they essentially did everything they blamed the crown from doing to them but worst, the morimori of today are all offpring of mixed heritage, no pure bloods exist because of the Maori, and most of their culture and language has been lost due to the Maori as well. Many were treated worse than pigs, many were returned to New Zealand as spoils of war where they'd be repeatedly raped and worked to death, and it was only once the Crown found out about this that they told them that slavery was illegal and under the reign of England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 that they had to free their slaves. It was due to the English that the Morimori survived long enough to sue the crown for the injustices because the iwi refused to pay for the injustices their people inflicted on another culture and race. But that's an injustice you never hear from the Maori complaining to crown about how they took their slaves away from them. If Maori had the sovereignty they now want, that would mean they could keep their Morimori slaves as their ancestors felt entitled to. In some ways the crown should never have paid out any settlement money for the grievances inflicted upon them because that was an injustice inflicted by the Māori, not the Pakeha, but the Māori have conveniently ignored that side of history and refused to use their own time, money and resources to right the wrongs of their ancestors against them. If you think about it the crown doesn't have a treaty with the Moriori but because the Maori did, whatever wrongs they committed, the blame could be shifted to the crown because they ruled over the Māori. So the Pakeha essentially inherited the injustices their ancestors inflicted on the Māori and what the Maori inflicted on the Moriori. But since they want sovereignty, I say make them pay back what was given to the Moriori for helping settle their debt to history. The fact the Morimori were a pacifists race that didn't believe in warfare and chose the moral high ground and keeping things civil makes the atrocities that befell them all the worst. Because it's not like you're enslaving people who fought and lost, you literally conquered unarmed people. That would be like a school shooting or the mosque shooting in Chch, and praising the shooter. The reason those are tragedies besides the fact you're killing women and children is because it's against unarmed non-combatants, it's a whole different circumstance when the people you captured fought and killed many of your own people in the process, your war was hard fought. It's why people aren't happy with Israel because they're bombing and killing people who are severely outmatched, their own rockets get shot out of the air, so all their means to killing people keep failing, meanwhile their weapons and fighters pale in comparison to the IDF and furthermore the artillery used on them strike everytime, and it not only kills the armes fighters, but many of the unarmed, too. There's no pride when you kill people in the collateral, and yet the Moriori were all collateral and the Maori had no shame in it. These are the same ancestors they admire so much, and take great pride in, people under today's rule would be held for war crimes.

[@Rabazziii]

hey im from germany and i enjoy your content. but for me its really hard to understand whats actually going on. i think you do a good job in getting the different voices at the protest heard. I like to compare you guys to Channel 5 (which is a compliment but also maybe and unfairly high bar). i think what they are doing well is providing context. I feel, whats missing here is explaining what the treaty doing right now, who wants to change it how and why and what would be the consequences of those changes. without that context all i hear is that the treaty is good and the new bill is bad. but i dont get information to form my own opinion. Again, love your content, just thought id give my 2 cents. kind regards :)

[@michaelnewzealand1888]

don't expect too much.

[@Gutbucket55]

Hikoi was organised by Te Pati Maori ! No credibility 👎🏻

[@judioliver8082]

yes, they are the clowns to bring the attention to the cause. I have stood and tried to understand and support Maori my whole adult life. Now I find I am really, really happy to let the treaty go and just have equal rights now. I feel that's the right thing to do.

[@qqszad]

​@@judioliver8082 its called the bill of rights. you already have everything act is asking for. its trying to remove the protected status around moari land. act want to sell nature reserves to china and this bill is how they do it. but saying fuck moari i want money dont sell well so its all about framing it like " equal rights"

[@judioliver8082]

@@qqszad I don't know about all that. If we got on better we could stand together against that because obviously we don't agree with Maori losing their land. But we don't get on anymore so we can't stand with you and support you. So you're on your own because you want to be and now you're going to blame us for your choice about that as well.

[@vickidonaldson2224]

These people really have wandered right off the track and are lost in the bush.

[@Lenny-ue8hk]

Fun fact: according to international law, where translations of a treaty differ, the indigenous one and the one with the most signatures should be priorities. In both cases that is Te Tiriti o Waitangi, not the Pākehā version.

[@logicalanswer3529]

Neither of them were written by Māori. They literally did not know how to Write.

[@missbluerain]

Both the Maori version and then English version ceded governance to the crown and gave ALL New Zealanders equal rights and a responsibilities as British subjects.

[@k3630]

Not when they change the translation

[@Lenny-ue8hk]

@ whether they wrote it is irrelevant. Maybe the people translating it should have taken more than one night to do it.

[@ioijiopjkiopjkp]

They want to work together, but want to be separate. That's not working together.

[@Me-ui1zy]

You don't even understand what the treaty is yet you want to define what it should be. I think you should start there

[@ronnymcdonald2543]

@@Me-ui1zy We know exactly what The Treaty OF Waitangi is and no amount of yr bullshit is going to fool any of us Race Grifter.

[@hifi_]

can you not work together while recognizing and respecting each others differences and history?

[@tanepukenga1421]

How exactly is denying our right to refuse a change to our document "working together"? Is this like perpetual leases? Where you say "but you still have the land!" while requiring us to pay you for it to keep it - and not being allowed to use it ourselves?

[@ronnymcdonald2543]

@@tanepukenga1421 No-one is changing OUR document, the Principals were create by the Waitanga Tribunal radicals - IT IS NOT THE TREATY OF WAITANGI ! Yr ignorance is on full display Radical Racist.

[@ruslingmcgehan7137]

The bill isn't getting rid of the ToW of 1840, it is simply making clear and agreeing on the "Principles" of 1975. These principles are lose esoteric opportunity to make up BS claims specific to Maori that have happened as the worlds technology has grown. Due to decades of interbreeding there is no such pure culture of Maori with one voice, this is why you find Maori decendents in all of our political parties. No race has total concensus, we are all in the same waka

[@judioliver8082]

I'm all for getting rid of the treaty. Let Maori stand on their own since they hate us so much. Let them tell their children the truth about NZ history, or not, it's up to them. I'm quite pleased with equal rights for all of us. I think it's time.

[@andrewking9435]

Problem i see is that bill is band aid on waitangibtribunal and courts which is a band aid on the treaty. And now the bill triplicates the treaties 2 versions, and subsequent govts could simply change this bill. So its a mess

[@charleswalker2484]

"once they take away the treaty they can open up the whole country to exploitation" Can someone explain what this guy meant by this? will this law do that and if so how?

[@onryoki4451]

A whole lot of nonsense, most of them just worried they might lose all their handouts

[@monsieurdirte1714]

"Once they make everyone equal, we are no longer special".

[@charleswalker2484]

@@onryoki4451 Do you mean treaty settlements? will this bill in some way end 'handouts'? Isn't the point of it to legally define what the 'principles' of the treaty are? this is so pointlessly confusing.

[@onryoki4451]

@@charleswalker2484 Doesn't have to be any logic to it like I said they are only worried that they won't be different or special and receive whatever benefits that goes along with that, like I said all nonsense they are kicking up a giant fuss about nothing. uneducated fools.

[@Thepublisher-og3vd]

The bill try's to give equal rights to all but one problem about it is that it will cause exploitation from people in power because one of the rules stated in the treaty is the rule Māori have full authority over their land and resources, this means they are in control of when and when not or even if they make these lands and recourses available for sale, this also makes the land impossible to confiscate legally which means if the bill comes into play independent Chinese investors and rich foreigners have the right to buy land in New Zealand and keep it unoccupied for decades without leasing it or without going to the Māori land court to obtain an occupation order(LEGALY) until it hits sky high prices and they sell it to housing companies which causes housing crisis's because the housing companies are trying to make the most profit. The reason why this has not happened from the current principals is because Māori own land collectively as a tribe and is usually occupied by the tribe that owns it. Māori can't legally sell it unless everyone that owns the land agrees upon it, which is highly unlikely, this has made Māori land good for the housing industry in New Zealand because instead of the housing companies having to pay millions of dollars, they pay cheap because it is leased to them by the Māori who own the land but can't sell it. I do understand what David Seymour is trying to accomplish and I respect him for wanting equal rights for all, but he has to understand, the only thing holding us back from the future generation not being forced to move overseas to live because of unaffordability is the current Treaty principals.

[@thatfellafrazer]

The conversation in these comments is the most polite I’ve seen in the whole country on these issues.

[@deft3000]

they want to keep their status as a protected group, entitled to more taxpayer handouts than anyone else. this is a nice demonstration of how wanting more welfare money can be spun into a protest against tyranny, against racism, etc

[@rusureaboutthatorami]

What are the handouts?

[@tanepukenga1421]

What are these 'handouts' you're pretending exist? Is this like how all you fellas were lying and saying we get multiple votes when in fact, ours are restricted based on the race of our birth?

[@mikefrederickson9437]

Half those protesters are already on the benefit living off tax payers still want more

[@CrimsonSw1ft]

​@@rusureaboutthatoramiFinancial benefits, Government programs, Free legal-aid, free food programs, free schooling and Maori-ONLY schooling are a few

[@Arms26]

Ya big old white privilege racist.

[@harrycurrie9664]

Hikoi dikoi dok if only they knew what they've got.

[@tanepukenga1421]

Perpetual leases where the actual landowners have to pay the people who stole the land? A health authority that finally stopped leaving us to die in the tens of thousands, which Seymour and Luxon put a stop to so our health care never improves to the same rate as pakeha? How about you treat us as human beings and listen when we say "don't change our agreements against our will"?

[@Arms26]

Racist.

[@ranamcneil74]

Helen said foreshore Bill will give rights to all kiwis to the fish, as soon as the bill went through the small fisherman we're told quoters of fish apply, overseas countries got fishing rights and now we can't go fishing or whitebaiting without a permit. It was a resource grab, just like this is

[@judioliver8082]

Yes, they have tricked us so many times.

[@qqszad]

the very perfect example well put. this bill seeks to remove the treaty. every time i talk with people about this after pointing this out they always show there true feeling. its not about "equal rights for all" its just front for removing moari from having a voice

[@judioliver8082]

@@qqszad I don't agree. You have a voice. We want to hear what you like or don't like about David's proposal. Just plain and simple. Instead we get Willie Jackson attacking David and then the tepati's being violent and threatening him and this is all ok in parliament. It's not ok to me. I guess what it's shown me since I saw what happened in parliament is that we are really hated. Maori have no respect for us and that makes me incredibly sad. I"m being honest. Maori are obviouls unhappy with the treaty and we can't sort it out. Maori now are objecting to David's proposal but won't say why. I wonder if it's all just a game to them.

[@michaelnewzealand1888]

You are the first person to actually give a reason or an example in all the comments i have read. Thank you for that.

[@timkang3076]

Bringing tears to my eye, great reporting guys

[@ClaytonLuke]

Yes, I laughed my ass of too.

[@KaneBannanas]

3:00 Shawty thought she ate

[@thesearethefables]

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[@thefirm25]

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[@Annazapala1]

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[@SneedTechIndustries-gf5hn]

I understand their frustrations, but there is no actual articulation or a rebuttal of how the bill breaches the treaty. Obviously, you can't expect that from everyday people, you're supposed to find that at the higher levels of political debate. Good video either way.

[@Me-ui1zy]

There has been so many articulations of how this bill is an affront to the treaty. Academics, lawyers, judges, commentators, politicians, current and former, both sides of the aisle. Like, with respect, what are you on about? articulated rebuttals are literally everywhere. This whole thing is just David Seymour's power fantasy (Acting like 8% is 51%) on a 1 man crusade against our nations founding document. Its precisely why literally no other parties support it, and its going no where.

[@rhysrautjoki7207]

The Waitangi Tribunal, consisting of some of the top constitutional lawyers in Aotearos, agree with these people. The bill is a breach of the treaty. Your condescension is ridiculously ignorant.

[@mikebroughton9337]

@@rhysrautjoki7207 The Treaty lawyers say what ever the $$$$$ pays them to say and push .

[@rhysrautjoki7207]

@@mikebroughton9337 I know some of them personally. You are wrong. They are mainly motivated to do the right thing. I hope you can handle the truth rather than your delusional bs.

[@SneedTechIndustries-gf5hn]

@@rhysrautjoki7207 The treaty isn't a constitution. It was ruled not even a foundational document by the high court. The government has always had supreme law to clarify its principles which is what this bill does, and those principles don't violate the treaty given that the principles themselves already exist (government has supremacy and all NZers are subject to law).

[@k3630]

What does sovereignty actually look like specifically? So far it just seems to be a power wealth and resources grasp, plus many other special treatments and priviliges. The treaty certainly says nothing about co governance or partnership

[@damolux3388]

It would look like this. Maori would govern themselves and be exempt from NZ laws. But still use all infrastructure, funding and services from the NZ government. Basically your cake and eat it too situation. After a while they would fight between the tribes, like pre european arrival.

[@k3630]

@damolux3388 haha, yeh exactly their pipe dream

[@damolux3388]

@@k3630 sorry, they won't use all the infrastructure or services, namely the prisons!

[@timothyburrows8385]

Equal rights for all New Zealanders

[@jaymanilla289]

equal rights for Maori and english only, per treaty of waitangi. everyone else should not even be here.

[@MRMORGAN817]

Can you explain what rights you are referring to?

[@SaeedAlZaabi-y7g]

I LOVE NEW ZEALAND. I stayed there for almost a year and it was indeed one of the best years of my Life.. Language

[@graymcmic1419]

Bunch of clueless self-proclaimed victims

[@danielrastkar]

Great insights into the Hikoi and those in attendance. Thanks.

[@Monty-ib9bj]

In a world where people wear masks, it is a privilege to see souls✊🏼

[@judioliver8082]

hmm yes, not quite yet I would say. Maori are protesting very loudly because they're hiding important stuff from their people and trying to rewrite NZ history, so your' not really seeing authentic souls but the stripping away of pretenses. In the end we will all be equal and there will be no victims. I'ts awesome.

[@BurgerBoyda3rd]

The right to have more rights then everyone else

[@themighty222]

Nice, now need to do a video on the other side and see what they have to say

[@matt4198]

I agree, the "department of information" should be more neutral.

[@Plucktocks]

As a maori I agree

[@tanepukenga1421]

It's in the comments right here. You have racists saying Maori couldn't learn other technologies, that we're too stupid to understand law, that we don't know what we're doing or what we're opposing... it doesn't look good on their side for a reason.

[@CrimsonSw1ft]

​@@tanepukenga1421 Stop being a victim, it's got nothing to do with being Maori. It's the fact it took thousands of years to get to the point we're at in those subjects, and you're entitled enough (or stupid enough) to believe the Maori would create those subjects from nothing without a NEED for them. Think for a second, why would the Maori need to understand law or invent new technology? The Taiaha/Patu were made for function and worked perfectly, so why invent an alternative? If that's not the case, then explain to me why we have no North Sentinelese doctors, engineers or lawyers after 60,000 years of island isolation with no colonization? Or are the Maori just 'different' from them? Clown 🤡

[@CrimsonSw1ft]

​@@tanepukenga1421 Stop being a victim, it's got nothing to do with being Maori. It's the fact it took thousands of years to get to the point we're at in those subjects, and you're entitled enough (or stupid enough) to believe the Maori would create those subjects from nothing without a NEED for them. Think for a second, if not for colonization, why would Maori need to understand law, math or engineering? The Taiaha/Patu were made for function and worked perfectly, so why invent an alternative? If that's not the case, then explain to me why we have no North Sentinelese doctors, engineers or lawyers after 60,000 years of island isolation with no colonization? Or are the Maori just 'different' from every other person on this planet? Clown 🤡

[@101Puketui]

Levi did a great job of reporting.

[@koro287]

Sounds like gravy train brakes being applied to me.

[@aligeoff.27]

"What remains of the Treaty of Waitangi? What is there in the Treaty that the Maori can today celebrate whole-heartedly with you? Let me say one thing: Clause 1 of the Treaty handed over the mana and the sovereignty of New Zealand to Queen Victoria and her descendants forever, that is the outstanding fact today. That but for the shield of the sovereignty handed over to her majesty and her descendants I doubt whether there would be a free Maori race in New Zealand today…. I doubt whether any native race has been so well treated by a European people as the Maori of New Zealand" Sir Apirana Ngata, Maori academic, statesman and MP whose likeness appears on the NZ$50 note.

[@andrewking9435]

Good on this young youtuber for talking to people and find out whats going on. More than what msm is doing

[@heavenlydemon4k]

When did we as people begin trusting politicians words? Do we not strive for more as people or do we just do what daddy tells us now?

[@cj8172]

Interview Brian Tamaki.

[@himalayan8315]

Yes please, the fake bishop right 😂

[@judioliver8082]

oh not that guy. Creepy

[@TerryPalmer-d2l]

I heard one say they are indigenous, that's bullshit, they came here by boat as did most of our ancestors, difference being they slaughtered and ate the Moriori who were the indigenous people of new zealand

[@rusureaboutthatorami]

Who's they? And moriori also eastern Polynesians....

[@stewartlee8858]

agree with first half of your statment but the last half . you are being a dick

[@pnua]

Like it or not, they are right. This land is indigenous to Maori....you and my ancestors came to this land afterward, so technically, we are guests here. I know it hurts, but the truth usually does.....😢

[@Thomas-zl2hb]

Whatever you think Maori have done Brits have done far worse.

[@matt4198]

@@pnua That logic is terrible, since 1840 the Maori sold 91% of their land to the european

[@keithmac7596]

THE UNEMPLOYED DELUDED AS TO WHATS REAL

[@marielaufiso2611]

Better to be unemployed than determinedly ignorant & deluded in a white supremacist version of this nation's history

[@tanepukenga1421]

Another racist showing what type of person supports Seymour and ACT

[@granabiss_]

Blame your chiefs for signing the teriti... I law for all.... Why do we have the queen on our money?

[@antjetautkus5506]

Unity 🤝 2024 ✌️

[@judioliver8082]

separate and equal and at peace with it/

[@bighoose]

This is quite possibly the most beautiful video I've seen in a long time, seeing the people of Aotearoa coming together to fight for whats right brings tears to my eyes, no longer will we go back to the dark old days of racism against our indigenous Maori, people of all races and backgrounds band together for one another, this is the spirit of te Tiriti! Toitu te Tiriti!

[@judioliver8082]

No we'll never go back there again. Equal rights for all. Let Maori sort out their own business and right their own wrongs. Nothing much will change for us as we never saw them as victims anyhow. I hope they get their money back but that's up to them.

[@User2024-dx6eh]

Beautiful people! Long live Maori, protecting their nation, land & environment from colonialist. Blessings 🙏🏻♥️

[@judioliver8082]

Please read your history. I'll give you a clue. Waitaha. Time for equality and that means getting back to the true history of NZ.

[@ClaytonLuke]

Oh dear. Sorry to break it to you, but colonization is something that already happened. A long time ago. The "colonialists", the people who did the colonizing are long dead. The people you are calling "colonists" now are their descendants who inherited history. At lot of them are also decedents of the Maori, who were colonized. When you say it's "their" Nation, who are you talking about? My Grandmother was Maori. Am I a colonialist, or is it "my" Nation? Do I have to leave, if the people who you imagine are the "real" Maori (the pissed off ones who try to look like what they imagine Maori looked like 200 years ago, as if Maori culture has gone nowhere for 200 years) decide they want their Nation to themselves? Your, bumper-sticker, simplistic thinking with no conception of real world consequences, is not worth uttering.

[@kiwi_welltraveled4375]

One of the many unique qualities of Māori was their ability to confront and withstand a colonial power. Their resistance was so significant that the Crown chose the easier path of signing a treaty over the considerable expense of military conquest. It is crucial to recognize that the Treaty of Waitangi stands as a legally binding contract, enforceable in the courts. There is no statute of limitations for the Treaty nor can Māori be held responsible for the delays and inaction in pursuing a legal settlement. Furthermore, Māori are rightfully using the Crown's own legal framework to seek justice for historical breaches of the contract. It is not for any government to interpret the meaning of the treaty, that is the sole jurisdiction of the courts, as with any contract. Their long quest for fairness and justice through the judicial and political systems is not only legitimate but critical for Aotearoa, New Zealand to move forward.

[@jamesedwards.1069]

The Maori have never apologized for all the other indigenous peoples they ate. Those people can't complain because they've been eaten.

[@judioliver8082]

Yeah/Nah. Treaty is done with Now we have equality at long last and along with that we also have the true history of Nz. I hope the new bill passes and we're freed from this huge set of lies. Just lies and lies and lies that have bound up all New Zealanders. We want our true history. I hope Maori can get their money back from their crooked leaders too. I really do.

[@kiwi_welltraveled4375]

@@judioliver8082 In our system of governance it is the courts that determine truth from fiction. If, as you believe, there is a conspiracy of lies, lies and more lies regarding the treaty and the history of New Zealand. They should be publicly presented to the courts who will make a determination on credibility. Thankfully, the Facebook court of public opinion has no legal standing in Aotearoa, New Zealand.

[@ClaytonLuke]

Nice try, but flawed. As a contract between two parties, the Treaty is a contract between two (or more) sovereign entities. The jurisdiction to settle a subsequent dispute WOULD lie with the international courts, if it were not for the inconvenient fact, that in signing the treaty one side of those sovereign entities ceased to exist, which was the exact import of the treaty. The Courts interpret the law. But the status of the treaty as part of New Zealand law, is entirely the question. It is not given that a Treaty becomes the law of an entity that signs it. That's not the way treaties work. It is extremely common that modern treaties need to be ratified into law where that is necessary. In this case it was not necessary. In a Parliamentary democracy system, Parliament is the ultimate determiner of what is and is not law, and what that law is. The Courts interpret law, they do not create law or decide what is or is not law. If the Courts misstep, in the eyes of Parliament, it is entirely within the jurisdiction of Parliament to correct them. Maori are either subject to the Crown, Parliamentary democracy, or they are not. If they feel they are not, when Parliament decides they are, then they always have their appeal to the international Courts. I agree with your first sentence, my forefathers were smart and tenacious. They knew the deal, and it was a good one. Some of their children want to have their cake and eat it too. That doesn't work.

[@judioliver8082]

@@kiwi_welltraveled4375 we've had that kind of avoiding the issue kind of answer for two hundred years and it hasn't resolved the problem. The problem needs to be addressed. Many of us are sick of the lies being told about NZ history. Maori want to rule themselves and I say let them go and do it. Maori clearly absolutely destest us as demonstrated by te pati last week in parliament and how do we get past that show of no respect and hatred, Actually threatening a member of parliament. This bubble has burst and it's been brewing a very long time. Too late for the courts. I have never fought Maori. Obviously they want rid of us. Let them go. Let them have their own little kingdom. I want nothing to do with it. I won't fight them. I am equal.

[@sklinsklansky3113]

Kia kaha, whanau❤

[@jamesdirect]

Beautiful content and production

[@MrAhuapai]

The ACT party are just posturing to their base . Its a feature of modern politics . The Māori Paati are also partly guilty of that as well . The Bill will be shot down . Unfortunately as a nation we aren't mature enough to discuss the Treaty and the complexity of its legal ramifications that can bring all of its citizens along together.

[@judioliver8082]

I'm all for equal rights and getting rid of the treaty. Let Maori have what they want and that way we get what we want too. I hope the bill goes through. As to Te Pati well, I suppose they have a function as clowns. We can all agree on that.

[@michaelnewzealand1888]

Every 5th car that is against us are full of hate, every 5th car that is for us are full or aroha. What about the other 3 cars? Lol.

[@messenger6859]

Colonisation is fairly new is that why theirs more than 3 generation of Maori mixed with pakeha & pacific ilanders indians Asians etc etc this is just a mob causing trouble that they cant even handle Your Own Maori People Will Deal With You & The Rest Of Us Non Maori Mew Zealanders Will Support & Respect Their Genuine Maori Heritage In How They Inbrace & Fight To Protect All New Zealanders As One Thank You Much Gratitude & Alofa⚛️☯️♾️🫀

[@DanielleA2023]

Fighting our right wing Govt of 🪱 and dont forget: in New Zealand it's always been and is today our Wahine (women) Leading The Way

[@kingpanamanian1041]

If New Zealand governments can allow some pacific islands to self govern themselves together with them, then the same shall apply to Maori, to self govern themselves in Aotearoa? 2024 and nz governments still haven't figured out how to fix and run our country righteously.

[@shonteltukere7702]

that bro at the start is correct

[@omitling]

Guy williams sighting is crazy

[@BurgerBoyda3rd]

Read the bill!

[@MrAhvids]

Proud of you boys for doing this aye. Been a fan from near the start

[@66patc]

the veil of forgetfulness has been lifted paakehaa

[@judioliver8082]

let's hope the veil of blindness has been lifted off Maori too as to where has their money gone and why do they teach their children not to respect their Waitaha ancestors ? But hey, that is their business now. All equal ey.

[@mrb5760]

Lets get this bill passed. No more handout kids.

[@pauljackways1473]

are you going to interview the other side, or do you lack journalistic integrity?

[@shakirar11]

These comments below are amazingly ignorant, how can you think Maori had special treatment, when a whole language of Te Reo was squashed and nearly lost, because it was forbidden to speak it, by Pakeha, and traditions were also being shut down, Maori had owned so much land, that they didn't think, that the people coming in to Aotearoa would steal it, even under the treaty, Even the lands of the Maori battalion soldiers , were stolen, whilst they were fighting for this country. Since none of you bothered to educate yourselves on the truth of the Treaty. As the saying around the world is: White Privilege is more of a reality then Maori Privilege. I am sure you have nothing to say on that.

[@judioliver8082]

Hey it's equal rights now. Stop with the Maori victim thing please. No more of that kind of talk. We can't hear you after you showed us how much you hate us the other day.

[@ClaytonLuke]

"a whole language of Te Reo was squashed and nearly lost, because it was forbidden to speak it, by Pakeha" Te Reo was lost, but not because it was "squashed" or "forbidden to speak it". There has never been a law making it a crime to speak Te Reo. Often people refer to missionaries who ran English schools (for the benefit of Maori children) forbidding and punishing children for speaking Te Reo IN SCHOOL. This is probably true. What on earth would you expect!? If a school is teaching English, why on earth would the school want its students speaking Te Reo at school? Maori DIDN'T HAVE THE KNOWLEDGE those schools gave their students, which is why they sent their children to them. Te Reo was an entirely predictable casualty of colonization by an overwhelming number of English speaking people. When you have a majority of people speaking English in their everyday lives and conducting business and relationships in that language, then people will invest in the language that is of the greatest benefit to them. Bi-language systems ARE possible, but that requires a substantial investment; firstly by the Government to do everything twice, and secondly by people to learn two languages instead of one. EVEN Maori ultimately chose mostly to learn just the one language, and as for the Government, neither the will nor the resources were there. Yes, yes, yes, yes, colonization comes at great cost, things die. But, this whole debate, on the Hikoi side, IGNORES what was gained AND the entire reason the Maori chiefs, in there wisdom, signed the Treaty in the first place. For goodness sake, look at the stagnation that has befallen other Pacific indigenous culture that were deemed not worthwhile to colonize. You want the benefits of colonization, but none of the costs. Life, and history, does not work that way. Sorry.

[@andrewking9435]

Maori wanted to learn english to participate in society, it was encouraged by elders

[@andrewking9435]

All this is in the past Why should current kiwis be mislabelled colonizers when we were born here and not responsible for history

[@hegyeske1]

Can anyone explain what the bill does exactly??

[@tanepukenga1421]

It removes the right for ANY kiwi to challenge the government in court, like the Alice Lake survivors. It disallows Maori from taking any further treaty breaches to court. It empowers the government with the ability to start land confiscations again. Because it's so vaguely worded, it allows for a lot and can be used to disallow even more. The simple words "full power" are very, very dangerous and we've seen how they were used before.

[@QuickStessi]

The bill pretty much says that everyone has equal rights regardless of race. It also makes sure that the treaty settlement process is protected and is separate from the bill.

[@Romit12]

@@QuickStessi Equal rights bad

[@TonyBro-t7q]

Walk for the Dole day ??

[@marielaufiso2611]

There are more than unemployed marching - Your lazy dismissiveness of Māori and all those who support them shows in my opinion your lack of any coherent argument and knowledge of the issues. And IF people are unemployed, structural analysis of the last 40 years of neoliberalism (Rogernomics, Ruthanasia et cetera) shows that "the system" operates on having some 4-10% of the working population unemployed.

[@tanepukenga1421]

Another racist showing what kind of person supports Seymour and ACT.

[@jaymanilla289]

equal rights for maori and english only. not half of the world

[@fourk4karst161]

PROUD TO BE MĀORI

[@blairdoe6764]

Join the purely socioeconomic factors are at it again for a look at ya average modern maori

[@EastSide-k1m]

Whats that last guy on about explaing his life story

[@Juukapuu]

There taking maori rights away and banned moari language

[@itsyunggrave]

It's not a revolution, It's a evolution was the most profound thing said here

[@andrewking9435]

Interesting that self determination and libertarinism are aligned. But you can have both; ceding soverenty with small govt and maximum freedom

[@markball406]

Our country is called New Zealand.

[@deft3000]

That's Pakeha colonial language!

[@NZsarge1]

@@deft3000. No, in 1642 Dutch explorer Abel Tasman was the first European to discover New Zealand, calling it Staten Land. In 1645, Dutch cartographers renamed the land Nova Zeelandia after the Dutch province of Zeeland. British explorer James Cook subsequently anglicized the name to New Zealand.

[@deft3000]

@@NZsarge1 Anglicised or not, it is pakeha lexicon. Does not originate from natives.

[@NZsarge1]

@ it English lexicon

[@skylarkaljaha2918]

​@@deft3000 In the pre-European era, Māori did not have a collective name for the two islands. Aotearoa was originally used by Māori in reference only to the North Island. Also the concept of a Māori nation/people is a european invention. Also the word Maori to descibe a native of New Zealand is a european invention. Before europeans arived each person belonged to a iwi/tribe not a entire race/people/nation. Now known as Māori, these tribes did not identify themselves by a collective name until the arrival of Europeans when, to mark their distinctiveness the name Māori, meaning ‘ordinary’, came into use.